Personally, I think it would be freaking amazing if COVID finally undid China. The great Silk Curtain lifting because of a virus manufactured with US money in a lab in Wuhan? Poetry.
Jason Highley
1 year ago
Personally, I think it would be freaking amazing if COVID finally undid China. The great Silk Curtain lifting because of a virus manufactured with US money in a lab in Wuhan? Poetry.
Geoffrey Hicking
1 year ago
I think it’s time we felt more positive about ourselves.
Our leaders unlocked [almost] as soon as the vaccine reached a majority of the vulnerable, and said vaccines were made by us, the Americans, and Indians and goodness knows who else. The vaccines worked, and the death-toll from COVID is low enough that we can now turn to the cost of lockdown and its victims.
China, by contrast is still locking down. You want a decadent and authoritarian regime constantly looking for excuses to keep its population under wraps? Look East.
I understand that there are MANY legitimate concerns with lockdown and how the West is governed, but let’s have a little confidence in ourselves. Russia is bogged down in a war with vast quantities of hardware destroyed, partly because of our weaponry and intelligence. China is undergoing the very dystopian nightmare people were warning we would face.
I think we’re doing a bit better than them at times.
I have a suspicion that this is more designed to create a war mindset for Taiwan… How to heighten preparedness for an invasion… I don’t think domestic lockdown over covid is the real end game. Military planning & control using covid, internal first then external with regards to that island.
Agreed. I’m pretty grateful that I was born in the west, and particularly in the U.K. But unfortunately we feed on hysteria and seem to demand catastrophism these days.
“Our leaders unlocked [almost] as soon as the vaccine reached a majority of the vulnerable”
I don’t know where you are, but our dear leaders in the UK did not. We got out pretty much thanks to party gate, otherwise…
In addition, I am in Scotland and if our Great Leader had her on way, we would be China 2.0.
So, no… We don’t live in China, but it doesn’t mean that what happened here was right or lasted only the necessary amount of time.
And even where there are no longer any official lockdowns, school closures and face covering and/or Wuhan flu shot requirements, to this day we see the tyranny of public opinion, “a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself.” (John Stuart Mill, On Liberty)
Which among other undesirable outcomes continues to render impossible an honest assessment of the rationale for those tyrannical “safety” measures.
For example the author of this piece blithely repeats the obviously absurd figure of the “one million officially registered fatalities from coronavirus” in the US.
And even where there are no longer any official lockdowns, school closures and face covering and/or Wuhan flu shot requirements, to this day we see the tyranny of public opinion, “a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself.” (John Stuart Mill, On Liberty)
Which among other undesirable outcomes continues to render impossible an honest assessment of the rationale for those tyrannical “safety” measures.
For example the author of this piece blithely repeats the obviously absurd figure of the “one million officially registered fatalities from coronavirus” in the US.
If the Covid shots “worked”, why are people who got them still getting sick and spreading the thing? Why haven’t I, unvaxxed, gotten it? Why are young men afflicted with vax- caused myocarditis, and why are so many healthy people dropping dead “unexpectedly”? Depends on what the meaning of the word “worked” is.
why are people who got them still getting sick and spreading the thing?
Because vaccination *reduces* the risk of hospitalisation and death (maybe by 80%, depends on strain, age group and boosters), but does not *eliminate* it, nor prevent you from getting sick at all. COVID vaccines help a lot but they are not as good as they are against some other diseases
Why haven’t I, unvaxxed, gotten it?
Because you have been lucky.
Why are young men afflicted with vax- caused myocarditis,
Becasuse that is one, rare side effect of the vaccine. COVID causes that kind of effect too, and is a lot more dangerous than vaccination. And people sometimes, rarely , just drop dead with neither COVID nor vaccination.
and why are so many healthy people dropping dead “unexpectedly”?
Because a few people do that, and if you are trying hard enough to make out that it is caused by COVID vaccination you can always find something to hang you hat on.
There are studies that show that the mRNA vaccines cause myocarditis in young men more often than in the general population. Some deaths have also been attributed to vaccine-induced myocarditis, though they are rare.
On the other hand, studies have shown that Covid-19 infections do not increase the risk of myocarditis in young men.
I am not sure. One random reference (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35264415/) gives the risk of myocarditis among vaccinated young men as 12.2 per 10000. It quotes the risk of myocarditis among COVID patients of all ages and sexes as 0.01%, which is 10 per 10000, i.e.roughly the same. But yes, myocarditis is well established as a complication of vaccination in young men, and it may well be that you are right. But then, all drugs and vaccines have side effects. The question is always whether the risk of side effects is better than the risks of getting the disease.
For young men, obviously the risk for myocarditis is greater than that for Covid. Vaccines should be only for the very elderly and those with very compromised immune systems (if they so choose).
For young men, obviously the risk for myocarditis is greater than that for Covid. Vaccines should be only for the very elderly and those with very compromised immune systems (if they so choose).
I am not sure. One random reference (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35264415/) gives the risk of myocarditis among vaccinated young men as 12.2 per 10000. It quotes the risk of myocarditis among COVID patients of all ages and sexes as 0.01%, which is 10 per 10000, i.e.roughly the same. But yes, myocarditis is well established as a complication of vaccination in young men, and it may well be that you are right. But then, all drugs and vaccines have side effects. The question is always whether the risk of side effects is better than the risks of getting the disease.
There are studies that show that the mRNA vaccines cause myocarditis in young men more often than in the general population. Some deaths have also been attributed to vaccine-induced myocarditis, though they are rare.
On the other hand, studies have shown that Covid-19 infections do not increase the risk of myocarditis in young men.
why are people who got them still getting sick and spreading the thing?
Because vaccination *reduces* the risk of hospitalisation and death (maybe by 80%, depends on strain, age group and boosters), but does not *eliminate* it, nor prevent you from getting sick at all. COVID vaccines help a lot but they are not as good as they are against some other diseases
Why haven’t I, unvaxxed, gotten it?
Because you have been lucky.
Why are young men afflicted with vax- caused myocarditis,
Becasuse that is one, rare side effect of the vaccine. COVID causes that kind of effect too, and is a lot more dangerous than vaccination. And people sometimes, rarely , just drop dead with neither COVID nor vaccination.
and why are so many healthy people dropping dead “unexpectedly”?
Because a few people do that, and if you are trying hard enough to make out that it is caused by COVID vaccination you can always find something to hang you hat on.
I have a suspicion that this is more designed to create a war mindset for Taiwan… How to heighten preparedness for an invasion… I don’t think domestic lockdown over covid is the real end game. Military planning & control using covid, internal first then external with regards to that island.
Agreed. I’m pretty grateful that I was born in the west, and particularly in the U.K. But unfortunately we feed on hysteria and seem to demand catastrophism these days.
“Our leaders unlocked [almost] as soon as the vaccine reached a majority of the vulnerable”
I don’t know where you are, but our dear leaders in the UK did not. We got out pretty much thanks to party gate, otherwise…
In addition, I am in Scotland and if our Great Leader had her on way, we would be China 2.0.
So, no… We don’t live in China, but it doesn’t mean that what happened here was right or lasted only the necessary amount of time.
If the Covid shots “worked”, why are people who got them still getting sick and spreading the thing? Why haven’t I, unvaxxed, gotten it? Why are young men afflicted with vax- caused myocarditis, and why are so many healthy people dropping dead “unexpectedly”? Depends on what the meaning of the word “worked” is.
Geoffrey Hicking
1 year ago
I think it’s time we felt more positive about ourselves.
Our leaders unlocked [almost] as soon as the vaccine reached a majority of the vulnerable, and said vaccines were made by us, the Americans, and Indians and goodness knows who else. The vaccines worked, and the death-toll from COVID is low enough that we can now turn to the cost of lockdown and its victims.
China, by contrast is still locking down. You want a decadent and authoritarian regime constantly looking for excuses to keep its population under wraps? Look East.
I understand that there are MANY legitimate concerns with lockdown and how the West is governed, but let’s have a little confidence in ourselves. Russia is bogged down in a war with vast quantities of hardware destroyed, partly because of our weaponry and intelligence. China is undergoing the very dystopian nightmare people were warning we would face.
I think we’re doing a bit better than them at times.
Personally, I think it would be freaking amazing if COVID finally undid China. The great Silk Curtain lifting because of a virus manufactured with US money in a lab in Wuhan? Poetry.
Personally, I think it would be freaking amazing if COVID finally undid China. The great Silk Curtain lifting because of a virus manufactured with US money in a lab in Wuhan? Poetry.
I think it’s time we felt more positive about ourselves.
Our leaders unlocked [almost] as soon as the vaccine reached a majority of the vulnerable, and said vaccines were made by us, the Americans, and Indians and goodness knows who else. The vaccines worked, and the death-toll from COVID is low enough that we can now turn to the cost of lockdown and its victims.
China, by contrast is still locking down. You want a decadent and authoritarian regime constantly looking for excuses to keep its population under wraps? Look East.
I understand that there are MANY legitimate concerns with lockdown and how the West is governed, but let’s have a little confidence in ourselves. Russia is bogged down in a war with vast quantities of hardware destroyed, partly because of our weaponry and intelligence. China is undergoing the very dystopian nightmare people were warning we would face.
I think we’re doing a bit better than them at times.
I have a suspicion that this is more designed to create a war mindset for Taiwan… How to heighten preparedness for an invasion… I don’t think domestic lockdown over covid is the real end game. Military planning & control using covid, internal first then external with regards to that island.
Agreed. I’m pretty grateful that I was born in the west, and particularly in the U.K. But unfortunately we feed on hysteria and seem to demand catastrophism these days.
“Our leaders unlocked [almost] as soon as the vaccine reached a majority of the vulnerable”
I don’t know where you are, but our dear leaders in the UK did not. We got out pretty much thanks to party gate, otherwise…
In addition, I am in Scotland and if our Great Leader had her on way, we would be China 2.0.
So, no… We don’t live in China, but it doesn’t mean that what happened here was right or lasted only the necessary amount of time.
Indeed.
And even where there are no longer any official lockdowns, school closures and face covering and/or Wuhan flu shot requirements, to this day we see the tyranny of public opinion, “a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself.” (John Stuart Mill, On Liberty)
Which among other undesirable outcomes continues to render impossible an honest assessment of the rationale for those tyrannical “safety” measures.
For example the author of this piece blithely repeats the obviously absurd figure of the “one million officially registered fatalities from coronavirus” in the US.
Indeed.
And even where there are no longer any official lockdowns, school closures and face covering and/or Wuhan flu shot requirements, to this day we see the tyranny of public opinion, “a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself.” (John Stuart Mill, On Liberty)
Which among other undesirable outcomes continues to render impossible an honest assessment of the rationale for those tyrannical “safety” measures.
For example the author of this piece blithely repeats the obviously absurd figure of the “one million officially registered fatalities from coronavirus” in the US.
If the Covid shots “worked”, why are people who got them still getting sick and spreading the thing? Why haven’t I, unvaxxed, gotten it? Why are young men afflicted with vax- caused myocarditis, and why are so many healthy people dropping dead “unexpectedly”? Depends on what the meaning of the word “worked” is.
Because vaccination *reduces* the risk of hospitalisation and death (maybe by 80%, depends on strain, age group and boosters), but does not *eliminate* it, nor prevent you from getting sick at all. COVID vaccines help a lot but they are not as good as they are against some other diseases
Because you have been lucky.
Becasuse that is one, rare side effect of the vaccine. COVID causes that kind of effect too, and is a lot more dangerous than vaccination. And people sometimes, rarely , just drop dead with neither COVID nor vaccination.
Because a few people do that, and if you are trying hard enough to make out that it is caused by COVID vaccination you can always find something to hang you hat on.
But surely you knew all that already?
There are studies that show that the mRNA vaccines cause myocarditis in young men more often than in the general population. Some deaths have also been attributed to vaccine-induced myocarditis, though they are rare.
On the other hand, studies have shown that Covid-19 infections do not increase the risk of myocarditis in young men.
I am not sure. One random reference (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35264415/) gives the risk of myocarditis among vaccinated young men as 12.2 per 10000. It quotes the risk of myocarditis among COVID patients of all ages and sexes as 0.01%, which is 10 per 10000, i.e.roughly the same. But yes, myocarditis is well established as a complication of vaccination in young men, and it may well be that you are right. But then, all drugs and vaccines have side effects. The question is always whether the risk of side effects is better than the risks of getting the disease.
For young men, obviously the risk for myocarditis is greater than that for Covid. Vaccines should be only for the very elderly and those with very compromised immune systems (if they so choose).
Could be – but why ‘obviously’? Where do you get your data from? Got a reference?
Could be – but why ‘obviously’? Where do you get your data from? Got a reference?
For young men, obviously the risk for myocarditis is greater than that for Covid. Vaccines should be only for the very elderly and those with very compromised immune systems (if they so choose).
I am not sure. One random reference (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35264415/) gives the risk of myocarditis among vaccinated young men as 12.2 per 10000. It quotes the risk of myocarditis among COVID patients of all ages and sexes as 0.01%, which is 10 per 10000, i.e.roughly the same. But yes, myocarditis is well established as a complication of vaccination in young men, and it may well be that you are right. But then, all drugs and vaccines have side effects. The question is always whether the risk of side effects is better than the risks of getting the disease.
There are studies that show that the mRNA vaccines cause myocarditis in young men more often than in the general population. Some deaths have also been attributed to vaccine-induced myocarditis, though they are rare.
On the other hand, studies have shown that Covid-19 infections do not increase the risk of myocarditis in young men.
Because vaccination *reduces* the risk of hospitalisation and death (maybe by 80%, depends on strain, age group and boosters), but does not *eliminate* it, nor prevent you from getting sick at all. COVID vaccines help a lot but they are not as good as they are against some other diseases
Because you have been lucky.
Becasuse that is one, rare side effect of the vaccine. COVID causes that kind of effect too, and is a lot more dangerous than vaccination. And people sometimes, rarely , just drop dead with neither COVID nor vaccination.
Because a few people do that, and if you are trying hard enough to make out that it is caused by COVID vaccination you can always find something to hang you hat on.
But surely you knew all that already?
I have a suspicion that this is more designed to create a war mindset for Taiwan… How to heighten preparedness for an invasion… I don’t think domestic lockdown over covid is the real end game. Military planning & control using covid, internal first then external with regards to that island.
Agreed. I’m pretty grateful that I was born in the west, and particularly in the U.K. But unfortunately we feed on hysteria and seem to demand catastrophism these days.
“Our leaders unlocked [almost] as soon as the vaccine reached a majority of the vulnerable”
I don’t know where you are, but our dear leaders in the UK did not. We got out pretty much thanks to party gate, otherwise…
In addition, I am in Scotland and if our Great Leader had her on way, we would be China 2.0.
So, no… We don’t live in China, but it doesn’t mean that what happened here was right or lasted only the necessary amount of time.
If the Covid shots “worked”, why are people who got them still getting sick and spreading the thing? Why haven’t I, unvaxxed, gotten it? Why are young men afflicted with vax- caused myocarditis, and why are so many healthy people dropping dead “unexpectedly”? Depends on what the meaning of the word “worked” is.
I think it’s time we felt more positive about ourselves.
Our leaders unlocked [almost] as soon as the vaccine reached a majority of the vulnerable, and said vaccines were made by us, the Americans, and Indians and goodness knows who else. The vaccines worked, and the death-toll from COVID is low enough that we can now turn to the cost of lockdown and its victims.
China, by contrast is still locking down. You want a decadent and authoritarian regime constantly looking for excuses to keep its population under wraps? Look East.
I understand that there are MANY legitimate concerns with lockdown and how the West is governed, but let’s have a little confidence in ourselves. Russia is bogged down in a war with vast quantities of hardware destroyed, partly because of our weaponry and intelligence. China is undergoing the very dystopian nightmare people were warning we would face.
I think we’re doing a bit better than them at times.