Worse still, the U.K. Greens seem incapable of ditching their historical “anti-nuclear energy” stance – while also preaching to others about carbon-related climate issues.
Its hardly surprising that they are not taken seriously.
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Prashant Kotak
2 years ago
That Hallam quote, “..Yes, I don’t agree with your culture. But I agree with the moral imperative..“, in fact is an illustration of the disconnect between the two mindsets. Social conservatives don’t think that way, they are much more likely to think the XR and Greens people are in fact, bonkers, and are therefore not going to engage with climate change arguments on terms set by the XR and Green movements. For example, XR and Green types are more often than not also a modern variety of luddites – anti-technology at various levels (without any true understanding of the nature of technology) and will therefore not countenance technological solutions – they would much prefer a hair shirt for humanity instead. And this is the point – it takes all of five seconds of arguments with them to see that XR and Green types come with a ton of political baggage beyond the climate change arguments, they are militants, and although social conservatives are the antithesis of that, they are as subject as everyone else to obduracy at a human level when insulted on a regular basis.
That’s the problem with anything on the left. You have to sign up to it all. I joined the protests over student fees because I felt strongly about them. On either side of me were utter lunatics chanting and holding signs about totally irrelevant issues that I vehemently disagreed with them over.
Hallam is a polite fellow with a Tim-Nice-but-dim demeanour.
He ran a failed 10-acre organic hobby farm for a few years which he says was ruined by climate change , causing 25 people to lose their jobs. I don’t know of any farms anywhere supporting 2.5 people to the acre plus owners, but the courts and the BBC evidently think the guy’s story is credible so who am I to judge?
He claims it gave him “frontline peasant” experience , no doubt enhanced by the several years he spent studying Civil Disobedience at that famous institution for distressed former frontline peasantfolk, KCL.
Only place I know where 2.5 people can survive farming an acre of land is subsistence Africa – and that entails living in a mud hut with no mod cons, not paying taxes, and not sending your children to school. So I agree with you – can’t see how that can remotely work.
I’ve said it many times, if the Green Party were truly green they’d support the concept of borders, they’d be concerned about mass migration and population growth, they’d be anti globalisation, anti technocracy. They’d be pro Brexit because of the damage wrought by EU lorries using the UK as a shortcut but not paying for damage to our roads, congestion or pollution, not to mention its propensity for neoliberalism and centralisation that does not pay enough attention to local issues. They’d be pro self-sufficiency, anti plastic packaging, wokeness would be a distraction from real issues. These things would be the concern of the Greens. It proves to me the Greens aren’t green, they’re watermelons.
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Brendan O'Leary
2 years ago
The environment regularly features as a top three priority for British adults
Heh.
It was regularly a very distant fourth in the YouGov poll you linked, until Brexit dropped right down as a concern. Now it’s a distant third, way behind Health and The Economy. It’s lifted its head feebly in the last couple of months , coincidentally aligning with the incessant drumbeat from the media promoting the FIFO (fly in – fly out) COP “Zoom is for the little people” 26 gabfest
Did you think nobody would bother following the link?
The environment is very important. But environmental protection isn’t just about grand things like climate change and Great Resets, It’s about roads and congestion and fields being dug up to build identikit toy town housing estates that don’t even include grey water recycling or solar panels. It’s about not seeing hedgehogs or butterflies, about water companies polluting our water ways. Rubbish not being collected or recycled, flytippers getting away with murder. Acres of plastic packaging on everything. Seasonal local farm produce not strawberries in December shipped here from Africa or Spain. Local not global. Conservation is conservative. Climate change and one world government is something else.
Tamsin’s wiki entry makes interesting reading. The author managed not to use ANY pronoun that I could see, meaning that the text is a never-ending list of “Tamsin this” and “Tamsin that”, a bit like a 5 year old would write.
One thing for sure, transgender ideology doesn’t produce good literature.
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Paula Williams
2 years ago
the party has been warning about a looming climate crisis, the results of which are now grimly playing out. No, they aren’t. Only the untrustworthy, politically corrupted climate ‘science’ profession says they are.
Christopher Barclay
2 years ago
No surprise. For years the Greens have supported the EU while refusing to explain how the environment benefits from transporting goods across Europe or between the UK and EU by boat.
The Labour Party is a more difficult asylum for the lunatics to take over, so they have turned to the Green Party.
Joe Holder
2 years ago
Hopefully Shahrar Ali will win the election, I’ll be voting for him.
Chris Milburn
2 years ago
The Canadian national GP is likewise fragmenting over woke issues around colour, indigeneity, etc. It is a sad remnant of a party that used to be libertarian and welcoming.
Julia H
2 years ago
All political parties, everywhere, rely on being perceived as trustworthy by the electorate. If a party chooses a leader who asks the electorate to believe something that seems impossible to them, i.e. that a person can define their own sex, and also asks people to change their natural language to accommodate that individual’s vanity (“they”, “them” instead of him or her) on pain of being punished if they can’t manage this, then they will consign themselves to oblivion, as people simply won’t buy into the fantasy.
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Andrew Fisher
2 years ago
If the world, or at least the world in which humankind has lived for thousands of years, is indeed about to come to an end, as the eco warriors supposedly believe, this surely is the ultimate example of fiddling while Rome burns.
The Greens have become in the UK an absurd fringe movement with little practical interest even in their supposedly key issue.
I suppose parties often go their own rather bizarre ways for all sorts of contingent historical reasons. The original Social Democrats were Marxists and the Liberals in Australia resemble more closely a Conservative Party (or at least that used to be the case). The German Greens do seem to be a far more serious political outfit than ours, with some interest in power.
Worse still, the U.K. Greens seem incapable of ditching their historical “anti-nuclear energy” stance – while also preaching to others about carbon-related climate issues.
Its hardly surprising that they are not taken seriously.
That Hallam quote, “..Yes, I don’t agree with your culture. But I agree with the moral imperative..“, in fact is an illustration of the disconnect between the two mindsets. Social conservatives don’t think that way, they are much more likely to think the XR and Greens people are in fact, bonkers, and are therefore not going to engage with climate change arguments on terms set by the XR and Green movements. For example, XR and Green types are more often than not also a modern variety of luddites – anti-technology at various levels (without any true understanding of the nature of technology) and will therefore not countenance technological solutions – they would much prefer a hair shirt for humanity instead. And this is the point – it takes all of five seconds of arguments with them to see that XR and Green types come with a ton of political baggage beyond the climate change arguments, they are militants, and although social conservatives are the antithesis of that, they are as subject as everyone else to obduracy at a human level when insulted on a regular basis.
That’s the problem with anything on the left. You have to sign up to it all. I joined the protests over student fees because I felt strongly about them. On either side of me were utter lunatics chanting and holding signs about totally irrelevant issues that I vehemently disagreed with them over.
Hallam is a polite fellow with a Tim-Nice-but-dim demeanour.
He ran a failed 10-acre organic hobby farm for a few years which he says was ruined by climate change , causing 25 people to lose their jobs. I don’t know of any farms anywhere supporting 2.5 people to the acre plus owners, but the courts and the BBC evidently think the guy’s story is credible so who am I to judge?
He claims it gave him “frontline peasant” experience , no doubt enhanced by the several years he spent studying Civil Disobedience at that famous institution for distressed former frontline peasantfolk, KCL.
Only place I know where 2.5 people can survive farming an acre of land is subsistence Africa – and that entails living in a mud hut with no mod cons, not paying taxes, and not sending your children to school. So I agree with you – can’t see how that can remotely work.
Watermelons.
I’ve said it many times, if the Green Party were truly green they’d support the concept of borders, they’d be concerned about mass migration and population growth, they’d be anti globalisation, anti technocracy. They’d be pro Brexit because of the damage wrought by EU lorries using the UK as a shortcut but not paying for damage to our roads, congestion or pollution, not to mention its propensity for neoliberalism and centralisation that does not pay enough attention to local issues. They’d be pro self-sufficiency, anti plastic packaging, wokeness would be a distraction from real issues. These things would be the concern of the Greens. It proves to me the Greens aren’t green, they’re watermelons.
Heh.
It was regularly a very distant fourth in the YouGov poll you linked, until Brexit dropped right down as a concern. Now it’s a distant third, way behind Health and The Economy. It’s lifted its head feebly in the last couple of months , coincidentally aligning with the incessant drumbeat from the media promoting the FIFO (fly in – fly out) COP “Zoom is for the little people” 26 gabfest
Did you think nobody would bother following the link?
Well said
The environment is very important. But environmental protection isn’t just about grand things like climate change and Great Resets, It’s about roads and congestion and fields being dug up to build identikit toy town housing estates that don’t even include grey water recycling or solar panels. It’s about not seeing hedgehogs or butterflies, about water companies polluting our water ways. Rubbish not being collected or recycled, flytippers getting away with murder. Acres of plastic packaging on everything. Seasonal local farm produce not strawberries in December shipped here from Africa or Spain. Local not global. Conservation is conservative. Climate change and one world government is something else.
Well said
Tamsin’s wiki entry makes interesting reading. The author managed not to use ANY pronoun that I could see, meaning that the text is a never-ending list of “Tamsin this” and “Tamsin that”, a bit like a 5 year old would write.
One thing for sure, transgender ideology doesn’t produce good literature.
I’m all for non-binary trans-trees.
Are you herbiesexual?
No, I myself am transfinancial – a billionaire tycoon born in the body of a poor person. I identify as rich and need money to complete the process. Donations are most welcome on my Patreon site! 🙂
the party has been warning about a looming climate crisis, the results of which are now grimly playing out.
No, they aren’t. Only the untrustworthy, politically corrupted climate ‘science’ profession says they are.
No surprise. For years the Greens have supported the EU while refusing to explain how the environment benefits from transporting goods across Europe or between the UK and EU by boat.
The Labour Party is a more difficult asylum for the lunatics to take over, so they have turned to the Green Party.
The Canadian national GP is likewise fragmenting over woke issues around colour, indigeneity, etc. It is a sad remnant of a party that used to be libertarian and welcoming.
All political parties, everywhere, rely on being perceived as trustworthy by the electorate. If a party chooses a leader who asks the electorate to believe something that seems impossible to them, i.e. that a person can define their own sex, and also asks people to change their natural language to accommodate that individual’s vanity (“they”, “them” instead of him or her) on pain of being punished if they can’t manage this, then they will consign themselves to oblivion, as people simply won’t buy into the fantasy.
If the world, or at least the world in which humankind has lived for thousands of years, is indeed about to come to an end, as the eco warriors supposedly believe, this surely is the ultimate example of fiddling while Rome burns.
The Greens have become in the UK an absurd fringe movement with little practical interest even in their supposedly key issue.
I suppose parties often go their own rather bizarre ways for all sorts of contingent historical reasons. The original Social Democrats were Marxists and the Liberals in Australia resemble more closely a Conservative Party (or at least that used to be the case). The German Greens do seem to be a far more serious political outfit than ours, with some interest in power.