I dislike this wishy-washy ‘government lockdowns hurt minorities the most.’ Why? Because minorities aren’t the only people who matter. What about an Englishman whose business went out? Or a young worker from Yorkshire, who got fired? They may not be minorities, but they certainly do matter. Do not fall into the trap of only caring about an issue when it hurts ‘minorities.’ More importantly, don’t elevate their suffering above others.
I kind of agree Madeleine but it is worth bearing in mind that those who have tended to be most shrill in their calls for lockdowns are often those who are more likely to shriek “racist” or “bigot” at the drop of a hat.
You are right that it was the shrill voices of the opposition parties, Sage and the MSM that pushed Boris towards ever more severe forms of lockdown, which inevitably impacted a lot of people with “protected characteristics” and who were more inclined to report anxiety and depression. I have no idea why there was any reluctance to publish this report as it contains no surprising revelations and basically accepts the idea that the restrictions were entirely justified. It mentions almost in passing that either 60% or 58% of the deaths were of men but as men are not a “protected class” this caused no particular hand wringing. It even accepted that the higher death rate of blacks was not evidence of any discrimination. The report was generated under section 149 of the Equalities Act 2010. It is certainly no smoking gun that the government had it in for any minorities. A singularly anodyne report if you get past the tedious concentration on all the usual woke gripes.
Like they do with the “young trans people not supported by their families”. That is certainly going to be a game changer when looking at lockdowns…
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Dear Madelaine,
This is about statistics and not individuals: individuals in all categories have been harmed by the covid measures, in total certainly far too many to justify many of the measures that were taken. (Possibly/likely also more deaths caused than have been avoided: it will take years before society will accept this)
It is just proportionally those at the bottom end of society have (in my personal view) been sacrificed for the sake of…… (each can complete here depending on their view)
I am as anti-lockdown as anyone Madeleine but I agree with you that this is rubbish. Self-reporting is a meaningless way to assess anything. Being a victim is currently trendy among certain groups – particularly the young -whereas we middle-aged chaps make the best of things and hate to be considered victims. Thus we respond differently on questionnaires.
Madeleine, I think you are missing the point here. The issue is that the biggest proponents of lockdowns are also those who also claim to care more about minorities. The implication being that if they really cared about minorities (and poor people) they wouldn’t be pushing for lockdowns over and over again. Hence, they really are just liars.
I think the article would have had more clout if it said that lockdowns hurt the poorest the most whomever they are – and this is true because they have the least financial buffer. Many of us have been calling this out since early on in the pandemic. This certainly does not mean that others have not been terribly affected – they have. Lockdowns are and always have been criminal.
More tosh from “Anonymous Amy.” Excellent comment, lest we forget so-called “minorities aren’t the only people who matter.”
A second point: this is a government report. The government is not the only source of truth, unless one lives in New Zealand. I personally asked, Jacinda Ardern, and she said “Yes, trust only me [the government]. Disregard all the rest [or you will be arrested.]”
Does “Anonymous Amy” really need protection for this nonsense? It is not directly related to her supposed job as an NHS physician, where presumably she cowers in fear all day lest she be exposed.
UnHerd–no more anonymity–especially here when it is totally unnecessary.
Alex Stonor
2 years ago
The negative impact of lockdowns can be been in every corner of society and every part of the economy; the list goes on & on. The ONLY group not affected are the elite, the governors, the wealthy. I hope we don’t ever see their like again.
Martin Bollis
2 years ago
Trashing the economy affects those at the bottom of the pile most. Who’d have guessed?
But who’s going to want an article stating the obvious, so let’s make it about the obsessions of the day.
Pity, I usually enjoy Amy’s perspective from the front line.
This argument should hit home more with the lockdown loving left though, and I think that’s the point of raising it – it shows them how their hobby horse issues are impacted.
Another example of identity politics as a divide and conquer strategy distracting from the more obvious problems of class.
Just to clarify, I’m referring to the report.
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Arnold Grutt
2 years ago
Doesn’t anyone see the ‘lockdowns’ as mainly motivated by the belief that we are ‘at war’ with the virus (a strange war where we don’t know where the opponent is in space or time because it’s invisible, in which the opponent has no ‘strategy’ because it isn’t ‘alive’, has not declared its long-term intentions because it can’t talk etc. etc.).
Treating it as war of course enables the corollary that anyone who does not feel in accord with the measures taken is a ‘traitor’ or ‘fifth-columnist’ who is liable to want to ‘assist the enemy’. It’s no coincidence that Johnson sees himself as another ‘Churchill’ and the epidemiologists behave essentially as ‘miltary strategists’ called on for their analytical skills in forecasting the ‘mind’ of the ‘enemy’.
I agree that general society-wide measures are sensible, but the desire to stigmatise individuals is no part of a sensible approach, though it does reflect a mindset.
“(a strange war where we don’t know where the opponent is in space or time because it’s invisible, in which the opponent has no ‘strategy’ because it isn’t ‘alive’, has not declared its long-term intentions because it can’t talk etc. etc.).”
As has been pointed out by Toby Read in the Covid consensus; in a war you sacrifice your present for yours and your children’s future; we have sacrificed ours and our children’s future for the present.
You couldn’t fight a war like that; much less win one.
Graeme Laws
2 years ago
No evidence, no numbers, just a statement of the bleedin’ obvious. If people were having a tough time, the pandemic just made it a whole lot tougher. Actually, it made life a whole lot tougher for the majority, but the better off had a bit more resilience. Our taxes pay people to write these ‘assessments’ because the dreadful Equalities Act demands it. We need equality before the law. We need equality of opportunity. We do not need and in any case cannot have equality of outcome. Does this author have any policy suggestions that make sense?
Frederick B
2 years ago
“It seems that BAME communities have taken the brunt of the harm from restrictions”.I have never yet seen infection and mortality rates in BAME communities compared with those suffered by white minorities (Poles etc.) who tend to live in the same areas as BAME people and do the same sort of public facing jobs. Is there a difference? If so, what does it say about the differences between white and non-white people?
Come to that, how about a comparison between different types of BAMEs – are Indians (prosperous, professional) affected to the same extent as Afro-Caribbeans (generally less prosperous, more manual)? If not, why not?
I dislike this wishy-washy ‘government lockdowns hurt minorities the most.’ Why? Because minorities aren’t the only people who matter. What about an Englishman whose business went out? Or a young worker from Yorkshire, who got fired? They may not be minorities, but they certainly do matter. Do not fall into the trap of only caring about an issue when it hurts ‘minorities.’ More importantly, don’t elevate their suffering above others.
I kind of agree Madeleine but it is worth bearing in mind that those who have tended to be most shrill in their calls for lockdowns are often those who are more likely to shriek “racist” or “bigot” at the drop of a hat.
You are right that it was the shrill voices of the opposition parties, Sage and the MSM that pushed Boris towards ever more severe forms of lockdown, which inevitably impacted a lot of people with “protected characteristics” and who were more inclined to report anxiety and depression.
I have no idea why there was any reluctance to publish this report as it contains no surprising revelations and basically accepts the idea that the restrictions were entirely justified. It mentions almost in passing that either 60% or 58% of the deaths were of men but as men are not a “protected class” this caused no particular hand wringing. It even accepted that the higher death rate of blacks was not evidence of any discrimination.
The report was generated under section 149 of the Equalities Act 2010. It is certainly no smoking gun that the government had it in for any minorities. A singularly anodyne report if you get past the tedious concentration on all the usual woke gripes.
Like they do with the “young trans people not supported by their families”. That is certainly going to be a game changer when looking at lockdowns…
(Edited)
What about them? Give an instance of a particular ‘harm’ that is qualitatively different from those suffered by others.
Sorry, that is what I meant.
I can see now that my comment can be misconstrued.
I could see you were being ironic / sarcastic.
Dear Madelaine,
This is about statistics and not individuals: individuals in all categories have been harmed by the covid measures, in total certainly far too many to justify many of the measures that were taken. (Possibly/likely also more deaths caused than have been avoided: it will take years before society will accept this)
It is just proportionally those at the bottom end of society have (in my personal view) been sacrificed for the sake of…… (each can complete here depending on their view)
I am as anti-lockdown as anyone Madeleine but I agree with you that this is rubbish. Self-reporting is a meaningless way to assess anything. Being a victim is currently trendy among certain groups – particularly the young -whereas we middle-aged chaps make the best of things and hate to be considered victims. Thus we respond differently on questionnaires.
Madeleine, I think you are missing the point here. The issue is that the biggest proponents of lockdowns are also those who also claim to care more about minorities. The implication being that if they really cared about minorities (and poor people) they wouldn’t be pushing for lockdowns over and over again. Hence, they really are just liars.
This is just baffling to many of us. So hypocritical.
I think the article would have had more clout if it said that lockdowns hurt the poorest the most whomever they are – and this is true because they have the least financial buffer. Many of us have been calling this out since early on in the pandemic. This certainly does not mean that others have not been terribly affected – they have. Lockdowns are and always have been criminal.
More tosh from “Anonymous Amy.” Excellent comment, lest we forget so-called “minorities aren’t the only people who matter.”
A second point: this is a government report. The government is not the only source of truth, unless one lives in New Zealand. I personally asked, Jacinda Ardern, and she said “Yes, trust only me [the government]. Disregard all the rest [or you will be arrested.]”
Does “Anonymous Amy” really need protection for this nonsense? It is not directly related to her supposed job as an NHS physician, where presumably she cowers in fear all day lest she be exposed.
UnHerd–no more anonymity–especially here when it is totally unnecessary.
The negative impact of lockdowns can be been in every corner of society and every part of the economy; the list goes on & on. The ONLY group not affected are the elite, the governors, the wealthy. I hope we don’t ever see their like again.
Trashing the economy affects those at the bottom of the pile most. Who’d have guessed?
But who’s going to want an article stating the obvious, so let’s make it about the obsessions of the day.
Pity, I usually enjoy Amy’s perspective from the front line.
This argument should hit home more with the lockdown loving left though, and I think that’s the point of raising it – it shows them how their hobby horse issues are impacted.
Another example of identity politics as a divide and conquer strategy distracting from the more obvious problems of class.
Just to clarify, I’m referring to the report.
Doesn’t anyone see the ‘lockdowns’ as mainly motivated by the belief that we are ‘at war’ with the virus (a strange war where we don’t know where the opponent is in space or time because it’s invisible, in which the opponent has no ‘strategy’ because it isn’t ‘alive’, has not declared its long-term intentions because it can’t talk etc. etc.).
Treating it as war of course enables the corollary that anyone who does not feel in accord with the measures taken is a ‘traitor’ or ‘fifth-columnist’ who is liable to want to ‘assist the enemy’. It’s no coincidence that Johnson sees himself as another ‘Churchill’ and the epidemiologists behave essentially as ‘miltary strategists’ called on for their analytical skills in forecasting the ‘mind’ of the ‘enemy’.
I agree that general society-wide measures are sensible, but the desire to stigmatise individuals is no part of a sensible approach, though it does reflect a mindset.
“(a strange war where we don’t know where the opponent is in space or time because it’s invisible, in which the opponent has no ‘strategy’ because it isn’t ‘alive’, has not declared its long-term intentions because it can’t talk etc. etc.).”
Apparently, it’s because it hates our freedoms.
As has been pointed out by Toby Read in the Covid consensus; in a war you sacrifice your present for yours and your children’s future; we have sacrificed ours and our children’s future for the present.
You couldn’t fight a war like that; much less win one.
No evidence, no numbers, just a statement of the bleedin’ obvious. If people were having a tough time, the pandemic just made it a whole lot tougher. Actually, it made life a whole lot tougher for the majority, but the better off had a bit more resilience. Our taxes pay people to write these ‘assessments’ because the dreadful Equalities Act demands it. We need equality before the law. We need equality of opportunity. We do not need and in any case cannot have equality of outcome. Does this author have any policy suggestions that make sense?
“It seems that BAME communities have taken the brunt of the harm from restrictions”.I have never yet seen infection and mortality rates in BAME communities compared with those suffered by white minorities (Poles etc.) who tend to live in the same areas as BAME people and do the same sort of public facing jobs. Is there a difference? If so, what does it say about the differences between white and non-white people?
Come to that, how about a comparison between different types of BAMEs – are Indians (prosperous, professional) affected to the same extent as Afro-Caribbeans (generally less prosperous, more manual)? If not, why not?