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Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Maybe people are just sick of the governing elite – intruding on our lives in countless ways, while failing to deliver anything close to competent governance.

Peter D
Peter D
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Spot on Jim. Most Germans have a problem with the far right, which is no surprise. This has enabled the CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP, and Bundis90/Die Gruenen to be as irresponsible as they have been over the last decade or so. The elites are causing a great deal of misery.
Mass migration into Europe coupled with Net Zero is killing Europe. Sometimes a step or two back is the best way to take a few steps forward. I don’t see the AfD as the saviours, but they probably have the best shot at correcting the course.

Peter D
Peter D
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Spot on Jim. Most Germans have a problem with the far right, which is no surprise. This has enabled the CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP, and Bundis90/Die Gruenen to be as irresponsible as they have been over the last decade or so. The elites are causing a great deal of misery.
Mass migration into Europe coupled with Net Zero is killing Europe. Sometimes a step or two back is the best way to take a few steps forward. I don’t see the AfD as the saviours, but they probably have the best shot at correcting the course.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Maybe people are just sick of the governing elite – intruding on our lives in countless ways, while failing to deliver anything close to competent governance.

Jim Jam
Jim Jam
11 months ago

“Populism”

Appeals to popular sentiments that lie at odds with those belonging to a select few who have decided they know better, despite the consequences of their thinking invariably proving otherwise.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

I take issue with that centrist weasel-word ‘sentiment’, which the author of the piece also used. It’s not ‘sentiment’ that’s the issue here, but the country people can see with their own eyes all around them, potholed roads and mass immigration and depressed High Streets and nasty cramped Lego estates of cramped, jerry-built houses at rip-off prices. It’s collapsing real wages, soaring taxes, skyrocketing national debt and a bloated authoritarian State run by unaccountable rainbow weirdos.
This isn’t sentiment: it’s reality. The sentimentalists here aren’t the populists: they’re the politicians of the ‘mainstream’ parties, the public sector, academia and the NGOs and their bourgeois ballot-fodder.

Last edited 11 months ago by Peter Joy
Peter Joy
Peter Joy
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

I take issue with that centrist weasel-word ‘sentiment’, which the author of the piece also used. It’s not ‘sentiment’ that’s the issue here, but the country people can see with their own eyes all around them, potholed roads and mass immigration and depressed High Streets and nasty cramped Lego estates of cramped, jerry-built houses at rip-off prices. It’s collapsing real wages, soaring taxes, skyrocketing national debt and a bloated authoritarian State run by unaccountable rainbow weirdos.
This isn’t sentiment: it’s reality. The sentimentalists here aren’t the populists: they’re the politicians of the ‘mainstream’ parties, the public sector, academia and the NGOs and their bourgeois ballot-fodder.

Last edited 11 months ago by Peter Joy
Jim Jam
Jim Jam
11 months ago

“Populism”

Appeals to popular sentiments that lie at odds with those belonging to a select few who have decided they know better, despite the consequences of their thinking invariably proving otherwise.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
11 months ago

Whichever way we vote we still have a left wing elite that does not change and will never willing loosen their grip on the levers of power which they use unflinchingly to protect their own wealth and power.
The only hope for change id the AfD an parties like them.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

The biggest challenge is the bureaucracy. How do you eradicate the left wing, progressive ideology that dominates the people who implement policy?

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

A mass cull. Cut off their budgets. Close down whole Departments, one by one.
Same goes for the University degree racket and Arts Council: cut off the taxpayer funding (Student Loans and all) and then we’ll see what they’re really worth to people.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
11 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

You forgot to mention NGOs

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

Is this even possible in a practical sense? Does someone have to swear an oath to conservative ideology? I’m not super keen on that idea. Bureaucrats should be allowed to have political beliefs. The problem is this infects their willingness – for some of them anyway – to implement policy counter to their ideology.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
11 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

You forgot to mention NGOs

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

Is this even possible in a practical sense? Does someone have to swear an oath to conservative ideology? I’m not super keen on that idea. Bureaucrats should be allowed to have political beliefs. The problem is this infects their willingness – for some of them anyway – to implement policy counter to their ideology.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

A mass cull. Cut off their budgets. Close down whole Departments, one by one.
Same goes for the University degree racket and Arts Council: cut off the taxpayer funding (Student Loans and all) and then we’ll see what they’re really worth to people.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

The biggest challenge is the bureaucracy. How do you eradicate the left wing, progressive ideology that dominates the people who implement policy?

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
11 months ago

Whichever way we vote we still have a left wing elite that does not change and will never willing loosen their grip on the levers of power which they use unflinchingly to protect their own wealth and power.
The only hope for change id the AfD an parties like them.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
11 months ago

The surge of the AfD has nothing to do with “far right populist” politics, it has more to do with the utter failure of the CDU being a proper opposition party. This former middle class party was pulled to the left by Merkel and her Green “Energie Wende” and open door politics. There seems to be only a paper thin difference between the CDU and the SPD nowadays, leaving the middle and working classes and the all important important Mittelstand, engine of Germany’s economy, in dire straights: Energy prices are exploding, and a never ending stream of migrants are creating housing shortages, huge burden on social security and causing increasing crime. The big parties seem to have no solutions and the current “Traffic Light” coalition with its Green Economics Minister seems to be a total disaster. The AfD is becoming the big protest party, and if there is no change of direction in Germany’s politics, might even overtake the CDU.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
11 months ago

The surge of the AfD has nothing to do with “far right populist” politics, it has more to do with the utter failure of the CDU being a proper opposition party. This former middle class party was pulled to the left by Merkel and her Green “Energie Wende” and open door politics. There seems to be only a paper thin difference between the CDU and the SPD nowadays, leaving the middle and working classes and the all important important Mittelstand, engine of Germany’s economy, in dire straights: Energy prices are exploding, and a never ending stream of migrants are creating housing shortages, huge burden on social security and causing increasing crime. The big parties seem to have no solutions and the current “Traffic Light” coalition with its Green Economics Minister seems to be a total disaster. The AfD is becoming the big protest party, and if there is no change of direction in Germany’s politics, might even overtake the CDU.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stephanie Surface
AC Harper
AC Harper
11 months ago

Perhaps the Populist tide is coming back because more people fear the Left undertow? To mix a metaphor or two.
To refer to a Monty Python film… what have the Left done for us?

Stoater D
Stoater D
11 months ago
Reply to  AC Harper

Made us all poorer and made many people dependant.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
11 months ago
Reply to  Stoater D

All the better to bring forward a milquetoast, hi-tech version of Pol Pot’s Year Zero….

Last edited 11 months ago by Peter Joy
Peter Joy
Peter Joy
11 months ago
Reply to  Stoater D

All the better to bring forward a milquetoast, hi-tech version of Pol Pot’s Year Zero….

Last edited 11 months ago by Peter Joy
Stoater D
Stoater D
11 months ago
Reply to  AC Harper

Made us all poorer and made many people dependant.

AC Harper
AC Harper
11 months ago

Perhaps the Populist tide is coming back because more people fear the Left undertow? To mix a metaphor or two.
To refer to a Monty Python film… what have the Left done for us?

Martin Layfield
Martin Layfield
11 months ago

We keep being told periodically that Le Pen in France and AfD in Germany are spent forces that have peaked but these claims just get exposed as liberal fantasies. Both National Rally and AFD are the only plausible alternatives to the status quo in their respective states so they won’t be going away.

Martin Layfield
Martin Layfield
11 months ago

We keep being told periodically that Le Pen in France and AfD in Germany are spent forces that have peaked but these claims just get exposed as liberal fantasies. Both National Rally and AFD are the only plausible alternatives to the status quo in their respective states so they won’t be going away.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
11 months ago

Is it a tide, or more like floodwaters behind a dam. Every new crisis pokes a little hole and the establishment has to then plug up, but with each patch job and plugged hole, the structure gets weaker. Will the establishment take a step back and make the costly (to them) reforms that it will take to reinforce the dam and/or redirect the waters, or will they keep plugging holes and dumping more water into the reservoir until it collapses. With each new disillusioned and disgusted voter, the task only gets bigger and more expensive. I’m of the opinion that they’ve already lost. Their choices are to either accept some hard checks on globalism voluntarily, or eventually have those same changes rammed down their throats, possibly with a side of pitchforks and torches.

Last edited 11 months ago by Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
11 months ago

Is it a tide, or more like floodwaters behind a dam. Every new crisis pokes a little hole and the establishment has to then plug up, but with each patch job and plugged hole, the structure gets weaker. Will the establishment take a step back and make the costly (to them) reforms that it will take to reinforce the dam and/or redirect the waters, or will they keep plugging holes and dumping more water into the reservoir until it collapses. With each new disillusioned and disgusted voter, the task only gets bigger and more expensive. I’m of the opinion that they’ve already lost. Their choices are to either accept some hard checks on globalism voluntarily, or eventually have those same changes rammed down their throats, possibly with a side of pitchforks and torches.

Last edited 11 months ago by Steve Jolly
Ian Barton
Ian Barton
11 months ago

This turn to the right in many EU member states may also presage the EU moving further to the right.
This would make the Labour leadership preference for rejoining even more absurdly at odds with the traditions of its members.

Last edited 11 months ago by Ian Barton
Stoater D
Stoater D
11 months ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

Traditional Labour supporters have
always been patriotic so joining the EEC, EC, EU was always at odds with the traditions of Labour members.
At one time Labour described the EEC as it was then, as ” the bosses Europe”.
Since then the three main parties in the UK, together with the MSM
have sold out to globalist organisations such as the UN, the WHO, the WEF and of course the EU.
All bought and paid for.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stoater D
Stoater D
Stoater D
11 months ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

Traditional Labour supporters have
always been patriotic so joining the EEC, EC, EU was always at odds with the traditions of Labour members.
At one time Labour described the EEC as it was then, as ” the bosses Europe”.
Since then the three main parties in the UK, together with the MSM
have sold out to globalist organisations such as the UN, the WHO, the WEF and of course the EU.
All bought and paid for.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stoater D
Ian Barton
Ian Barton
11 months ago

This turn to the right in many EU member states may also presage the EU moving further to the right.
This would make the Labour leadership preference for rejoining even more absurdly at odds with the traditions of its members.

Last edited 11 months ago by Ian Barton
Stoater D
Stoater D
11 months ago

Why is everything just vaugely small”c” conservative described
as ” far right ” now ?
The people who are throwing around this term are often supporters of Zelenskyy’s real live Nazis in Ukraine.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stoater D
Stoater D
Stoater D
11 months ago

Why is everything just vaugely small”c” conservative described
as ” far right ” now ?
The people who are throwing around this term are often supporters of Zelenskyy’s real live Nazis in Ukraine.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stoater D
Jacob Mason
Jacob Mason
11 months ago

I am looking to Germany as a harbinger of what happens to an advanced economy which dramatically inflates its energy prices.
It may not be well known, but the Biden administration is pushing through similar measures (such as impossible emissions caps on fossil fuel power production and requiring car manufacturers to overproduce electric vehicles). The US could well be on its way a decade or two behind whatever happens in Germany.
Will this sort of insanity eventually wake up an apparently slumbering populace? I’m really not sure.

Jacob Mason
Jacob Mason
11 months ago

I am looking to Germany as a harbinger of what happens to an advanced economy which dramatically inflates its energy prices.
It may not be well known, but the Biden administration is pushing through similar measures (such as impossible emissions caps on fossil fuel power production and requiring car manufacturers to overproduce electric vehicles). The US could well be on its way a decade or two behind whatever happens in Germany.
Will this sort of insanity eventually wake up an apparently slumbering populace? I’m really not sure.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
11 months ago

not in nu britn hewkay… sadly… we just have our own brand of National Socialists .. in the true meaning of the term aka Conservatives and Labour and Lib dem

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
11 months ago

not in nu britn hewkay… sadly… we just have our own brand of National Socialists .. in the true meaning of the term aka Conservatives and Labour and Lib dem

Aidan Anabetting
Aidan Anabetting
11 months ago

The author asserts that British Rejoiners are still pretending not to notice, but there’s little doubt that the continental Right is back in a big way. “
But he ignores the fact that British “Leavers” are pretending not to notice that none of these Right wing populist parties wants to quit the the EU.

Stephen Walsh
Stephen Walsh
11 months ago

Of course they don’t, because Euro membership makes leaving the EU effectively impossible this side of an economic crisis leading to the collapse of the Euro. But they do want to transform the EU from the progressive, top-down globalist club so beloved of Remainers.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stephen Walsh
j watson
j watson
11 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

Which of course we could have helped do had we not stropped off.

Stephen Walsh
Stephen Walsh
11 months ago
Reply to  j watson

Well we hadn’t got much traction in 43 years, and our own elite was damn unlikely to try much harder.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stephen Walsh
j watson
j watson
11 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

Hmm not sure that holds up to much scrutiny SW. The Single Market was driven strongly by Thatcher. Many of the rules we helped design, and even when some things we didn’t like emerged we negotiated plenty of opt outs and vetos. One of the reasons we haven’t just junked the c4.5k EU laws is we helped design them and they are still applicable making their universality easier for Business.
Now there were some things that needed further reform and the Article flags how right wing parties/Govts in EU may well have given us plenty of allies to push forward changes. Opportunity lost.

j watson
j watson
11 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

Hmm not sure that holds up to much scrutiny SW. The Single Market was driven strongly by Thatcher. Many of the rules we helped design, and even when some things we didn’t like emerged we negotiated plenty of opt outs and vetos. One of the reasons we haven’t just junked the c4.5k EU laws is we helped design them and they are still applicable making their universality easier for Business.
Now there were some things that needed further reform and the Article flags how right wing parties/Govts in EU may well have given us plenty of allies to push forward changes. Opportunity lost.

Leigh Collier
Leigh Collier
11 months ago
Reply to  j watson

Why would we? Rather than try to reform the unreformable, it was much more sensible for us to get out of the mess and leave them to it. How would it have been better to stay on in the mess, outnumbered by supporters of a supranational state that most British people don’t want (and voted accordingly in 2016 when finally our opinion was asked for).

j watson
j watson
11 months ago
Reply to  Leigh Collier

Much more sensible? A viewpoint that increasingly looks flaccid.

j watson
j watson
11 months ago
Reply to  Leigh Collier

Much more sensible? A viewpoint that increasingly looks flaccid.

Stephen Walsh
Stephen Walsh
11 months ago
Reply to  j watson

Well we hadn’t got much traction in 43 years, and our own elite was damn unlikely to try much harder.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stephen Walsh
Leigh Collier
Leigh Collier
11 months ago
Reply to  j watson

Why would we? Rather than try to reform the unreformable, it was much more sensible for us to get out of the mess and leave them to it. How would it have been better to stay on in the mess, outnumbered by supporters of a supranational state that most British people don’t want (and voted accordingly in 2016 when finally our opinion was asked for).

j watson
j watson
11 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

Which of course we could have helped do had we not stropped off.

Stephen Walsh
Stephen Walsh
11 months ago

Of course they don’t, because Euro membership makes leaving the EU effectively impossible this side of an economic crisis leading to the collapse of the Euro. But they do want to transform the EU from the progressive, top-down globalist club so beloved of Remainers.

Last edited 11 months ago by Stephen Walsh
Aidan Anabetting
Aidan Anabetting
11 months ago

The author asserts that British Rejoiners are still pretending not to notice, but there’s little doubt that the continental Right is back in a big way. “
But he ignores the fact that British “Leavers” are pretending not to notice that none of these Right wing populist parties wants to quit the the EU.