As an American voter I would happily show up in person and stand in-line 4 times per election to have:
-immediate unquestionable election results
-a real choice and not just an opportunity to select the least objectionable R or D candidate.
Pierre Henri
1 year ago
One should be careful not to blame the electoral system for Mr Macron’s casual approach to politics.
As the author says, “all this was designed for an era when politics was dominated by the mainstream parties of the centre-Left and centre-Right”. And the person who destroyed the mainstream parties is no one else than Mr Macron.
“La République en Marche” (LREM) is a political label, but it is no real political party with a set of core beliefs, motivated party activists, or an internal democracy. If the LREM members are dissatisfied with Mr Macron’s performance, they have no way to remove him, as the Conservative Party members plan to do if Boris Johnson further disappoints them.
Destroying the mainsteam parties would have been fine if they had been replaced by something more substantial than LREM.
Mr Macron is a “pompier pyromane” (arsonist fireman) : he pitched himself as the man who would save the country from the chaos he himself created. That served him well for the presidential election, a little less for the legislative one.
Virginia Teach
1 year ago
As I understand it, the electoral system successfully filled all 577 seats, and therefore didn’t “fail” in any sense besides not delivering the result Macron and his supporters wanted.
Not that the two-round system isn’t cumbersome, but what system would Mr Franklin propose instead? Of the two most obvious alternatives, Macron probably wouldn’t have got a majority under British-style single-round plurality voting (as his party didn’t place first in anywhere near half the seats in the first round), and definitely wouldn’t have got one under proportional representation. Perhaps the appallingly unfair system Italy used for a while, in which the party that won a plurality of seats automatically got a massive seat bonus to ensure a majority?
George Bruce
1 year ago
It’s quite possible that France has the world’s worst electoral system.
Based on the author`s knowledge of 5 or 6 countries….
M. M.
1 year ago
Peter Franklin wrote, “It’s quite possible that France has the world’s worst electoral system. Because of the split between the presidential and legislative contests, each of which involve two rounds, French voters have to turn out four times to get a new government.”
The worst aspect of the French electoral system is its ethnic or racial opaqueness. A 1978 law created this opaqueness by specifically banning the collection of ethnic or racial statistics. In other words, exit polls that illustrate how various demographic groups (e.g., Middle Easterners) voted do not exist.
This opaqueness hides the impact of various immigrant groups (and their descendants) on French society, including specifically its electoral outcomes.
The best that we can do is to extrapolate from the trends in the United States, which will become a Hispanic nation (in which Hispanic culture dominates and Western culture is rejected by the majority) by 2040 due to open borders. The behavior and status of (North) Africans and Middle Easterners in France most closely resemble the behavior and status of Africans and Hispanics in the United States. The latter two groups consistently vote as a bloc to get preferential treatment (via, typically, affirmative action). Their voting pattern has altered the character of the United States. For example, California is effectively a one-party state (controlled by the Democratic Party) due to the Hispanic vote.
Consequently, Middle Easterners and Africans in France likely also vote as a bloc and gave a majority of their votes to the candidates of the NUPES coalition (lead by Jean-Luc Mélenchon) in the recent parliamentary election. Without their votes, the National Rally of Marie Le Pen would have gained even more seats in the legislature, thus strengthening the ability of her party to protect French culture by tightening laws on immigration.
The experience in the United States is an omen of grave danger for France. Once Middle Easterners and Africans become 20% of the French population, they will have sufficient political power to prevent the closure of the border and will permanently alter the character of France. Imagine a France in which French is no longer the official national language. (In the United States, Hispanic political power prevents establishing English as the official national language.)
The World’s worst electoral system, says a writer from England??
David Yetter
1 year ago
I beg to differ. I’m afraid that distinction belongs to us Yanks. The problem not being what’s baked into our Constitution, but the way our parties nominate candidates. If you want evidence, consider our last few Presidential elections, we had Biden v. Trump (and look at Biden’s Presidency), before that Trump v. Clinton (the Democrats picking the one person Trump could clearly beat), then there was Obama, a slick facade over a non-existent record of political accomplishment hiding the ideas of the Chicago hard-left, and the two too-gentlemanly to fight an election opponents the GOP put up against him.
As an American voter I would happily show up in person and stand in-line 4 times per election to have:
-immediate unquestionable election results
-a real choice and not just an opportunity to select the least objectionable R or D candidate.
One should be careful not to blame the electoral system for Mr Macron’s casual approach to politics.
As the author says, “all this was designed for an era when politics was dominated by the mainstream parties of the centre-Left and centre-Right”. And the person who destroyed the mainstream parties is no one else than Mr Macron.
“La République en Marche” (LREM) is a political label, but it is no real political party with a set of core beliefs, motivated party activists, or an internal democracy. If the LREM members are dissatisfied with Mr Macron’s performance, they have no way to remove him, as the Conservative Party members plan to do if Boris Johnson further disappoints them.
Destroying the mainsteam parties would have been fine if they had been replaced by something more substantial than LREM.
Mr Macron is a “pompier pyromane” (arsonist fireman) : he pitched himself as the man who would save the country from the chaos he himself created. That served him well for the presidential election, a little less for the legislative one.
As I understand it, the electoral system successfully filled all 577 seats, and therefore didn’t “fail” in any sense besides not delivering the result Macron and his supporters wanted.
Not that the two-round system isn’t cumbersome, but what system would Mr Franklin propose instead? Of the two most obvious alternatives, Macron probably wouldn’t have got a majority under British-style single-round plurality voting (as his party didn’t place first in anywhere near half the seats in the first round), and definitely wouldn’t have got one under proportional representation. Perhaps the appallingly unfair system Italy used for a while, in which the party that won a plurality of seats automatically got a massive seat bonus to ensure a majority?
Based on the author`s knowledge of 5 or 6 countries….
Peter Franklin wrote, “It’s quite possible that France has the world’s worst electoral system. Because of the split between the presidential and legislative contests, each of which involve two rounds, French voters have to turn out four times to get a new government.”
The worst aspect of the French electoral system is its ethnic or racial opaqueness. A 1978 law created this opaqueness by specifically banning the collection of ethnic or racial statistics. In other words, exit polls that illustrate how various demographic groups (e.g., Middle Easterners) voted do not exist.
This opaqueness hides the impact of various immigrant groups (and their descendants) on French society, including specifically its electoral outcomes.
The best that we can do is to extrapolate from the trends in the United States, which will become a Hispanic nation (in which Hispanic culture dominates and Western culture is rejected by the majority) by 2040 due to open borders. The behavior and status of (North) Africans and Middle Easterners in France most closely resemble the behavior and status of Africans and Hispanics in the United States. The latter two groups consistently vote as a bloc to get preferential treatment (via, typically, affirmative action). Their voting pattern has altered the character of the United States. For example, California is effectively a one-party state (controlled by the Democratic Party) due to the Hispanic vote.
Consequently, Middle Easterners and Africans in France likely also vote as a bloc and gave a majority of their votes to the candidates of the NUPES coalition (lead by Jean-Luc Mélenchon) in the recent parliamentary election. Without their votes, the National Rally of Marie Le Pen would have gained even more seats in the legislature, thus strengthening the ability of her party to protect French culture by tightening laws on immigration.
The experience in the United States is an omen of grave danger for France. Once Middle Easterners and Africans become 20% of the French population, they will have sufficient political power to prevent the closure of the border and will permanently alter the character of France. Imagine a France in which French is no longer the official national language. (In the United States, Hispanic political power prevents establishing English as the official national language.)
Get more info about voting as a bloc.
The World’s worst electoral system, says a writer from England??
I beg to differ. I’m afraid that distinction belongs to us Yanks. The problem not being what’s baked into our Constitution, but the way our parties nominate candidates. If you want evidence, consider our last few Presidential elections, we had Biden v. Trump (and look at Biden’s Presidency), before that Trump v. Clinton (the Democrats picking the one person Trump could clearly beat), then there was Obama, a slick facade over a non-existent record of political accomplishment hiding the ideas of the Chicago hard-left, and the two too-gentlemanly to fight an election opponents the GOP put up against him.