Maybe just a “half-way house” idea. NATO is for “peace and collective security of members…..and dialogue between them.” Without an identifiable enemy to peace, NATO loses purpose. Joining NATO as a Russian road into the EU? Maybe that would focus on the real villains to peace and harmony: – authoritarian dictatorships and terrorists with no reverence for life. First problem with “good idea”; – current “crazy” authoritarian leadership.
The problem with Russia joining NATO is the EU and Macron’s cunning plans for an EU army and defence policy. The latter become obsolete as soon as Russia joins NATO or even enters into tight cooperation agreement with NATO. And Brussels does not like this scenario as it does not fit its objectives of ever closer integration and relegation of States and their sovereignty to history. The EU needs to create an “enemy” even imaginary to justify its survival ( or should I say attempts to play a role ) on the international geopolitical plane as it is a dwarf. With Russia no longer the enemy only China would be left but this would be a very different ball game and intolerable gamble. It is worth revisiting Carl Schmitt’s writings.
For What? The EU Army? Is it time for a EU Nuclear force with 800 nuk armed bombs and missiles – maybe 6 aircraft carrier task forces, nuke capable Submarine fleet, 2,000 heavy battle Tanks 180 Ships, 400 top line fighters, 1000 other military aircraft, and 2 million people in Uniform?
Sounds good – lets put some EU department in charge of it…… and fund it by borrowing $6 Trillion off the international Bond Market…..
It’s crazy. Russia is able to defend itself. Europe isn’t able to defend itself, despite being easily capable of doing so, because it is unable to agree on defence, and because it generally finds it preferable to spend money on welfare, inclusivity, diversity etc, leaving the USA to bear the burden.
NATO was formed because of a perceived threat, became redundant and withered, but may now perhaps be reinvigorated, because it has been forced to recognise that the threat has returned.
Friendly relations in the form of exchange of representatives, and maybe even military co-operation, is a nice idea, but founders because of the behaviour of the Russian government, which has no qualms about sending assassins, bombing Syrian hospitals, tolerating or sponsoring internet crime, and steadily destroying what was once a developing democracy. One can only hope that in time, things improve.
Wouldn’t that be called the United Nations – we could have the headquarters in New York on Mondays, Moscow on Wednesdays and Peking on Fridays. If NY too hot in Summer then Brussels and if Moscow too cold in Winter then Bombay. That’l keep the buggers (sorry, politicians) too busy to cause any problems for the rest of us who could then get on with getting-things-done.
Nah, including Russia and other ideologically crazy countries in any global body has wrecked these global bodies – WHO, UN, UNESCO.
Sean Meister
2 years ago
“Backbone” being a stooge for the US regime of course. Germany should be in charge of its own destiny rather than slavishly serve their unfeeling American masters. Germany’s future lies East, not West.
Thanks. Ok I’ll start this off, is this – https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/open-letter-it-s-time-to-invite-russia-to-join-nato-a-682287.html – a good idea or a crazy one?
Maybe just a “half-way house” idea. NATO is for “peace and collective security of members…..and dialogue between them.” Without an identifiable enemy to peace, NATO loses purpose. Joining NATO as a Russian road into the EU? Maybe that would focus on the real villains to peace and harmony: – authoritarian dictatorships and terrorists with no reverence for life. First problem with “good idea”; – current “crazy” authoritarian leadership.
The problem with Russia joining NATO is the EU and Macron’s cunning plans for an EU army and defence policy. The latter become obsolete as soon as Russia joins NATO or even enters into tight cooperation agreement with NATO. And Brussels does not like this scenario as it does not fit its objectives of ever closer integration and relegation of States and their sovereignty to history. The EU needs to create an “enemy” even imaginary to justify its survival ( or should I say attempts to play a role ) on the international geopolitical plane as it is a dwarf. With Russia no longer the enemy only China would be left but this would be a very different ball game and intolerable gamble. It is worth revisiting Carl Schmitt’s writings.
I thought that the EU had created an “enemy”- the UK
No the UK is not an enemy just a scapegoat for the EU
Scrap NATO.
For What? The EU Army? Is it time for a EU Nuclear force with 800 nuk armed bombs and missiles – maybe 6 aircraft carrier task forces, nuke capable Submarine fleet, 2,000 heavy battle Tanks 180 Ships, 400 top line fighters, 1000 other military aircraft, and 2 million people in Uniform?
Sounds good – lets put some EU department in charge of it…… and fund it by borrowing $6 Trillion off the international Bond Market…..
It’s crazy. Russia is able to defend itself. Europe isn’t able to defend itself, despite being easily capable of doing so, because it is unable to agree on defence, and because it generally finds it preferable to spend money on welfare, inclusivity, diversity etc, leaving the USA to bear the burden.
NATO was formed because of a perceived threat, became redundant and withered, but may now perhaps be reinvigorated, because it has been forced to recognise that the threat has returned.
Friendly relations in the form of exchange of representatives, and maybe even military co-operation, is a nice idea, but founders because of the behaviour of the Russian government, which has no qualms about sending assassins, bombing Syrian hospitals, tolerating or sponsoring internet crime, and steadily destroying what was once a developing democracy. One can only hope that in time, things improve.
Crazy one. May as well say, ‘How about NATO handing its self over to Russia?
And why not asking China and India to join too, and Brazil, they are pretty powerful in their way – and maybe Japan?
NATO would have a good military if they all joined – no one would dare attack NATO then.
Wouldn’t that be called the United Nations – we could have the headquarters in New York on Mondays, Moscow on Wednesdays and Peking on Fridays. If NY too hot in Summer then Brussels and if Moscow too cold in Winter then Bombay. That’l keep the buggers (sorry, politicians) too busy to cause any problems for the rest of us who could then get on with getting-things-done.
Nah, including Russia and other ideologically crazy countries in any global body has wrecked these global bodies – WHO, UN, UNESCO.
“Backbone” being a stooge for the US regime of course. Germany should be in charge of its own destiny rather than slavishly serve their unfeeling American masters. Germany’s future lies East, not West.