“with MPs who were never properly vetted ending up in jail, expelled from the party,”
Can anybody on the inside tell me what this ‘vetting’ looks like, and how it would have caught Benton before selection?
I think caution is advised with the overall drift here, because it could be read as saying ‘not a member of the political class’, ‘didn’t go to university’ etc..
I would like to see the widest possible range of voices in politics, even if the progressive elite turns their nose up at people like Lee Anderson. Some of them will screw up, but many of those who survive in politics are hardly free from ‘sin’. Lying, cheating and abuse of power seem to go with the territory.
This is yet another key ‘crunch’ issue that needs to be debated – exactly what do we expect our elected representatives to bring to the table, e.g. background, qualifications, skills, overall suitabilty for the demands of the job…..how should their salaries be funded?
Quite so. We get the MPs we deserve. How many voters consider the candidates’ personal qualities, integrity, work history, academic achievement, suitability for ministerial office etc, rather than just putting an X next to a party label?
No wonder there is so little talent from which to select Ministers of the Crown.
Quite so. We get the MPs we deserve. How many voters consider the candidates’ personal qualities, integrity, work history, academic achievement, suitability for ministerial office etc, rather than just putting an X next to a party label?
No wonder there is so little talent from which to select Ministers of the Crown.
This is yet another key ‘crunch’ issue that needs to be debated – exactly what do we expect our elected representatives to bring to the table, e.g. background, qualifications, skills, overall suitabilty for the demands of the job…..how should their salaries be funded?
Nik Jewell
1 year ago
“with MPs who were never properly vetted ending up in jail, expelled from the party,”
Can anybody on the inside tell me what this ‘vetting’ looks like, and how it would have caught Benton before selection?
I think caution is advised with the overall drift here, because it could be read as saying ‘not a member of the political class’, ‘didn’t go to university’ etc..
I would like to see the widest possible range of voices in politics, even if the progressive elite turns their nose up at people like Lee Anderson. Some of them will screw up, but many of those who survive in politics are hardly free from ‘sin’. Lying, cheating and abuse of power seem to go with the territory.
Peter Scott
1 year ago
Surely the real reason why the new Conservative MPs have failed and (in several cases) fallen by the wayside is that Boris Johnson failed entirely – and perhaps very deliberately – to ‘read the room’, see the clear message voters had sent the House of Commons in 2019, and governed very much as if he was David Cameron or Theresa May; a stooge of many wrong vested interests, only wanting power for self-aggrandisement and with no populist vision for his country.
The behaviour that John Oxley here describes always follows in the wake of a total failure of necessary leadership.
Elected representatives sink their differences, come together and work dynamically when they have a leader who is clear-sighted, tough, forthright and addressing the real issues of the day.
Peter Scott
1 year ago
Surely the real reason why the new Conservative MPs have failed and (in several cases) fallen by the wayside is that Boris Johnson failed entirely – and perhaps very deliberately – to ‘read the room’, see the clear message voters had sent the House of Commons in 2019, and governed very much as if he was David Cameron or Theresa May; a stooge of many wrong vested interests, only wanting power for self-aggrandisement and with no populist vision for his country.
The behaviour that John Oxley here describes always follows in the wake of a total failure of necessary leadership.
Elected representatives sink their differences, come together and work dynamically when they have a leader who is clear-sighted, tough, forthright and addressing the real issues of the day.
Sam Hill
1 year ago
Doesn’t this all rather suggest though that the realignment, if indeed there was one, from the 2016 referendum was rather built on sand?
Or, more pertinently, if there was a realignment then those who drove it were not able to sustain it?
Sam Hill
1 year ago
Doesn’t this all rather suggest though that the realignment, if indeed there was one, from the 2016 referendum was rather built on sand?
Or, more pertinently, if there was a realignment then those who drove it were not able to sustain it?
j watson
1 year ago
Long history of MPs on all sides, aware their Party will not win and their political prospects dimmed, seek remuneration opportunities and a last leverage of elected representative status. The ‘sting’ operations are more recent but the behaviour isn’t.
The Tory ‘Red Wall’ was always in danger of subsidence. Too many clashing contradictions in Right Wing/Tory thinking. Tories usually been quite good at maintaining a broad coalition but dishonesty about the trade-offs, accelerated by the fallacies of Brexit, always likely to catch up with a Party in power. The need to ‘deliver’ means you can only re-cycle contradictory slogans and fear driven messages for so long. Public gets worn out by it.
Last edited 1 year ago by j watson
j watson
1 year ago
Long history of MPs on all sides, aware their Party will not win and their political prospects dimmed, seek remuneration opportunities and a last leverage of elected representative status. The ‘sting’ operations are more recent but the behaviour isn’t.
The Tory ‘Red Wall’ was always in danger of subsidence. Too many clashing contradictions in Right Wing/Tory thinking. Tories usually been quite good at maintaining a broad coalition but dishonesty about the trade-offs, accelerated by the fallacies of Brexit, always likely to catch up with a Party in power. The need to ‘deliver’ means you can only re-cycle contradictory slogans and fear driven messages for so long. Public gets worn out by it.
Last edited 1 year ago by j watson
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
the more ” leounge settee toylitte” Mastubatory MPs that go the better: i’m so bored of having life dictated by hybrid IT line manager/ servant offspring crosses.
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
the more ” leounge settee toylitte” Mastubatory MPs that go the better: i’m so bored of having life dictated by hybrid IT line manager/ servant offspring crosses.
“with MPs who were never properly vetted ending up in jail, expelled from the party,”
Can anybody on the inside tell me what this ‘vetting’ looks like, and how it would have caught Benton before selection?
I think caution is advised with the overall drift here, because it could be read as saying ‘not a member of the political class’, ‘didn’t go to university’ etc..
I would like to see the widest possible range of voices in politics, even if the progressive elite turns their nose up at people like Lee Anderson. Some of them will screw up, but many of those who survive in politics are hardly free from ‘sin’. Lying, cheating and abuse of power seem to go with the territory.
This is yet another key ‘crunch’ issue that needs to be debated – exactly what do we expect our elected representatives to bring to the table, e.g. background, qualifications, skills, overall suitabilty for the demands of the job…..how should their salaries be funded?
Quite so. We get the MPs we deserve. How many voters consider the candidates’ personal qualities, integrity, work history, academic achievement, suitability for ministerial office etc, rather than just putting an X next to a party label?
No wonder there is so little talent from which to select Ministers of the Crown.
Quite so. We get the MPs we deserve. How many voters consider the candidates’ personal qualities, integrity, work history, academic achievement, suitability for ministerial office etc, rather than just putting an X next to a party label?
No wonder there is so little talent from which to select Ministers of the Crown.
This is yet another key ‘crunch’ issue that needs to be debated – exactly what do we expect our elected representatives to bring to the table, e.g. background, qualifications, skills, overall suitabilty for the demands of the job…..how should their salaries be funded?
“with MPs who were never properly vetted ending up in jail, expelled from the party,”
Can anybody on the inside tell me what this ‘vetting’ looks like, and how it would have caught Benton before selection?
I think caution is advised with the overall drift here, because it could be read as saying ‘not a member of the political class’, ‘didn’t go to university’ etc..
I would like to see the widest possible range of voices in politics, even if the progressive elite turns their nose up at people like Lee Anderson. Some of them will screw up, but many of those who survive in politics are hardly free from ‘sin’. Lying, cheating and abuse of power seem to go with the territory.
Surely the real reason why the new Conservative MPs have failed and (in several cases) fallen by the wayside is that Boris Johnson failed entirely – and perhaps very deliberately – to ‘read the room’, see the clear message voters had sent the House of Commons in 2019, and governed very much as if he was David Cameron or Theresa May; a stooge of many wrong vested interests, only wanting power for self-aggrandisement and with no populist vision for his country.
The behaviour that John Oxley here describes always follows in the wake of a total failure of necessary leadership.
Elected representatives sink their differences, come together and work dynamically when they have a leader who is clear-sighted, tough, forthright and addressing the real issues of the day.
Surely the real reason why the new Conservative MPs have failed and (in several cases) fallen by the wayside is that Boris Johnson failed entirely – and perhaps very deliberately – to ‘read the room’, see the clear message voters had sent the House of Commons in 2019, and governed very much as if he was David Cameron or Theresa May; a stooge of many wrong vested interests, only wanting power for self-aggrandisement and with no populist vision for his country.
The behaviour that John Oxley here describes always follows in the wake of a total failure of necessary leadership.
Elected representatives sink their differences, come together and work dynamically when they have a leader who is clear-sighted, tough, forthright and addressing the real issues of the day.
Doesn’t this all rather suggest though that the realignment, if indeed there was one, from the 2016 referendum was rather built on sand?
Or, more pertinently, if there was a realignment then those who drove it were not able to sustain it?
Doesn’t this all rather suggest though that the realignment, if indeed there was one, from the 2016 referendum was rather built on sand?
Or, more pertinently, if there was a realignment then those who drove it were not able to sustain it?
Long history of MPs on all sides, aware their Party will not win and their political prospects dimmed, seek remuneration opportunities and a last leverage of elected representative status. The ‘sting’ operations are more recent but the behaviour isn’t.
The Tory ‘Red Wall’ was always in danger of subsidence. Too many clashing contradictions in Right Wing/Tory thinking. Tories usually been quite good at maintaining a broad coalition but dishonesty about the trade-offs, accelerated by the fallacies of Brexit, always likely to catch up with a Party in power. The need to ‘deliver’ means you can only re-cycle contradictory slogans and fear driven messages for so long. Public gets worn out by it.
Long history of MPs on all sides, aware their Party will not win and their political prospects dimmed, seek remuneration opportunities and a last leverage of elected representative status. The ‘sting’ operations are more recent but the behaviour isn’t.
The Tory ‘Red Wall’ was always in danger of subsidence. Too many clashing contradictions in Right Wing/Tory thinking. Tories usually been quite good at maintaining a broad coalition but dishonesty about the trade-offs, accelerated by the fallacies of Brexit, always likely to catch up with a Party in power. The need to ‘deliver’ means you can only re-cycle contradictory slogans and fear driven messages for so long. Public gets worn out by it.
the more ” leounge settee toylitte” Mastubatory MPs that go the better: i’m so bored of having life dictated by hybrid IT line manager/ servant offspring crosses.
the more ” leounge settee toylitte” Mastubatory MPs that go the better: i’m so bored of having life dictated by hybrid IT line manager/ servant offspring crosses.