Mr. Hayes seems bent on inventing or advertising a new boogeyman, as if we hadn’t enough already. Yet, by the end of his article I’m no wiser than I was at the start, still unaware who or what exactly these “Traditionalists” are and what distinguishes them from common-or-garden Fascists or Buddhists or just plain “traditionalists” with a small “t”. In any case, I don’t expect to hear much more about them.
Excellent article. However… just because obvious things are not always meaningful, doesn’t mean that Orange Man is not meaningful
Peter Ryan
4 years ago
I think it’s an interesting point about the nature of history – but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the application to the example of Jeremy Corbyn is accurate. I agree that Corbyn didn’t ‘win the argument’ with regard to the reaction to the pandemic, but I do think you can look at the March 11th budget (i.e. just before the pandemic realisation had really hit the gov.) and see the influence that Corbyn’s leadership has had on UK politics. The successful Starmer leadership bid was to the left of the alleged Marxist (Ed Miliband, the well known revolutionary), yet I reckon few think of him like that. I also think that the political debates we’ve had over the last few years remain relevant and will continue to be relevant after the pandemic – even if, yes, they don’t deserve to be the object of monomania.
Kate H. Armstrong
3 years ago
Thank you Douglas. As always a rational and fact-based analysis. I am startled that there are no responses here … on such a misguided (or deceptive) attitude by so many UK-based members of the journalistic ‘profession’.
For the British Jewish community, a public conversation on Labour’s overt, well-proven, anti-semitism is urgent AND surely the least ‘we’, (as a democratic Nation) owe to a Community which has contributed so much, in so many areas of cultural and professional development?
PS. I am not Jewish but have enjoyed a lifetime of friendship (which included) both creative and intellectual challenge, from members of that Community.
Douglas McNeish
3 years ago
You look past the the spin that the commentariat – however skillfully – present to the public, and pull away the curtain to reveal their true motives. Motives they may not always fully be aware of themselves. You’ve done this in your books, and do it again here. Thank you, Douglas.
Lindsay Gatward
4 years ago
The effortless arogant entitled authoritarian posturing of the likes of Corbyn and Clinton and Junker etc are why the voters don’t like them and their globalist agenda.
Rafael Aguilo
4 years ago
Before you talk about “false cures”, you should be aware of these two examples of how a combination treatment using hydroxychloroquine and Zinc is working. You can also blame the Globalists for any kind of shortage of hydroxychloroquine. That’s a glaring result of countries depending on basically ONE country for the production or manufacture of critical products: https://youtu.be/7r_Z8Alz5PY
Excellent analysis. However, I do take issue with what Peter Franklin has to say about Trump: “He is so different from how we expect a President to behave that we think he’s broken the mould and that US politics will never be the same again.” Actually, the president who really seems to have broken the mould and changed the presidency for at least a generation is Obama. He was a pathological liar who lied about everything from his dying mother’s health insurance coverage to the independence of Kosovo. (He claimed, delusionally, that Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia came only after an internationally monitored referendum.) This led to the 2016 presidential election between a Democratic nominee who claimed to be the war heroine of Tuzla airport in Bosnia, and a Republican nominee, Donald Trump, who at times had claimed his paternal ancestry was Swedish, not German. Now in 2020, the choice is between Trump and Biden. Biden speaks of the Battle of Pristina in 1388, and claims, quite falsely, that he was a hard coal miner, a claim he lifted from a speech by Neil Kinnock. It seems now that Obama has made being a pathological liar, or at least, not being very careful with the truth, a prerequisite for a presidential nomination.
johntshea2
4 years ago
Hydroxychloroquine is a cheap and largely safe drug first introduced in 1955 and out of patent for decades. The Israeli drug company Teva recently GAVE away tens of milions of doses to US hospitals. Production of the drug can and should be vastly increased, There is no excuse for a shortage.
Scott Allan
4 years ago
Trump simply did not “tout as a miricle cure”. This is a false statement. I suggest you switch off the BBC, CNN and Guardian. His exact words were “treatment for extreme cases was looking promising”. The context was at a press beifing as a small comment amongst a myriad of strategies being applied. But as usual the FAKE NEWS twisted it to make people like you believe what you are saying.
I hope every person that uses and needs these two drugs to maintain their amenity of health get it. But I can hardly blame people for for the rush. Certainly there are many overreactions such as buying toilet paper.
As the previous commentor mentioned there is no reason for anything but a breif shortage and hopefully the NHS will be sensible and prioritize historical users and acute patients.
I wish you well but I think the finger pointing and hostility is misplaced.
Mr. Hayes seems bent on inventing or advertising a new boogeyman, as if we hadn’t enough already. Yet, by the end of his article I’m no wiser than I was at the start, still unaware who or what exactly these “Traditionalists” are and what distinguishes them from common-or-garden Fascists or Buddhists or just plain “traditionalists” with a small “t”. In any case, I don’t expect to hear much more about them.
Well, he does announce its obscurity in the title…
True!
Excellent article.
However… just because obvious things are not always meaningful, doesn’t mean that Orange Man is not meaningful
I think it’s an interesting point about the nature of history – but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the application to the example of Jeremy Corbyn is accurate. I agree that Corbyn didn’t ‘win the argument’ with regard to the reaction to the pandemic, but I do think you can look at the March 11th budget (i.e. just before the pandemic realisation had really hit the gov.) and see the influence that Corbyn’s leadership has had on UK politics. The successful Starmer leadership bid was to the left of the alleged Marxist (Ed Miliband, the well known revolutionary), yet I reckon few think of him like that. I also think that the political debates we’ve had over the last few years remain relevant and will continue to be relevant after the pandemic – even if, yes, they don’t deserve to be the object of monomania.
Thank you Douglas. As always a rational and fact-based analysis. I am startled that there are no responses here … on such a misguided (or deceptive) attitude by so many UK-based members of the journalistic ‘profession’.
For the British Jewish community, a public conversation on Labour’s overt, well-proven, anti-semitism is urgent AND surely the least ‘we’, (as a democratic Nation) owe to a Community which has contributed so much, in so many areas of cultural and professional development?
PS. I am not Jewish but have enjoyed a lifetime of friendship (which included) both creative and intellectual challenge, from members of that Community.
You look past the the spin that the commentariat – however skillfully – present to the public, and pull away the curtain to reveal their true motives. Motives they may not always fully be aware of themselves. You’ve done this in your books, and do it again here. Thank you, Douglas.
The effortless arogant entitled authoritarian posturing of the likes of Corbyn and Clinton and Junker etc are why the voters don’t like them and their globalist agenda.
Before you talk about “false cures”, you should be aware of these two examples of how a combination treatment using hydroxychloroquine and Zinc is working. You can also blame the Globalists for any kind of shortage of hydroxychloroquine. That’s a glaring result of countries depending on basically ONE country for the production or manufacture of critical products:
https://youtu.be/7r_Z8Alz5PY
https://abc7.com/health/la-…
Excellent analysis. However, I do take issue with what Peter Franklin has to say about Trump: “He is so different from how we expect a President to behave that we think he’s broken the mould and that US politics will never be the same again.” Actually, the president who really seems to have broken the mould and changed the presidency for at least a generation is Obama. He was a pathological liar who lied about everything from his dying mother’s health insurance coverage to the independence of Kosovo. (He claimed, delusionally, that Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia came only after an internationally monitored referendum.) This led to the 2016 presidential election between a Democratic nominee who claimed to be the war heroine of Tuzla airport in Bosnia, and a Republican nominee, Donald Trump, who at times had claimed his paternal ancestry was Swedish, not German. Now in 2020, the choice is between Trump and Biden. Biden speaks of the Battle of Pristina in 1388, and claims, quite falsely, that he was a hard coal miner, a claim he lifted from a speech by Neil Kinnock. It seems now that Obama has made being a pathological liar, or at least, not being very careful with the truth, a prerequisite for a presidential nomination.
Hydroxychloroquine is a cheap and largely safe drug first introduced in 1955 and out of patent for decades. The Israeli drug company Teva recently GAVE away tens of milions of doses to US hospitals. Production of the drug can and should be vastly increased, There is no excuse for a shortage.
Trump simply did not “tout as a miricle cure”. This is a false statement. I suggest you switch off the BBC, CNN and Guardian. His exact words were “treatment for extreme cases was looking promising”. The context was at a press beifing as a small comment amongst a myriad of strategies being applied. But as usual the FAKE NEWS twisted it to make people like you believe what you are saying.
I hope every person that uses and needs these two drugs to maintain their amenity of health get it. But I can hardly blame people for for the rush. Certainly there are many overreactions such as buying toilet paper.
As the previous commentor mentioned there is no reason for anything but a breif shortage and hopefully the NHS will be sensible and prioritize historical users and acute patients.
I wish you well but I think the finger pointing and hostility is misplaced.