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Nik Jewell
Nik Jewell
1 year ago

The only thing limiting this from constantly scanning all of us is that we don’t have biometric digital ID yet.
Please resist it when your government (Starmer will finish Sunak’s WEF mission here) tries to impose it on you. At first, it will likely be ‘optional’ and ‘for your convenience’, but very quickly, you will find yourself excluded from society for being a refusenik. It is the key to the digital panopticon, and the CBDCs cannot work without it.
We can resist it if many refuse it (like the Poll Tax).

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Nik Jewell

Why do you have to drag in the talking shop of the WEF into your argument? You weaken a good case by making it into a non existent conspiracy and making those concerned sound like nutters.

The WEF is an influential forum, though as has been discussed on UnHerd before, often following fashions rather than setting them, whether neoliberalism, the security system or environmental issues. No one is giving the British government orders on this.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Nik Jewell

Why do you have to drag in the talking shop of the WEF into your argument? You weaken a good case by making it into a non existent conspiracy and making those concerned sound like nutters.

The WEF is an influential forum, though as has been discussed on UnHerd before, often following fashions rather than setting them, whether neoliberalism, the security system or environmental issues. No one is giving the British government orders on this.

Nik Jewell
Nik Jewell
1 year ago

The only thing limiting this from constantly scanning all of us is that we don’t have biometric digital ID yet.
Please resist it when your government (Starmer will finish Sunak’s WEF mission here) tries to impose it on you. At first, it will likely be ‘optional’ and ‘for your convenience’, but very quickly, you will find yourself excluded from society for being a refusenik. It is the key to the digital panopticon, and the CBDCs cannot work without it.
We can resist it if many refuse it (like the Poll Tax).

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago

Now is a good time to buy a burka

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Stay away from cities and large towns and assume the worst of every official you come into contact with . Learn to travel using back routes and learn to read maps. Ignore the stupid argument about nothing to fear if ——–. it is the state I fear and the zombies who serve it. Use cash and never ever trust them again. If you did not learn this the last 3 years then you were not paying attention.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Self identifying as a female?

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

If you can’t beat them…

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

If you can’t beat them…

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Less drastic… the V for Vendetta Guy Fawkes mask.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Stay away from cities and large towns and assume the worst of every official you come into contact with . Learn to travel using back routes and learn to read maps. Ignore the stupid argument about nothing to fear if ——–. it is the state I fear and the zombies who serve it. Use cash and never ever trust them again. If you did not learn this the last 3 years then you were not paying attention.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Self identifying as a female?

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Less drastic… the V for Vendetta Guy Fawkes mask.

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago

Now is a good time to buy a burka

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

What a surprise for the Pipls National Socialist Republic of HewKay nu britn… Our gutless, cowardly, amoral cringing fear, and lack of appreciation of centuries of freedom has just handed dystopia to our politicians and police… We should be ashamed, and look at how the lgbt/racism/ecosandaloidtotalitarians have taken over precisely because they made themselves heard, whilst we all cringed..in indolent idle quisling like inertia….

RM Parker
RM Parker
1 year ago

Didn’t Thomas Jefferson say something along the lines of “those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither, and will lose both”? I can’t recall the exact wording nor the context, but the sentiment seems apposite…

RM Parker
RM Parker
1 year ago

Didn’t Thomas Jefferson say something along the lines of “those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither, and will lose both”? I can’t recall the exact wording nor the context, but the sentiment seems apposite…

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

What a surprise for the Pipls National Socialist Republic of HewKay nu britn… Our gutless, cowardly, amoral cringing fear, and lack of appreciation of centuries of freedom has just handed dystopia to our politicians and police… We should be ashamed, and look at how the lgbt/racism/ecosandaloidtotalitarians have taken over precisely because they made themselves heard, whilst we all cringed..in indolent idle quisling like inertia….

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago

Do we know for sure they don’t keep records of their LFR usage – or are we just taking their word for it?

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago

Do we know for sure they don’t keep records of their LFR usage – or are we just taking their word for it?

Ian P
Ian P
1 year ago

I feel instinctively uneasy about this technology, but I’m unsure about some of the claims against it. If your face is scanned as you pass the van but you are not identified by this process (unless you are on the watchlist) and the data is not saved, how is that ‘equivalent to asking to see every person’s ID’ or intrusion into your freedom of movement? I may be missing something here but shouldn’t I feel more concerned about the use and abuse of data about me that is saved?

Last edited 1 year ago by Ian P
Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian P

Agreed. As long as the info is instantly forgotten I personally don’t have a problem with it. If the information is recorded however then that’s a whole different ball game

RM Parker
RM Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

My thoughts precisely: “where to from here?”. If the possibility exists (to retain data), the temptation to exercise it surely does too. It is at least very concerning.

RM Parker
RM Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

My thoughts precisely: “where to from here?”. If the possibility exists (to retain data), the temptation to exercise it surely does too. It is at least very concerning.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian P

Agreed. As long as the info is instantly forgotten I personally don’t have a problem with it. If the information is recorded however then that’s a whole different ball game

Ian P
Ian P
1 year ago

I feel instinctively uneasy about this technology, but I’m unsure about some of the claims against it. If your face is scanned as you pass the van but you are not identified by this process (unless you are on the watchlist) and the data is not saved, how is that ‘equivalent to asking to see every person’s ID’ or intrusion into your freedom of movement? I may be missing something here but shouldn’t I feel more concerned about the use and abuse of data about me that is saved?

Last edited 1 year ago by Ian P
William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago

The government, civil service, border force and police are bloody useless and inefficient at everything they do.
So maybe it’s not as bad as it could be.

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago

The government, civil service, border force and police are bloody useless and inefficient at everything they do.
So maybe it’s not as bad as it could be.

Michael Layman
Michael Layman
1 year ago

It is all part of an insidious technological breach of our privacy. All your actions will soon be known to the powers that be. Look at how much is known about an individual in the last 25 years with the explosion of technology. In 25 more years we will be living in 1984 at best.

Michael Layman
Michael Layman
1 year ago

It is all part of an insidious technological breach of our privacy. All your actions will soon be known to the powers that be. Look at how much is known about an individual in the last 25 years with the explosion of technology. In 25 more years we will be living in 1984 at best.