I speak to HGV drivers and work with haulage companies. I can confirm that there is a critical shortage of drivers in the UK, and that haulage companies are raising wages (substantially) to poach drivers from the competition. It turns out you dont need a union for fair wages, just Brexit to (partially) eliminate the infinite supply of cheap foreign labour and covid to paralyse the licence issuing state.
But…but…I was told EEA immigration didn’t suppress wages.
You don’t mean I was lied to by academics?
Matt B
2 years ago
Switched to HGV for Covid paying £3500 (kit and IT on top) to train. Despite high demand youl face high initial and continuing education costs (with state test examiners never available) then low pay, erratic work; long hours in unsociable unhealthy work sector; stroppy road users; high legal liability; agency working under new IR35 tax rules (no self-employment); and low sector image and solidarity. It’s a fuel/wage driven industry avoiding investment, reform and adaptation. May change, but the headline pay rates.are often for weekend/night shifts. In a fickle industry with wage stagnation it’s a miracle anyone wants to do 56 hrs a week. E Europe workers left partly because of tax rules but also Brexit. Hauliers trying to pressure govt to solve problems that it could address by giving people a career with better pay, conditions and prospects.
I actually loaned my truck driver friend his money to go to truck driving school (HGV) in USA, about 6 years ago. It was $14,000, the class was a several weeks, and as you finished you were actively recruited, and every one finishing got a job right out of school. He went right to Over The Road where you live in a truck with a sleeper cab (full micro apartment, pretty amazing – with a generator so climate control and everything but a shower).
These are all those Trucks you see on the USA highways – and the pay is good, I think he makes $70,000 a year now – but all he does is drive, never home, coast to coast and everywhere. He did have to work up to it – but pay was good, he soon paid me off.
Local trucks pay a lot less (Over the road are paid by the Mile, so you drive all the legal hours – but if you get bad scheduling and have a lot of down time it falls fast.) but still the 18 wheeler pay real wages – delivery trucks a lot less.
A quick search shows
“The average salary for a truck driver is $67,524 per year in the United States.” so he is average. But I am sure this is for big rigs.
PS, a number of the other in his class were developing world students, come up with all that money plus expenses (they do boarding packages as well) because they can get top pay jobs in their countries driving for foreign companies if they hold the USA CDL license – as often the overseas Western companies do not trust their expensive rigs to just anyone.
Sounds about right. American trucking is better, and the landscape and open road gives it a better image/allure. Peterbilts look the business too. We don’t have those distances except for EU driving, and accompanying channel crossing paperwork/migrant stowaway prosecution issues
Last edited 2 years ago by Matt B
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Driving an 18 wheel rig in USA pays well – I have a friend who drives over the road, living in this truck. Is it really true the pay is low (I remember UK rigs are 16 wheel – but the big ones) in UK? I cannot understand that as it is essentially a skilled trade. I do understand how car drivers pay low though, as it is not anything like as skilled a trade so the competition is much greater.
The demand is lower as the distances are smaller for internal UK trade. There is a Europe wide haulage market but that faces competition from lower wage countries in a way that doesn’t exist in the US where I suppose the only real competitors are the equally well paid Canadians.
James Joyce
2 years ago
I don’t understand this and share Sanford Artzen’s befuddlement. Pay for lorry drivers in the US is high, and there is supposedly a shortage, which will lead to higher wages, unless the gap is filled by desperate immigrants willing to work for less, as is often the case in the US. The virtually unlimited pressure from immigrants from the Third World is virtually guaranteed to keep wages low or lower than they would be in a free market.
I heard recently on BBC that many lorry drivers had returned to Europe after BREXIT. Is this part of the problem?
And yet again I agree with Sanford Artzen that lorry drivers and Uber/Bolt drivers are very different.
Ben Pattinson
2 years ago
The use of agencies by large distribution companies, for the sakes of convenience, without adequate oversight on what those agencies pay their drivers, is a serious problem here.
William MacDougall
2 years ago
The article has a fundamental misunderstanding about pay and conditions in an economy. Trade unions redistribute income from the unprotected to the protected, or from unemployed to employed; they don’t increase overall earnings. The main reasons workers’ pay has increased over the last 200 years has been increased average productivity, and scarcity of labour.
I speak to HGV drivers and work with haulage companies. I can confirm that there is a critical shortage of drivers in the UK, and that haulage companies are raising wages (substantially) to poach drivers from the competition. It turns out you dont need a union for fair wages, just Brexit to (partially) eliminate the infinite supply of cheap foreign labour and covid to paralyse the licence issuing state.
Yes this story contradicts numerous other ones I have read about HGV drivers salaries going through the roof.
But…but…I was told EEA immigration didn’t suppress wages.
You don’t mean I was lied to by academics?
Switched to HGV for Covid paying £3500 (kit and IT on top) to train. Despite high demand youl face high initial and continuing education costs (with state test examiners never available) then low pay, erratic work; long hours in unsociable unhealthy work sector; stroppy road users; high legal liability; agency working under new IR35 tax rules (no self-employment); and low sector image and solidarity. It’s a fuel/wage driven industry avoiding investment, reform and adaptation. May change, but the headline pay rates.are often for weekend/night shifts. In a fickle industry with wage stagnation it’s a miracle anyone wants to do 56 hrs a week. E Europe workers left partly because of tax rules but also Brexit. Hauliers trying to pressure govt to solve problems that it could address by giving people a career with better pay, conditions and prospects.
I actually loaned my truck driver friend his money to go to truck driving school (HGV) in USA, about 6 years ago. It was $14,000, the class was a several weeks, and as you finished you were actively recruited, and every one finishing got a job right out of school. He went right to Over The Road where you live in a truck with a sleeper cab (full micro apartment, pretty amazing – with a generator so climate control and everything but a shower).
These are all those Trucks you see on the USA highways – and the pay is good, I think he makes $70,000 a year now – but all he does is drive, never home, coast to coast and everywhere. He did have to work up to it – but pay was good, he soon paid me off.
Local trucks pay a lot less (Over the road are paid by the Mile, so you drive all the legal hours – but if you get bad scheduling and have a lot of down time it falls fast.) but still the 18 wheeler pay real wages – delivery trucks a lot less.
A quick search shows
“The average salary for a truck driver is $67,524 per year in the United States.” so he is average. But I am sure this is for big rigs.
PS, a number of the other in his class were developing world students, come up with all that money plus expenses (they do boarding packages as well) because they can get top pay jobs in their countries driving for foreign companies if they hold the USA CDL license – as often the overseas Western companies do not trust their expensive rigs to just anyone.
Sounds about right. American trucking is better, and the landscape and open road gives it a better image/allure. Peterbilts look the business too. We don’t have those distances except for EU driving, and accompanying channel crossing paperwork/migrant stowaway prosecution issues
Driving an 18 wheel rig in USA pays well – I have a friend who drives over the road, living in this truck. Is it really true the pay is low (I remember UK rigs are 16 wheel – but the big ones) in UK? I cannot understand that as it is essentially a skilled trade. I do understand how car drivers pay low though, as it is not anything like as skilled a trade so the competition is much greater.
The demand is lower as the distances are smaller for internal UK trade. There is a Europe wide haulage market but that faces competition from lower wage countries in a way that doesn’t exist in the US where I suppose the only real competitors are the equally well paid Canadians.
I don’t understand this and share Sanford Artzen’s befuddlement. Pay for lorry drivers in the US is high, and there is supposedly a shortage, which will lead to higher wages, unless the gap is filled by desperate immigrants willing to work for less, as is often the case in the US. The virtually unlimited pressure from immigrants from the Third World is virtually guaranteed to keep wages low or lower than they would be in a free market.
I heard recently on BBC that many lorry drivers had returned to Europe after BREXIT. Is this part of the problem?
And yet again I agree with Sanford Artzen that lorry drivers and Uber/Bolt drivers are very different.
The use of agencies by large distribution companies, for the sakes of convenience, without adequate oversight on what those agencies pay their drivers, is a serious problem here.
The article has a fundamental misunderstanding about pay and conditions in an economy. Trade unions redistribute income from the unprotected to the protected, or from unemployed to employed; they don’t increase overall earnings. The main reasons workers’ pay has increased over the last 200 years has been increased average productivity, and scarcity of labour.
Hmm.
So unions don’t increase labour’s share of GDP at the share of capital?
And unions don’t (artificially) restrict the supply of labour to increase wages?
And what’s this ‘lump sum of wages’ you seem to cite?