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polidori redux
polidori redux
9 months ago

“European populism, therefore, is an unseemly mess, incapable of uniting to get things done. Which may be the most European thing about it.”
Perhaps these populists are national populists, inclined to put national considerations above the conformism of the EU. Why should they unite, as that is not what they are about?
Ominous for the EU.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
9 months ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Well said. These parties are putting the needs of their countries first.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
9 months ago
Reply to  polidori redux

The quoted statement reveals the author’s basic misunderstanding of the populist movement. The populist movement is not a traditional political movement at all, but a reaction to globalist overreach and a resistance of people being reduced to powerless pawns in the hands of the super rich and multinational corporations, who are increasingly making the important decisions that used to fall to elected governments. Being a reactionary movement, populism does not follow the established behavior of ‘normal’ political parties, which are tied to particular issues or platforms and can be easily categorized in the existing political spectrum. Normal parties build from a small group with a similar set of ideals. They start locally, win elections, then expand, branch out, bring in like minded groups through their success, gradually expand their tent, reaching compromises with other groups, building coalitions of power, etc., and maybe eventually becoming a dominant party such as the author describes. Populists, on the other hand, are an inherently local movement pushing for more local, decentralized control, so of course they look wildly different in different countries with different histories, cultures, and issues of concern. So far, they have found most success in the right leaning parties, and so are perceived as being a right wing movement, but there is no guarantee this state of affairs will continue. Left leaning parties will eventually feel the populist push as well, because there is no populist agenda, no populist platform, no political hill where they plant their flag and declare themselves. Defeat one and another pops up two hills over, because they appear wherever there is an undercurrent of anti-elite sentiment and where trust in the existing parties and existing power structures is low, and where isn’t that that the case? They are more properly viewed as a nascent revolutionary movement finding outlet within established political systems. No amount of politicking will defeat populism, nor will it be assimilated easily into existing party systems. It is very much an out of context problem for today’s elites, who seem incapable of comprehending that this political monster is just a mirror of themselves, a perfect foil that opposes whatever move they make. It will continue to exist as long as they do. It will only cease to be a political force when they cease to be a political force.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Very interesting summary and analysis. You’ve given me a lot to consider.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Very interesting summary and analysis. You’ve given me a lot to consider.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
9 months ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Well said. These parties are putting the needs of their countries first.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
9 months ago
Reply to  polidori redux

The quoted statement reveals the author’s basic misunderstanding of the populist movement. The populist movement is not a traditional political movement at all, but a reaction to globalist overreach and a resistance of people being reduced to powerless pawns in the hands of the super rich and multinational corporations, who are increasingly making the important decisions that used to fall to elected governments. Being a reactionary movement, populism does not follow the established behavior of ‘normal’ political parties, which are tied to particular issues or platforms and can be easily categorized in the existing political spectrum. Normal parties build from a small group with a similar set of ideals. They start locally, win elections, then expand, branch out, bring in like minded groups through their success, gradually expand their tent, reaching compromises with other groups, building coalitions of power, etc., and maybe eventually becoming a dominant party such as the author describes. Populists, on the other hand, are an inherently local movement pushing for more local, decentralized control, so of course they look wildly different in different countries with different histories, cultures, and issues of concern. So far, they have found most success in the right leaning parties, and so are perceived as being a right wing movement, but there is no guarantee this state of affairs will continue. Left leaning parties will eventually feel the populist push as well, because there is no populist agenda, no populist platform, no political hill where they plant their flag and declare themselves. Defeat one and another pops up two hills over, because they appear wherever there is an undercurrent of anti-elite sentiment and where trust in the existing parties and existing power structures is low, and where isn’t that that the case? They are more properly viewed as a nascent revolutionary movement finding outlet within established political systems. No amount of politicking will defeat populism, nor will it be assimilated easily into existing party systems. It is very much an out of context problem for today’s elites, who seem incapable of comprehending that this political monster is just a mirror of themselves, a perfect foil that opposes whatever move they make. It will continue to exist as long as they do. It will only cease to be a political force when they cease to be a political force.

polidori redux
polidori redux
9 months ago

“European populism, therefore, is an unseemly mess, incapable of uniting to get things done. Which may be the most European thing about it.”
Perhaps these populists are national populists, inclined to put national considerations above the conformism of the EU. Why should they unite, as that is not what they are about?
Ominous for the EU.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
9 months ago

“The ECR tends to be strongly pro-Nato, while the ID group is more sympathetic to Moscow.”

Are they sympathetic to Moscow, or just opposed to the war in Ukraine?

Roger Inkpen
Roger Inkpen
9 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I’d have thought if you were pro-Moscow, you would also be pro-war?

Roger Inkpen
Roger Inkpen
9 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I’d have thought if you were pro-Moscow, you would also be pro-war?

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
9 months ago

“The ECR tends to be strongly pro-Nato, while the ID group is more sympathetic to Moscow.”

Are they sympathetic to Moscow, or just opposed to the war in Ukraine?

R Wright
R Wright
9 months ago

“They now have a chance to remake the whole of the EU in their image.”
Given that the EU Parliament has zero power, this isn’t the case at all.

R Wright
R Wright
9 months ago

“They now have a chance to remake the whole of the EU in their image.”
Given that the EU Parliament has zero power, this isn’t the case at all.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
9 months ago

‘The Right’, ‘The Left’, LBGT+, BAME etc.; all these so-called movements and communities beloved of intellectuals and commentaors are artificial categories that do not exist in the material world.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
9 months ago

‘The Right’, ‘The Left’, LBGT+, BAME etc.; all these so-called movements and communities beloved of intellectuals and commentaors are artificial categories that do not exist in the material world.

Mark Kennedy
Mark Kennedy
9 months ago

(?) Populists of the right have traditionally been mavericks and fierce individualists, marching to the beat of their own drummers: all that’s ever really united them are their antipathy for big government and the homogenizing forces of internationalism and cosmopolitanism. Why would anybody expect this to eradicate the profound differences between a German populist intent on preserving village traditions, and a Greek populist who’s simply concerned about getting enough to eat–never mind an American populist who’s persuaded life would be better if only he could shoot all bureaucrats?

Mark Kennedy
Mark Kennedy
9 months ago

(?) Populists of the right have traditionally been mavericks and fierce individualists, marching to the beat of their own drummers: all that’s ever really united them are their antipathy for big government and the homogenizing forces of internationalism and cosmopolitanism. Why would anybody expect this to eradicate the profound differences between a German populist intent on preserving village traditions, and a Greek populist who’s simply concerned about getting enough to eat–never mind an American populist who’s persuaded life would be better if only he could shoot all bureaucrats?

j watson
j watson
9 months ago

Is not the key phrase used by the Author – ‘it’s when they do reach power that the populists really come unstuck’.
And of course no clearer example than in our UK with the Brexit shambles and simultaneous increase in net migration! You really couldn’t make it up.
If you lie via your Populist slogans and do not get on the level about the trade offs, timescales for practical policy solutions and the need for strong multi-national collaboration to solve many of our problems you will inevitably come unstuck and disappoint.
There are legit right of centre responses to many of our collective european problems. Over promising and lying Populism just creates even more dissatisfaction. At some point you got to grow up and talk to your electorate like an adult.

j watson
j watson
9 months ago

Is not the key phrase used by the Author – ‘it’s when they do reach power that the populists really come unstuck’.
And of course no clearer example than in our UK with the Brexit shambles and simultaneous increase in net migration! You really couldn’t make it up.
If you lie via your Populist slogans and do not get on the level about the trade offs, timescales for practical policy solutions and the need for strong multi-national collaboration to solve many of our problems you will inevitably come unstuck and disappoint.
There are legit right of centre responses to many of our collective european problems. Over promising and lying Populism just creates even more dissatisfaction. At some point you got to grow up and talk to your electorate like an adult.