Can we put some substance behind this article… What percentages of these populations are we talking about here? Do these countries have the same virtue-signalling, vaccuous, morally bankrupt idiots that the UK has? How many are deploying to Ukraine to fight?
So unless the Poles etc volunteer en masse to fight the Russians, you have no time for them?
You don’t you tell us what YOU think should be the response to the Russian aggression. It’s not an easy call, is it? Are ‘vacuous, morally bankrupt etc etc’ people in the West just people you don’t happen to agree with?
The proportion of ANY population, ever, who volunteer to fight in a war in another country is pretty tiny, so what that proves I don’t know. But that the Eastern Europeans are taking an anti Russian line is interesting.
Jacob Mason
2 years ago
I would like to know which eastern European nations have air forces that could actually challenge the Russians…
There’s only one and it’s on the other side of the Atlantic. These NATO-aligned Eastern European nations are just doing their bidding of their American masters.
This is one of the most ill-informed comments ever made on this forum! I know some people have an almost unhinged anti-Americanism, but Poland under its current administration simply doing what America under Joe Biden tells it? You must be having a laugh.
Big picture here, of recent would be hegemonic powers, the Soviet Union (killed millions), Nazi Germany (killed millions), Maoist China (killed millions), supporting the United States (which did not!) for all its faults should be a no-brainer.
Are you saying that UK has, or France or (lets have a lough, Germany) ?
This is the purpose of NATO, common defence.
No individual country apart from USA can take on Russia on its own.
The Russian airforce does not seem very impressive, given it is incapable of gaining air supremacy even over Ukraine. It appears they are incapable of actually flying effective SEAD missions.
Martin Logan
2 years ago
This is pretty much what we should expect at this point in the war from just about all European nations.
Who wants to be on the side of an incompetent war-criminal who’s losing?
Given the failure of Putin’s offensive on all fronts, it’s a combination of fear, and desiring to be on the winning side.
Your two explanations are contradictory. If Putin is obviously going to lose there is no fear factor. In fact, sadly, the Russians have a lot more force they can deploy, including the destruction of many more entire cities.
Victoria Cooper
2 years ago
Does being a member of NATO mean that you are not free to fight anyone of your own volition?
Ian Stewart
2 years ago
“The Prime Ministers of the Czech Republic, Poland and Slovenia made a risky visit to war-torn Kyiv this week” The purpose of their visit was to draw NATO into the theatre, just like the reason Poland wanted to supply MIG aircraft via a USA base in Germany. But we can’t get involved any further than we are. Ukraine is the equivalent of the Spartans at Thermopylae, and we’ll have to accept their sacrifice for our long term good – western unity, re-arming, etc in anticipation of the long term cultural conflict with China.
We have to accept Ukraine’s willingness to sacrifice their lives by supplying them with more anti-tank weapons & drones than the Russians have tanks and artillery pieces. Never forget that the Russian economy is smaller than Italy, so they cannot keep endlessly building $10m tanks when they are being killed by $2m Bayraktar drones or $200k Javelin ATGWs or $20k NLAWs.
The Spartans died at Thermopylae but the Greeks did end up winning that war.
Perry de Havilland
2 years ago
“It might seem surprising that countries which remember suffering at the hands of Russia — and which would see themselves as the Kremlin’s next potential victims if Ukraine falls — should be so bellicose. “ As the risk of stating the obvious, “suffering at the hands of Russia” is exactly *why* they are so bellicose.
Sean Meister
2 years ago
The proof is in the pudding. Ukraine has called on foreign volunteers to fight the Russians. So, is the appetite for war in Prague genuine? If so when can we expect the Czech Legion to arrive in Ukraine? How about a revival of the famous Latvian Rifles? Or is this all just sabre-rattling to earn some “good boy” points with the Americans?
Can we put some substance behind this article… What percentages of these populations are we talking about here? Do these countries have the same virtue-signalling, vaccuous, morally bankrupt idiots that the UK has? How many are deploying to Ukraine to fight?
So unless the Poles etc volunteer en masse to fight the Russians, you have no time for them?
You don’t you tell us what YOU think should be the response to the Russian aggression. It’s not an easy call, is it? Are ‘vacuous, morally bankrupt etc etc’ people in the West just people you don’t happen to agree with?
The proportion of ANY population, ever, who volunteer to fight in a war in another country is pretty tiny, so what that proves I don’t know. But that the Eastern Europeans are taking an anti Russian line is interesting.
I would like to know which eastern European nations have air forces that could actually challenge the Russians…
All the ones in NATO could, and if Russia gets bogged down in Ukraine for too long they might not have much of an Air Force left
There’s only one and it’s on the other side of the Atlantic. These NATO-aligned Eastern European nations are just doing their bidding of their American masters.
Say that to their faces. You’ve never lived next door to an enormously powerful country with a history of invading and enslaving you.
This is one of the most ill-informed comments ever made on this forum! I know some people have an almost unhinged anti-Americanism, but Poland under its current administration simply doing what America under Joe Biden tells it? You must be having a laugh.
Big picture here, of recent would be hegemonic powers, the Soviet Union (killed millions), Nazi Germany (killed millions), Maoist China (killed millions), supporting the United States (which did not!) for all its faults should be a no-brainer.
Judging by the abjectness of the Russian army and air force, I reckon most East European nations would be beginning to fancy their chances.
Are you saying that UK has, or France or (lets have a lough, Germany) ?
This is the purpose of NATO, common defence.
No individual country apart from USA can take on Russia on its own.
The Russian airforce does not seem very impressive, given it is incapable of gaining air supremacy even over Ukraine. It appears they are incapable of actually flying effective SEAD missions.
This is pretty much what we should expect at this point in the war from just about all European nations.
Who wants to be on the side of an incompetent war-criminal who’s losing?
Given the failure of Putin’s offensive on all fronts, it’s a combination of fear, and desiring to be on the winning side.
Your two explanations are contradictory. If Putin is obviously going to lose there is no fear factor. In fact, sadly, the Russians have a lot more force they can deploy, including the destruction of many more entire cities.
Does being a member of NATO mean that you are not free to fight anyone of your own volition?
“The Prime Ministers of the Czech Republic, Poland and Slovenia made a risky visit to war-torn Kyiv this week”
The purpose of their visit was to draw NATO into the theatre, just like the reason Poland wanted to supply MIG aircraft via a USA base in Germany.
But we can’t get involved any further than we are. Ukraine is the equivalent of the Spartans at Thermopylae, and we’ll have to accept their sacrifice for our long term good – western unity, re-arming, etc in anticipation of the long term cultural conflict with China.
We have to accept Ukraine’s willingness to sacrifice their lives by supplying them with more anti-tank weapons & drones than the Russians have tanks and artillery pieces. Never forget that the Russian economy is smaller than Italy, so they cannot keep endlessly building $10m tanks when they are being killed by $2m Bayraktar drones or $200k Javelin ATGWs or $20k NLAWs.
The Spartans died at Thermopylae but the Greeks did end up winning that war.
“It might seem surprising that countries which remember suffering at the hands of Russia — and which would see themselves as the Kremlin’s next potential victims if Ukraine falls — should be so bellicose. “
As the risk of stating the obvious, “suffering at the hands of Russia” is exactly *why* they are so bellicose.
The proof is in the pudding. Ukraine has called on foreign volunteers to fight the Russians. So, is the appetite for war in Prague genuine? If so when can we expect the Czech Legion to arrive in Ukraine? How about a revival of the famous Latvian Rifles? Or is this all just sabre-rattling to earn some “good boy” points with the Americans?
Russia has called in fighters from Syria and Wagner so what’s the difference?
You try living next door to Russia. My friends in Estonia are genuinely frightened of Putin.
Article does not say that Czech citizens are training to fight in Ukraine.
They are getting weapons training and signing up for sort of Home Guard.