There was a great article by Freddie here on 4th February 2021 “Inside the Zero Covid campaign”, which should serve as a permanent record of what Devi Sridhar, Tomas Ryan and their ilk were campaigning for in 2021, when vaccine rollout was in full swing.
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Paul Smithson
2 years ago
Many people are rewriting history as they slowly wake up and realise those they called conspiracy theorists were right all along.
Not so long ago talk of a lab leak from a Wuhan lab was borderline treason. Now it is accepted as pretty much fact
Amazingly in 2020 anyone who said that there’d end up being COVID pass was ridiculed as a nut job and yet in 2021 that became a reality. People now say they never supported such measures, but the reality is that they downloaded and used such apps so they did support it, or at least never boycotted it
Those who spoke of mandatory vaccines were seen as crazies, but guess what? Now people are saying the never supported such measures, but when we were at peak COVID these same people were not averse to everyone being injected.
People who tried to raise the issue of adverse events to the ‘you know what’ were labelled scaremongerers and were seen as heretics for not worshipping Fauci. Now, as more data comes out, people are saying they always questioned the ‘you know what’.
And we haven’t even touched on Ukraine and the flag waving, the hero worship, and the gung-ho attitude to war.
‘We haven’t even touched on Ukraine?’ That’s possibly because the subject isn’t Ukraine! The West isn’t going to war, so I really do hope your comment isn’t a cover for yet another ‘useful idiot’ defence of Putin. Endless scepticism of our politicians – fair enough – but then endless gullibility when it comes to the claims and justifications of autocrats, especially those with a long and well documented history of lying to achieve strategic advantage. There has been of course, according to the tyrant Putin, no invasion of Ukraine!
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Hendrik Mentz
2 years ago
Indeed. And we’re not even beginning to look at the denial of any consequences of the vaccines themselves.
Caroline Watson
2 years ago
Lockdowns ‘protected’ the people who least needed it – the healthy, white, middle class laptop class – and threw the old, the young and the working class to the wolves.
It quickly became apparent that those who were most at risk were either retired or living on benefits. The few who were in the workplace could have been allowed to work from home or given disability leave under the ‘reasonable adjustments’ provisions in the Equality Act. Employers of those in the private sector could have been compensated by the government. Anyone not in employment or education was free to make whatever changes to their lifestyle that they chose, without affecting anyone else. The closure of schools, universities and small businesses was completely unnecessary.
Dominic A
2 years ago
Any chance that we can set a standard of ‘average life lost’, rather than total numbers of lives lost? It is clear that the a huge number of covid deaths (the majority?) would have curtailed the person’s life by a few months, year or two (still a serious problem of course). The death of a young child is more tragic than the death of an old person (and that includes me). It is dishonest and immoral to simply say a life is a life – akin to those who claim there is no limit on the amount that should be sent saving a life.
Exactly.
I had fallen out with some friends over that.
They claimed that most so called “covid victims” with average age of 83 had another 9 years of quality life ahead of them.
Why NICE formula was not applied in covid policies as it is in other medical cases?
Yup, my admittedly ‘back of a fag packet’ calculation is that we’ve spent £300,000 on each year of life saved from COVID, whereas the general NICE guideline is £30,000. I had to work it out myself as despite being an avid reader of ‘the science’, no-one in the know thought it fit to mention it to the hoi polloi.
One way or another that untramelled spending will have real and severe consequences – almost certainly on the young generations (when they are older).
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and I would reserve a circle of hell for those indulging in the mawkish ‘you can’t put a spending limit on saving a life’ manipulative cop-out.
Rod McLaughlin
2 years ago
Thanks for this
Peter LR
2 years ago
Well said, Toby!
Sean Meister
2 years ago
We must not let the Zero Covid camp nor the general pro-Lockdown camp from ever memory-holing their actions. They already memory-holed their opposition to even recognising the danger that was growing in China in Dec-19 (that many of us more savvy internet users were well aware of). I doubt many that should be publicly charged or rebuked over this whole affair ever will be of course.
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Jeff Carr
2 years ago
Thank you, Toby, for reminding us of Devi Sridar’s statements during the pandemic. You would never have gleaned that from her Guardian piece. Let us not forget she was an adviser for the SNP the severest of lockdown advocates.
Roger Tilbury
2 years ago
And never forget that the decisions were driven by MODELS. Just like that other Net Zero obsession, Global Warming.
Alex Stonor
2 years ago
Last weekend, in a local mall, I entered a zero covid world; something of a South Pacific Island (soldier, 20 yrs after the war has ended, cut off from the world in which he no longer needs to fight) in the post-pandemic ‘liberty’ of maskless commerce. Needing the services of an optician, I walked directly into one, let’s call it the SS of High Street ophthalmic outlets. I was stopped by the young man on the door, insisting that I put a mask on. I shrugged his concerns and pressed on, deeper into the shop front with it racks of sparkly specs. I noticed that two other shop floor technicians were panicking and I heard one yelp and rush off to find the manager. He arrived and was adamant that I must wear a mask to enter the shop or leave the premises and visit another store of the same brand nearby. He was categorical, aggressive and intimidating, standing way too close without all the covid; blow the 2ms.
I stood my grounds, mentioned my rights and the appropriate law & guidelines but he was having none of it.
It was the most hostile mask-compliant-insistent person I’ve come across since the first mandate. Covid is far from over. Thank goodness the massage chairs weren’t to far away
R Wright
2 years ago
I will never forgive the state and its acolytes for viciously foisting this onto people. I will never forgive it and I will never forget it, even as we move onto the next episode in the ongoing State if Exception.
There was a great article by Freddie here on 4th February 2021 “Inside the Zero Covid campaign”, which should serve as a permanent record of what Devi Sridhar, Tomas Ryan and their ilk were campaigning for in 2021, when vaccine rollout was in full swing.
Many people are rewriting history as they slowly wake up and realise those they called conspiracy theorists were right all along.
Not so long ago talk of a lab leak from a Wuhan lab was borderline treason. Now it is accepted as pretty much fact
Amazingly in 2020 anyone who said that there’d end up being COVID pass was ridiculed as a nut job and yet in 2021 that became a reality. People now say they never supported such measures, but the reality is that they downloaded and used such apps so they did support it, or at least never boycotted it
Those who spoke of mandatory vaccines were seen as crazies, but guess what? Now people are saying the never supported such measures, but when we were at peak COVID these same people were not averse to everyone being injected.
People who tried to raise the issue of adverse events to the ‘you know what’ were labelled scaremongerers and were seen as heretics for not worshipping Fauci. Now, as more data comes out, people are saying they always questioned the ‘you know what’.
And we haven’t even touched on Ukraine and the flag waving, the hero worship, and the gung-ho attitude to war.
‘We haven’t even touched on Ukraine?’ That’s possibly because the subject isn’t Ukraine! The West isn’t going to war, so I really do hope your comment isn’t a cover for yet another ‘useful idiot’ defence of Putin. Endless scepticism of our politicians – fair enough – but then endless gullibility when it comes to the claims and justifications of autocrats, especially those with a long and well documented history of lying to achieve strategic advantage. There has been of course, according to the tyrant Putin, no invasion of Ukraine!
Indeed. And we’re not even beginning to look at the denial of any consequences of the vaccines themselves.
Lockdowns ‘protected’ the people who least needed it – the healthy, white, middle class laptop class – and threw the old, the young and the working class to the wolves.
It quickly became apparent that those who were most at risk were either retired or living on benefits. The few who were in the workplace could have been allowed to work from home or given disability leave under the ‘reasonable adjustments’ provisions in the Equality Act. Employers of those in the private sector could have been compensated by the government. Anyone not in employment or education was free to make whatever changes to their lifestyle that they chose, without affecting anyone else. The closure of schools, universities and small businesses was completely unnecessary.
Any chance that we can set a standard of ‘average life lost’, rather than total numbers of lives lost? It is clear that the a huge number of covid deaths (the majority?) would have curtailed the person’s life by a few months, year or two (still a serious problem of course). The death of a young child is more tragic than the death of an old person (and that includes me). It is dishonest and immoral to simply say a life is a life – akin to those who claim there is no limit on the amount that should be sent saving a life.
Exactly.
I had fallen out with some friends over that.
They claimed that most so called “covid victims” with average age of 83 had another 9 years of quality life ahead of them.
Why NICE formula was not applied in covid policies as it is in other medical cases?
Yup, my admittedly ‘back of a fag packet’ calculation is that we’ve spent £300,000 on each year of life saved from COVID, whereas the general NICE guideline is £30,000. I had to work it out myself as despite being an avid reader of ‘the science’, no-one in the know thought it fit to mention it to the hoi polloi.
One way or another that untramelled spending will have real and severe consequences – almost certainly on the young generations (when they are older).
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and I would reserve a circle of hell for those indulging in the mawkish ‘you can’t put a spending limit on saving a life’ manipulative cop-out.
Thanks for this
Well said, Toby!
We must not let the Zero Covid camp nor the general pro-Lockdown camp from ever memory-holing their actions. They already memory-holed their opposition to even recognising the danger that was growing in China in Dec-19 (that many of us more savvy internet users were well aware of). I doubt many that should be publicly charged or rebuked over this whole affair ever will be of course.
Thank you, Toby, for reminding us of Devi Sridar’s statements during the pandemic. You would never have gleaned that from her Guardian piece. Let us not forget she was an adviser for the SNP the severest of lockdown advocates.
And never forget that the decisions were driven by MODELS. Just like that other Net Zero obsession, Global Warming.
Last weekend, in a local mall, I entered a zero covid world; something of a South Pacific Island (soldier, 20 yrs after the war has ended, cut off from the world in which he no longer needs to fight) in the post-pandemic ‘liberty’ of maskless commerce. Needing the services of an optician, I walked directly into one, let’s call it the SS of High Street ophthalmic outlets. I was stopped by the young man on the door, insisting that I put a mask on. I shrugged his concerns and pressed on, deeper into the shop front with it racks of sparkly specs. I noticed that two other shop floor technicians were panicking and I heard one yelp and rush off to find the manager. He arrived and was adamant that I must wear a mask to enter the shop or leave the premises and visit another store of the same brand nearby. He was categorical, aggressive and intimidating, standing way too close without all the covid; blow the 2ms.
I stood my grounds, mentioned my rights and the appropriate law & guidelines but he was having none of it.
It was the most hostile mask-compliant-insistent person I’ve come across since the first mandate. Covid is far from over. Thank goodness the massage chairs weren’t to far away
I will never forgive the state and its acolytes for viciously foisting this onto people. I will never forgive it and I will never forget it, even as we move onto the next episode in the ongoing State if Exception.
Excellent article! . We must not forget.