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J Bryant
J Bryant
1 year ago

we need to resist it with every fibre of our being
“Need” recalls and affirms centuries of oppression by the patriarchy who lectured us on our “need” to conform to societal norms.
“Resist” is a clear case of conceptual appropriation from our struggle to fight back against the aforementioned cultural norms.
“Being” implies a state of non-being which has been the fate of so many of our fellow persons for centuries in the eyes of white, heteronormative society.
“Fibre”, with its odd, UK spelling that was once imposed on huge areas of the world, recalls the horror of British colonialism.
The only acceptable word in that deeply oppressive sentence is “We” as it encompasses the inclusion of the marginalized.
I don’t think a sentence has so traumatized me since, I don’t know, about an hour ago.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Edited

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Bravo!
But you’ve missed out “it”. Did anyone ask “it” what “its” preferred pronoun was?

maddy palmer
maddy palmer
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Ha! And there we have a smorgasbord of postmodernist gobbledegook in response to a well-written article decrying progressive trans speak. Thank you for so perfectly illustrating the point.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  maddy palmer

I trust that you are not taking what J Bryant wrote seriously; I don’t think that it was meant to be. Of course, these days one never knows; just because a viewpoint is ridiculous beyond parody, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s joke.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

But those who contribute to Comments over a period of time do get a feel for the particular leanings of other regular contributors (if that’s not too transgressive a phrase!!) and i’d be astounded if J Bryant was being serious.
Even for anyone reading for the first time, his last sentence is a dead giveaway.

J Bryant
J Bryant
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

I’m a very serious person in a deeply unserious world. Laugh or cry. Those are the choices.

John Solomon
John Solomon
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

I think you are trying to force us into a binary choice in a clearly non-binary situation.

John Solomon
John Solomon
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

I think you are trying to force us into a binary choice in a clearly non-binary situation.

J Bryant
J Bryant
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

I’m a very serious person in a deeply unserious world. Laugh or cry. Those are the choices.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

But those who contribute to Comments over a period of time do get a feel for the particular leanings of other regular contributors (if that’s not too transgressive a phrase!!) and i’d be astounded if J Bryant was being serious.
Even for anyone reading for the first time, his last sentence is a dead giveaway.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  maddy palmer

I trust that you are not taking what J Bryant wrote seriously; I don’t think that it was meant to be. Of course, these days one never knows; just because a viewpoint is ridiculous beyond parody, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s joke.

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Bravo!

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Complete hyperbolic nonsense. Necessary because trans activists and most of the left can’t make a coherent argument for their anti-feminist and race essentialist ideologies.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

I apologize if I didn’t get the joke.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

Don’t worry, the derangement of trans activism is such that the satire thereof is easily mistaken for sincerity.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

Don’t worry, the derangement of trans activism is such that the satire thereof is easily mistaken for sincerity.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

I apologize if I didn’t get the joke.

Philip Stott
Philip Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

“Fibre with its odd UK spelling …”
Whether UK or US spellings are best, isn’t coloured black or white, more shades of grey.

Last edited 1 year ago by Philip Stott
Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Edited

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Bravo!
But you’ve missed out “it”. Did anyone ask “it” what “its” preferred pronoun was?

maddy palmer
maddy palmer
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Ha! And there we have a smorgasbord of postmodernist gobbledegook in response to a well-written article decrying progressive trans speak. Thank you for so perfectly illustrating the point.

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Bravo!

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Complete hyperbolic nonsense. Necessary because trans activists and most of the left can’t make a coherent argument for their anti-feminist and race essentialist ideologies.

Philip Stott
Philip Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  J Bryant

“Fibre with its odd UK spelling …”
Whether UK or US spellings are best, isn’t coloured black or white, more shades of grey.

Last edited 1 year ago by Philip Stott
J Bryant
J Bryant
1 year ago

we need to resist it with every fibre of our being
“Need” recalls and affirms centuries of oppression by the patriarchy who lectured us on our “need” to conform to societal norms.
“Resist” is a clear case of conceptual appropriation from our struggle to fight back against the aforementioned cultural norms.
“Being” implies a state of non-being which has been the fate of so many of our fellow persons for centuries in the eyes of white, heteronormative society.
“Fibre”, with its odd, UK spelling that was once imposed on huge areas of the world, recalls the horror of British colonialism.
The only acceptable word in that deeply oppressive sentence is “We” as it encompasses the inclusion of the marginalized.
I don’t think a sentence has so traumatized me since, I don’t know, about an hour ago.

Jane Watson
Jane Watson
1 year ago

Bravo Joan. Put your armour on.

It’s come to something when the safeguarding of children has been turned on its head and a Roman Catholic President of the US thinks it “sinful” to protect them from mutilation.

Alison Tyler
Alison Tyler
1 year ago
Reply to  Jane Watson

It is in reality child abuse disguised as care,

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Alison Tyler

It’s sadistic paedophilia disguised as care.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Alison Tyler

It’s sadistic paedophilia disguised as care.

Alison Tyler
Alison Tyler
1 year ago
Reply to  Jane Watson

It is in reality child abuse disguised as care,

Jane Watson
Jane Watson
1 year ago

Bravo Joan. Put your armour on.

It’s come to something when the safeguarding of children has been turned on its head and a Roman Catholic President of the US thinks it “sinful” to protect them from mutilation.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

Language is everything when it comes to trans ideology. If you actually explain what gender-affirming care is, the vast majority of people are not only opposed to it, but horrified. I was out with some friends on the weekend and somehow we started talking about JK Rowling. I was the only one at the table who knew her actual support for trans people – that she only opposes gender affirming care and other radical ideology.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Manipulating language is everything to both sides of any issue. Words and phrases must be exchanged for euphemisms in order to deceive.
Abortion = murder of unborn children
Women’s Health Care = abortion
Family Planning = abortion
Pro-Choice Activist = pro-abortion
Anti-Abortion Activist = someone who is pro-life
Gay = homosexuality
Euthanize = murder
Economically disadvantaged = poor
Sex Worker = prostitute
Ethnic Cleansing = Genocide
Plus Size = fat
Undocumented Worker = illegal alien
Pre-owned = used
And on and on.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Manipulating language is everything to both sides of any issue. Words and phrases must be exchanged for euphemisms in order to deceive.
Abortion = murder of unborn children
Women’s Health Care = abortion
Family Planning = abortion
Pro-Choice Activist = pro-abortion
Anti-Abortion Activist = someone who is pro-life
Gay = homosexuality
Euthanize = murder
Economically disadvantaged = poor
Sex Worker = prostitute
Ethnic Cleansing = Genocide
Plus Size = fat
Undocumented Worker = illegal alien
Pre-owned = used
And on and on.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

Language is everything when it comes to trans ideology. If you actually explain what gender-affirming care is, the vast majority of people are not only opposed to it, but horrified. I was out with some friends on the weekend and somehow we started talking about JK Rowling. I was the only one at the table who knew her actual support for trans people – that she only opposes gender affirming care and other radical ideology.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago

None of this surprises me about the Grauniad and NYT. What doe’s surprise me is that otherwise rational friends think that they are balanced, accurate newspapers of record. I’m nit sure that such a thing even exists.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago

None of this surprises me about the Grauniad and NYT. What doe’s surprise me is that otherwise rational friends think that they are balanced, accurate newspapers of record. I’m nit sure that such a thing even exists.

Ali W
Ali W
1 year ago

Trans girls are, biologically speaking, boys 

The fact that this was a bit shocking for me to read shows the insanity western society has become accustomed to, and really drives the author’s point home.

Ali W
Ali W
1 year ago

Trans girls are, biologically speaking, boys 

The fact that this was a bit shocking for me to read shows the insanity western society has become accustomed to, and really drives the author’s point home.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
1 year ago

‘Not according to the NYT, which claims that opposition to these anti-women policies is a Right-wing plot. ‘

If you are opposed to children being giving hormones and surgery, you are Right-wing and should admit that to yourself.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
1 year ago

‘Not according to the NYT, which claims that opposition to these anti-women policies is a Right-wing plot. ‘

If you are opposed to children being giving hormones and surgery, you are Right-wing and should admit that to yourself.

Christine Marie Janis
Christine Marie Janis
1 year ago

“The Nation” journal (something I’ve supported for many years but am now seriously reconsidering) recently had an article about how transwomen were basically physically no different from natal women when it came to sport, and then another article where they described JK Rowling as an “anti-trans activist”.

Christine Marie Janis
Christine Marie Janis
1 year ago

“The Nation” journal (something I’ve supported for many years but am now seriously reconsidering) recently had an article about how transwomen were basically physically no different from natal women when it came to sport, and then another article where they described JK Rowling as an “anti-trans activist”.

Margaret TC
Margaret TC
1 year ago

The best analysis of the trans movement I’ve heard is here: https://youtu.be/tLXdoqXbC6k

Jane Watson
Jane Watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Margaret TC

Thanks for that Margaret, just watched. I’d like to recommend a book, late 90s, ‘Creating Hysteria’ by Joan Acocella, about Multiple Personality Disorder (which became an overnight industry in the States).

I’ve been advising people to read this for the past few years as the Trans mayhem has taken hold. MPD was ‘invented’ by mostly well meaning therapists and medics, but it quickly became a massive money spinner.

Very fortunately, that was partly its undoing, as insurance companies stopped funding never ending ‘treatments’.

MPD was renamed Dissociative Identity Disorder, in an attempt to make it more respectable, and there have been attempts to reignite the hysteria, but we seem to have hit upon a new wheeze that’s even more damaging.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jane Watson
Mint Julip
Mint Julip
1 year ago
Reply to  Jane Watson

Aye, and this wheeze includes surgery too. Even more money to be made by the greedy and unscrupulous.

Mint Julip
Mint Julip
1 year ago
Reply to  Jane Watson

Aye, and this wheeze includes surgery too. Even more money to be made by the greedy and unscrupulous.

Ali W
Ali W
1 year ago
Reply to  Margaret TC

The show Orphan Black actually talked about a lot of this. The show was ahead of its time, apparently.

Jane Watson
Jane Watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Margaret TC

Thanks for that Margaret, just watched. I’d like to recommend a book, late 90s, ‘Creating Hysteria’ by Joan Acocella, about Multiple Personality Disorder (which became an overnight industry in the States).

I’ve been advising people to read this for the past few years as the Trans mayhem has taken hold. MPD was ‘invented’ by mostly well meaning therapists and medics, but it quickly became a massive money spinner.

Very fortunately, that was partly its undoing, as insurance companies stopped funding never ending ‘treatments’.

MPD was renamed Dissociative Identity Disorder, in an attempt to make it more respectable, and there have been attempts to reignite the hysteria, but we seem to have hit upon a new wheeze that’s even more damaging.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jane Watson
Ali W
Ali W
1 year ago
Reply to  Margaret TC

The show Orphan Black actually talked about a lot of this. The show was ahead of its time, apparently.

Margaret TC
Margaret TC
1 year ago

The best analysis of the trans movement I’ve heard is here: https://youtu.be/tLXdoqXbC6k

William Cameron
William Cameron
1 year ago

This is Paedophilia

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Perfect. Another euphemism!

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Perfect. Another euphemism!

William Cameron
William Cameron
1 year ago

This is Paedophilia

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago

Language control: the first refuge of scoundrels and totalitarians. ( but I repeat myself )

You know, if you believed this claptrap, you might get the mistaken notion that people who identify as LGBTQ+ are actually oppressed!

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago

Language control: the first refuge of scoundrels and totalitarians. ( but I repeat myself )

You know, if you believed this claptrap, you might get the mistaken notion that people who identify as LGBTQ+ are actually oppressed!

Claire England
Claire England
1 year ago

The comments’ section of the NYTimes were a palate cleanser of rational rejection of both articles’ premises. That was the only saving grace to these aggravating levels of linguistic gymnastics.

Claire England
Claire England
1 year ago

The comments’ section of the NYTimes were a palate cleanser of rational rejection of both articles’ premises. That was the only saving grace to these aggravating levels of linguistic gymnastics.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

Well said, Joan. Perhaps you could have a word with Jesse Singal, whose column heads today’s UnHerd.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

Well said, Joan. Perhaps you could have a word with Jesse Singal, whose column heads today’s UnHerd.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago

The Times pushed back against the open-letter from activists and employees about their coverage of trans issues, receiving the praise of gullible free-speech activists and then acquiesced to all of the letter writers demands. None of the journalists who wrote the offending articles have covered trans issues since the letter.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago

The Times pushed back against the open-letter from activists and employees about their coverage of trans issues, receiving the praise of gullible free-speech activists and then acquiesced to all of the letter writers demands. None of the journalists who wrote the offending articles have covered trans issues since the letter.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
1 year ago

The more reasonable people; those of us who stand against trans-activism, climate activism, etc., should admire the way the “progressive” side has managed to take over the common language, the public discourse. The U.S. military has been working on this for years. They refer to it as “controlling the information space”.
Immediately after admiring the technique we should learn to use it ourselves. And turn it against activists of all sorts.
In the absense of truly representative government various activists have pretty much turned democracy on its head. It’s time to move on to the next turn of this long, strange trip we’re on. There are more important things to deal with.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
1 year ago

The more reasonable people; those of us who stand against trans-activism, climate activism, etc., should admire the way the “progressive” side has managed to take over the common language, the public discourse. The U.S. military has been working on this for years. They refer to it as “controlling the information space”.
Immediately after admiring the technique we should learn to use it ourselves. And turn it against activists of all sorts.
In the absense of truly representative government various activists have pretty much turned democracy on its head. It’s time to move on to the next turn of this long, strange trip we’re on. There are more important things to deal with.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago

If a boy can call himself a girl, can I call myself black? Now everyone needs to respect my life choices, right? What if I called myself “Emperor of the Universe”?

Dave R
Dave R
1 year ago
Reply to  Samuel Ross

Hi, Rachel

Dave R
Dave R
1 year ago
Reply to  Samuel Ross

Hi, Rachel

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago

If a boy can call himself a girl, can I call myself black? Now everyone needs to respect my life choices, right? What if I called myself “Emperor of the Universe”?

Tom Condray
Tom Condray
1 year ago

As always, the first question to ask is: Cui bono?

Indeed, once we dispense with the risible declaration, “It’s for the children.” who is getting rich/powerful promoting this agenda? I submit that the more we wallow in the weeds, the less influence we have on the outcome.

Follow the money and the political power, and expose that corruption. For example, Drag Queen story hours are a distraction, a way to divert energy and resources while holding forth on trans affirmation.

I’d be willing to support with my wallet investigative journalism focusing on who are the winners of the trans debate, both now and in the future.

My only certainty is that very very few of those winners will be found among the poor children duped into the gender dysphoria racket.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

Enough of this! who cares?!!!

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

Anyone with kids growing up in a crackpot world mate

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

It does seem like a lot of attention given to about .005% of the population here.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/gender-dysphoria

Claire England
Claire England
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Which potentially impacts millions of women around the world. From linguistic appropriation AND erasement, to rapists in women’s prisons, the tiny majority are affecting countless women’s sex-based rights. THAT’S why we’re paying attention to this.

Claire England
Claire England
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Which potentially impacts millions of women around the world. From linguistic appropriation AND erasement, to rapists in women’s prisons, the tiny majority are affecting countless women’s sex-based rights. THAT’S why we’re paying attention to this.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

Anyone with kids growing up in a crackpot world mate

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

It does seem like a lot of attention given to about .005% of the population here.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/gender-dysphoria

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

Enough of this! who cares?!!!