HS2 is a great idea. Modern infrastructure and the freeing up of the West Coast mainline The problem is British incompetence, and yes if the Manchester part is cancelled then the government should feel humiliation. Humiliation for spending over £70B on 100 miles of track from West London to Birmingham. The fact that Crossrail and the Elizabeth line in London were also over-budget but were not cut shows everything about the geographical priorities of the idiotic UK. Spend nothing outside of London and then wonder why economic disparity is getting worse. There is very little holding the UK together, not just the 4 parts but holding England together, and as said before on this site it is just an address. Things like this just make that worse.
Jonathan Nash
7 months ago
There are 2 separate issues here, which this article tends to conflate. The first is whether HS2 was a good idea at all: I think it was, but in any event it was what was decided upon at the time. The second is how and why costs have spiraled out of control. How was that allowed to happen and who is responsible? Will anybody pay a price for throwing away billions of public money?
Andrew D
7 months ago
HS2 was always an unnecessary vanity project, there are plenty of better and cheaper ways of ‘levelling up’. And Sizewell C should definitely be abandoned. Build lots of small-scale nuclear power stations, as Sweden seems to be doing. Small is beautiful.
William Cameron
7 months ago
The problem here is the civil service. All their projects costs overrun their budgets because they do not have the competence to enter into fixed price contracts- nor to manage contracts.
if I say I will build a power station for a few million to a civil servants they give me the contract (the lowest tender) . They then fail to notice the traps in the contract giving me licence to ramp up prices.
They also fail to manage the subsequent servicing contracts .
But they have got degrees in knitting and think they are far too clever to learn contract law.
Having worked in both the public sector and private I agree that the public sector lacks the expertise to run these big projects. The reason I saw for this was that the wages on offer in the public sector were a long way behind those for comparable roles in the private sector, therefore most simply jumped ship at the first opportunity. The public sector in my experience was then left with those with little to no experience, and old workers who had long since clocked off and were just passing the time until retirement.
I’ve always thought it to be penny wise and pound foolish, whereby trying to save money by paying low wages ends up costing multiple times that saving when projects go miles over budget due to a lack of expertise.
However as a caveat I’ve spent the majority of my working life in the private sector, and I’m yet to see a commercial build come in on time and under budget as there are simply too many variables, so it’s not a problem confined to just the civil service
Tyler Durden
7 months ago
These projects are corporatist yet dispersed to favoured ‘partners’. This means that the corporatism doesn’t really need to come to fruition as the economic growth has already been achieved by the consultants and the pricey contracts they’ve negotiated for the state.
Mark Goodhand
7 months ago
Ever play the game of guess the author?
I often dive straight into an article, without looking to see who wrote it. Then I come across a characteristic line, and scroll to the top to confirm my suspicions.
In this case, there was an idiotic line that just screamed PETER FRANKLIN:
“Remember that only last week Sunak decided to delay the national rollout of heat pumps — a simple piece of kit that’s basically a reverse fridge.”
If heat pumps were a simple, sensible piece of kit (like LED lightbulbs), people would adopt them voluntarily, without the need for a government “rollout”.
I believe they are quite simple, they are actually reverse air conditioners with the cooling element on the outside. They don’t generate heat (lots of energy), they move it around (less energy). So in theory they should be cheap and simple but I’m not surprised the roll out is a total disaster in the UK. See HS2, 3rd runway and brexit for expected timescales and competence.
Nick Wade
7 months ago
“ White elephant projects need to be stopped before they waste time and money ”
HS2, third runway, brexit. The same issues rumble on and on. Nothing gets resolved.
HS2 money could have upgraded what pass for trains in Northern England. There they have the top half of busses that have been welded onto train wheels. The ramshackle contraptions are a visceral reminder of the north’s place in the UK.
Chris Wheatley
7 months ago
I am not sure if I was in favour of HS2 or not – as a method of transportation, that is. I would have been against, simply because the UK can’t do these things any more.
I remember once driving around the motorway system listening to a phone-in programme. It was about a plan to connect Manchester and Sheffield with a motorway under the Pennines. Basically, the people in the north thought it was a good idea but those in the south didn’t. Today, the north desperately needs shedfulls of money (from the south) to stop the development of two separate countries as with North and South Italy. Maybe the failure of HS2 is a symbol of this separation.
The road and rail links between Sheffield and Manchester must surely be the worst between any comparable British cities, a mere 30 miles apart.
They consist of an hourly four carriage train service (surprisingly always overcrowded) and two twisting roads over the hills, without any dual carriageway in sight, that both converge at one set of traffic lights east of Manchester (surprisingly always gridlocked).
A fraction of the money thrown at HS2 could have resolved this glaring inadequacy.
Dumetrius
7 months ago
Let’s finish it, but build it to Brunel’s preferred gauge.
Right-Wing Hippie
7 months ago
Rishi Sunak has more white elephants in his sights.
That’s racist.
HS2 is a great idea. Modern infrastructure and the freeing up of the West Coast mainline The problem is British incompetence, and yes if the Manchester part is cancelled then the government should feel humiliation. Humiliation for spending over £70B on 100 miles of track from West London to Birmingham. The fact that Crossrail and the Elizabeth line in London were also over-budget but were not cut shows everything about the geographical priorities of the idiotic UK. Spend nothing outside of London and then wonder why economic disparity is getting worse. There is very little holding the UK together, not just the 4 parts but holding England together, and as said before on this site it is just an address. Things like this just make that worse.
There are 2 separate issues here, which this article tends to conflate. The first is whether HS2 was a good idea at all: I think it was, but in any event it was what was decided upon at the time. The second is how and why costs have spiraled out of control. How was that allowed to happen and who is responsible? Will anybody pay a price for throwing away billions of public money?
HS2 was always an unnecessary vanity project, there are plenty of better and cheaper ways of ‘levelling up’. And Sizewell C should definitely be abandoned. Build lots of small-scale nuclear power stations, as Sweden seems to be doing. Small is beautiful.
The problem here is the civil service. All their projects costs overrun their budgets because they do not have the competence to enter into fixed price contracts- nor to manage contracts.
if I say I will build a power station for a few million to a civil servants they give me the contract (the lowest tender) . They then fail to notice the traps in the contract giving me licence to ramp up prices.
They also fail to manage the subsequent servicing contracts .
But they have got degrees in knitting and think they are far too clever to learn contract law.
Having worked in both the public sector and private I agree that the public sector lacks the expertise to run these big projects. The reason I saw for this was that the wages on offer in the public sector were a long way behind those for comparable roles in the private sector, therefore most simply jumped ship at the first opportunity. The public sector in my experience was then left with those with little to no experience, and old workers who had long since clocked off and were just passing the time until retirement.
I’ve always thought it to be penny wise and pound foolish, whereby trying to save money by paying low wages ends up costing multiple times that saving when projects go miles over budget due to a lack of expertise.
However as a caveat I’ve spent the majority of my working life in the private sector, and I’m yet to see a commercial build come in on time and under budget as there are simply too many variables, so it’s not a problem confined to just the civil service
These projects are corporatist yet dispersed to favoured ‘partners’. This means that the corporatism doesn’t really need to come to fruition as the economic growth has already been achieved by the consultants and the pricey contracts they’ve negotiated for the state.
Ever play the game of guess the author?
I often dive straight into an article, without looking to see who wrote it. Then I come across a characteristic line, and scroll to the top to confirm my suspicions.
In this case, there was an idiotic line that just screamed PETER FRANKLIN:
“Remember that only last week Sunak decided to delay the national rollout of heat pumps — a simple piece of kit that’s basically a reverse fridge.”
If heat pumps were a simple, sensible piece of kit (like LED lightbulbs), people would adopt them voluntarily, without the need for a government “rollout”.
Lol. That line stuck me as well. I don’t think it’s as simple as the author suggests. Like you say, it would be done sleazy if it was.
yep, i’ll bet you the author has not had an air source heat pump installed himself. Because he’d be too cold to type in winter
I believe they are quite simple, they are actually reverse air conditioners with the cooling element on the outside. They don’t generate heat (lots of energy), they move it around (less energy). So in theory they should be cheap and simple but I’m not surprised the roll out is a total disaster in the UK. See HS2, 3rd runway and brexit for expected timescales and competence.
“ White elephant projects need to be stopped before they waste time and money ”
But then they wouldn’t be white elephants….
That’s an elephant of a different colour.
Like Brexit?
HS2, third runway, brexit. The same issues rumble on and on. Nothing gets resolved.
HS2 money could have upgraded what pass for trains in Northern England. There they have the top half of busses that have been welded onto train wheels. The ramshackle contraptions are a visceral reminder of the north’s place in the UK.
I am not sure if I was in favour of HS2 or not – as a method of transportation, that is. I would have been against, simply because the UK can’t do these things any more.
I remember once driving around the motorway system listening to a phone-in programme. It was about a plan to connect Manchester and Sheffield with a motorway under the Pennines. Basically, the people in the north thought it was a good idea but those in the south didn’t. Today, the north desperately needs shedfulls of money (from the south) to stop the development of two separate countries as with North and South Italy. Maybe the failure of HS2 is a symbol of this separation.
The road and rail links between Sheffield and Manchester must surely be the worst between any comparable British cities, a mere 30 miles apart.
They consist of an hourly four carriage train service (surprisingly always overcrowded) and two twisting roads over the hills, without any dual carriageway in sight, that both converge at one set of traffic lights east of Manchester (surprisingly always gridlocked).
A fraction of the money thrown at HS2 could have resolved this glaring inadequacy.
Let’s finish it, but build it to Brunel’s preferred gauge.
Rishi Sunak has more white elephants in his sights.
That’s racist.