Ha ha. Yeah, I think the availability of on-line entertainment might play a part in reduced reproduction rates (both human and viral!). Look at Japan (even pre-pandemic) where some young men have retreated from the world and spend all day playing video games in their bedroom.
I suspect, though, that lack of optimism in the future is the real driver of the baby bust. Reproduction rates in the West were declining even before the pandemic for the reasons noted in the article–poor life and job prospects for young people. No one has any idea where the world is now headed post-pandemic.
The author asserts “there is just so much good TV to watch.” For now, maybe. Until you’ve worked your way through all the classic series (The Wire, Game of Thrones, etc). So far as I can tell, the new TV series under production are woke-themed. Their main goal is to preach rather than entertain. I wonder if good TV will survive the new progressive religion.
Exactly. People feel good about having children in stable, healthy societies with some hope for the future. Not bringing children into a global rat race to the bottom.
So far as I can tell, the new TV series under production are woke-themed. Their main goal is to preach rather than entertain.
This. One of my students recently bemoaned the fact that entertainment is ruined for them by blatant woke messaging. Many such shows have become entirely predictable. I think there is a generational backlash brewing against Wokeism. As far as I can tell, most young people are tired of the being told they are bad people with a historical debt to repay. My wife, who is an American, told me that wokeism is pretty much daily bread and butter in the US public education system, and that as a child she learned to tune it out. She’s also an Economics major, and has a cynical theory that certain demographics are prey to making unsound financial decisions and that is why much media, entertainment and advertising is marketed toward them. A good example of this is how innocuous cultural artifacts like Dr. Seuss has fallen victim to cancel culture for being offensive, yet music with clearly misogynistic and racist overtones is ignored or even celebrated.
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Alka Hughes-Hallett
3 years ago
I don’t think people would WANT to bring a child into the world nowadays with strife uncertainty and the global population out of control. I don’t think it’s to do with the TV programmes alone . It’s a conscious choice & there are many ways to avoid procreation unlike in the past.
These are very unstable, fragile times for individuals let alone having a baby in tow to worry about.
Where the human condition is the most precarious birth rates are the highest.
The desire not to have children is one born of affluence and security and very very peculiar to the west
Galeti Tavas
3 years ago
I tried to enjoy Netflix, but really, it is 96% drek, or broken down, 30% sick/evil/twisted/sadistic, 30% depraved/degenerate. 20% stupid, 10% pure Wokism, 6% infantile, and the 4% good enough.
Prime numbers are a bit worse though, making Netflix a better choice, but only for the few weeks you get given by both of them to get your custom..
The only reason I have Netflix is for the old 1990s Star Trek shows.
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Funnily enough I’ve just read a book called ‘The Great Wave’ by David Hackett-Fischer that touches on this. The book follows the various waves of inflation since 14th century, and the periods of price stability between those waves.
The book frequently refers to declines in population caused by uncertainty in terms of economic collapse, war, crop failures and disease etc. Of course, in the past this was often due to the basic act that there wasn’t enough food to feed any more people, which is not a problem we have in the West.
Julia Wallis-Martin
3 years ago
Women are choosing not to have children because the alternative is insecurity, poverty, and relegation to 2nd Class Citizenship. As ‘contracts’ go, marriage is no longer worth the paper it is written on. Flexible working hours enabling women to meet caring responsibilities often result in them working during what would once have been leisure time, and the cost of childcare is equal to, sometimes greater than, a mortgage. Exhaustion, anxiety, and depression are so commonly suffered by mothers that these mental illnesses are now considered normal. Who in their right mind would sign up for it?
Spot on. And the thing about not having children is that you don’t miss what you haven’t got: though you soon find that kids bring huge sacrifices: financial burdens, housing costs, and all to as significant reduction in your autonomy and fun.
I suspect that a lot of young stay at home with mum and dad mid-twenties just satiate on free online porn anyway: why bother with a real relationship when you can watch improbably well endowed and attractive people having sex , and (sort of) join in ?
Ferrusian Gambit
3 years ago
This has all the intellectual heft of a 6th form essay.
Meghan Kathleen Jamieson
3 years ago
According to what I have heard from medical people where I live, albeit not something that’s been publicly acknowledged, abortions have increased really significantly since Covid. That might have more to do with lack of a baby boom than Netflix.
As abortion figures have to be published by law, what do those say?
justin
3 years ago
Mr West’s worldview on demographics is detached from reality and stuck in the “more of everything is better” mentality that we’re thankfully getting past now.
Intelligent and “eyes-open” observers can see that the world is grossly overpopulated for the resources that we available to us – environmental degradation, species loss and atmospheric carbon are at or near tipping points, and all are aggravated by global population growth.
It makes unequivocal sense for humans to copulate as much as they wish, as long as they avoid giving birth. Having fewer children is the single best thing we can do to preserve a liveable planet.
Chris Jayne
3 years ago
My wife had a baby last week. Not sure I can comment on this haha.
Meat Eater on Netflix is super. Outside of that I really don’t feel like I’m getting my monies worth.
Andrea X
3 years ago
Not to be fussy, but the article about Italy is dated last December and referring to 2019, so hardly relevant.
I cannot read the one about Britain, because behind a paywall.
Ha ha. Yeah, I think the availability of on-line entertainment might play a part in reduced reproduction rates (both human and viral!). Look at Japan (even pre-pandemic) where some young men have retreated from the world and spend all day playing video games in their bedroom.
I suspect, though, that lack of optimism in the future is the real driver of the baby bust. Reproduction rates in the West were declining even before the pandemic for the reasons noted in the article–poor life and job prospects for young people. No one has any idea where the world is now headed post-pandemic.
The author asserts “there is just so much good TV to watch.” For now, maybe. Until you’ve worked your way through all the classic series (The Wire, Game of Thrones, etc). So far as I can tell, the new TV series under production are woke-themed. Their main goal is to preach rather than entertain. I wonder if good TV will survive the new progressive religion.
Exactly. People feel good about having children in stable, healthy societies with some hope for the future. Not bringing children into a global rat race to the bottom.
This. One of my students recently bemoaned the fact that entertainment is ruined for them by blatant woke messaging. Many such shows have become entirely predictable. I think there is a generational backlash brewing against Wokeism. As far as I can tell, most young people are tired of the being told they are bad people with a historical debt to repay. My wife, who is an American, told me that wokeism is pretty much daily bread and butter in the US public education system, and that as a child she learned to tune it out. She’s also an Economics major, and has a cynical theory that certain demographics are prey to making unsound financial decisions and that is why much media, entertainment and advertising is marketed toward them. A good example of this is how innocuous cultural artifacts like Dr. Seuss has fallen victim to cancel culture for being offensive, yet music with clearly misogynistic and racist overtones is ignored or even celebrated.
I don’t think people would WANT to bring a child into the world nowadays with strife uncertainty and the global population out of control. I don’t think it’s to do with the TV programmes alone . It’s a conscious choice & there are many ways to avoid procreation unlike in the past.
These are very unstable, fragile times for individuals let alone having a baby in tow to worry about.
This is the wrong way round.
Where the human condition is the most precarious birth rates are the highest.
The desire not to have children is one born of affluence and security and very very peculiar to the west
I tried to enjoy Netflix, but really, it is 96% drek, or broken down, 30% sick/evil/twisted/sadistic, 30% depraved/degenerate. 20% stupid, 10% pure Wokism, 6% infantile, and the 4% good enough.
Prime numbers are a bit worse though, making Netflix a better choice, but only for the few weeks you get given by both of them to get your custom..
The only reason I have Netflix is for the old 1990s Star Trek shows.
Funnily enough I’ve just read a book called ‘The Great Wave’ by David Hackett-Fischer that touches on this. The book follows the various waves of inflation since 14th century, and the periods of price stability between those waves.
The book frequently refers to declines in population caused by uncertainty in terms of economic collapse, war, crop failures and disease etc. Of course, in the past this was often due to the basic act that there wasn’t enough food to feed any more people, which is not a problem we have in the West.
Women are choosing not to have children because the alternative is insecurity, poverty, and relegation to 2nd Class Citizenship. As ‘contracts’ go, marriage is no longer worth the paper it is written on. Flexible working hours enabling women to meet caring responsibilities often result in them working during what would once have been leisure time, and the cost of childcare is equal to, sometimes greater than, a mortgage. Exhaustion, anxiety, and depression are so commonly suffered by mothers that these mental illnesses are now considered normal. Who in their right mind would sign up for it?
Spot on. And the thing about not having children is that you don’t miss what you haven’t got: though you soon find that kids bring huge sacrifices: financial burdens, housing costs, and all to as significant reduction in your autonomy and fun.
I suspect that a lot of young stay at home with mum and dad mid-twenties just satiate on free online porn anyway: why bother with a real relationship when you can watch improbably well endowed and attractive people having sex , and (sort of) join in ?
This has all the intellectual heft of a 6th form essay.
According to what I have heard from medical people where I live, albeit not something that’s been publicly acknowledged, abortions have increased really significantly since Covid. That might have more to do with lack of a baby boom than Netflix.
As abortion figures have to be published by law, what do those say?
Mr West’s worldview on demographics is detached from reality and stuck in the “more of everything is better” mentality that we’re thankfully getting past now.
Intelligent and “eyes-open” observers can see that the world is grossly overpopulated for the resources that we available to us – environmental degradation, species loss and atmospheric carbon are at or near tipping points, and all are aggravated by global population growth.
It makes unequivocal sense for humans to copulate as much as they wish, as long as they avoid giving birth. Having fewer children is the single best thing we can do to preserve a liveable planet.
My wife had a baby last week. Not sure I can comment on this haha.
Meat Eater on Netflix is super. Outside of that I really don’t feel like I’m getting my monies worth.
Not to be fussy, but the article about Italy is dated last December and referring to 2019, so hardly relevant.
I cannot read the one about Britain, because behind a paywall.