But the point is the Vicar of Dibley episode IS so very much the Church of England now; jumping on any bandwagon on which or by which they can virtue-signal. It’s all so painfully embarrassing.
I can imagine Welby nodding wisely as he watches the episode at home. I think the Anglican Church under the last string of Archbishops have converted 100 to Atheism for each they converted to Anglicanism. It is hard to get fired up about a religion where you suspect the heads do not even believe in it, but are more apostles of Secular Humanism and Woke Liberalism.
In London I always attend a couple Matins at St Pauls (you do not have to pay to get in if you go for a service). They are done in a small side alcove Chapel and attended by about 12 African Christians, half a dozen Chinese and Oriental Christians, a few Europeans, a dozen various foreigners, and maybe half a dozen middle aged White British. I always enjoy the service, and many of the people attending are quite devout, I am surprised not many people go just to avoid the entry fee but it seems most attendees actually are the very few who wish to attend a service in a Cathedral.
Ian Barton
3 years ago
Next year, the BBC will probably replace the Queens Speech with “Harry and Megan’s festive pleb lecture”.
Mark Beal
3 years ago
I hardly ever agree with Louise Perry, but this is nail on head stuff. As a viewer it’s always painfully obvious to me if characters are there as people or as tokens – all too often these days it’s the latter, but Call the Midwife is a rare exception.
Meghan Kathleen Jamieson
3 years ago
Call the Midwife overall does quite well with these issues. It helps no doubt that the setting involves a time and place where stories can focus on people from quite diverse communities and backgrounds. A show in a different setting might struggle to do the same and that would not make it inferior.
I have found that after the first few series, which were closely based on the books, the feel of the show changed. Initially is seemed a bit of a window to the period being described, not just it’s history but like reading a primary account. Subsequent seasons much more have the feel of a person with a 21st century perspective looking back to that period with a focus on what the 21st century thinks is important.
Michael Cowling
3 years ago
Nice article.
Aaron Kevali
3 years ago
Good article – nobody has any objection to diverse casting, but it must have an internal logic and be vaguely consistent with what we know of history.
7882 fremic
3 years ago
CTM deals with diversity in the right way? Why is it even dealing with diversity? So how is the new All Creatures Great and Small going deal with the non-existent diversity of the time and place? I bet it finds a way.
I’m not sure that you get the point of the article. It deals with non Anglo-saxons because they were there, and it deals with them as they were at the time. Commendable.
There was diversity in the East end of London after the war but hardly in rural Yorkshire. Why would CTM ignore diversity that was there and All Creatures introduce diversity that wasn’t?
The environment within CTM allows for the expression of diversity. It beautifully portrayed the story of a dying man in the declining Jewish community. His subsequent funeral reduced me to tears.
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
It’s amazing to me that so many people still have a TV. I never knew that Netflix and YouTube had undone so many.
Many people watch Netflix and You Tube on a computer and many with a computer watch these on TV. I use the TV if I am watching with a companion but computer if alone. (Or did I misunderstand you, and you are suggesting we only read?)
It is important that we know what the population are being fed. Too easy to relax into a site like this or CW, containing mostly like minded people. Although these sites are a comfort and a justification of our views, the big bad world goes on unhindered, indoctrinating and confusing the people. We are now approaching the tipping point on whether freedom of speech/thought will survive or be moderated for ever,
Nick Whitehouse
3 years ago
Does the show cover any serious topics, like happiness, the support of friends and neighbours, well being, sucess, improvements in living standards, the cessation of rationing?
Yes. Watch it on Netflix from Day One. The friendships between the nuns and the midwives, the sense of community, the arrival of TVs, cars for ordinary families, new housing actually built for real British families, slum clearance etc. It is all there. And of course every week there is the joy and miracle of new life.
I doubt they’ll have much about the problems created by immigration or say the support for Enoch Powell amongst the indigenous working class in east London in the sixties, perhaps that would be ‘problematic’
Best to read the three diaries by the woman upon whom this series is based. Far more interesting than the tv series and, of course, true to life in all its variety. The diarist encountered a great deal of “diversity” in 1950s and 60s Britain including a woman who birthed 24 children, incest, remarkable cases of survival in dire circumstances and other real life events.
But the point is the Vicar of Dibley episode IS so very much the Church of England now; jumping on any bandwagon on which or by which they can virtue-signal. It’s all so painfully embarrassing.
I can imagine Welby nodding wisely as he watches the episode at home. I think the Anglican Church under the last string of Archbishops have converted 100 to Atheism for each they converted to Anglicanism. It is hard to get fired up about a religion where you suspect the heads do not even believe in it, but are more apostles of Secular Humanism and Woke Liberalism.
In London I always attend a couple Matins at St Pauls (you do not have to pay to get in if you go for a service). They are done in a small side alcove Chapel and attended by about 12 African Christians, half a dozen Chinese and Oriental Christians, a few Europeans, a dozen various foreigners, and maybe half a dozen middle aged White British. I always enjoy the service, and many of the people attending are quite devout, I am surprised not many people go just to avoid the entry fee but it seems most attendees actually are the very few who wish to attend a service in a Cathedral.
Next year, the BBC will probably replace the Queens Speech with “Harry and Megan’s festive pleb lecture”.
I hardly ever agree with Louise Perry, but this is nail on head stuff. As a viewer it’s always painfully obvious to me if characters are there as people or as tokens – all too often these days it’s the latter, but Call the Midwife is a rare exception.
Call the Midwife overall does quite well with these issues. It helps no doubt that the setting involves a time and place where stories can focus on people from quite diverse communities and backgrounds. A show in a different setting might struggle to do the same and that would not make it inferior.
I have found that after the first few series, which were closely based on the books, the feel of the show changed. Initially is seemed a bit of a window to the period being described, not just it’s history but like reading a primary account. Subsequent seasons much more have the feel of a person with a 21st century perspective looking back to that period with a focus on what the 21st century thinks is important.
Nice article.
Good article – nobody has any objection to diverse casting, but it must have an internal logic and be vaguely consistent with what we know of history.
CTM deals with diversity in the right way? Why is it even dealing with diversity? So how is the new All Creatures Great and Small going deal with the non-existent diversity of the time and place? I bet it finds a way.
I’m not sure that you get the point of the article. It deals with non Anglo-saxons because they were there, and it deals with them as they were at the time. Commendable.
There was diversity in the East end of London after the war but hardly in rural Yorkshire. Why would CTM ignore diversity that was there and All Creatures introduce diversity that wasn’t?
The Christmas special of All Creatures did introduce diversity that was a little surprising given the time and place it was set in.
The environment within CTM allows for the expression of diversity. It beautifully portrayed the story of a dying man in the declining Jewish community. His subsequent funeral reduced me to tears.
It’s amazing to me that so many people still have a TV. I never knew that Netflix and YouTube had undone so many.
Many people watch Netflix and You Tube on a computer and many with a computer watch these on TV. I use the TV if I am watching with a companion but computer if alone. (Or did I misunderstand you, and you are suggesting we only read?)
It is important that we know what the population are being fed. Too easy to relax into a site like this or CW, containing mostly like minded people.
Although these sites are a comfort and a justification of our views, the big bad world goes on unhindered, indoctrinating and confusing the people. We are now approaching the tipping point on whether freedom of speech/thought will survive or be moderated for ever,
Does the show cover any serious topics, like happiness, the support of friends and neighbours, well being, sucess, improvements in living standards, the cessation of rationing?
Yes. Watch it on Netflix from Day One. The friendships between the nuns and the midwives, the sense of community, the arrival of TVs, cars for ordinary families, new housing actually built for real British families, slum clearance etc. It is all there. And of course every week there is the joy and miracle of new life.
I doubt they’ll have much about the problems created by immigration or say the support for Enoch Powell amongst the indigenous working class in east London in the sixties, perhaps that would be ‘problematic’
YES!!
Best to read the three diaries by the woman upon whom this series is based. Far more interesting than the tv series and, of course, true to life in all its variety. The diarist encountered a great deal of “diversity” in 1950s and 60s Britain including a woman who birthed 24 children, incest, remarkable cases of survival in dire circumstances and other real life events.