Except it is not funny for the lesbians who are bullied and harrassed for their same sex attraction because they don’t “do d**k”. We are allowed to choose our sexual attraction even though so many men think it is only them who are allowed the choice. We are not bigots or transphobes for making these choices.
The situation is not funny;it is not done for laughs; and lesbians are not invalidated because some men think they are better lesbians than women. These men are sad, pathetic and need psychiatric care.
Jon Redman
2 years ago
Nearly a third of American millennials identify as ‘LGBT’
The actual incidence in 2019 of people in the UK population (which presumably is not so different from the US) identifying as L or G, B, or Other was 3.7%. This was across 25-34 and 35-49-year-olds, i.e. much the same demographic as that in the linked survey.
In 2014 the corresponding figure was 2.3%. So it’s up by half, and within that Other – which I guess includes trans – it has doubled.
That 8 times more than actually are LGBT identify as such suggests a significant mental health problem is building among this cohort.
I always tick the ‘other’ box. I don’t know what it is but it must be a lot of fun.
Sharon Overy
2 years ago
It’s the ‘cheap’ way into the Cool Kids Club. ‘Come out’ as genderfluid (which sounds unhygienic) or gender-nonbinary (my husband calls it gender-nonsensical) and you can call yourself trans without ever having to do or change anything.
It’s like the actresses who haven’t had a gig for a while. They ‘come out’ as bisexual, the ‘progressive’ and mainstream media get briefly excited and call them “stunning and brave”, their agents are able to get them a couple of auditions off the back of the publicity, and they continue to, very publicly, date fellas. They’re confident that nobody will ever say, “How come there’s never a girlfriend?”
I remember laughing when Billy Dee Williams announced he was genderfluid and I thought “of course you are Darling! You’re an actor, you can play anything!’
Ah yes, genderfluid- much more sinister as a noun than an adjective, surely?
Derek Bryce
2 years ago
So very true this. To have a bunch of entitled tourists gatecrash on the equality and acceptance lesbians and gay men struggled over decades to carve out … literally fought and suffered to achieve … just to plumb the shallows of identitarianism and victim politics until they get bored, grow up and move on is so insulting. There’s a backlash coming and I’m concerned that a distinction won’t be made between genuine lesbian and gay people who wanted none of this and the clownshow that’s attached itself to us.
I think it’ll be OK Derek. The reason why equality was attained was because people fundamentally saw the logic and the reasonableness of it. Why should someone suffer discrimination because of something about themselves that they haven’t chosen, can’t change and doesn’t harm anyone?
This is a far higher quality and consistency of argument than anything that has ever emanated from the trans nutters. First of all they dismiss biology. Second they have invented gender to replace it, and make the ludicrous argument that you can become a woman by saying so. Third, they insist that if a gay woman won’t sleep with a man who says he’s a woman, that’s a choice, which she could change. This latter of course is a constructive abandonment of the best argument for gay equality, which is that it’s not a choice. And finally, they do cause harm, because they seek to ruin the lives of anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their loony fringe opinion, and they seek to reorganise even the language we speak around their minuscule minority psychosis.
So there’s really no comparison. The attack on gay equality isn’t coming from the people who originally conceded it to you on its unassailable logic. It’s coming from people who are even nuttier than Julie Bindel. The latter’s in shock because, having been the craziest person in the room for the last 30 years, she’s now encountering people who are as loony to her as she appears to everyone else.
The culture that was generated back in the day by lesbians and gay men living with the unfeigned, not-fun threat of exposure, plus the risk blackmail and social opprobrium, is now a fun youth cosplay craze
Well, not exactly. The earlier gay and lesbian movement had its own hangers on. Political lesbians, LUGs (Lesbian Until Graduation), a whole host of women who adopted “lesbian” styles of dress, disparagement of “heteronormativity” even if you were heterosexual yourself, and a general view that being straight (average, normal, boring) was the worst thing you could be. If nothing else you could invent some hang ups or take drugs.
It’s really just nothing new. What is new is that the adults in the room, having grown up like this themselves, and thinking youth must be right, are taking this silliness seriously.
There was much more real risk back in the day. Someone like Peter Tatchell was extremely brave (and notably did not just address gay rights issues). Quentin Crisp famously before him was also regularly attacked, although he wasn’t political of course.
Of course people also had a lot of fun and others did and said silly things. Actually the ‘movement’ became very conservative indeed as politicians latterly decided to offer us ‘marriage’, which the gay community, especially lesbians, I think with pretty good reason, had always been suspicious of.
I recall that ‘gay’ became kind of fashionable for a while; people like David Bowie toyed with bisexuality and stage flirting with Mick Ronson, but this lasted only to the point when AIDS arrived. That made the climate much more hostile and sent the fair weather supporters scuttling.
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Ed Cameron
2 years ago
Jarvis Cocker has got this covered. From Further Complications:
In no great rush to join the rest of mankind
Where there were further complications
Further complications in store, yeah
I was not born in wartime
I was not born in pain or poverty
I need an addiction, I need an affliction
To cultivate a personality
I need some further complications, oh
Further complications in store, yeah…
…The enemy without has moved in somewhere else
If your parents didn’t screw you up why not do it yourself?…
Check out the whole tune on youtube, Unherd groovers.
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Julian Farrows
2 years ago
Strange how Little Britain accurately depicted the direction the LGBQT movement would go: Dafydd from Little Britain
And their “we’re ladies, wearing lady things” characters dressed like Pollyanna. Whenever I feel enraged at the tantrettes and demands of cross-dressing men claiming they ARE women, I think of this…
Peter LR
2 years ago
Gareth, that was funny; and interesting to note that you listened well during your RE lessons! Mind you, we all had a mad fad in our youth: I had flowers in my hair – which is even more ironic as I now have no hair!
You think so. There was a period in the 70s when it was arguably more public acceptable than homosexuality. In fact a number of public figures on the left, including labour politicians, later got in to trouble fore there support of an organization called PIE (the paedophile information exchange to save you looking it up)
They’ve rebranded to MAPs (Minor Attracted People) and they want to be added to the LGBQTetc, they have been kicked off Tumblr and have moved camp to Twitter. There are those who believe that the Trans lobby is being funded by the MAPs, although I don’t know if there is any truth to it.
Bruce Metzger
2 years ago
Fourth paragraph: “You can’t identify out” of whatever you are, seems to only make commonsense. I’m sick of calling them the “LGBTQ” and another letter. As a year ago I began to refer to them as the alphabet group.
It means fancy dress. It’s Japanese English, from “costume play”. It’s associated with people dressing up as fantasy characters at comic book conventions.
Thank you for that! I thought perhaps it was a pop group..
michael stanwick
2 years ago
Not only ‘cosplay’ but also ‘larping’ perhaps?
Liz Walsh
2 years ago
Why not just come completely out of the closet? Admit one likes to play dress-up a lot? Join only the biggest tent — World Cosplay — so correctly identified here! No need to identify with any other actual practices, to self-limit by self-labeling, and certainly no need to cut off one’s bits on a whim. After all, just because people choose the same costume it does not follow that that they have the same reason for choosing that image. What they do have in common is the spirit of play. Keep it playful. Guising, mummery etc have ancient human traditions — a safety valve for dedicated occasions, not a way of life. There’s too much frowsting at home in front of a glowing screen — people want to get out, come together, play with their images in the company of others. Media’s creepy concern shouldn’t influence them to believing off-the-rack alt-images have much to do with their real individual selves. A holiday is fun exactly because it is a holiday — not self-sentencing of unlimited duration.
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Ethniciodo Rodenydo
2 years ago
“Being LGBT has become cosplay for millennials”
What did you think would happen?
Penny Mcwilliams
2 years ago
Since when has being naff been a crime? This gets perilously close to the kind of exclusion that the author purports to be opposing – can’t just be LGBT, one has to be exactly the right kind of LGBT or you won’t be allowed in. Late adopters and converts not allowed.
Pointless bitching. to my mind
“….kinky straight men, who it has transpired, perhaps surprisingly, are the most oppressed lesbians of all.”
Great article and very very funny.
Agreed. Sadly hilarious and as Swift said: ‘satire is a form of glass wherein beholders discover everybody’s face but their own’.
Except it is not funny for the lesbians who are bullied and harrassed for their same sex attraction because they don’t “do d**k”. We are allowed to choose our sexual attraction even though so many men think it is only them who are allowed the choice. We are not bigots or transphobes for making these choices.
The situation is not funny;it is not done for laughs; and lesbians are not invalidated because some men think they are better lesbians than women. These men are sad, pathetic and need psychiatric care.
The actual incidence in 2019 of people in the UK population (which presumably is not so different from the US) identifying as L or G, B, or Other was 3.7%. This was across 25-34 and 35-49-year-olds, i.e. much the same demographic as that in the linked survey.
In 2014 the corresponding figure was 2.3%. So it’s up by half, and within that Other – which I guess includes trans – it has doubled.
That 8 times more than actually are LGBT identify as such suggests a significant mental health problem is building among this cohort.
I always tick the ‘other’ box. I don’t know what it is but it must be a lot of fun.
It’s the ‘cheap’ way into the Cool Kids Club. ‘Come out’ as genderfluid (which sounds unhygienic) or gender-nonbinary (my husband calls it gender-nonsensical) and you can call yourself trans without ever having to do or change anything.
It’s like the actresses who haven’t had a gig for a while. They ‘come out’ as bisexual, the ‘progressive’ and mainstream media get briefly excited and call them “stunning and brave”, their agents are able to get them a couple of auditions off the back of the publicity, and they continue to, very publicly, date fellas. They’re confident that nobody will ever say, “How come there’s never a girlfriend?”
It’s so shallow and meaningless.
I remember laughing when Billy Dee Williams announced he was genderfluid and I thought “of course you are Darling! You’re an actor, you can play anything!’
You don’t have to blow our lungs out you know….
He didn’t! Are you joking?
The headline said he had, clearly his retraction never passed my feed. The joke was my thought on it.
Ah yes, genderfluid- much more sinister as a noun than an adjective, surely?
So very true this. To have a bunch of entitled tourists gatecrash on the equality and acceptance lesbians and gay men struggled over decades to carve out … literally fought and suffered to achieve … just to plumb the shallows of identitarianism and victim politics until they get bored, grow up and move on is so insulting. There’s a backlash coming and I’m concerned that a distinction won’t be made between genuine lesbian and gay people who wanted none of this and the clownshow that’s attached itself to us.
I think it’ll be OK Derek. The reason why equality was attained was because people fundamentally saw the logic and the reasonableness of it. Why should someone suffer discrimination because of something about themselves that they haven’t chosen, can’t change and doesn’t harm anyone?
This is a far higher quality and consistency of argument than anything that has ever emanated from the trans nutters. First of all they dismiss biology. Second they have invented gender to replace it, and make the ludicrous argument that you can become a woman by saying so. Third, they insist that if a gay woman won’t sleep with a man who says he’s a woman, that’s a choice, which she could change. This latter of course is a constructive abandonment of the best argument for gay equality, which is that it’s not a choice. And finally, they do cause harm, because they seek to ruin the lives of anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their loony fringe opinion, and they seek to reorganise even the language we speak around their minuscule minority psychosis.
So there’s really no comparison. The attack on gay equality isn’t coming from the people who originally conceded it to you on its unassailable logic. It’s coming from people who are even nuttier than Julie Bindel. The latter’s in shock because, having been the craziest person in the room for the last 30 years, she’s now encountering people who are as loony to her as she appears to everyone else.
Cogent summary of the absurdity.
Well, not exactly. The earlier gay and lesbian movement had its own hangers on. Political lesbians, LUGs (Lesbian Until Graduation), a whole host of women who adopted “lesbian” styles of dress, disparagement of “heteronormativity” even if you were heterosexual yourself, and a general view that being straight (average, normal, boring) was the worst thing you could be. If nothing else you could invent some hang ups or take drugs.
It’s really just nothing new. What is new is that the adults in the room, having grown up like this themselves, and thinking youth must be right, are taking this silliness seriously.
There was much more real risk back in the day. Someone like Peter Tatchell was extremely brave (and notably did not just address gay rights issues). Quentin Crisp famously before him was also regularly attacked, although he wasn’t political of course.
Of course people also had a lot of fun and others did and said silly things. Actually the ‘movement’ became very conservative indeed as politicians latterly decided to offer us ‘marriage’, which the gay community, especially lesbians, I think with pretty good reason, had always been suspicious of.
I recall that ‘gay’ became kind of fashionable for a while; people like David Bowie toyed with bisexuality and stage flirting with Mick Ronson, but this lasted only to the point when AIDS arrived. That made the climate much more hostile and sent the fair weather supporters scuttling.
Jarvis Cocker has got this covered. From Further Complications:
In no great rush to join the rest of mankind
Where there were further complications
Further complications in store, yeah
I was not born in wartime
I was not born in pain or poverty
I need an addiction, I need an affliction
To cultivate a personality
I need some further complications, oh
Further complications in store, yeah…
…The enemy without has moved in somewhere else
If your parents didn’t screw you up why not do it yourself?…
Check out the whole tune on youtube, Unherd groovers.
Strange how Little Britain accurately depicted the direction the LGBQT movement would go:
Dafydd from Little Britain
And their “we’re ladies, wearing lady things” characters dressed like Pollyanna. Whenever I feel enraged at the tantrettes and demands of cross-dressing men claiming they ARE women, I think of this…
Gareth, that was funny; and interesting to note that you listened well during your RE lessons! Mind you, we all had a mad fad in our youth: I had flowers in my hair – which is even more ironic as I now have no hair!
Well at least we are assured that paedophilia can never become ‘cool’…. oh! hang on: https://4w.pub/old-dominion-university-assistant-professor-comes-out-in-support-of-destigmatizing-pedophilia/
Not gonna happen
You think so. There was a period in the 70s when it was arguably more public acceptable than homosexuality. In fact a number of public figures on the left, including labour politicians, later got in to trouble fore there support of an organization called PIE (the paedophile information exchange to save you looking it up)
See
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedophiles-infiltrated-the-left-harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt
They’ve rebranded to MAPs (Minor Attracted People) and they want to be added to the LGBQTetc, they have been kicked off Tumblr and have moved camp to Twitter. There are those who believe that the Trans lobby is being funded by the MAPs, although I don’t know if there is any truth to it.
Fourth paragraph: “You can’t identify out” of whatever you are, seems to only make commonsense. I’m sick of calling them the “LGBTQ” and another letter. As a year ago I began to refer to them as the alphabet group.
Never heard of cosplay. Is it a word?
It means fancy dress. It’s Japanese English, from “costume play”. It’s associated with people dressing up as fantasy characters at comic book conventions.
Thank you for that! I thought perhaps it was a pop group..
Not only ‘cosplay’ but also ‘larping’ perhaps?
Why not just come completely out of the closet? Admit one likes to play dress-up a lot? Join only the biggest tent — World Cosplay — so correctly identified here! No need to identify with any other actual practices, to self-limit by self-labeling, and certainly no need to cut off one’s bits on a whim. After all, just because people choose the same costume it does not follow that that they have the same reason for choosing that image. What they do have in common is the spirit of play. Keep it playful. Guising, mummery etc have ancient human traditions — a safety valve for dedicated occasions, not a way of life. There’s too much frowsting at home in front of a glowing screen — people want to get out, come together, play with their images in the company of others. Media’s creepy concern shouldn’t influence them to believing off-the-rack alt-images have much to do with their real individual selves. A holiday is fun exactly because it is a holiday — not self-sentencing of unlimited duration.
“Being LGBT has become cosplay for millennials”
What did you think would happen?
Since when has being naff been a crime? This gets perilously close to the kind of exclusion that the author purports to be opposing – can’t just be LGBT, one has to be exactly the right kind of LGBT or you won’t be allowed in. Late adopters and converts not allowed.
Pointless bitching. to my mind