“This begs a larger question: what happened to the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, which went from a serious insurgent threat when Bernie Sanders was a presidential candidate to nothing more than a sectarian ideological rump?”
No, it doesn’t beg any question. It raises the question, which is a different thing. To beg a question is to presume what must be shown. An example? “When will you stop proposing failed policies, Ms. AOC?” The question is framed to assume the policies are failed. Once they are proven failures, the question is no longer a begging question.
Just another example of the ongoing mutilation and devaluing of the English language by the elites, part of the bigger project to intellectually stunt more and more people, making them increasingly malleable and thus amenable to the odious repressiveness of The Great Reset. ‘You will have nothing, and you will be happy.’ Or else.
Unfortunately, yes. I object to the degradation of the term because it expresses an idea for which we have no other handy expression. Lawyers call the technique “assuming a fact not in evidence,” and use it as an objection to such a question during court proceedings. I don’t expect the legal expression to jump in as a replacement for what’s being tossed away.
He’s obviously using the phrase colloquially, as in ‘asks for the question’, rather than referring to the formal logical fallacy of question-begging.
The word ‘beg’ means to ask for something.
I believe the obsolete correct phrase is “beggaring the question”, i.e. assuming the answer makes a beggar of the question itself. I had assumed that its contraction to “begging the question” was already a corruption. Using it this way merely adds insult to injury, if that is indeed the case.
Jim Veenbaas
1 month ago
I don’t have an issue with public housing. I’m not sure it’s a solution to anything though, and I think it ultimately leads to the growth of urban ghettos. If you want to spend $234 billion, you’re probably better off giving people mortgage guarantees or mortgage subsidies. Ultimately, you need to unshackle the myriad of rules and regulations that restrict residential construction. And you need to ensure that population growth is not exceeding the economy’s ability to build housing.
I wouldn’t take any initiatives developed by AOC as serious policy proposals.
Honestly, I just put it out there. No idea of the implications.
Ian_S
1 month ago
So well said: “… the morally confused state of the activist culture that animates the contemporary Left, in which an insular class of college-educated professionals continually makes the mistake of believing that its particular worldviews are a stand-in for those of ordinary Americans, and are thus universal, when they are anything but.”
But it’s not just America. The entire Western world is suffering from these people’s smug self-congratulating arrogance. It’s precisely this that informs the culture of globalism.
Unfortunately most people have yet to realise that the class war of our time is between the suburban graduate class, with its largely parasitic lifestyle based on unearned property wealth, mass immigration and pointless jobs in the ever-expanding bureaucracy, and the rent payers and wage earners who do the necessary work in society but who are excluded from the property market and pretty well all other opportunities to acquire financial security.
It’s going to end badly.
laurence scaduto
1 month ago
It turns out that there’s lots of very decent middle-class public housing in central Paris and Vienna. Nothing “ghetto” about it. In neither place has it kept market prices down, but it has allowed both cities to maintain the socio-economic mix that’s so important to cosmopolitan life and to retain the small shops (butchers, bakers, candle stick makers etc.) that make a city buzz. And made life better for thousands of families.
So it is possible.
BTW, NYC used to have such things but they were all sold. Nothing there now but high-end IT types; you won’t be hearing Yiddish anymore.
“This begs a larger question: what happened to the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, which went from a serious insurgent threat when Bernie Sanders was a presidential candidate to nothing more than a sectarian ideological rump?”
No, it doesn’t beg any question. It raises the question, which is a different thing. To beg a question is to presume what must be shown. An example? “When will you stop proposing failed policies, Ms. AOC?” The question is framed to assume the policies are failed. Once they are proven failures, the question is no longer a begging question.
It’s become common usage now though, I’d say.
Just another example of the ongoing mutilation and devaluing of the English language by the elites, part of the bigger project to intellectually stunt more and more people, making them increasingly malleable and thus amenable to the odious repressiveness of The Great Reset. ‘You will have nothing, and you will be happy.’ Or else.
Trump cultists claiming the intellectual high ground? I’ve seen it all now!!!
Care to say something, make a complete point, versus just trying to throw witty hand grenades around…
Attempts at wit anyway. And the grenades fail to detonate. Poor old CS, a would-be scorpion, but with no sting in his tail.
No wit, no sting, just vituperative nastiness. Underneath the spiteful sputtering lies a truly pathetic little man.
Or a 12 year old girl.
I guess you’re the only one who doesn’t get the joke, hoss!
Why doesn’t that surprise me?!?!?
Is Studio Largo really a ”Trump cultist”? How did you come by this information?
I’ll mark him down on my black list immediately!
Please do.
Unfortunately, yes. I object to the degradation of the term because it expresses an idea for which we have no other handy expression. Lawyers call the technique “assuming a fact not in evidence,” and use it as an objection to such a question during court proceedings. I don’t expect the legal expression to jump in as a replacement for what’s being tossed away.
He’s obviously using the phrase colloquially, as in ‘asks for the question’, rather than referring to the formal logical fallacy of question-begging.
The word ‘beg’ means to ask for something.
I believe the obsolete correct phrase is “beggaring the question”, i.e. assuming the answer makes a beggar of the question itself. I had assumed that its contraction to “begging the question” was already a corruption. Using it this way merely adds insult to injury, if that is indeed the case.
I don’t have an issue with public housing. I’m not sure it’s a solution to anything though, and I think it ultimately leads to the growth of urban ghettos. If you want to spend $234 billion, you’re probably better off giving people mortgage guarantees or mortgage subsidies. Ultimately, you need to unshackle the myriad of rules and regulations that restrict residential construction. And you need to ensure that population growth is not exceeding the economy’s ability to build housing.
I wouldn’t take any initiatives developed by AOC as serious policy proposals.
Guarantees and subsides will make real estate even more expensive. Bad idea. Zoning laws and immigration enforcement however would help.
Honestly, I just put it out there. No idea of the implications.
So well said: “… the morally confused state of the activist culture that animates the contemporary Left, in which an insular class of college-educated professionals continually makes the mistake of believing that its particular worldviews are a stand-in for those of ordinary Americans, and are thus universal, when they are anything but.”
But it’s not just America. The entire Western world is suffering from these people’s smug self-congratulating arrogance. It’s precisely this that informs the culture of globalism.
Unfortunately most people have yet to realise that the class war of our time is between the suburban graduate class, with its largely parasitic lifestyle based on unearned property wealth, mass immigration and pointless jobs in the ever-expanding bureaucracy, and the rent payers and wage earners who do the necessary work in society but who are excluded from the property market and pretty well all other opportunities to acquire financial security.
It’s going to end badly.
It turns out that there’s lots of very decent middle-class public housing in central Paris and Vienna. Nothing “ghetto” about it. In neither place has it kept market prices down, but it has allowed both cities to maintain the socio-economic mix that’s so important to cosmopolitan life and to retain the small shops (butchers, bakers, candle stick makers etc.) that make a city buzz. And made life better for thousands of families.
So it is possible.
BTW, NYC used to have such things but they were all sold. Nothing there now but high-end IT types; you won’t be hearing Yiddish anymore.