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Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

I fail to be surprised at anything coming out of Scotland right now. Disgusted -yes; surprised – no.

Last edited 1 year ago by Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

I fail to be surprised at anything coming out of Scotland right now. Disgusted -yes; surprised – no.

Last edited 1 year ago by Linda Hutchinson
Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

I worked with one of the very first transitioned people in the UK – now a pensioner – she was sad, anxious, and regretful. She did not feel natural, and felt that she’d been let down and mislead by the surgeon’s ambition and false promises. No doubt, the heaviness of such stories (the shame), along with the Mermaid thought police, prevent such outcomes being known.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

It’s always difficult to know how many people regret what they have done, especially if they pushed hard for it. People rarely like to admit that they were wrong in their decisions, and in particular, in the case of transitioning, they do not want to be castigated by those who, just a short time ago, were their cheer-leaders. It is probably very hard, too, to accept what they have done to themselves, it is so awful that they need to keep telling themselves that it was all for the best – keep saying “I am happy” and then perhaps it will come true. If more support were available for those wishing to de-transition, then perhaps more would pop their heads above the parapit.

Melissa
Melissa
1 year ago

Detransitioners also face abuse from the activist trans crowd.

Melissa
Melissa
1 year ago

Detransitioners also face abuse from the activist trans crowd.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

It’s always difficult to know how many people regret what they have done, especially if they pushed hard for it. People rarely like to admit that they were wrong in their decisions, and in particular, in the case of transitioning, they do not want to be castigated by those who, just a short time ago, were their cheer-leaders. It is probably very hard, too, to accept what they have done to themselves, it is so awful that they need to keep telling themselves that it was all for the best – keep saying “I am happy” and then perhaps it will come true. If more support were available for those wishing to de-transition, then perhaps more would pop their heads above the parapit.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

I worked with one of the very first transitioned people in the UK – now a pensioner – she was sad, anxious, and regretful. She did not feel natural, and felt that she’d been let down and mislead by the surgeon’s ambition and false promises. No doubt, the heaviness of such stories (the shame), along with the Mermaid thought police, prevent such outcomes being known.

Paul Kelly
Paul Kelly
1 year ago

“The care watchdog makes clear that the perceived reality of a child must always be endorsed”

So if my stick thin 12 year old daughter tells me she is fat, I must help her starve herself to death.

B Davis
B Davis
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Kelly

By Jove I think you’ve got it!
And if she thinks herself a movie star, you should be making movies and sending her to Hollywood.
And if she thinks herself a dog (our son used to tell us his highest ambition was to become a dog), well then just buy them some biscuits and chewy toys.
If she perceives that her teachers hate her, you must endorse that belief and help her to embrace her victimhood (while complaining bitterly about the biased teachers)
And If she believes that her parents are racist, White Supremacist Nazis…well, I guess you should join the Aryan Brotherhood, and paint swastikas everywhere.
The entirely ridiculous, anti-growing-up notion that we should embrace & enable a child’s perceived reality is the exactly opposite of what a parent must do. Rather we should help our children understand, accept, and negotiate truth.
Even if it would easier to play-pretend and eat lots of ice cream.

Last edited 1 year ago by B Davis
harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Kelly

More to the point, if she’s anorexic, you must stop feeding her and tell her she needs to lose more weight. Lionel Shriver makes this point much more forcefully in an April 27 Unherd article.
https://unherd.com/2023/04/is-trans-the-new-anorexia/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=ea21fb2f0f&mc_eid=1662cb385d

B Davis
B Davis
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Kelly

By Jove I think you’ve got it!
And if she thinks herself a movie star, you should be making movies and sending her to Hollywood.
And if she thinks herself a dog (our son used to tell us his highest ambition was to become a dog), well then just buy them some biscuits and chewy toys.
If she perceives that her teachers hate her, you must endorse that belief and help her to embrace her victimhood (while complaining bitterly about the biased teachers)
And If she believes that her parents are racist, White Supremacist Nazis…well, I guess you should join the Aryan Brotherhood, and paint swastikas everywhere.
The entirely ridiculous, anti-growing-up notion that we should embrace & enable a child’s perceived reality is the exactly opposite of what a parent must do. Rather we should help our children understand, accept, and negotiate truth.
Even if it would easier to play-pretend and eat lots of ice cream.

Last edited 1 year ago by B Davis
harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Kelly

More to the point, if she’s anorexic, you must stop feeding her and tell her she needs to lose more weight. Lionel Shriver makes this point much more forcefully in an April 27 Unherd article.
https://unherd.com/2023/04/is-trans-the-new-anorexia/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=ea21fb2f0f&mc_eid=1662cb385d

Paul Kelly
Paul Kelly
1 year ago

“The care watchdog makes clear that the perceived reality of a child must always be endorsed”

So if my stick thin 12 year old daughter tells me she is fat, I must help her starve herself to death.

B Davis
B Davis
1 year ago

Fundamental to the oxymoronish practice of so-called ‘gender affirming care’ is the conviction that gender-transition is actually real.
It is not.
One sex cannot ever…in any way at all…become the other sex. Men cannot become women, nor women, men. Transition is and always will be impossible.
“But I feel like a woman!”, the man says. This, too, is absurd. Men cannot know how a woman feels because men are, in fact, men. They can only know how men feel…and actually they can only know how they, themselves feel. Like me saying, ‘but I feel like a zebra’. ‘How do zebras feel?’, we might ask. “Well, since I feel like one, they must feel like I do!”
If logic & proportion….if reason & reality…if science…if truth… if all these things together tell us absolutely that ‘gender transition’ is unreal, then ‘gender affirming care’ can only truly be an effort expended to help the dysphoric accept the bedrock fact that their sex is unchangeable. To provide ‘gender-affirming care’ to a man who believes himself female is to help him understand that he’s not and never will be female.
But if, instead, the ‘Care Inspectorate’ (Orwell would be proud!) insists on pushing the dysphoric to reify their delusion of being other sexed, gender has not been affirmed, it’s been destroyed.
It’s bad enough to watch adults commit sexual suicide. They are adults and free to make their own choices no matter how ludicrous those choices might be.
But to watch the State, as a 21st century Mengele, consciously & deliberately & entirely self-righteously work to enable the sexual destruction of young children is horrifically perverse. This is insanity..and it must be stopped.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  B Davis

A logical observation.

Michael Hanson
Michael Hanson
1 year ago
Reply to  B Davis

I’ve never seen it put better!

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  B Davis

A logical observation.

Michael Hanson
Michael Hanson
1 year ago
Reply to  B Davis

I’ve never seen it put better!

B Davis
B Davis
1 year ago

Fundamental to the oxymoronish practice of so-called ‘gender affirming care’ is the conviction that gender-transition is actually real.
It is not.
One sex cannot ever…in any way at all…become the other sex. Men cannot become women, nor women, men. Transition is and always will be impossible.
“But I feel like a woman!”, the man says. This, too, is absurd. Men cannot know how a woman feels because men are, in fact, men. They can only know how men feel…and actually they can only know how they, themselves feel. Like me saying, ‘but I feel like a zebra’. ‘How do zebras feel?’, we might ask. “Well, since I feel like one, they must feel like I do!”
If logic & proportion….if reason & reality…if science…if truth… if all these things together tell us absolutely that ‘gender transition’ is unreal, then ‘gender affirming care’ can only truly be an effort expended to help the dysphoric accept the bedrock fact that their sex is unchangeable. To provide ‘gender-affirming care’ to a man who believes himself female is to help him understand that he’s not and never will be female.
But if, instead, the ‘Care Inspectorate’ (Orwell would be proud!) insists on pushing the dysphoric to reify their delusion of being other sexed, gender has not been affirmed, it’s been destroyed.
It’s bad enough to watch adults commit sexual suicide. They are adults and free to make their own choices no matter how ludicrous those choices might be.
But to watch the State, as a 21st century Mengele, consciously & deliberately & entirely self-righteously work to enable the sexual destruction of young children is horrifically perverse. This is insanity..and it must be stopped.

William Cameron
William Cameron
1 year ago

Paedophilia- its in plain sight.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

Unhelpful – two hyperbolic wrongs do not make a right.

leculdesac suburbia
leculdesac suburbia
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

You’re wrong. Wish you weren’t. Pedophilia is most definitely imbricated w/in the contemporary transactivist movement. You just haven’t followed it down the rabbit holes, where you’d find viciously violent misogynistic p*rnography that has helped destroy the s*xuality of a generation of boys and set them up for grooming by very disturbed adult men. As a GC feminist, I’ve known this for at least a decade, but check out National Review’s new series on detransitioners to learn more.

And autogynephilia–the pedophilia from the “straight” crossdressing guys–is inherently about transgressing against unwilling females via forced exhibitionism and voyeurism under the guise of “civil rights.” They routinely focus on pubescent girls (also learned via p*rnography) and openly discuss their “eggs” (their inner 12-year-old girl), have child toys over their social media, and encourage each other and literally show each other (see Only Fans accounts) to *asturbate in female changing rooms, bathrooms, and shelters. They talk about getting off on trying on lingerie. One famous pervert has written openly about how to approach pubescent girls about offering them tampons. These men fetishize maxipads and tampons and take drugs or injure themselves to create fake periods. They’re obsessed with first periods. And they love exhibiting their big p*nises to unwilling girls at family pools and gyms.

Wake up.

I’ve had to add astericks to words that have triggered editing–a crystallizing reality, when you think about, wherein the reality of how women and children are abused is all around us, but we can’t talk about it in online fora, even in the most clinical of terms, without being flagged.

Last edited 1 year ago by leculdesac suburbia
Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

Overlapping does not mean equates to. Most of what you cite is a perversion, fetish, kink, often misogynistic, harmful, sometimes not – but not essentially paedophilic – although clearly there will be overlap. Much straight pornography, literature, fashion, advertising also overlaps in this way (not defending it). I just think it weakens the critique to equate the two.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

Encouraging children to engage in life-altering surgery that can forever affect their chances at a healthy sex life is as bad as p**dophilia if not worse.
I believe the ultimate aim of all this is to debase masculinity and make the West similar to Thailand with its open attitude toward ladyboys and prostitution.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

Encouraging children to engage in life-altering surgery that can forever affect their chances at a healthy sex life is as bad as p**dophilia if not worse.
I believe the ultimate aim of all this is to debase masculinity and make the West similar to Thailand with its open attitude toward ladyboys and prostitution.

Vivian Burman
Vivian Burman
1 year ago

Absolutely spot on.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

I’m totally lost can this really be true?

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Unfortunately, just as ‘no-one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the people’, there is seemingly no bottom to perversity. I think leculdesac has made a couple of mistakes though – Generalising – attributing to all/most Trans the worst qualities of the most perverse (Trans does not equal paedophile; that is in itself a vile claim of the sort that greatly weakens the case against Trans activist overreaching); and secondly, following the perverse down their rabbit holes – some SOCA investigators have to do this – even with training and support it may wreak havoc on their psyches.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Take a look at Wings Over Scotland. There’s some well documented case studies of individuals close to the Scottish Government who are quite open about most of what leculdesac refers to.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Unfortunately, just as ‘no-one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the people’, there is seemingly no bottom to perversity. I think leculdesac has made a couple of mistakes though – Generalising – attributing to all/most Trans the worst qualities of the most perverse (Trans does not equal paedophile; that is in itself a vile claim of the sort that greatly weakens the case against Trans activist overreaching); and secondly, following the perverse down their rabbit holes – some SOCA investigators have to do this – even with training and support it may wreak havoc on their psyches.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Take a look at Wings Over Scotland. There’s some well documented case studies of individuals close to the Scottish Government who are quite open about most of what leculdesac refers to.

Andrew Hayes
Andrew Hayes
1 year ago

Thanks for taking the time to explain this point. Sickeningly, you’re absolutely right about this.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

Overlapping does not mean equates to. Most of what you cite is a perversion, fetish, kink, often misogynistic, harmful, sometimes not – but not essentially paedophilic – although clearly there will be overlap. Much straight pornography, literature, fashion, advertising also overlaps in this way (not defending it). I just think it weakens the critique to equate the two.

Vivian Burman
Vivian Burman
1 year ago

Absolutely spot on.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

I’m totally lost can this really be true?

Andrew Hayes
Andrew Hayes
1 year ago

Thanks for taking the time to explain this point. Sickeningly, you’re absolutely right about this.

leculdesac suburbia
leculdesac suburbia
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

You’re wrong. Wish you weren’t. Pedophilia is most definitely imbricated w/in the contemporary transactivist movement. You just haven’t followed it down the rabbit holes, where you’d find viciously violent misogynistic p*rnography that has helped destroy the s*xuality of a generation of boys and set them up for grooming by very disturbed adult men. As a GC feminist, I’ve known this for at least a decade, but check out National Review’s new series on detransitioners to learn more.

And autogynephilia–the pedophilia from the “straight” crossdressing guys–is inherently about transgressing against unwilling females via forced exhibitionism and voyeurism under the guise of “civil rights.” They routinely focus on pubescent girls (also learned via p*rnography) and openly discuss their “eggs” (their inner 12-year-old girl), have child toys over their social media, and encourage each other and literally show each other (see Only Fans accounts) to *asturbate in female changing rooms, bathrooms, and shelters. They talk about getting off on trying on lingerie. One famous pervert has written openly about how to approach pubescent girls about offering them tampons. These men fetishize maxipads and tampons and take drugs or injure themselves to create fake periods. They’re obsessed with first periods. And they love exhibiting their big p*nises to unwilling girls at family pools and gyms.

Wake up.

I’ve had to add astericks to words that have triggered editing–a crystallizing reality, when you think about, wherein the reality of how women and children are abused is all around us, but we can’t talk about it in online fora, even in the most clinical of terms, without being flagged.

Last edited 1 year ago by leculdesac suburbia
leculdesac suburbia
leculdesac suburbia
1 year ago

Reposting this because I used “bad words” in my first post–I’ve replaced w/ stars. But you’re right–and this isn’t hyperbolic. Pedophilia is most definitely imbricated w/in the contemporary transactivist movement. You just haven’t followed it down the rabbit holes, where you’d find viciously violent misogynistic p*rnography that has helped destroy the s*xuality of a generation of boys and set them up for grooming by very disturbed adult men. As a GC feminist, I’ve known this for at least a decade, but check out National Review’s new series on detransitioners to learn more.
And autogynephilia–the pedophilia from the “straight” crossdressing guys–is inherently about transgressing against unwilling females via forced exhibitionism and voyeurism under the guise of “civil rights.” They routinely focus on pubescent girls (also learned via p*rnography) and openly discuss their “eggs” (their inner 12-year-old girl), have child toys over their social media, and encourage each other and literally show each other (see Only Fans accounts) to *asturbate in female changing rooms, bathrooms, and shelters. They talk about getting off on trying on lingerie. One famous pervert has written openly about how to approach pubescent girls about offering them tampons. These men fetishize maxipads and tampons and take drugs or injure themselves to create fake periods. They’re obsessed with first periods. And they love exhibiting their big p*nises to unwilling girls at family pools and gyms.
Wake up.
I’ve had to add astericks to words that have triggered editing–a crystallizing reality, when you think about, wherein the reality of how women and children are abused is all around us, but we can’t talk about it in online fora, even in the most clinical of terms, without being flagged.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

How do you know all this?

J Mo
J Mo
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

If you know the right people on twitter they will share links to and screenshots of these men openly admitting all of this. One thing I’d add is that the fetishization of tampons extends to them taking used ones out of sanitary bins and doing all sorts of things with them. Most people, especially of the “be kind” crew, aren’t aware about the depths of perversion in the trans movement.

J Mo
J Mo
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

If you know the right people on twitter they will share links to and screenshots of these men openly admitting all of this. One thing I’d add is that the fetishization of tampons extends to them taking used ones out of sanitary bins and doing all sorts of things with them. Most people, especially of the “be kind” crew, aren’t aware about the depths of perversion in the trans movement.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

How do you know all this?

Alex Stonor
Alex Stonor
1 year ago

I’d rather call it childism.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

Unhelpful – two hyperbolic wrongs do not make a right.

leculdesac suburbia
leculdesac suburbia
1 year ago

Reposting this because I used “bad words” in my first post–I’ve replaced w/ stars. But you’re right–and this isn’t hyperbolic. Pedophilia is most definitely imbricated w/in the contemporary transactivist movement. You just haven’t followed it down the rabbit holes, where you’d find viciously violent misogynistic p*rnography that has helped destroy the s*xuality of a generation of boys and set them up for grooming by very disturbed adult men. As a GC feminist, I’ve known this for at least a decade, but check out National Review’s new series on detransitioners to learn more.
And autogynephilia–the pedophilia from the “straight” crossdressing guys–is inherently about transgressing against unwilling females via forced exhibitionism and voyeurism under the guise of “civil rights.” They routinely focus on pubescent girls (also learned via p*rnography) and openly discuss their “eggs” (their inner 12-year-old girl), have child toys over their social media, and encourage each other and literally show each other (see Only Fans accounts) to *asturbate in female changing rooms, bathrooms, and shelters. They talk about getting off on trying on lingerie. One famous pervert has written openly about how to approach pubescent girls about offering them tampons. These men fetishize maxipads and tampons and take drugs or injure themselves to create fake periods. They’re obsessed with first periods. And they love exhibiting their big p*nises to unwilling girls at family pools and gyms.
Wake up.
I’ve had to add astericks to words that have triggered editing–a crystallizing reality, when you think about, wherein the reality of how women and children are abused is all around us, but we can’t talk about it in online fora, even in the most clinical of terms, without being flagged.

Alex Stonor
Alex Stonor
1 year ago

I’d rather call it childism.

William Cameron
William Cameron
1 year ago

Paedophilia- its in plain sight.

Jane Tomlinson
Jane Tomlinson
1 year ago

The care inspectorate should be renamed “the don’t care inspectorate” and the word “inclusive” needs to renamed “exclusive of everything stonewall and chums dislike”. And when all these jolly caring people have destroyed childhood, and then the future perhaps they’ll all be happy in their trans bubble.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jane Tomlinson
Jane Tomlinson
Jane Tomlinson
1 year ago

The care inspectorate should be renamed “the don’t care inspectorate” and the word “inclusive” needs to renamed “exclusive of everything stonewall and chums dislike”. And when all these jolly caring people have destroyed childhood, and then the future perhaps they’ll all be happy in their trans bubble.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jane Tomlinson
Alison Wren
Alison Wren
1 year ago

I am so irritated by the continued use of the term “sex-change” when this is impossible, even by authors apparently on the side of reality. Sex is biological and unchangeable in mammals and birds. Gender-affirming makes more sense when describing the mutilation of healthy bodies in the pursuit of a delusion.

Alan Tonkyn
Alan Tonkyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Alison Wren

You are absolutely right, Alison. Even Jan Morris (formerly James) acknowledges that describing the procedures that he/she went through as a ‘sex change’ is simply a convenient ‘shorthand’, and says that no-one has ever changed from being ‘a true man’ to being ‘a true woman’. It is shocking, and mystifying, that a dangerous delusion has been accepted and promoted by powerful people and organisations.

Last edited 1 year ago by Alan Tonkyn
Alan Tonkyn
Alan Tonkyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Alison Wren

You are absolutely right, Alison. Even Jan Morris (formerly James) acknowledges that describing the procedures that he/she went through as a ‘sex change’ is simply a convenient ‘shorthand’, and says that no-one has ever changed from being ‘a true man’ to being ‘a true woman’. It is shocking, and mystifying, that a dangerous delusion has been accepted and promoted by powerful people and organisations.

Last edited 1 year ago by Alan Tonkyn
Alison Wren
Alison Wren
1 year ago

I am so irritated by the continued use of the term “sex-change” when this is impossible, even by authors apparently on the side of reality. Sex is biological and unchangeable in mammals and birds. Gender-affirming makes more sense when describing the mutilation of healthy bodies in the pursuit of a delusion.

Nikki Hayes
Nikki Hayes
1 year ago

What these disgusting perverts are doing to vulnerable children, often autistic or with other mental health issues, is beyond the pale. And do not get me started on the homophobia of convincing young lesbians or gay boys that they are really the opposite gender! We live in a very sick world.

Nikki Hayes
Nikki Hayes
1 year ago

What these disgusting perverts are doing to vulnerable children, often autistic or with other mental health issues, is beyond the pale. And do not get me started on the homophobia of convincing young lesbians or gay boys that they are really the opposite gender! We live in a very sick world.

Melissa
Melissa
1 year ago

Sadly in 10-15 years there will be a reckoning with unprecedented levels of suicide among the “affirmed”. What governments are protecting or even pushing is truly evil. May hell rain on their heads.

Melissa
Melissa
1 year ago

Sadly in 10-15 years there will be a reckoning with unprecedented levels of suicide among the “affirmed”. What governments are protecting or even pushing is truly evil. May hell rain on their heads.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago

There is no such thing as ‘sex change surgery’. UnHerd writers should stop using this term.