All countries are swinging right. The only difference is the mechanics of their electoral systems.
The reason is the same in all countries: mass immigration.
That is the big question Charles. It seems to me that the days of the elite liberal class just ignoring the issue are over. But they are very good at ignoring issues and they might find another way to do so soon. It really only needs all the main parties to ignore the issue at the same time and then the media will ignore it too.
Eventually something will have to give though.
Badly! We have a “spiv” Conservative government with MP’s indirectly lining their pockets from immigration and a pathetic Labour opposition who will open the floodgates to buy votes.
Mass immigration is inevitable in developed countries, as they are magnets for the desperate and aspirational from poorer, less stable countries.
It should be acknowledged that our health care system would have collapsed years ago without immigrants poached from all parts of the world propping it up. Likewise, the care and hospitality sectors are desperate for relatively unskilled labour.
Obviously we shouldn’t be actively promoting immigration to this country, but we can’t stop it. In an case, many more people arrive and overstay visas, than catch an inflatable boat over the Channel.
Two key considerations for the inevitable immigration:
1. Provide additional housing, schools, hospitals and social provision in areas where these people will live.
2. Expect these immigrants to learn the English language and respect and adapt to the local culture and customs, whilst respecting theirs.
Demographic reality dictates that we have to have immigration to maintain a growth economy, like it or not.
That precisely what the fabled Roman Empire thought, but in the end they were overwhelmed and comprehensively destroyed by ‘mass immigration “.
We have been warned.
I completely disagree Adam.
Our healthcare system is at the point of collapse precisely because our immigration levels have been so high. One in six people in Britain is now foreign born! We import the population of Newcastle every year! It is impossible to build the number of hospitals, houses and schools in Newcastle every year, even if the space to do so could be found. Just because we employ a lot of foreign born people in the NHS doesn’t compensate for the fact that we treat far, far more immigrants as patients.
We have built care and hospitality industries on the expectation of them employing cheap foreign labour. It is a con that passes the benefits to the business owners and the immigrants while taking from the rest of the public. A care worker earning the minimum wage pays, at most, £4k tax/ NI a year. We spend £14k per person on public services in Britain. That is before you factor in the cost of the police, the civil service, the armed forces, local government etc.
The result is that the government is always having to borrow to make up the deficit and we have sky-high house prices and mile-long waiting lists.
The only solution is to dramatically reduce the number of immigrants coming here each year. The only thing lacking is the political will to do so.
That will change as they are finding out in Sweden, Italy and, according to this article, maybe Spain.
We in Britain are part way through this journey. We voted to leave the EU to stop unlimited numbers of Europeans coming here. We will have to leave the ECHR and UN Convention on Refugees to stop illegal immigrants (so we can automatically reject the asylum application of everyone entering the country illegally). Then it is just a case of raising the minimum salary threshold for work visas and tightening up the family reunion rules.
Sooner or later the Tories will figure out this is the only way for them to survive.
Yes, this is the reason for the turn to the right. Electorates aren’t daft; they can see the impact mass, uncontrolled immigration has. It’s impossible to have policies on housing, healthcare etc. if immigration’s not sorted out first. Most sensible people realise this (though the liberal intelligentsia don’t like it and we will all be subjected to their ridiculous arguments for some time I fear. The arrival of 1000’s of Albanians on the south coast – none of whom stand a chance of having their asylum claims accepted in Germany or France – has been useful in exposing liberal posturing on this).
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Frankly after digging up Franco’s body, in an act of unparalleled barbarism (not seen in England for more than three hundred years), it would be an act of ‘divine’ justice if Spain was to swing back to the RIGHT.
Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
M. M.
1 year ago
Jorge Gonzalez-Gallarza wrote, “The only solution is to dramatically reduce the number of immigrants coming here each year. The only thing lacking is the political will to do so. That will change as they are finding out in Sweden, Italy …”
The Italians appear to have the political will.
In addition to forcing a ship carrying illegal aliens to go to France instead of allowing the ship to unload the aliens onto Italian shores, Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni of Italy must also distance Italy from the United States, including exiting the American security architecture (which includes the North Atlantic Treaty Organization).
By 2040, the United States will cease being a Western nation, due to open borders. By 2040, most Americans will reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture will dominate. In California, 40% of the residents are currently Hispanic. Most residents of the state already reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture dominates.
The Italian fate will become the American fate unless Meloni strictly enforces Italian borders.
If she enforces the borders, then Italy will remain a Western nation after the United States ceases to be one. The Italians should build strong ties with Hungary, Poland, and other Western nations that enforce their borders in order to preserve Western culture.
I am an American HS civics & economics teacher. I concur with your dates completely. I teach Lockean liberalism and my students love the idea, but they can’t put it into practice. They believe offensive voices should be silenced. They accept the postmodernist idea that men can become women. They think God is a moralistic killjoy. They believe that the goal of society is maximal individual autonomy. And these are students at a Christian school.
2040 is when these kids will start assuming power. The American Right needs to figure out an answer to postmodernism NOW! Because we will be a race-obsessed, intersectional theocracy by then if they don’t. I do not think the Right will succeed in this, because absent religion only ethno-nationalism can hold a society together, and that’s just wokeness with a different race on top.
The beneficial thing for you Europeans is that a woke obsessed America will be far weaker economically — hiring factory workers and bridge builders by their intersectional victimhood score instead of by ability has foreseeable outcomes. So while we Americans will have to suffer through assembly lines that break and bridges that fall down, at least we’ll be less able to undermine your societies by exporting our bizarre social theories. The downside is you’ll have to start funding your own militaries. If I were you, I’d start now.
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
It is about time that this phenomena was re- titled? It is AGAINST the extreme right who are the climate change/racism/ LGBT National Socialists, NOT the free speech freedom of expression majority, who are totally and utterly wrongly labled ” Extreme Right”!
‘They’ formerly used the term Fascist, but now seem to prefer Extreme Right.
All nonsense really but ‘Commies’ never give up, hence the joy of baiting them?
Most of our elites (the uber-educated professional / managerial class) literally don’t know anyone to the right of Macron. No one. Imagine living in a world where Macron was the far right end of your political spectrum and the center was Scandinavian Socialism. If everyone you know is in that range, anyone further right must be w weirdo / dangerous fascist.
We’re all prone to the belief that our own views must be the center But the Professional Managerial Class has placed themselves in such a tight bubble that they don’t realize how divorced they are from the world of the non-college working stiff.
Brian Villanueva
1 year ago
Considering Spain’s history, I wonder if the Socialists will agree to turn over power to the Republicans cleanly, or try and cling to it like they did in the 30’s.
(I am kidding; the Spanish Civil War was terrible and I have no reason to believe the current Leftist parties would embark on such a path.)
All countries are swinging right. The only difference is the mechanics of their electoral systems.
The reason is the same in all countries: mass immigration.
How will this all end?
That is the big question Charles. It seems to me that the days of the elite liberal class just ignoring the issue are over. But they are very good at ignoring issues and they might find another way to do so soon. It really only needs all the main parties to ignore the issue at the same time and then the media will ignore it too.
Eventually something will have to give though.
Rather like the issue of EU membership
Badly! We have a “spiv” Conservative government with MP’s indirectly lining their pockets from immigration and a pathetic Labour opposition who will open the floodgates to buy votes.
corrupt countries in civil war end.
Mass immigration is inevitable in developed countries, as they are magnets for the desperate and aspirational from poorer, less stable countries.
It should be acknowledged that our health care system would have collapsed years ago without immigrants poached from all parts of the world propping it up. Likewise, the care and hospitality sectors are desperate for relatively unskilled labour.
Obviously we shouldn’t be actively promoting immigration to this country, but we can’t stop it. In an case, many more people arrive and overstay visas, than catch an inflatable boat over the Channel.
Two key considerations for the inevitable immigration:
1. Provide additional housing, schools, hospitals and social provision in areas where these people will live.
2. Expect these immigrants to learn the English language and respect and adapt to the local culture and customs, whilst respecting theirs.
Demographic reality dictates that we have to have immigration to maintain a growth economy, like it or not.
That precisely what the fabled Roman Empire thought, but in the end they were overwhelmed and comprehensively destroyed by ‘mass immigration “.
We have been warned.
I completely disagree Adam.
Our healthcare system is at the point of collapse precisely because our immigration levels have been so high. One in six people in Britain is now foreign born! We import the population of Newcastle every year! It is impossible to build the number of hospitals, houses and schools in Newcastle every year, even if the space to do so could be found. Just because we employ a lot of foreign born people in the NHS doesn’t compensate for the fact that we treat far, far more immigrants as patients.
We have built care and hospitality industries on the expectation of them employing cheap foreign labour. It is a con that passes the benefits to the business owners and the immigrants while taking from the rest of the public. A care worker earning the minimum wage pays, at most, £4k tax/ NI a year. We spend £14k per person on public services in Britain. That is before you factor in the cost of the police, the civil service, the armed forces, local government etc.
The result is that the government is always having to borrow to make up the deficit and we have sky-high house prices and mile-long waiting lists.
The only solution is to dramatically reduce the number of immigrants coming here each year. The only thing lacking is the political will to do so.
That will change as they are finding out in Sweden, Italy and, according to this article, maybe Spain.
We in Britain are part way through this journey. We voted to leave the EU to stop unlimited numbers of Europeans coming here. We will have to leave the ECHR and UN Convention on Refugees to stop illegal immigrants (so we can automatically reject the asylum application of everyone entering the country illegally). Then it is just a case of raising the minimum salary threshold for work visas and tightening up the family reunion rules.
Sooner or later the Tories will figure out this is the only way for them to survive.
Excellent! Thanks.
“Mass immigration is inevitable”
Wrong.
Yes, this is the reason for the turn to the right. Electorates aren’t daft; they can see the impact mass, uncontrolled immigration has. It’s impossible to have policies on housing, healthcare etc. if immigration’s not sorted out first. Most sensible people realise this (though the liberal intelligentsia don’t like it and we will all be subjected to their ridiculous arguments for some time I fear. The arrival of 1000’s of Albanians on the south coast – none of whom stand a chance of having their asylum claims accepted in Germany or France – has been useful in exposing liberal posturing on this).
Frankly after digging up Franco’s body, in an act of unparalleled barbarism (not seen in England for more than three hundred years), it would be an act of ‘divine’ justice if Spain was to swing back to the RIGHT.
Jorge Gonzalez-Gallarza wrote, “The only solution is to dramatically reduce the number of immigrants coming here each year. The only thing lacking is the political will to do so. That will change as they are finding out in Sweden, Italy …”
The Italians appear to have the political will.
In addition to forcing a ship carrying illegal aliens to go to France instead of allowing the ship to unload the aliens onto Italian shores, Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni of Italy must also distance Italy from the United States, including exiting the American security architecture (which includes the North Atlantic Treaty Organization).
By 2040, the United States will cease being a Western nation, due to open borders. By 2040, most Americans will reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture will dominate. In California, 40% of the residents are currently Hispanic. Most residents of the state already reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture dominates.
The Italian fate will become the American fate unless Meloni strictly enforces Italian borders.
If she enforces the borders, then Italy will remain a Western nation after the United States ceases to be one. The Italians should build strong ties with Hungary, Poland, and other Western nations that enforce their borders in order to preserve Western culture.
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I am an American HS civics & economics teacher. I concur with your dates completely. I teach Lockean liberalism and my students love the idea, but they can’t put it into practice. They believe offensive voices should be silenced. They accept the postmodernist idea that men can become women. They think God is a moralistic killjoy. They believe that the goal of society is maximal individual autonomy. And these are students at a Christian school.
2040 is when these kids will start assuming power. The American Right needs to figure out an answer to postmodernism NOW! Because we will be a race-obsessed, intersectional theocracy by then if they don’t. I do not think the Right will succeed in this, because absent religion only ethno-nationalism can hold a society together, and that’s just wokeness with a different race on top.
The beneficial thing for you Europeans is that a woke obsessed America will be far weaker economically — hiring factory workers and bridge builders by their intersectional victimhood score instead of by ability has foreseeable outcomes. So while we Americans will have to suffer through assembly lines that break and bridges that fall down, at least we’ll be less able to undermine your societies by exporting our bizarre social theories. The downside is you’ll have to start funding your own militaries. If I were you, I’d start now.
It is about time that this phenomena was re- titled? It is AGAINST the extreme right who are the climate change/racism/ LGBT National Socialists, NOT the free speech freedom of expression majority, who are totally and utterly wrongly labled ” Extreme Right”!
‘They’ formerly used the term Fascist, but now seem to prefer Extreme Right.
All nonsense really but ‘Commies’ never give up, hence the joy of baiting them?
Most of our elites (the uber-educated professional / managerial class) literally don’t know anyone to the right of Macron. No one. Imagine living in a world where Macron was the far right end of your political spectrum and the center was Scandinavian Socialism. If everyone you know is in that range, anyone further right must be w weirdo / dangerous fascist.
We’re all prone to the belief that our own views must be the center But the Professional Managerial Class has placed themselves in such a tight bubble that they don’t realize how divorced they are from the world of the non-college working stiff.
Considering Spain’s history, I wonder if the Socialists will agree to turn over power to the Republicans cleanly, or try and cling to it like they did in the 30’s.
(I am kidding; the Spanish Civil War was terrible and I have no reason to believe the current Leftist parties would embark on such a path.)
I admire your confidence, by why should the Spanish NOT behave as the Irish, Serbs,Croats,Slovenes etc, have done in recent years?
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