“I’m sure you understand what I’m saying, but an algorithm or a 23-year-old, non-binary, Queer Studies-grad Twitter moderator slouched in a rent-controlled apartment in San Francisco? Perhaps not so much.”
Priceless!
Sorry, was supposed to be a reply to Prashant Kodak.
Actually there is another way to moderate, already built in, it’s called a red flag. Each and every person can be part of the moderation team, rather than some ‘stupid’ computer, before being ratified by ‘Samantha’ (just my little radio 4 fantasy) It’s absolutely ridiculous that direct quotes of words, phrases or sentences, as used in the articles, can run afoul of the censor, when used by a person commenting on same said article.
This is nonsense and will cost Unherd. I have also protested recently. I have never seen a ‘moderateable’ comment from you!
Julian Farrows
2 years ago
This is a good mini-article, particularly the line about how deranged the West has become. Most of the craziness stems from media platforms like Twitter, but unfortunately it’s starting to leak into non-internet life too as witnessed by the seriousness with which politicians and educators treat daft concepts such as systemic racism, privilege, toxic masculinity, and transgenderism.
The invention of the printing press was followed by economic depression, conspiracy theories, witch hunts, war and plague.
My view on this is that most humans are fundamentalists in that they look for simple solutions to complex problems. Back in the 1600s it was ‘witches’, now it’s ‘white men’.
David McKee
2 years ago
Never mind the algorithms, it’s the human moderators who are just downright weird. Guardian moderators, for example, are happy to let criticisms of right-wing personalities which are borderline libellous go through on the nod. But criticisms of left-wing figures, especially the pooh-bahs who wrote the piece being commented on? No chance.
I crossed the line at The Conversation recently. Some professor wrote a political polemic. Well, OK, it’s a free country. I was rather scathing, in a polite sort of way. That was deleted, and no appeal. Academics seem to have very thin skins, don’t they?
Anyone with the power to censor, or the censors on their side, will quickly develop a very thin skin. Funny, that.
Ian McKinney
2 years ago
“This is the kind of backfiring legislation that only the British Conservative Party, with its shotgun forever pointed right at its own face could rustle up.”
Yes! Very good.
Enjoyed this article!
J Bryant
2 years ago
But you didn’t tell us what it was like in Twitter prison, Gareth.
Was there a giant bouncy ball that recaptured you if you escaped, like in The Prisoner?
Were Charles Aznavour’s greatest hits played on endless rerun?
Was the food good or was it greasy french fries chips and deep-fried haggis?
Were you forced to read The Complete Thoughts of Nancy Pelosi?
As a journalist, you should know the story lies in the details. 🙂
You have listed several quite awful horrors, except, what is wrong with haggis & chips? 5 million Scots can’t all be wrong (though they did vote for Nicola Sturgeon & Ian Blackford so maybe they can be).
Slopmop McTeash
2 years ago
Maybe, just maybe the lesson you should have learned is that itis best to steer clear of such toxic social media sites such as Twitter. Twitter is home only to vermin and egocentric busy-bodies.
That just doesn’t address the problem. Most organisations of any size including a huge number of social clubs now use Twitter. Updates for public transport services among many other are often given only on Twitter. It is a bit like saying, ‘steer clear of books (or notebooks’, or the radio etc).
It is an important communication technology whose abuse to promote a single political / ideological viewpoint should not be accepted.
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Martin Smith
1 year ago
To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I would not wish to be posting on a social media site from which I was not banned.
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Prashant Kotak
2 years ago
“…though AI may or may not be on the verge of developing sentience, I suspect it’s a long way from developing an appreciation of irony…”
The whole of humanity is being trolled by the nexus of social media AI algorithms, and you think AI doesn’t have a sense of irony?!
Giles Toman
1 year ago
Why do people fuss on about “twitter storms” as if they really matter? It is a forum that people can choose to be on, to speak on, and to read, or not to read.
If you ignore it, then guess what? You get to carry on with your life without knowing or caring what all of these fools are twitting, twatting or tweeting about.
James Kirk
1 year ago
More fool you for engaging with twitter politics full of immature kids and trolls.
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Do the Tweeps and even know what is happening at Twitter? Their head office is abandoned and they spend a lot of time weeping and venting in their ‘slack rooms’ (read in their jimjams chilling at home). Definitely time for Musk to come and fire a bunch and slap the rest into shape.
Richard Powell
1 year ago
As Gareth won’t let me see his tweets – I have absolutely no idea why he has blcoked me – I feel it’s a bit rich for him to complain about arbitrary moderation.
ARNAUD ALMARIC
2 years ago
Spoken like the great Etonian! Well done Sir!
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
“Twitter marks a far greater transformation than the printing press, with potentially even more cataclysmic consequences.” What greater than endless European wars during the Reformation? Gawd you really think your experiences are sooooo important. Just like the self centred kids you mock.
“I’m sure you understand what I’m saying, but an algorithm or a 23-year-old, non-binary, Queer Studies-grad Twitter moderator slouched in a rent-controlled apartment in San Francisco? Perhaps not so much.”
Priceless!
Sorry, was supposed to be a reply to Prashant Kodak.
Actually there is another way to moderate, already built in, it’s called a red flag. Each and every person can be part of the moderation team, rather than some ‘stupid’ computer, before being ratified by ‘Samantha’ (just my little radio 4 fantasy) It’s absolutely ridiculous that direct quotes of words, phrases or sentences, as used in the articles, can run afoul of the censor, when used by a person commenting on same said article.
This is nonsense and will cost Unherd. I have also protested recently. I have never seen a ‘moderateable’ comment from you!
This is a good mini-article, particularly the line about how deranged the West has become. Most of the craziness stems from media platforms like Twitter, but unfortunately it’s starting to leak into non-internet life too as witnessed by the seriousness with which politicians and educators treat daft concepts such as systemic racism, privilege, toxic masculinity, and transgenderism.
The invention of the printing press was followed by economic depression, conspiracy theories, witch hunts, war and plague.
My view on this is that most humans are fundamentalists in that they look for simple solutions to complex problems. Back in the 1600s it was ‘witches’, now it’s ‘white men’.
Never mind the algorithms, it’s the human moderators who are just downright weird. Guardian moderators, for example, are happy to let criticisms of right-wing personalities which are borderline libellous go through on the nod. But criticisms of left-wing figures, especially the pooh-bahs who wrote the piece being commented on? No chance.
I crossed the line at The Conversation recently. Some professor wrote a political polemic. Well, OK, it’s a free country. I was rather scathing, in a polite sort of way. That was deleted, and no appeal. Academics seem to have very thin skins, don’t they?
Anyone with the power to censor, or the censors on their side, will quickly develop a very thin skin. Funny, that.
“This is the kind of backfiring legislation that only the British Conservative Party, with its shotgun forever pointed right at its own face could rustle up.”
Yes! Very good.
Enjoyed this article!
But you didn’t tell us what it was like in Twitter prison, Gareth.
Was there a giant bouncy ball that recaptured you if you escaped, like in The Prisoner?
Were Charles Aznavour’s greatest hits played on endless rerun?
Was the food good or was it greasy
french fries chips and deep-fried haggis?Were you forced to read The Complete Thoughts of Nancy Pelosi?
As a journalist, you should know the story lies in the details. 🙂
No, it probably just consisted of real life – just with less aggro and much less wasted time.
Now THIS deserves to go at the top – in fact it’s better than the entire piece, comments included! (Yep: I’m wasting my time here too…)
You have listed several quite awful horrors, except, what is wrong with haggis & chips? 5 million Scots can’t all be wrong (though they did vote for Nicola Sturgeon & Ian Blackford so maybe they can be).
Maybe, just maybe the lesson you should have learned is that itis best to steer clear of such toxic social media sites such as Twitter. Twitter is home only to vermin and egocentric busy-bodies.
That just doesn’t address the problem. Most organisations of any size including a huge number of social clubs now use Twitter. Updates for public transport services among many other are often given only on Twitter. It is a bit like saying, ‘steer clear of books (or notebooks’, or the radio etc).
It is an important communication technology whose abuse to promote a single political / ideological viewpoint should not be accepted.
To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I would not wish to be posting on a social media site from which I was not banned.
“…though AI may or may not be on the verge of developing sentience, I suspect it’s a long way from developing an appreciation of irony…”
The whole of humanity is being trolled by the nexus of social media AI algorithms, and you think AI doesn’t have a sense of irony?!
Why do people fuss on about “twitter storms” as if they really matter? It is a forum that people can choose to be on, to speak on, and to read, or not to read.
If you ignore it, then guess what? You get to carry on with your life without knowing or caring what all of these fools are twitting, twatting or tweeting about.
More fool you for engaging with twitter politics full of immature kids and trolls.
Do the Tweeps and even know what is happening at Twitter? Their head office is abandoned and they spend a lot of time weeping and venting in their ‘slack rooms’ (read in their jimjams chilling at home). Definitely time for Musk to come and fire a bunch and slap the rest into shape.
As Gareth won’t let me see his tweets – I have absolutely no idea why he has blcoked me – I feel it’s a bit rich for him to complain about arbitrary moderation.
Spoken like the great Etonian! Well done Sir!
“Twitter marks a far greater transformation than the printing press, with potentially even more cataclysmic consequences.”
What greater than endless European wars during the Reformation? Gawd you really think your experiences are sooooo important. Just like the self centred kids you mock.
Yes, quite. The printing press was at least one of the causes of the 30 Years War which devastated much of Europe in the 17th century.