The public square that is UnHerd is enough for me. I think democracy should be able to survive whatever happens to Twitter, and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t deserve to.
I think MH has run out of steam and is desperate to find a big cause where there is none.
Andrew D
1 year ago
The public square that is UnHerd is enough for me. I think democracy should be able to survive whatever happens to Twitter, and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t deserve to.
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
“Election denier” is as perverse a pejorative as “climate denier”. No one denies climate exists. No one denies elections exist. Disagreeing on the levels of honesty involved in issues surrounding them is not denial. Like the nonexistent but still referenced “don’t say gay” bill, these deviant abuses of language get worse when good writers like Mary lend them legitimacy, scare quotes or no.
Well said. But the left dictates what false narratives become adopted as truth on the various leftist platforms. Same for the right.
Mary is correct. When each side has their own outlets, what’s the use of debate anymore? We have devolved into our own little worlds of truth. Social media is at the heart of the problem. There is no more civil discussion about anything. Revolution is the only answer, therefore.
Well said. But the left dictates what false narratives become adopted as truth on the various leftist platforms. Same for the right.
Mary is correct. When each side has their own outlets, what’s the use of debate anymore? We have devolved into our own little worlds of truth. Social media is at the heart of the problem. There is no more civil discussion about anything. Revolution is the only answer, therefore.
Did you not notice the quote marks around ‘election denier’?
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
“Election denier” is as perverse a pejorative as “climate denier”. No one denies climate exists. No one denies elections exist. Disagreeing on the levels of honesty involved in issues surrounding them is not denial. Like the nonexistent but still referenced “don’t say gay” bill, these deviant abuses of language get worse when good writers like Mary lend them legitimacy, scare quotes or no.
Brendan O'Leary
1 year ago
Yes indeed.
And you can add “referendum deniers” to “election deniers”.
The greatest of which are the ERG, who interpret a skin-of-the-teeth win as a full mandate for their particular form of Brexit.
Brendan O'Leary
1 year ago
Yes indeed.
And you can add “referendum deniers” to “election deniers”.
James Sullivan
1 year ago
You are absolutely right: 20 years online has proven that people, by and large, do not want free and open forums, and will punish those who do. I’ve seen this first hand as a moderator on a fairly active forum myself.
James Sullivan
1 year ago
You are absolutely right: 20 years online has proven that people, by and large, do not want free and open forums, and will punish those who do. I’ve seen this first hand as a moderator on a fairly active forum myself.
laurence scaduto
1 year ago
Ms. Harrington is describing the situation that existed before Musk’s purchase of Twitter, with an important twist. The progressives ruled Twitter but the other side, with nothing comparable, were left out in the cold. And so without a way to engage with each other both sides tumbled into conspiracy theories and silly name-calling.
So we should all hope that Truth Social is successful.
As for Trump, he’ll jump back on Twitter when it suits him. But, with a bit of luck, his star is already dimming. Convincing him of that will take some time.
laurence scaduto
1 year ago
Ms. Harrington is describing the situation that existed before Musk’s purchase of Twitter, with an important twist. The progressives ruled Twitter but the other side, with nothing comparable, were left out in the cold. And so without a way to engage with each other both sides tumbled into conspiracy theories and silly name-calling.
So we should all hope that Truth Social is successful.
As for Trump, he’ll jump back on Twitter when it suits him. But, with a bit of luck, his star is already dimming. Convincing him of that will take some time.
Corey o,Connor
1 year ago
It is because he has his own platform and I am sure he has investors and he probably wants to keep at it bc if he wins truth social WILL grow massively. And if he doesn’t win he probably will join Twitter again then as I am sure he will want his daughter or sons to run. So he will want to stay in the public discourse but for time being I am sure he wants to stay loyal to his new business. Plus I am sure he enjoys the fact they lost 50% of their value since he left. Owners of Facebook lost personally over 100 billion from banning him. Facebook isn’t even a major company anymore in us.
Corey o,Connor
1 year ago
It is because he has his own platform and I am sure he has investors and he probably wants to keep at it bc if he wins truth social WILL grow massively. And if he doesn’t win he probably will join Twitter again then as I am sure he will want his daughter or sons to run. So he will want to stay in the public discourse but for time being I am sure he wants to stay loyal to his new business. Plus I am sure he enjoys the fact they lost 50% of their value since he left. Owners of Facebook lost personally over 100 billion from banning him. Facebook isn’t even a major company anymore in us.
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago
Things are unfolding as planned.
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago
Things are unfolding as planned.
Richard Abbot
1 year ago
The large polity was destroyed in 2016 when Remainiacs and Anti-Trumpers refused to accept the results of free and fair elections. These are the people who burned democracy to the ground. We are 6 years on and have only just started to sift through the ruins.
Richard Abbot
1 year ago
The large polity was destroyed in 2016 when Remainiacs and Anti-Trumpers refused to accept the results of free and fair elections. These are the people who burned democracy to the ground. We are 6 years on and have only just started to sift through the ruins.
Lindsay H
1 year ago
There are rumors that Apple and Google (owners of app platforms) are planning to delist and exile Twitter in much the same way that Parler was exiled. (Apple, worth noting, has recently deleted all of their tweets from the platform.)
Meanwhile, Dorsey and Musk have both mused about developing an ‘alternate’ internet-based OS on a Tesla-type phone. The Bitcoin crowd, including the likes of Michael Saylor, could easily underwrite that, thereby creating a ‘Renegade’ silo.
Presently, Twitter is bleeding buckets. High-profile advertisers have decamped. In light of the bogus impersonation of pharmacutical giant Elli Lilly, other corporations have paused further advertising. (A ‘blue-checked’ imposter tweeted that insulin was now free. Stock values plunged.) Musk’s subscription plan cannot make-up the shortfall. Sure, as head influencer, he now has 119+ million personal followers and will convert many. Even so, $44 billion was a lot to pay for a ‘mailing list’. He’s basically carrying a corpse.
The silo phenomenon MH mentioned is inevitable. Journalists and informants will continue to hop walls to observe and get quotes from powerful adversaries. (Coincidentally, presidential hopeful, Kanye West, aka Ye, just bought Parler.)
The neo-liberal and globalist agenda is splintering and re-aligning into feudal-like fiefdoms under rich, strong-armed and loud-mouthed ‘social-media’ influencers and wannabe-rulers.
… And we, the screen-addicted, continue to follow …
Graeme McNeil
1 year ago
Strange how the author chooses not to mention the absolute dumpster fire that Musk has turned Twitter into in these short few weeks. His $44BN is probably worth pretty close to zero now and when he gets snubbed by a doofus like Trump then the bells are tolling at Twitter.
I hope “owning the libs” was worth it, Elon…
Twitter is a dumpster fire? For all the hullabaloo and hand wringing about employee departures, I’ve noticed very little difference in performance, and the usual suspects still participating. Rumours of its death appear, so far, greatly exaggerated.
Twitter is a dumpster fire? For all the hullabaloo and hand wringing about employee departures, I’ve noticed very little difference in performance, and the usual suspects still participating. Rumours of its death appear, so far, greatly exaggerated.
Graeme McNeil
1 year ago
Strange how the author chooses not to mention the absolute dumpster fire that Musk has turned Twitter into in these short few weeks. His $44BN is probably worth pretty close to zero now and when he gets snubbed by a doofus like Trump then the bells are tolling at Twitter.
I hope “owning the libs” was worth it, Elon…
The public square that is UnHerd is enough for me. I think democracy should be able to survive whatever happens to Twitter, and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t deserve to.
Yes, we did manage before twitter.
I think MH has run out of steam and is desperate to find a big cause where there is none.
Huh? Huh?
Huh? Huh?
Yes, we did manage before twitter.
I think MH has run out of steam and is desperate to find a big cause where there is none.
The public square that is UnHerd is enough for me. I think democracy should be able to survive whatever happens to Twitter, and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t deserve to.
“Election denier” is as perverse a pejorative as “climate denier”. No one denies climate exists. No one denies elections exist. Disagreeing on the levels of honesty involved in issues surrounding them is not denial. Like the nonexistent but still referenced “don’t say gay” bill, these deviant abuses of language get worse when good writers like Mary lend them legitimacy, scare quotes or no.
Well said. But the left dictates what false narratives become adopted as truth on the various leftist platforms. Same for the right.
Mary is correct. When each side has their own outlets, what’s the use of debate anymore? We have devolved into our own little worlds of truth. Social media is at the heart of the problem. There is no more civil discussion about anything. Revolution is the only answer, therefore.
The whole final paragraph is poor English and weak thinking
Did you not notice the quote marks around ‘election denier’?
Well said. But the left dictates what false narratives become adopted as truth on the various leftist platforms. Same for the right.
Mary is correct. When each side has their own outlets, what’s the use of debate anymore? We have devolved into our own little worlds of truth. Social media is at the heart of the problem. There is no more civil discussion about anything. Revolution is the only answer, therefore.
The whole final paragraph is poor English and weak thinking
Did you not notice the quote marks around ‘election denier’?
“Election denier” is as perverse a pejorative as “climate denier”. No one denies climate exists. No one denies elections exist. Disagreeing on the levels of honesty involved in issues surrounding them is not denial. Like the nonexistent but still referenced “don’t say gay” bill, these deviant abuses of language get worse when good writers like Mary lend them legitimacy, scare quotes or no.
Yes indeed.
And you can add “referendum deniers” to “election deniers”.
The greatest of which are the ERG, who interpret a skin-of-the-teeth win as a full mandate for their particular form of Brexit.
The greatest of which are the ERG, who interpret a skin-of-the-teeth win as a full mandate for their particular form of Brexit.
Yes indeed.
And you can add “referendum deniers” to “election deniers”.
You are absolutely right: 20 years online has proven that people, by and large, do not want free and open forums, and will punish those who do. I’ve seen this first hand as a moderator on a fairly active forum myself.
You are absolutely right: 20 years online has proven that people, by and large, do not want free and open forums, and will punish those who do. I’ve seen this first hand as a moderator on a fairly active forum myself.
Ms. Harrington is describing the situation that existed before Musk’s purchase of Twitter, with an important twist. The progressives ruled Twitter but the other side, with nothing comparable, were left out in the cold. And so without a way to engage with each other both sides tumbled into conspiracy theories and silly name-calling.
So we should all hope that Truth Social is successful.
As for Trump, he’ll jump back on Twitter when it suits him. But, with a bit of luck, his star is already dimming. Convincing him of that will take some time.
Ms. Harrington is describing the situation that existed before Musk’s purchase of Twitter, with an important twist. The progressives ruled Twitter but the other side, with nothing comparable, were left out in the cold. And so without a way to engage with each other both sides tumbled into conspiracy theories and silly name-calling.
So we should all hope that Truth Social is successful.
As for Trump, he’ll jump back on Twitter when it suits him. But, with a bit of luck, his star is already dimming. Convincing him of that will take some time.
It is because he has his own platform and I am sure he has investors and he probably wants to keep at it bc if he wins truth social WILL grow massively. And if he doesn’t win he probably will join Twitter again then as I am sure he will want his daughter or sons to run. So he will want to stay in the public discourse but for time being I am sure he wants to stay loyal to his new business. Plus I am sure he enjoys the fact they lost 50% of their value since he left. Owners of Facebook lost personally over 100 billion from banning him. Facebook isn’t even a major company anymore in us.
It is because he has his own platform and I am sure he has investors and he probably wants to keep at it bc if he wins truth social WILL grow massively. And if he doesn’t win he probably will join Twitter again then as I am sure he will want his daughter or sons to run. So he will want to stay in the public discourse but for time being I am sure he wants to stay loyal to his new business. Plus I am sure he enjoys the fact they lost 50% of their value since he left. Owners of Facebook lost personally over 100 billion from banning him. Facebook isn’t even a major company anymore in us.
Things are unfolding as planned.
Things are unfolding as planned.
The large polity was destroyed in 2016 when Remainiacs and Anti-Trumpers refused to accept the results of free and fair elections. These are the people who burned democracy to the ground. We are 6 years on and have only just started to sift through the ruins.
The large polity was destroyed in 2016 when Remainiacs and Anti-Trumpers refused to accept the results of free and fair elections. These are the people who burned democracy to the ground. We are 6 years on and have only just started to sift through the ruins.
There are rumors that Apple and Google (owners of app platforms) are planning to delist and exile Twitter in much the same way that Parler was exiled. (Apple, worth noting, has recently deleted all of their tweets from the platform.)
Meanwhile, Dorsey and Musk have both mused about developing an ‘alternate’ internet-based OS on a Tesla-type phone. The Bitcoin crowd, including the likes of Michael Saylor, could easily underwrite that, thereby creating a ‘Renegade’ silo.
Presently, Twitter is bleeding buckets. High-profile advertisers have decamped. In light of the bogus impersonation of pharmacutical giant Elli Lilly, other corporations have paused further advertising. (A ‘blue-checked’ imposter tweeted that insulin was now free. Stock values plunged.) Musk’s subscription plan cannot make-up the shortfall. Sure, as head influencer, he now has 119+ million personal followers and will convert many. Even so, $44 billion was a lot to pay for a ‘mailing list’. He’s basically carrying a corpse.
The silo phenomenon MH mentioned is inevitable. Journalists and informants will continue to hop walls to observe and get quotes from powerful adversaries. (Coincidentally, presidential hopeful, Kanye West, aka Ye, just bought Parler.)
The neo-liberal and globalist agenda is splintering and re-aligning into feudal-like fiefdoms under rich, strong-armed and loud-mouthed ‘social-media’ influencers and wannabe-rulers.
… And we, the screen-addicted, continue to follow …
Strange how the author chooses not to mention the absolute dumpster fire that Musk has turned Twitter into in these short few weeks. His $44BN is probably worth pretty close to zero now and when he gets snubbed by a doofus like Trump then the bells are tolling at Twitter.
I hope “owning the libs” was worth it, Elon…
Twitter is a dumpster fire? For all the hullabaloo and hand wringing about employee departures, I’ve noticed very little difference in performance, and the usual suspects still participating. Rumours of its death appear, so far, greatly exaggerated.
Twitter is a dumpster fire? For all the hullabaloo and hand wringing about employee departures, I’ve noticed very little difference in performance, and the usual suspects still participating. Rumours of its death appear, so far, greatly exaggerated.
Strange how the author chooses not to mention the absolute dumpster fire that Musk has turned Twitter into in these short few weeks. His $44BN is probably worth pretty close to zero now and when he gets snubbed by a doofus like Trump then the bells are tolling at Twitter.
I hope “owning the libs” was worth it, Elon…