This is an important point well made. I’ve suffered severe depression for 4 decades, now mostly moderate thanks to ECT and a bucket of daily medication. As I had a few hypomanic spells in late 20s, I was eventually diagnosed as Bipolar II, a few years before Stephen Fry et al made it trendy. I’ve always been open about my condition; it explains why I haven’t worked for 25 years and did not have children. It has robbed me of anything like a “normal” life, so I feel the need to explain that I am not simply lazy. But in the last decade or so, I have felt embarrassed to mention it, reluctant to be seen as yet another jumper onto the bandwagon. When celebrities play Mental Health Top Trumps, even if they have the best of intentions, it makes the likes of me feel even more of a failure. Look at them, they have the same condition, yet they manage to act, write books, paint, earn vast amounts of money. They wax lyrical about their mania, how it makes them so creative, how they would rather avoid medication in case it robbed them of that high. Well, that’s lovely for them, but I struggle to get out of bed every morning, even with medication. With mood stabilisers, the depression is not utterly crippling, and the hypomania has lost its enjoyable side and morphed into agitation and anger, a so-called mixed state. All the downside, none of the up.
It incenses me that inevitable, unavoidable, everyday vicissitudes are now described as depression and anxiety. Those are abnormal, chronic, and utterly debilitating states. People who have actually suffered them would never confuse them with normal emotions. It is like comparing a water pistol with a shot gun.
I feel for you Kate-i just have the much milder dysthymia, and that makes life hard enough. i would not be here if i had your much much more intense type. Un fortunately we live in primitive times in terms of average human consciousness – I think it has slipped backwards over the past few decades. The old concept of ‘common sense ‘ ie able to sort out truth from fiction has dwindled markedly esp amongst the young. Gormless adults are bringing up gormless kids – and the genuinely smart kids (not IQ wise) are depressed at all the idiocy around them ( eg my son -lots of conversations about non-being). The only thing it seems to do is to view the slow train crash with interested semi-detachment whilst looking forwards to a better re-incarnation. Hang in there !
I’m sorry to hear about your problems, but the truth is that this has been going on for years. A friend of mine coined the phrase ‘the medicalisation of dissatisfaction’ a few years ago. I think that the truth of the matter is that too many people make too much money out of redefining unhappiness as illness and then ‘treating’ it. I used to think that things would turn full circle, but it shows little sign of happening. In the meantime, the impression grows that mental illness is relatively trivial and something to be proud of.
In reality, serious mental illness is extremely debilitating and carries a high mortality, both from suicide and associated physical diseases. It is partly because mental illness is seen by the NHS as less important that service provision is so sparse.
Andrew D
2 years ago
Is the whole trans thing a manifestation of the same phenomenon?
Good and very timely point-I think you are correct…what a loony tunes world we are becoming. i cant help remembering that old adage ‘get over yourself and get on’. I cant help but think its time to call out all these naive unhealthy ego trips…And what is it about adolescent girls these days – are they particularly prone to hysteria ? Lots more research (useful) required..
Jon Redman
2 years ago
What do we want?
A cure for Tourettes!
When do we want it?
C*nt!
Margaret Tudeau-Clayton
2 years ago
Well before social media anorexia would spread like wild fire among teenage girls in a shared environment. In my girls’ only school (Exeter) it started with 1 case and within two months there were 18 of us. This mimetic drive is fuelling the acceleration of the numbers of girls seeking to transition – as if not more destructive of their physical let alone mental health.
D Ward
2 years ago
Interesting. I had a friend when i was younger who had a stutter. And i “caught” the stutter. I didn’t mean to, i didn’t want to, but I did. I had to consciously pull myself back from it – but it was hard. To this day, I could go back to it, if pushed.
This is so interesting. I had a friend when I was a kid who had a sinus malformity and often breathed with a wheeze. When I played with her I came home with a wheeze myself. I remember my mother telling me to knock it off as she thought I was mocking her, but really, I wasn’t even aware I was doing it. I was about 4 or 5.
mike otter
2 years ago
Interesting read, the mimics of the youtube Performing Tourettes Man are behaving like Latahs – a Malay/Indonesian defined syndrome of imitation, exaggerated behaviours and repetitive tics. Maybe its not coincidence that the Plymouth incel shooter was social media focused (infected?) and carried out the Malay/Indonesian defined idea of “Runing Amok”. Such contagion predates modern media and is a part of “social” existence IMO. Religious sects based on self mortification, cults like Jim Jones & Co, and even political movements from the Soviets to the Greens can be seen as social contagion. This is where an irrational belief which harms you (and others) propagates rapidly into a cohesive group capable of great harm. The same mechanism may transfer humor – like PTM above, or culture or philosophy etc so not all social contagion is malign.
Can we start talking about how trans fits into this category as well? Or is that still off limits?
memiller22
2 years ago
Anyone acquainted with the history of psychiatry preFreud will find rich and compelling examples where social contagion seems to be the driving force behind the development of hysteria
And other similar disorders. More recently the work of Ian Hacking throws light on the phenomenon of multiple personality disorder. In spite of the fact that suggestion and suggestibility seem to be aspects of life that we all share , who is going to admit that the degree to which we think for ourselves might be so undermined by the force of others upon us? However just like the placebo effect , it is something that is very hard to demonstrate . I am certain that social media allows the expression of this force to proliferate in all sorts of ways – but it is a puzzling phenomena with a history stretching back to Aristotle.
chhd lsscc
2 years ago
Most dangerous profession: therapist. Never go to one and never advise anyone to see one. You will come out worse off, you will hate your parents, and your spouse. You will hate your boss (even more), will seriously consider divorce and or suicide. They will offer you nothing you could not have gotten free from any of your close friends. Because these are people whose whole profession is based on you NOT getting better. Most (90%) of so called mental illness is not curable in way shape or form, so just deal with it. Your wallet will feel a lot better.
This is an important point well made. I’ve suffered severe depression for 4 decades, now mostly moderate thanks to ECT and a bucket of daily medication. As I had a few hypomanic spells in late 20s, I was eventually diagnosed as Bipolar II, a few years before Stephen Fry et al made it trendy. I’ve always been open about my condition; it explains why I haven’t worked for 25 years and did not have children. It has robbed me of anything like a “normal” life, so I feel the need to explain that I am not simply lazy. But in the last decade or so, I have felt embarrassed to mention it, reluctant to be seen as yet another jumper onto the bandwagon. When celebrities play Mental Health Top Trumps, even if they have the best of intentions, it makes the likes of me feel even more of a failure. Look at them, they have the same condition, yet they manage to act, write books, paint, earn vast amounts of money. They wax lyrical about their mania, how it makes them so creative, how they would rather avoid medication in case it robbed them of that high. Well, that’s lovely for them, but I struggle to get out of bed every morning, even with medication. With mood stabilisers, the depression is not utterly crippling, and the hypomania has lost its enjoyable side and morphed into agitation and anger, a so-called mixed state. All the downside, none of the up.
It incenses me that inevitable, unavoidable, everyday vicissitudes are now described as depression and anxiety. Those are abnormal, chronic, and utterly debilitating states. People who have actually suffered them would never confuse them with normal emotions. It is like comparing a water pistol with a shot gun.
I feel for you Kate-i just have the much milder dysthymia, and that makes life hard enough. i would not be here if i had your much much more intense type. Un fortunately we live in primitive times in terms of average human consciousness – I think it has slipped backwards over the past few decades. The old concept of ‘common sense ‘ ie able to sort out truth from fiction has dwindled markedly esp amongst the young. Gormless adults are bringing up gormless kids – and the genuinely smart kids (not IQ wise) are depressed at all the idiocy around them ( eg my son -lots of conversations about non-being). The only thing it seems to do is to view the slow train crash with interested semi-detachment whilst looking forwards to a better re-incarnation. Hang in there !
Perhaps the only thing to do
I’m sorry to hear about your problems, but the truth is that this has been going on for years. A friend of mine coined the phrase ‘the medicalisation of dissatisfaction’ a few years ago. I think that the truth of the matter is that too many people make too much money out of redefining unhappiness as illness and then ‘treating’ it. I used to think that things would turn full circle, but it shows little sign of happening. In the meantime, the impression grows that mental illness is relatively trivial and something to be proud of.
In reality, serious mental illness is extremely debilitating and carries a high mortality, both from suicide and associated physical diseases. It is partly because mental illness is seen by the NHS as less important that service provision is so sparse.
Is the whole trans thing a manifestation of the same phenomenon?
Good and very timely point-I think you are correct…what a loony tunes world we are becoming. i cant help remembering that old adage ‘get over yourself and get on’. I cant help but think its time to call out all these naive unhealthy ego trips…And what is it about adolescent girls these days – are they particularly prone to hysteria ? Lots more research (useful) required..
What do we want?
A cure for Tourettes!
When do we want it?
C*nt!
Well before social media anorexia would spread like wild fire among teenage girls in a shared environment. In my girls’ only school (Exeter) it started with 1 case and within two months there were 18 of us. This mimetic drive is fuelling the acceleration of the numbers of girls seeking to transition – as if not more destructive of their physical let alone mental health.
Interesting. I had a friend when i was younger who had a stutter. And i “caught” the stutter. I didn’t mean to, i didn’t want to, but I did. I had to consciously pull myself back from it – but it was hard. To this day, I could go back to it, if pushed.
This is so interesting. I had a friend when I was a kid who had a sinus malformity and often breathed with a wheeze. When I played with her I came home with a wheeze myself. I remember my mother telling me to knock it off as she thought I was mocking her, but really, I wasn’t even aware I was doing it. I was about 4 or 5.
Interesting read, the mimics of the youtube Performing Tourettes Man are behaving like Latahs – a Malay/Indonesian defined syndrome of imitation, exaggerated behaviours and repetitive tics. Maybe its not coincidence that the Plymouth incel shooter was social media focused (infected?) and carried out the Malay/Indonesian defined idea of “Runing Amok”. Such contagion predates modern media and is a part of “social” existence IMO. Religious sects based on self mortification, cults like Jim Jones & Co, and even political movements from the Soviets to the Greens can be seen as social contagion. This is where an irrational belief which harms you (and others) propagates rapidly into a cohesive group capable of great harm. The same mechanism may transfer humor – like PTM above, or culture or philosophy etc so not all social contagion is malign.
A mysterious spike in Tourette’s leads back to YouTube star
Wouldn’t a social media star suffering Tourette’s be expected to be on Tick-tok?
Can we start talking about how trans fits into this category as well? Or is that still off limits?
Anyone acquainted with the history of psychiatry preFreud will find rich and compelling examples where social contagion seems to be the driving force behind the development of hysteria
And other similar disorders. More recently the work of Ian Hacking throws light on the phenomenon of multiple personality disorder. In spite of the fact that suggestion and suggestibility seem to be aspects of life that we all share , who is going to admit that the degree to which we think for ourselves might be so undermined by the force of others upon us? However just like the placebo effect , it is something that is very hard to demonstrate . I am certain that social media allows the expression of this force to proliferate in all sorts of ways – but it is a puzzling phenomena with a history stretching back to Aristotle.
Most dangerous profession: therapist. Never go to one and never advise anyone to see one. You will come out worse off, you will hate your parents, and your spouse. You will hate your boss (even more), will seriously consider divorce and or suicide. They will offer you nothing you could not have gotten free from any of your close friends. Because these are people whose whole profession is based on you NOT getting better. Most (90%) of so called mental illness is not curable in way shape or form, so just deal with it. Your wallet will feel a lot better.