Not many years ago I would have been entirely sympathetic to the plight of gay people living in intolerant societies. I’m afraid I no longer feel that way.
in 1967 gay sex in private for adults was legalised in England and Wales.. In the decades following there was a generalised campaign to destigmatise homosexuality and in 2014 gay marriage was legalised. All fine. I think then we expected gay people to just quitely get on with the lives like the rest of us.
But the various pressure groups that had formed around LGBT weren’t content with co-existing. They turned their energies to attacking and subverting mainstream society.
It started with silly stunts such as antgonising Christian shopkeepers by demanding they make vulgar or pro-gay products for them. Then the interminable Pride marches, which have become progressively more lewd and sexually explicit depite the fact that children are present.
The seemingly never ending Pride events and rainbow flags constantly forced in our faces are oppressive. But when T was added to LGB, the movement became dangerous and sinister.
The LGBT movement is vicious and intolerant. It immediately launches frenzied attacks, and tries to destroy the lives and livlihoods of those who dare to object to its absurd beliefs. But far worse is how it is now pschologically, pharamacetically and surgically experimenting on confused children and young adults.
Having seen where the gay rights movement led our society, I am sympathetic to those who want to stop the same thing happening in their countries. Although, of course, I in no way would condone violence.
If disassociation is in order, I would suggest that it is the LBG people who just want to get on with their lives who should be disassociating themselves from the dangerous trans ideologues who have attached themselves to the gay community as a means to further thier own ends. They are doing the gay community tremendous harm.
That’s already well underway with organisations like the LGB Alliance & a myriad social media ‘influencers’ pretty much echoing your sentiments. Groups like Stonewall & Mermaids are under scrutiny like never before. Indeed, in these columns, transwomen like Debbie Hayton have become leading figures in the resistance to trans ideology.
Whilst I acknowledge your concerns in the western countries well down the LBGT road. I don’t think those politics have any bearing on the context to the crime committed in Slovakia, in which politicians and many older citizens are very politically conservative on these issues and others.
Gays Against Grooming have taken a stand and were persecuted for it by woke activists at PayPal, who cut off their funding.
Paul S
1 year ago
As a gay man, I note the author refers to the ‘modern LGBT culture’. The current ‘community’ has become something quite different to when I came out in the 90’s – to the point of alienation of some 40 and above. Ideoligical rigidity and tribal thinking risks ripping the gay community apart along generational lines.
I too am gay. And I agree entirely with what you say. But I’d add that the risk is not only of “ripping the gay community apart” but also of ripping the entire community apart.
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
“There’s a strain of regional thought which sees modern LGBT culture as not only dangerous, but also as a fundamentally alien Western import.”
The writer seems to be unaware of the trans extremism taking place here in the West – where people have received threats of death, cancellation (or ‘accountability’ according to G Norton and B Bragg) and lost their jobs and careers; where the leading gay rights organisation (guess who!) actually holds seminars on how men can rape lesbians (it’s like the old days…”I know what she needs” wink wink); and where a major charity for children that encourages them to mutilate their bodies without their family knowing is endorsed by government depts, corporations and celebrities.
That’s not scary, is it?
Stephen Follows
1 year ago
‘Yet, just as conservatives point out the responsibility of the Muslim community to reflect on all Islamic terror, Eastern European social conservatives must now reflect on events in Bratislava last week. ‘
This is an odd sentence, given how much homophobia and anti-Semitism comes from Muslims themselves.
and, as those who served in Afghanistan found out to their horror, that male sex with boys under 12 was an accepted norm? Amazing that there is no comment on this abomination?
Wilfred Davis
1 year ago
Yet, just as conservatives point out the responsibility of the Muslim community to reflect on all Islamic terror, Eastern European social conservatives must now reflect on events in Bratislava last week.
What are you implying – that being conservative means that you encourage murder?
That is to demonise an entire group of people.
The very thing you are complaining of.
And you also say:
Clearly, anyone who carries out such atrocities is mentally deranged, and crackpot ideologies must not be used to score cheap political points.
Then you go on to score a political point (see above).
I find the leaps in your reasoning rather inconsistent, to put it politely.
R Wright
1 year ago
I honestly don’t give a stuff about this community any longer. LGB, and particularly the T is a “fundamentally alien Western import”. Instead of accomplishing this nutcase’s objective of weakening the increasing colonizing stranglehold of western cultural imperialism over Eastern Europe, he has likely promoted the cause of LGBT in Eastern Europe far more than its proponents could ever have hoped to do. All we will hear for the next six months is virtue signalling by Europeans over this bleak incident, which would be considered as nothing more than a standard ‘gay bashing’ weekend in the Middle East.
Arkadian X
1 year ago
While the constant assaulting of heretics by the “modern LGBT culture” is constantly excused.
I feel the problem, at least in the UK, is in the acronym itself and with the idea that there is an “LGBT culture”, modern or otherwise.
Yes, it’s the same with the word ‘community’ in America. It conjures up pictures of a group of people united in common cause. Complete bollocks of course.
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
The author of this article would be on much firmer ground by abandoning his political double standard. It’s true, as he says, that even deranged people act within a larger context of cultural trends and can reflect its prejudices, no matter how distorted the reflections might be. Therefore, we should monitor these cultural trends with vigilance in mind. But he applies this insight to only one end (conservatism) of the political and cultural continuum. It seems to me that it applies equally to the other end (progressivism). If there’s any practical difference between them, as distinct from any moral difference, it would be that progressive derangement in our own society tends to find expression in the context of established governmental, professional, academic, journalistic and other institutions rather than in that of deranged individuals or politically marginal groups. In my opinion, that’s far more dangerous than conservatism.
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
A potential solution to the Ukraine war would be to send in the LGBT, eco sandaloid zeros and racialist obsessimpletons and simply bore the Russians into submission….?
From the Latin, ‘homo’ means a human, a person, humankind.
So, ‘homophobia’ ought to mean ‘fear of the same’ (whatever that might denote) or ‘fear of humans’ (awkward!), or something like that.
But, obviously, that’s not how it is actually used. Namely, failure to bow down to whatever vocal ‘right-thinking’ people currently demand in terms of respect for a particular ‘community’.
Although my guess is that the supposed ‘community’ in question is more likely to be people who just want to get on quietly with their lives as individuals.
Not many years ago I would have been entirely sympathetic to the plight of gay people living in intolerant societies. I’m afraid I no longer feel that way.
in 1967 gay sex in private for adults was legalised in England and Wales.. In the decades following there was a generalised campaign to destigmatise homosexuality and in 2014 gay marriage was legalised. All fine. I think then we expected gay people to just quitely get on with the lives like the rest of us.
But the various pressure groups that had formed around LGBT weren’t content with co-existing. They turned their energies to attacking and subverting mainstream society.
It started with silly stunts such as antgonising Christian shopkeepers by demanding they make vulgar or pro-gay products for them. Then the interminable Pride marches, which have become progressively more lewd and sexually explicit depite the fact that children are present.
The seemingly never ending Pride events and rainbow flags constantly forced in our faces are oppressive. But when T was added to LGB, the movement became dangerous and sinister.
The LGBT movement is vicious and intolerant. It immediately launches frenzied attacks, and tries to destroy the lives and livlihoods of those who dare to object to its absurd beliefs. But far worse is how it is now pschologically, pharamacetically and surgically experimenting on confused children and young adults.
Having seen where the gay rights movement led our society, I am sympathetic to those who want to stop the same thing happening in their countries. Although, of course, I in no way would condone violence.
If disassociation is in order, I would suggest that it is the LBG people who just want to get on with their lives who should be disassociating themselves from the dangerous trans ideologues who have attached themselves to the gay community as a means to further thier own ends. They are doing the gay community tremendous harm.
That’s already well underway with organisations like the LGB Alliance & a myriad social media ‘influencers’ pretty much echoing your sentiments. Groups like Stonewall & Mermaids are under scrutiny like never before. Indeed, in these columns, transwomen like Debbie Hayton have become leading figures in the resistance to trans ideology.
Debbie gives me hope. We need more like her.
Whilst I acknowledge your concerns in the western countries well down the LBGT road. I don’t think those politics have any bearing on the context to the crime committed in Slovakia, in which politicians and many older citizens are very politically conservative on these issues and others.
oooh poor diddums…
Gays Against Grooming have taken a stand and were persecuted for it by woke activists at PayPal, who cut off their funding.
As a gay man, I note the author refers to the ‘modern LGBT culture’. The current ‘community’ has become something quite different to when I came out in the 90’s – to the point of alienation of some 40 and above. Ideoligical rigidity and tribal thinking risks ripping the gay community apart along generational lines.
I too am gay. And I agree entirely with what you say. But I’d add that the risk is not only of “ripping the gay community apart” but also of ripping the entire community apart.
“There’s a strain of regional thought which sees modern LGBT culture as not only dangerous, but also as a fundamentally alien Western import.”
The writer seems to be unaware of the trans extremism taking place here in the West – where people have received threats of death, cancellation (or ‘accountability’ according to G Norton and B Bragg) and lost their jobs and careers; where the leading gay rights organisation (guess who!) actually holds seminars on how men can rape lesbians (it’s like the old days…”I know what she needs” wink wink); and where a major charity for children that encourages them to mutilate their bodies without their family knowing is endorsed by government depts, corporations and celebrities.
That’s not scary, is it?
‘Yet, just as conservatives point out the responsibility of the Muslim community to reflect on all Islamic terror, Eastern European social conservatives must now reflect on events in Bratislava last week. ‘
This is an odd sentence, given how much homophobia and anti-Semitism comes from Muslims themselves.
and, as those who served in Afghanistan found out to their horror, that male sex with boys under 12 was an accepted norm? Amazing that there is no comment on this abomination?
What are you implying – that being conservative means that you encourage murder?
That is to demonise an entire group of people.
The very thing you are complaining of.
And you also say:
Then you go on to score a political point (see above).
I find the leaps in your reasoning rather inconsistent, to put it politely.
I honestly don’t give a stuff about this community any longer. LGB, and particularly the T is a “fundamentally alien Western import”. Instead of accomplishing this nutcase’s objective of weakening the increasing colonizing stranglehold of western cultural imperialism over Eastern Europe, he has likely promoted the cause of LGBT in Eastern Europe far more than its proponents could ever have hoped to do. All we will hear for the next six months is virtue signalling by Europeans over this bleak incident, which would be considered as nothing more than a standard ‘gay bashing’ weekend in the Middle East.
While the constant assaulting of heretics by the “modern LGBT culture” is constantly excused.
I feel the problem, at least in the UK, is in the acronym itself and with the idea that there is an “LGBT culture”, modern or otherwise.
Yes, it’s the same with the word ‘community’ in America. It conjures up pictures of a group of people united in common cause. Complete bollocks of course.
The author of this article would be on much firmer ground by abandoning his political double standard. It’s true, as he says, that even deranged people act within a larger context of cultural trends and can reflect its prejudices, no matter how distorted the reflections might be. Therefore, we should monitor these cultural trends with vigilance in mind. But he applies this insight to only one end (conservatism) of the political and cultural continuum. It seems to me that it applies equally to the other end (progressivism). If there’s any practical difference between them, as distinct from any moral difference, it would be that progressive derangement in our own society tends to find expression in the context of established governmental, professional, academic, journalistic and other institutions rather than in that of deranged individuals or politically marginal groups. In my opinion, that’s far more dangerous than conservatism.
A potential solution to the Ukraine war would be to send in the LGBT, eco sandaloid zeros and racialist obsessimpletons and simply bore the Russians into submission….?
no such word as ” homophobia”
There is, but there shouldn’t be.
NS-T has a point, linguistically.
From the Greek, ‘homo’ means ‘same’.
From the Latin, ‘homo’ means a human, a person, humankind.
So, ‘homophobia’ ought to mean ‘fear of the same’ (whatever that might denote) or ‘fear of humans’ (awkward!), or something like that.
But, obviously, that’s not how it is actually used. Namely, failure to bow down to whatever vocal ‘right-thinking’ people currently demand in terms of respect for a particular ‘community’.
Although my guess is that the supposed ‘community’ in question is more likely to be people who just want to get on quietly with their lives as individuals.