Part of Catholicism’s enduring appeal is as a Sign of Contradiction to prevailing secular opinion. Many on the left have a peculiar attitude towards the sanctity of life, supporting (in the case of Biden’s administration) infanticide up to the point of birth, yet generally opposing the death penalty. Many on the right support capital punishment, while fiercely opposing abortion. I suspect that capital punishment is more morally defensible, insofar as it’s usually reserved for people who have committed heinous crimes, a charge that can hardly be laid against an unborn child. However I think the Catholic Church is consistent and probably right in opposing both.
I don’t know about that, “a charge that can hardly be laid against an unborn child” the Liberal Left uses rape and incest and birth defects as that category.
Decades ago I finally tackled ‘The Raj Quartet’ Paul Scott, one of the hardest books to ever read as it is massive and just is the same story repeated from 5 views in thousands of pages, makes Anna Karina seem a short story. But one passage always stuck in my head, where the raped British woman is pregnant, and a line overheard in passing… ““To get rid. . . . To tear the disgusting embryo out of the womb and throw it to the pi-dogs,””
Now the convoluted story is of the end of the Raj (means to rule in Hindi) and naturally involves a mixed race pregnancy, but that is what the entire book is, India/British (with the quoted ‘Bridge Parties’ the ruling class have, inviting the local, Native, ruling class, to have a gesture at Bridging the gap. although all know it is gesture…)
Oh, how I would love to have a hand annotated copy of the book done by some Woke Thought/Purity Police member… how their heads would explode…… But it will never happen, it is so far above the scope of that illiterate class.
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
And what is so interesting about abortion in the West is how it has utterly defeated the main goal, steady, replacement, demographics wished by the Western governments.
So say EU and USA together have had about a million legal abortions a year for the last 40 years, 40,000,000, well this has so tilted the demographics that migration of about that number was ‘Needed’ just to pay for all those ‘Unfunded Mandates’ of pension, health care, and so on, as the Baby-Boomers aged.
We killed out own, then brought in outside peoples to replace them. Self Genocide is the Gov policy, in the West, a unique thing.
Now Biden has just made law that all children in USA get $300 per month free money (on TOP of very generous welfare) for earners under $150,000/pa.
If this had been done in the 1970s then we would have great demographics, children raised by married parents – instead we have paid single mothers to have the children, and made it too expensive for workers to have replacement numbers of children as Both parents had to work from the 1980s on. The middle class and working class could not afford their 2.2 children.
Abortion, the Tax code, and Liberalism – that is what has formed us, a dieing out people and society. Something will replace us in 50 years, but with AI and the rest, it will be something very different than the last thousand years.
Margaret Tudeau-Clayton
2 years ago
It’s not only with respect to abortion that the Catholic Church is in tension with liberal progresives. It still does not recognise same sex marriage.
Antonino Ioviero
2 years ago
The Roman Catholic Church has a clear succession policy, secular liberalism seems to rely on ‘conversion’ – a difficult route that will usually end up in failure. See the debacle in Batley for an example.
Chris Wheatley
2 years ago
The borders in Europe are open. There is a steady stream of women going from Poland to Germany for abortions. We know about Ireland. So, to say that the EU does not want to get involved in ‘local’ issues is a lie because it explicitly allows this cross-border traffic.
In Northern Europe the Catholic church is less important and national rules would not take Catholic views into account. What is special about Catholicism? Why can’t Poland and Ireland take in the views of all churches and even humanists? The answer is only … history and folklore and keeping the populations in fear of the wrath of a Catholic god. Mind control in a benevolent disguise.
Free of charge legal abortion on demand (up to 12 weeks gestation) has been available in the Republic of Ireland since a referendum on the matter was passed by 66% of the electorate in May 2018.
Part of Catholicism’s enduring appeal is as a Sign of Contradiction to prevailing secular opinion. Many on the left have a peculiar attitude towards the sanctity of life, supporting (in the case of Biden’s administration) infanticide up to the point of birth, yet generally opposing the death penalty. Many on the right support capital punishment, while fiercely opposing abortion. I suspect that capital punishment is more morally defensible, insofar as it’s usually reserved for people who have committed heinous crimes, a charge that can hardly be laid against an unborn child. However I think the Catholic Church is consistent and probably right in opposing both.
I don’t know about that, “a charge that can hardly be laid against an unborn child” the Liberal Left uses rape and incest and birth defects as that category.
Decades ago I finally tackled ‘The Raj Quartet’ Paul Scott, one of the hardest books to ever read as it is massive and just is the same story repeated from 5 views in thousands of pages, makes Anna Karina seem a short story. But one passage always stuck in my head, where the raped British woman is pregnant, and a line overheard in passing…
““To get rid. . . . To tear the disgusting embryo out of the womb and throw it to the pi-dogs,””
Now the convoluted story is of the end of the Raj (means to rule in Hindi) and naturally involves a mixed race pregnancy, but that is what the entire book is, India/British (with the quoted ‘Bridge Parties’ the ruling class have, inviting the local, Native, ruling class, to have a gesture at Bridging the gap. although all know it is gesture…)
Oh, how I would love to have a hand annotated copy of the book done by some Woke Thought/Purity Police member… how their heads would explode…… But it will never happen, it is so far above the scope of that illiterate class.
And what is so interesting about abortion in the West is how it has utterly defeated the main goal, steady, replacement, demographics wished by the Western governments.
So say EU and USA together have had about a million legal abortions a year for the last 40 years, 40,000,000, well this has so tilted the demographics that migration of about that number was ‘Needed’ just to pay for all those ‘Unfunded Mandates’ of pension, health care, and so on, as the Baby-Boomers aged.
We killed out own, then brought in outside peoples to replace them. Self Genocide is the Gov policy, in the West, a unique thing.
Now Biden has just made law that all children in USA get $300 per month free money (on TOP of very generous welfare) for earners under $150,000/pa.
If this had been done in the 1970s then we would have great demographics, children raised by married parents – instead we have paid single mothers to have the children, and made it too expensive for workers to have replacement numbers of children as Both parents had to work from the 1980s on. The middle class and working class could not afford their 2.2 children.
Abortion, the Tax code, and Liberalism – that is what has formed us, a dieing out people and society. Something will replace us in 50 years, but with AI and the rest, it will be something very different than the last thousand years.
It’s not only with respect to abortion that the Catholic Church is in tension with liberal progresives. It still does not recognise same sex marriage.
The Roman Catholic Church has a clear succession policy, secular liberalism seems to rely on ‘conversion’ – a difficult route that will usually end up in failure. See the debacle in Batley for an example.
The borders in Europe are open. There is a steady stream of women going from Poland to Germany for abortions. We know about Ireland. So, to say that the EU does not want to get involved in ‘local’ issues is a lie because it explicitly allows this cross-border traffic.
In Northern Europe the Catholic church is less important and national rules would not take Catholic views into account. What is special about Catholicism? Why can’t Poland and Ireland take in the views of all churches and even humanists? The answer is only … history and folklore and keeping the populations in fear of the wrath of a Catholic god. Mind control in a benevolent disguise.
It isn’t “mind control” that leads people to go to Mass.
It’s the hope that Catholicism gives people, whereas humanism doesn’t.
It’s humanists and secular liberals, in fact, who try to control the Minds of others – outright folly and wickedness in a benevolent disguise.
Free of charge legal abortion on demand (up to 12 weeks gestation) has been available in the Republic of Ireland since a referendum on the matter was passed by 66% of the electorate in May 2018.