NEW YORK, NEW YORK - 27 OCTOBRE : Hulk Hogan monte sur scène lors d'un rassemblement de campagne pour le candidat républicain à la présidence, l'ancien président américain Donald Trump, au Madison Square Garden le 27 octobre 2024 à New York. Trump a clôturé son week-end de campagne à New York avec une liste d'intervenants comprenant son colistier, le candidat républicain à la vice-présidence, le sénateur américain J.D. Vance (R-OH), le PDG de Tesla Elon Musk, le PDG de l'UFC Dana White, et le président de la Chambre des représentants Mike Johnson, entre autres, neuf jours avant le jour des élections. (Photo par Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images)

« Bizarre » ne commence même pas à décrire l’atmosphère américaine en ce moment. Les médias et Internet bouillonnent de discours sur la guerre civile ; mais tout le monde vaque à ses occupations quotidiennes. Le temps est étrange : les températures dans le Nord-Est, où je vis, ont été d’environ 20 degrés au-dessus de la normale et les feuilles d’automne tourbillonnent au sol sous la chaleur estivale. De même, Internet tourbillonne avec la chaleur d’une apocalypse politique imminente. Mais comparé à la violence de masse des années soixante, c’est comme vivre en Norvège. Si quelque chose, l’humeur nationale est plus festive qu’alarme alors que Halloween se prépare. Pouvons-nous vraiment être à 10 secondes de la guerre civile ?
La guerre civile a tendance à se produire le long de lignes qui sont régionales, comme dans la guerre civile américaine ; tribales, comme au Soudan ; ou idéologiques, comme en Espagne dans les années trente. Rien de tout cela ne se produit ici. Régional ? Les partisans de MAGA et les libéraux sont dispersés dans chaque État de l’union. Tribal ? Il n’y a pas de véritables tribus en Amérique, à l’exception des tribus amérindiennes — être noir, gay ou catholique n’est pas comme appartenir à une « tribu » comme l’étaient les Hutus ou les Tutsis dans les années quatre-vingt-dix. Idéologique ? L’idéologie de Harris semble se reconfigurer chaque jour, et loin d’être imprégnée de quelque type d’isme — les dirigeants fascistes n’étaient rien si ce n’est éduqués dans leur vision du monde — il est probable que Trump n’ait même pas de carte de bibliothèque. Les guerres civiles sont précédées par une violence intense, bien que sporadique. Il n’y a pas eu de violence politique intense en Amérique — les deux tentatives d’assassinat sur Trump étaient l’œuvre politiquement incohérente de solitaires instables. Il y a eu une rhétorique violente, qui, bien que troublante, n’a pas franchi la ligne des appels réels à la violence.
Je n’ai pas encore rencontré ou parlé à quiconque, de divers milieux, qui ait peur de ce qui se passera après le jour des élections. Et pourtant, on nous dit que la peur est dans l’air par des journalistes qui interviewent de véritables croyants lors de rassemblements politiques, ou sollicitent des réponses dans des enquêtes menées par téléphone, dans lesquelles des individus, désireux de faire bonne impression, disent aux journalistes avides de conflits ce qu’ils veulent entendre, ou veulent simplement se défouler.
Avant le rassemblement de Trump au Madison Square Garden hier soir, Internet était en ébullition avec des cris disant que le rassemblement ressemblerait aux assemblées nazies d’antan. Mais nulle part dans le célèbre compte rendu cinématographique de Leni Riefenstahl sur le spectacle de Nuremberg il n’y avait un segment où, une fois la massive réunion terminée, des travailleurs se précipitaient pour convertir le site du rassemblement en l’équivalent allemand d’un match des Knicks le soir suivant. (Ils jouent contre les Cleveland Cavaliers — d’un ancien État clé !)
La soirée entière était moins un rassemblement de Nuremberg qu’une expérience de Trump chantant « Joyeux Anniversaire, M. le Président », ce moment étrange où une Marilyn Monroe fortement droguée et hyper-sexualisée chantait pour JFK à l’occasion de son 45e anniversaire lors d’un gala au Madison Square Garden. Mais c’était Trump chantant pour lui-même. Il a parlé, de manière surprenante, de « si » il gagne plutôt que de « quand » il gagne. C’était son dernier hurrah, et il le savait. Il devait donner un flamboyant doigt d’honneur à la ville qui l’a rejeté avant que son doigt d’honneur ne s’efface dans l’histoire.
Trump a parlé pendant ses habituels 90 minutes. Certaines personnes ont commencé à partir 20 minutes après le début de son discours ; le reste a applaudi et ri comme s’ils étaient à un festival de musique, pas à un rassemblement politique. Le critère d’excellence dans presque tous les domaines de la vie américaine est désormais le plaisir et la satisfaction individuels. Pour toute l’obscurité de Trump concernant les « ennemis de l’intérieur », les immigrants meurtriers, les taux de criminalité en hausse et les déportations massives, on avait l’impression qu’il jouait non pas sur un désir ardent de vengeance, mais sur une bonne vieille fièvre du samedi soir américaine. C’était déconcertant de le voir se balancer au rythme de la musique du rassemblement avant de parler, puis de passer brusquement à un discours sur le carnage américain, presque aussi déconcertant que de voir Harris réajuster de manière amateur l’expression de son visage de l’indignation à un large sourire en l’espace d’une nanoseconde. Les deux figures sont les candidats présidentiels les plus faux de l’histoire moderne américaine. La différence est que le Trump manifestement instable est une monstruosité de premier ordre. Harris est une médiocrité de second ordre.
Personne ne croit Trump lorsqu’il évoque une vision d’une Amérique envahie par des hordes d’immigrants barbares, ou si rongée par le crime qu’une personne ne peut pas traverser la rue pour acheter une miche de — à peine abordable ! — pain sans être tuée ou violée. C’est une version surchargée de la description par Trump du « carnage américain » en 2016 — c’est tellement d’hier. Personne ne sait de quoi il parle lorsqu’il parle de l’Amérique comme si c’était le Soudan, à l’exception de ses partisans les plus isolés et étroitement parochiaux, qui pensent savoir.
Quant à l’accusation sans dents de Harris selon laquelle Trump est un fasciste — c’est aussi tellement 2016. Le terme a disparu du vocabulaire libéral pendant un certain temps, pour être ravivé dans ces derniers jours désespérés de campagne. L’Américain ordinaire n’a pas plus d’idée de ce que signifie être fasciste qu’il n’a l’expérience de voir ses voisins être massacrés en allant à l’épicerie.
Non, les peurs mises en avant par les candidats, la manière dont ils commercialisent des promesses impossibles, ressemblent davantage à des pastilles apaisantes pour l’électorat à sucer pendant que les véritables terreurs de l’histoire se rassemblent. Immigration, criminalité, effondrement économique, outrage culturel — c’est la matière rhétorique de chaque campagne politique depuis le début du siècle dernier. Le fait que la langue dans laquelle elles sont exprimées soit devenue plus stridente et explicite n’en accentue que la familiarité. Ce sont des terreurs connues, standards et réconfortantes parce qu’elles sont si familières à entendre. Mais derrière les hordes meurtrières de Trump et les légions de fascistes de Harris se cachent des peurs que peu de gens oseront affronter ou reconnaître. Pourtant, elles sont un secret de polichinelle.
Il y a la peur d’Elon Musk. Pas le Musk qui essaie maladroitement d’interférer dans le processus électoral en promettant de l’argent aux personnes qui signent une pétition en tant qu’électeurs républicains enregistrés. Mais le Musk dont les capacités de Space X et Starlink sont précieuses pour les généraux américains. Vous ne pouvez pas avoir un coup d’État fasciste ou tout type de coup sans la complicité des généraux. Jusqu’à présent, Trump a aliéné l’armée américaine et ses agences de renseignement. Mais s’il était élu, il pourrait bien avoir les généraux, qui feraient n’importe quoi pour garder la technologie de Musk en Amérique, à sa botte. Déjà, Jeff Bezos, dont la devise du journal, le Washington Post, est “la démocratie meurt dans l’obscurité”, a refusé de permettre à son journal d’approuver Harris, de peur, disent les gens, de perdre des contrats précieux qu’il a avec le gouvernement fédéral.
Et il y a la peur, non pas d’une guerre civile, mais d’un retrait accéléré de la réalité, peu importe qui gagne l’élection. Si c’était Trump, alors les institutions de la société civile américaine, toutes entre les mains des libéraux, se soulèveraient et feraient de la révolution woke un simple drive de biscuits de Girl Scouts ; Trump est le plus grand cadeau à l’ego libéral moralement vorace depuis le Watergate. Si Harris gagne, alors l’aliénation de MAGA et les théories du complot fantastiques de MAGA s’accéléreraient au point où leur critère de vérité serait simplement l’opposé de ce que croient les libéraux. Il est difficile d’avoir une guerre civile quand les gens des deux côtés continuent de vérifier leurs téléphones. Mais les mondes d’écran auto-contenus sont parfaits pour fomenter le chaos mental et spirituel. Le voisin n’a pas besoin de se battre avec le voisin quand aucun des deux ne reconnaît vraiment l’existence de l’autre, sauf pour la nier. Le conflit devient alors engourdi en des formes de plus en plus avancées d’atomisation sociale.
Enfin, il y a la peur la plus cachée de toutes ; la peur de la guerre nucléaire. Trump aime le balancer comme juste un autre élément de la liste des catastrophes qui frapperont le pays s’il ne reprend pas la Maison Blanche. Il n’est pas clair si la guerre nucléaire l’horrifie ou le fascine. Harris n’aborde pas du tout le sujet.
Dans le Volume V de A History of Private Life, publié en 1991, Gérard Vincent observe que bien que les capacités nucléaires soient désormais capables de détruire la planète plusieurs fois, il n’y a pas d'”obsession” culturelle avec l’annihilation nucléaire. À ce stade, il n’y a même pas de préoccupation culturelle avec cette possibilité. Autrefois, écrit Vincent, lorsque d’énormes nombres de personnes mouraient dans diverses pandémies, “des œuvres d’art impressionnantes émergeaient de l’imagination collective”. De notre temps, la possibilité d’attraper le Covid était notre obsession, tandis que la chance d’être anéanti par une guerre nucléaire n’est même plus le sujet de l’art ou du divertissement. Le livre scrupuleux, brillant et terrifiant d’Annie Jacobsen, Nuclear War: A Scenario, est devenu un best-seller, mais il n’a pas conduit à un sentiment de crise historique.
Et pourtant, Poutine a menacé de libérer des armes nucléaires en Ukraine, et le Moyen-Orient se dirige vers un règlement final. Personne ne doute qu’Israël utiliserait son arsenal nucléaire si son existence était menacée ; une fois que l’Iran aura une capacité similaire, personne ne doute qu’il y recourrait également. Mais au lieu d’inciter les Américains à affronter la possibilité d’une horreur nucléaire, certains politiciens et journalistes en Amérique aiment jouer au poulet, rappelant de manière fatuous aux dirigeants américains leurs obligations envers Taïwan, par exemple, peu importe quelles actions nucléaires cela impliquerait, si la Chine envahissait.
Il ne fait aucun doute qu’un Trump mentalement instable, s’il redevenait président, représenterait une menace pour l’Amérique et pour le monde, tout comme un Biden mentalement instable l’aurait été s’il avait couru et prévalu. Harris, en revanche, si elle sort en tête, sera dirigée par un comité, selon des lignes plus ou moins rationnelles. Et il ne fait aucun doute que peu importe quel camp gagne, il y aura des gens qui se sentiront en colère, malheureux et trahis. Mais guerre civile ? Apocalypse sociale ? Conflit sur qui a gagné pendant des semaines tendues et agonisantes après la fermeture des bureaux de vote mardi prochain ? Peu probable. D’ici Thanksgiving, le pays sera revenu à sa routine de stupeur go-go, continuant à avancer à pas feutrés vers les peurs qui n’osent pas dire leur nom.
I disagree,what you describe sounds more like the product of careful organisation, and ruthless commitment. These aren’t lost boys, trying to fill their time by joyriding or hustling, but an organised, and combative minority moved by hatred for the civilisation that surrounds them.
Moreover, let’s not exaggerate the levels of poverty, this is not some third world country, France provides these rioters with a free education from day one, free health care, social benefits etc, that poor people in Asia of Africa could only dream about. If these communities are falling behind perhaps they should look more carefully at themselves and their cultural underpinnings and stop pointing the finger to the world.
I think the idea that this is all to do with there being “nothing decent on Netflix tonight” is absurd and Macrons steer in that narrative direction is nonsense.
He is being dismissive and disingenuous as he’s in trouble.
There’s always someone up for some chaos / punchup but France, and much of Europe, seems to be a cauldron of animosity about a variety of issues at the moment from immigration to complacency in high places (measured in decades).
I strongly agree with your assessment of the relative poverty and the huge advantages these “poor kids” have vis a vis their African, Asian and Latinoamerican counterparts. I just wonder whether the degree of insatisfaction tends to be more relative than absolute. I would think that the “poor french” compare themselves with the life of affluent european elites (which they see every day) not with third world’s.
Certainly, the degree of “insatisfaction” is heightened by the relatively new ability to see how the rest of the world lives, which is witnessed on a hand-held device 24/7/365. Never in human history was this possible. We are experiencing the repercussions of this massive change in real time. If we think this example of social upheaval is significant, just wait until malicious, AI-altered content begins to proliferate, if it hasn’t already. Better have some water and food stored up somewhere.
You have a good point.
However the question remains, why are these groups so prone to rioting and why are they trapped in this perpetual circle of impoverishment, economic stagnation etc. particularly when compared to other migrant groups like the French-Vietnamese for instance.
Certainly, the degree of “insatisfaction” is heightened by the relatively new ability to see how the rest of the world lives, which is witnessed on a hand-held device 24/7/365. Never in human history was this possible. We are experiencing the repercussions of this massive change in real time. If we think this example of social upheaval is significant, just wait until malicious, AI-altered content begins to proliferate, if it hasn’t already. Better have some water and food stored up somewhere.
You have a good point.
However the question remains, why are these groups so prone to rioting and why are they trapped in this perpetual circle of impoverishment, economic stagnation etc. particularly when compared to other migrant groups like the French-Vietnamese for instance.
I think the idea that this is all to do with there being “nothing decent on Netflix tonight” is absurd and Macrons steer in that narrative direction is nonsense.
He is being dismissive and disingenuous as he’s in trouble.
There’s always someone up for some chaos / punchup but France, and much of Europe, seems to be a cauldron of animosity about a variety of issues at the moment from immigration to complacency in high places (measured in decades).
I strongly agree with your assessment of the relative poverty and the huge advantages these “poor kids” have vis a vis their African, Asian and Latinoamerican counterparts. I just wonder whether the degree of insatisfaction tends to be more relative than absolute. I would think that the “poor french” compare themselves with the life of affluent european elites (which they see every day) not with third world’s.
I disagree,what you describe sounds more like the product of careful organisation, and ruthless commitment. These aren’t lost boys, trying to fill their time by joyriding or hustling, but an organised, and combative minority moved by hatred for the civilisation that surrounds them.
Moreover, let’s not exaggerate the levels of poverty, this is not some third world country, France provides these rioters with a free education from day one, free health care, social benefits etc, that poor people in Asia of Africa could only dream about. If these communities are falling behind perhaps they should look more carefully at themselves and their cultural underpinnings and stop pointing the finger to the world.
Britain showed how to deal with this situation after the riots in 2011: eye-watering sentences for everyone captured in the act of rioting or looting. Courts held 24 hour sessions to get through the cases. Bail denied in almost all cases. 4000 people were prosecuted, 900 got prison sentences.
Including this one:
Crime rates dropped year-on-year for the next 4 years as a good portion of all of Britain’s delinquents were doing time or were on a suspended sentence.
The public was well satisfied with the justice system for once.
Britain showed how to deal with this situation after the riots in 2011: eye-watering sentences for everyone captured in the act of rioting or looting. Courts held 24 hour sessions to get through the cases. Bail denied in almost all cases. 4000 people were prosecuted, 900 got prison sentences.
Including this one:
Crime rates dropped year-on-year for the next 4 years as a good portion of all of Britain’s delinquents were doing time or were on a suspended sentence.
The public was well satisfied with the justice system for once.
One thing that is carefully not mentioned is the ethnicity of the rioters. The current official propaganda that the original Europeans are responsible for many of the ills of the world through racism, colonialism and excessive consumption is inherently likely to make youth disaffected and happy to loot businesses and state organisations.when they have an excuse. No doubt the increasing reluctance to sentence the young to harsh punishment also encourages gangs to employ/encourage the young co commit most of the public offences.
Rioting is clearly not a reasonable response to police violence and prejudice as it alienates the public who might otherwise press more vigorously for the police to be reigned in in the light of the evidence provided by the video recordings of the incident that sparked the unrest.
One thing that is carefully not mentioned is the ethnicity of the rioters. The current official propaganda that the original Europeans are responsible for many of the ills of the world through racism, colonialism and excessive consumption is inherently likely to make youth disaffected and happy to loot businesses and state organisations.when they have an excuse. No doubt the increasing reluctance to sentence the young to harsh punishment also encourages gangs to employ/encourage the young co commit most of the public offences.
Rioting is clearly not a reasonable response to police violence and prejudice as it alienates the public who might otherwise press more vigorously for the police to be reigned in in the light of the evidence provided by the video recordings of the incident that sparked the unrest.
Sounds like organized criminal gangs to me.
Sounds like organized criminal gangs to me.
I greatly admire Anne-Elisabeth Moutet’s writing, but in this piece, the content does not appear to support the title “French rioters are bored kids”. The content suggests that, far from being bored, they have been busy preparing for this. France has a very low rate of killings by the police: one every two weeks. So they would not have long to wait.
A more convincing explanation is that the groups doing the rioting are flexing their muscles to intimidate whimp politicians such as Macron.
Agreed. They have learned how gullible politicians can be from the BLM
riotsprotests that garnered hundreds of millions of dollars in de-facto reparations from corporations and other useful idiots.Agreed. They have learned how gullible politicians can be from the BLM
riotsprotests that garnered hundreds of millions of dollars in de-facto reparations from corporations and other useful idiots.I greatly admire Anne-Elisabeth Moutet’s writing, but in this piece, the content does not appear to support the title “French rioters are bored kids”. The content suggests that, far from being bored, they have been busy preparing for this. France has a very low rate of killings by the police: one every two weeks. So they would not have long to wait.
A more convincing explanation is that the groups doing the rioting are flexing their muscles to intimidate whimp politicians such as Macron.
The good news is that riots only come in warm, dry weather.
Will the violence increase with ‘climate change’?
As any change in weather is evidence of climate change more bad weather might reduce riots. Welcome to a post-evidence world.
Let’s hope ‘climate change ‘ agitation restricts itself to throwing orange confetti around tennis courts in south west London
As any change in weather is evidence of climate change more bad weather might reduce riots. Welcome to a post-evidence world.
Let’s hope ‘climate change ‘ agitation restricts itself to throwing orange confetti around tennis courts in south west London
A police officer friend once told me that crime noticeably decreases at temperatures below 38 deg F…….
Will the violence increase with ‘climate change’?
A police officer friend once told me that crime noticeably decreases at temperatures below 38 deg F…….
The good news is that riots only come in warm, dry weather.
I still don’t see any mention of how many of these kids come from homes with absent fathers. Am IP allowed to say that lol. But single Mums cannot raise boys as they do not understand how to manage them.
I think you have to say “absentee non-birthing parent” these days, if you wish to retain banking facilities, that is.
I think you have to say “absentee non-birthing parent” these days, if you wish to retain banking facilities, that is.
I still don’t see any mention of how many of these kids come from homes with absent fathers. Am IP allowed to say that lol. But single Mums cannot raise boys as they do not understand how to manage them.
The writer, like most of her kind show no experience of living in these areas. The question which is vital is ” How many of the looters are children of Islamicists who participated in the Algerian Civil War of 1991 to 2002 ?”.
Algerian Civil War – Wikipedia
The degree of planning suggest that those experienced in subversion are at work. If one looks at the riots in N Ireland they were very precisely organised by the PIRA.Yes there is anger but an angry mob shows no coherence.
A Nigerian friend said there were some whites associated with Trotskyist groups who had been stirring up trouble in Brixton in 1981 who disappeared just before the riots errupted.
I would suggest there is a gap in intelligence gathering between the Police and the security services when obtaining information on these riots. Various political groups work on existing grievances and when an incident such as this shooting occurs are able to mobilise rioter within seconds. The rioters will probably not know they are being manipulated by others for their purposes.
The authorities either need to recruit people living in these areas or people who can move into them and become part of landscape. These areas develop a universal mind and in order to perceive what is likely to occur one needs to be able to tap into it which can only be achieved by living in the midst and connecting. Middle class, especially whites can live in an area and because they never connect to the ” Area Mind ” are completely oblivious to the undercurrents. An analogy is the ability to look at the sea and see the fast and slow currents, changes in directions of the currents, shoals, reefs, sand banks, feel the changes in wind direction, temperature , pressure, look at the clouds, etc an perceive when it is safe and danger is close by.
“If one looks at the riots in N Ireland they were very precisely organised by the PIRA”
Occasionally, of course – but very often not. My mates from W Belfast (the ‘Bone Estate etc) at law college in QUB with me in the 80s used to reminisce fondly about “being out stoning / petrol-bombing the Peelers / Brits” at weekends – it was, if you like, paintballing with an edge lol. Not directed by the ‘RA at all in many cases, simply indulged in for laughs.
I remember once someone in Belfast, some good, kind, well-meaning middle-class soul (as clueless as the folk you refer to re having an “area mind”), tried to run go-karting lessons for joyriders, reasoning that the kids obviously were keen drivers who merely needed an outlet. Of course, take-up was lamentably low. The joyriding kids had limited / no interest in motorsport. No amount of high-speed jinks around a racetrack could ever hold a candle to the sheer adrenalin of possibly being shot dead by the army in hot pursuit.
The over-intellectualisation of the Troubles by earnest middle-class outsiders was a minor personal bugbear of mine for decades. Middle class know-alls in South Dublin and in the Home Counties foisting their undergrad theories onto us etc. Utter nonsense in most cases.
Sometimes, things are as straightforward as they seem …
I accept what you say about much of N Ireland but you are ignoring the Algerian Civil War.Some Algerians ended up, at Finsbury Mosque. It would be interested to compare attitude to France of those Algerians who entered pre 1991 and post 2002. The Islamicists in Algeria were fighting secular socialist pro USSR arabs who governed Algeria which has resulted in them being against most of the values of republican France, especially laicite.
THE SUICIDE FACTORY: Abu Hamza and the Finsbury Park Mosque: Amazon.co.uk: O’Neill: 9780007234691: Books
I accept what you say about much of N Ireland but you are ignoring the Algerian Civil War.Some Algerians ended up, at Finsbury Mosque. It would be interested to compare attitude to France of those Algerians who entered pre 1991 and post 2002. The Islamicists in Algeria were fighting secular socialist pro USSR arabs who governed Algeria which has resulted in them being against most of the values of republican France, especially laicite.
THE SUICIDE FACTORY: Abu Hamza and the Finsbury Park Mosque: Amazon.co.uk: O’Neill: 9780007234691: Books
“If one looks at the riots in N Ireland they were very precisely organised by the PIRA”
Occasionally, of course – but very often not. My mates from W Belfast (the ‘Bone Estate etc) at law college in QUB with me in the 80s used to reminisce fondly about “being out stoning / petrol-bombing the Peelers / Brits” at weekends – it was, if you like, paintballing with an edge lol. Not directed by the ‘RA at all in many cases, simply indulged in for laughs.
I remember once someone in Belfast, some good, kind, well-meaning middle-class soul (as clueless as the folk you refer to re having an “area mind”), tried to run go-karting lessons for joyriders, reasoning that the kids obviously were keen drivers who merely needed an outlet. Of course, take-up was lamentably low. The joyriding kids had limited / no interest in motorsport. No amount of high-speed jinks around a racetrack could ever hold a candle to the sheer adrenalin of possibly being shot dead by the army in hot pursuit.
The over-intellectualisation of the Troubles by earnest middle-class outsiders was a minor personal bugbear of mine for decades. Middle class know-alls in South Dublin and in the Home Counties foisting their undergrad theories onto us etc. Utter nonsense in most cases.
Sometimes, things are as straightforward as they seem …
The writer, like most of her kind show no experience of living in these areas. The question which is vital is ” How many of the looters are children of Islamicists who participated in the Algerian Civil War of 1991 to 2002 ?”.
Algerian Civil War – Wikipedia
The degree of planning suggest that those experienced in subversion are at work. If one looks at the riots in N Ireland they were very precisely organised by the PIRA.Yes there is anger but an angry mob shows no coherence.
A Nigerian friend said there were some whites associated with Trotskyist groups who had been stirring up trouble in Brixton in 1981 who disappeared just before the riots errupted.
I would suggest there is a gap in intelligence gathering between the Police and the security services when obtaining information on these riots. Various political groups work on existing grievances and when an incident such as this shooting occurs are able to mobilise rioter within seconds. The rioters will probably not know they are being manipulated by others for their purposes.
The authorities either need to recruit people living in these areas or people who can move into them and become part of landscape. These areas develop a universal mind and in order to perceive what is likely to occur one needs to be able to tap into it which can only be achieved by living in the midst and connecting. Middle class, especially whites can live in an area and because they never connect to the ” Area Mind ” are completely oblivious to the undercurrents. An analogy is the ability to look at the sea and see the fast and slow currents, changes in directions of the currents, shoals, reefs, sand banks, feel the changes in wind direction, temperature , pressure, look at the clouds, etc an perceive when it is safe and danger is close by.
If we are going to guess ‘reasons’ for the rioting how about a behavioural rebound from lockdown? Or does that cut too close to the narrative that the Powers That Be maintain?
Oh ffs, stop riding your high horse. You reckon those yahoos paid any attention to so-called “lockdowns”, or had jobs to go to in the first place?
Oh ffs, stop riding your high horse. You reckon those yahoos paid any attention to so-called “lockdowns”, or had jobs to go to in the first place?
If we are going to guess ‘reasons’ for the rioting how about a behavioural rebound from lockdown? Or does that cut too close to the narrative that the Powers That Be maintain?
In the USA, every summer some city is set on fire by ‘bored kids’. It’s happens like clock-work.
In the USA, every summer some city is set on fire by ‘bored kids’. It’s happens like clock-work.
These riots reminds me of the riots in Portland and Seattle. Violence for no gain.
I wouldn’t go that far – a lot of them seemed to be more interested in ‘shopping’
I believe the “correct” terminology is protests. Riots is a term reserved for lite beer drinking, overweight, old men who storm capitol buildings in major U.S. cities.
I wouldn’t go that far – a lot of them seemed to be more interested in ‘shopping’
I believe the “correct” terminology is protests. Riots is a term reserved for lite beer drinking, overweight, old men who storm capitol buildings in major U.S. cities.
These riots reminds me of the riots in Portland and Seattle. Violence for no gain.
Here in the US most ethnic groups migrating to the cities have started out with gangs: Irish, Jews, Italians. And then, of course blacks. Now Salvadorians with their MS-13.
Why should France be any different?
Even if one accepts what you say (and I don’t) this goes way past gang violence, which, lets be honest, was mostly confined to internecine violence. This is orchestrated, wide-spead, and aimed at people who have nothing to do with any internal machinations of any particular group.
What about Indian Hindus? Not many riots in Silicon valley.
Irish, Jews, Italians and other gangsters never really doubted the ‘American way of life’, in many respects their first and foremost desire was to become a part of mainstream society albeit by engaging in shady and illegal practices. Put otherwise mafias never question the powers that be, sometimes they work with them, and other times they try to circumvent them, but they never question their usefulness or pretend that they have any other aspiration than making money.
What we see in France on the other hand is a blend of political and criminal insurgencies whose purpose is much more sinister and far reaching than smashing a few cars or stealing stereos.
Even if one accepts what you say (and I don’t) this goes way past gang violence, which, lets be honest, was mostly confined to internecine violence. This is orchestrated, wide-spead, and aimed at people who have nothing to do with any internal machinations of any particular group.
What about Indian Hindus? Not many riots in Silicon valley.
Irish, Jews, Italians and other gangsters never really doubted the ‘American way of life’, in many respects their first and foremost desire was to become a part of mainstream society albeit by engaging in shady and illegal practices. Put otherwise mafias never question the powers that be, sometimes they work with them, and other times they try to circumvent them, but they never question their usefulness or pretend that they have any other aspiration than making money.
What we see in France on the other hand is a blend of political and criminal insurgencies whose purpose is much more sinister and far reaching than smashing a few cars or stealing stereos.
Here in the US most ethnic groups migrating to the cities have started out with gangs: Irish, Jews, Italians. And then, of course blacks. Now Salvadorians with their MS-13.
Why should France be any different?
Even though any details about the demo, psychographic composition of the rioters (E.g., peaceful protesters in America) is not included, I can conjecture that the heart of the matter for most is the need to vent their existential angst: a deep agitation and anger of having been abandoned to godless humanism, relativism, socialism by adults… but especially parents. “Venting” in this way is directed inwardly by means of self-harm, and outwardly by any means possible. Akin so many places on the planet — not the least of which in America — younger generations have been set adrift. Having sown the wind, the whirlwind is taking on many forms… our once-cherished youth being the first on the frontline of carnage.
Only those who survive being aborted, however.
Wow. That’s depressing. Sounds like my neighborhood.
Only those who survive being aborted, however.
Wow. That’s depressing. Sounds like my neighborhood.
Even though any details about the demo, psychographic composition of the rioters (E.g., peaceful protesters in America) is not included, I can conjecture that the heart of the matter for most is the need to vent their existential angst: a deep agitation and anger of having been abandoned to godless humanism, relativism, socialism by adults… but especially parents. “Venting” in this way is directed inwardly by means of self-harm, and outwardly by any means possible. Akin so many places on the planet — not the least of which in America — younger generations have been set adrift. Having sown the wind, the whirlwind is taking on many forms… our once-cherished youth being the first on the frontline of carnage.