Un manifestant anti-immigration (L) fait face à une ligne de policiers à Douvres, sur la côte sud-est de l'Angleterre, le 4 mars 2023, alors que des manifestations pro- et anti-migrants ont lieu dans la ville. - Plus de 45 000 migrants ont traversé la Manche pour rejoindre le Royaume-Uni depuis le continent européen en 2022, dépassant le précédent record de l'année précédente de plus de 17 000. (Photo par Susannah Ireland / AFP) (Photo par SUSANNAH IRELAND/AFP via Getty Images)

Dans son traité influent de 1939 contre la pensée utopique en politique étrangère, The Twenty Years’ Crisis, E.H. Carr a fait une analogie avec la politique intérieure qui semblait si évidente à l’époque qu’elle n’avait besoin ni d’élaboration ni de justification. ‘Ce n’est pas le devoir moral ordinairement accepté d’un État de faire baisser le niveau de vie de ses citoyens en ouvrant ses frontières à un nombre illimité de réfugiés étrangers,’ a-t-il écrit, ‘bien qu’il puisse être de son devoir d’admettre autant de personnes que compatible avec les intérêts de son propre peuple.’ Que le même principe puisse s’appliquer aux migrants économiques était sans doute trop évident pour mériter d’être énoncé.
Cependant, ayant perdu de vue, comme tant de Mme Jellybee, le principe selon lequel le devoir primordial d’un gouvernement national est de protéger la sécurité et la prospérité de son propre peuple, et non de maximiser le total de bonheur global, les gouvernements à travers l’Europe et le monde occidental sont dûment punis par leurs électeurs. La France n’a pas de gouvernement fonctionnel en conséquence directe de la montée du Rassemblement National, une réaction explicite à l’immigration de masse et à ses résultats. Il convient de noter que le choix actuel de Macron pour le poste de Premier ministre, Michel Barnier, plaide pour un arrêt de plusieurs années de l’immigration non européenne et un référendum sur les niveaux d’immigration acceptables. En Allemagne, le succès de l’AfD en Thuringe, et les coalitions instables et contre-nature qui seront tentées pour maintenir le cordon sanitaire contre le parti, présagent sûrement l’effondrement de son gouvernement de coalition faible et impopulaire, peut-être avant les élections de l’année prochaine. Plutôt que l’installation immédiate de gouvernements de droite anti-immigration, la tendance à court terme est que la politique de l’immigration de masse rende les plus grandes et puissantes nations d’Europe ingouvernables.
Pour le gouvernement de Keir Starmer, dont les premières semaines au pouvoir ont été marquées par une vague de pogroms anti-migrants dans le nord de l’Angleterre, les risques sont clairs. La Grande-Bretagne est déjà dans une situation inhabituelle où les Conservateurs ont perdu une élection mais le Parti travailliste n’en a pas vraiment gagné une, étant simplement un véhicule pour évincer les Tories dans un concours nettement anti-systémique. Déjà remarquablement impopulaire pour un nouveau gouvernement, le Parti travailliste a cinq ans pour faire surgir la prospérité de rien — ce qu’ils ne peuvent pas faire — et protéger la Grande-Bretagne des turbulences géopolitiques — ce qu’ils sont par tempérament peu enclins à faire. Starmer est peut-être mieux compris comme une figure politique des années 2010 — une Merkel, Ardern ou Trudeau — échouée dans le paysage encore plus polarisé des années 2020 par l’interlude déformant du Brexit britannique. Contraints par des décennies de mauvais choix des gouvernements précédents, le Parti travailliste n’a jusqu’à présent affiché aucune meilleure réponse aux périls du moment que l’austérité, le petit autoritarisme et les gestes populistes réflexes — au moment de l’écriture, sur le prix des billets de concert. Dans ce contexte, il est difficile d’imaginer que l’ère Starmer entre dans l’histoire comme autre chose qu’un interrègne sombre, mais court, avant que la Grande-Bretagne ne réintègre le monde de la politique européenne, dans lequel l’immigration de masse est la crise centrale autour de laquelle les systèmes politiques tournent puis se désintègrent.
En regardant l’Europe, nous voyons trois scénarios plausibles sur la manière dont la politique d’immigration pourrait façonner l’avenir de la Grande-Bretagne. Il n’est pas difficile d’imaginer la coalition allemande de sociaux-démocrates, de Verts et de Libéraux se reproduisant ici : les résultats, en Allemagne, sont tels que nous les voyons. Chaque attentat terroriste ou acte de violence aléatoire commis par des migrants discrédite davantage le consensus libéral, tandis que des politiques énergétiques bien intentionnées mais mal planifiées font s’effondrer l’économie, entraînant un mécontentement et une radicalisation supplémentaires. La faction Flügel de Björn Höcke, longtemps controversée au sein de l’AfD elle-même, a obtenu le plus grand succès du parti non pas en modérant son discours mais en radicalisant, en jouant avec des allusions national-socialistes et en adoptant une plateforme identitaire de déportations massives, qui — si le parti parvient finalement au pouvoir — pourrait aller bien au-delà de la vague démographique historique de Merkel. Le plus grand soutien à l’AfD en Thuringe et à travers l’Allemagne est montré par les jeunes. En observant le ton du discours parmi la droite britannique plus jeune, qui pourrait être attendue pour entrer en politique dans une décennie ou deux, il y a actuellement peu, au-delà d’un État de sécurité élargi et intrusif, pour empêcher l’émergence de dynamiques similaires ici.
Paralysé, un Scholz politiquement moribond a cédé le discours sur l’immigration à l’opposition CDU, qui nous présente le deuxième résultat potentiel, celui des conservateurs traditionnels adoptant une ligne beaucoup plus dure sur l’immigration, soit pour empêcher la droite radicale d’accéder au pouvoir, soit pour former des gouvernements traditionnels dans lesquels la droite radicale est le faiseur de rois, comme dans l’impeccablement libéral Suède et aux Pays-Bas. En réponse à la dernière atrocité terroriste, le leader de la CDU, Friedrich Merz, a proposé de déclarer une urgence nationale concernant l’immigration, permettant à l’État de renvoyer les migrants à la frontière, avec une interdiction générale des admissions en provenance de Syrie et d’Afghanistan. Rien de tout cela n’est actuellement dans la fenêtre d’Overton de la politique britannique, mais la nouvelle politique de Scholz, l’analogue allemand de Starmer, de déporter des criminels migrants dangereux en Afghanistan et dans le système judiciaire taliban, plaçant sans réserve la sécurité du public allemand au-dessus des intérêts de ceux qui ont été accueillis — puis abusés — par l’hospitalité de l’État allemand. Selon l’issue du concours de leadership conservateur, il n’est pas difficile d’imaginer un parti Tory, pressé par une insurrection de Réforme, soit repoussant le défi de sa droite par un rejet total de son propre bilan récent et désastreux sur l’immigration, soit poursuivant une forme de collaboration avec la Réforme, si le nouveau parti continue sa tendance à la hausse.
C’est pour éviter l’un ou l’autre des scénarios ci-dessus que le Parti travailliste se voit présenté avec un troisième chemin, comme le montre le Danemark. Ayant, par son adoption d’une ligne plus stricte sur la migration, détaché la tâche ostensible du gouvernement social-démocrate de la poursuite de l’immigration de masse comme un bien moral en soi — une tendance qui a, ces dernières décennies, consumé la gauche occidentale — le Danemark a contourné le tumulte politique qui submerge d’autres démocraties européennes. L’asile, au Danemark, est désormais présenté comme une mesure temporaire, plutôt que comme un chemin vers un établissement permanent, limitant drastiquement le nombre de ceux qui voient les demandes d’asile comme un moyen légal efficace d’améliorer leurs perspectives économiques. Ceux qui ont besoin d’un refuge en reçoivent un, tant que leurs maisons restent dangereuses : ceux qui n’en ont pas besoin, et qui exploitent simplement l’humanitarisme du public danois, sont rejetés. Avec une migration de plus en plus dépolitisée grâce à ses nouvelles politiques largement populaires, le centre-gauche danois est libre de se consacrer à la gouvernance normale, un luxe que Starmer enviera bientôt.
Si nous partons du principe que le Parti travailliste a l’intention de gagner les prochaines élections, alors il existe de nombreuses solutions relativement simples et parfaitement humaines que Starmer peut adopter pour assainir la politique britannique du puits empoisonné laissé par les gouvernements précédents. En effet, le prometteur début précoce sur les déportations suggère que l’ancien avocat des droits de l’homme comprend que le système d’asile tolérant de la Grande-Bretagne ne peut être préservé que par une réforme agressive. Mais d’abord, il doit purger les extrémistes au sein de ses rangs. Il y a une décennie, au plus fort de la grande expérience de Merkel d’ouverture des frontières de l’Europe à, inter alia, l’État islamique, les libéraux britanniques trouvaient facile de présenter la position de rejet de la Pologne et de la Hongrie comme les politiques regrettables de simples Européens centraux avec des attaches fragiles à la démocratie libérale. Pour tout leur solipsisme paroissial, il sera plus difficile pour le commentaire libéral britannique engendré par le règne conservateur et le Brexit de condamner la Suède, le Danemark, les Pays-Bas et l’Allemagne comme des pays autoritaires illibéraux perdus pour une gouvernance éclairée.
Harmoniser avec nos plus proches voisins européens contre le maximalisme migratoire de plus en plus anormal de la Grande-Bretagne marquerait un nouveau départ clair après des décennies d’échecs conservateurs. Pendant l’élection, le Parti travailliste de Starmer a activement et à juste titre fait campagne contre la libéralisation bizarre et inutile de l’immigration légale par le Parti conservateur, dont le résultat a été l’arrivée de près de 4 % de la population britannique au cours des deux dernières années. Comme l’a souligné l’intervention de Tony Blair la semaine dernière, observant que le gouvernement de Boris Johnson a échangé des travailleurs européens économiquement productifs contre des familles élargies à bas salaires en provenance du monde en développement, il s’agit d’une erreur politique conservatrice de proportions catastrophiques. Pourtant, les erreurs sont mieux rectifiées que déplorées : tout ce qu’il faut faire, c’est laisser expirer sans renouvellement les visas accordés aux travailleurs migrants à bas salaires. Aucune population bien établie ne serait déracinée, aucune norme de droits de l’homme de longue date ne serait violée. De même, pourquoi les contribuables devraient-ils maintenir près de 1,7 million de travailleurs migrants au chômage — un oxymore typiquement britannique — à un coût annuel de 8 milliards de livres, tout en subissant eux-mêmes l’austérité ? Il n’y a aucune raison pour que les migrants au Royaume-Uni ne résident pas sous les mêmes règles qui s’appliquent aux expatriés britanniques dans l’UE. Quel est le cas défendable pour accueillir, plutôt que de déporter, des criminels étrangers, tout en libérant des délinquants dangereux parmi les nôtres ?
En effet, nos voisins européens accueilleraient une épidémie de centrism sensé parmi la classe dirigeante britannique. Lorsque le ministre français des Affaires étrangères Gérald Darmanin a affirmé que la racine de la crise des migrants de la Manche était l’économie grise mal régulée et à bas salaires de la Grande-Bretagne, agissant comme un aimant pour les classes inférieures-moyennes du monde en développement, il avait tout à fait raison. Le gouvernement français blâme déjà les activistes britanniques pro-migration pour entraver leur contrôle des frontières, et doit maintenant faire face aux migrants effectuant le voyage à travers la Manche de la Grande-Bretagne vers la France. Comme avec le gouvernement irlandais, blâmant les règles de visa laxistes de la Grande-Bretagne pour leur propre crise migratoire, (et redésignant la Grande-Bretagne comme un ‘pays sûr’ pour permettre des refoulements), nos problèmes migratoires sont un fardeau pour nos voisins européens, déjà aux prises avec leurs propres crises migratoires. Argumenter contre une réforme sensée est une position véritablement marginale : même les influenceurs FBPE se plaignant des files d’attente pour les passeports post-Brexit ne devraient sûrement pas accueillir l’examen accru qui suivra le nouveau rôle de la Grande-Bretagne en tant que point faible dans le régime frontalier de l’UE en développement.
Que peut-on faire ? L’harmonisation britannique avec le Pacte sur la migration et l’asile de l’UE serait une solution évidente, parfaitement libérale et humaine. Parmi ses nombreux avantages, il y aurait une acceptation ferme du principe selon lequel les migrants devraient demander l’asile dans le premier pays de l’UE sûr qu’ils atteignent, et que tout mouvement unilatéral vers la Grande-Bretagne devrait être automatiquement rejeté. Des tragédies inutiles telles que le meurtre d’un retraité à Hartlepool par un jihadiste marocain, dont les demandes d’asile sans fondement ont été rejetées par plusieurs autres pays de l’UE avant d’arriver ici, seraient évitées (comme peut-être l’auraient été les émeutes subséquentes à Hartlepool).
Comme le Comité mixte parlementaire sur les droits de l’homme l’a déjà déclaré : ‘Il n’est pas déraisonnable de considérer comme irrecevable [une demande d’asile] d’un individu qui a déjà eu [celle-ci] examinée, acceptée ou rejetée dans un autre pays sûr.’ Quel peut être l’argument contre une réforme aussi manifestement sensée et modérée ? Que la Grande-Bretagne, de manière unique en Europe, a la compétence de juger de telles demandes à nouveau, ou que les procédures d’asile de nos voisins européens sont trop sévères et illibérales pour être acceptées ? Ce ne sont pas des arguments sérieux, tandis que l’harmonisation avec l’UE éviterait la tendance dirigée par des activistes du système juridique britannique à considérer les demandes d’asile en provenance de pays tels que, jusqu’à récemment, l’Albanie ou comme l’a observé Starmer lui-même, le Bangladesh, presque uniformément reconnu par d’autres pays européens comme sûr.
En observant les développements en Europe, et les émeutes anti-migration qui ont terni ses premières semaines au pouvoir, Starmer doit reconnaître qu’il possède une fenêtre étroite pour réformer le système défaillant de la Grande-Bretagne avant qu’il ne détruise son gouvernement. Le résultat le plus probable de son échec systémique n’est pas une trajectoire ascendante sans fin de migration de masse, mais l’absence totale de système d’asile, punissant les véritables méritants pour les excès des activistes pro-migration et les abus qu’ils ont entraînés.
Au lieu de se fixer sur une politique d’immigration de masse et de chercher des raisons de plus en plus spécieuses pour la justifier, la politique britannique devrait être modérée et fondée sur des preuves. Si les arguments avancés sont économiques, alors l’immigration doit être limitée uniquement aux personnes économiquement productives, en utilisant des données sur les coûts et les bénéfices économiques des différents pays d’origine comme le font les Danois (et notre État refuse de le faire); si les arguments avancés sont humanitaires, alors seuls ceux qui méritent vraiment une protection internationale devraient en bénéficier, de peur que l’abus du système ne le démolisse dans son intégralité. Pour les personnes qui tirent leur légitimité de la vigilance éternelle contre le fascisme, notre classe dirigeante libérale a fait tout ce qui était en son pouvoir pour assurer son retour sous une forme postmoderne. Pour éviter ce résultat, le Labour de Starmer doit rejeter l’extrémisme des deux côtés, en suivant le chemin modéré et intermédiaire de nos voisins européens libéraux.
Yet another stab at politicizing the murderous actions of a crazy drug addict from a f**ked up family. The guy’s grandfather was a Republican! That’s why he did it! But the gang mass murders occurring every weekend in America’s big cities barely get mentioned. As long as the perp is a white male, game on! Not a white male? Nuthin’ to see here, folks. And everyone knows it.
Firstly, two wrongs don’t make a right. Secondly, I’m not exactly going to fall over myself weeping at the thought of gangsters killing each other!
It sounds like you are downplaying this atrocity through an enormous dose of ‘whataboutery’. It should be perfectly possible to decry the excesses of the identitarian Left without showing sympathy or even denial to the actions of every right wing nutter going!
Firstly, two wrongs don’t make a right. Secondly, I’m not exactly going to fall over myself weeping at the thought of gangsters killing each other!
It sounds like you are downplaying this atrocity through an enormous dose of ‘whataboutery’. It should be perfectly possible to decry the excesses of the identitarian Left without showing sympathy or even denial to the actions of every right wing nutter going!
Yet another stab at politicizing the murderous actions of a crazy drug addict from a f**ked up family. The guy’s grandfather was a Republican! That’s why he did it! But the gang mass murders occurring every weekend in America’s big cities barely get mentioned. As long as the perp is a white male, game on! Not a white male? Nuthin’ to see here, folks. And everyone knows it.
As soon as the shooter identified as non-binary, the story died a quick death. Haven’t heard anything since. Funny how that works.
As soon as the shooter identified as non-binary, the story died a quick death. Haven’t heard anything since. Funny how that works.
“Earlier this week, 22-year-old Anderson Lee Aldrich entered an LGBTQ nightclub”
A what nightclub?
It’s pretty well known that gays and lesbians tend not to go to the same clubs. Lumping in other letters is mealy mouthing. Why not say gay club and be done?
Agreed, especially given that ‘cis’ lesbians tend to avoid these clubs as of 2022 because they are filled with ‘transbians’ (i.e. autogynephilic male-to-female transsexuals).
Two of the people killed were heterosexual.
They were likely there because gay bars have the best music
They were likely there because gay bars have the best music
Once male always male doesn’t matter what surgery or drugs you take every cell screams maleness!! So MtF is always a lie!!
Two of the people killed were heterosexual.
Once male always male doesn’t matter what surgery or drugs you take every cell screams maleness!! So MtF is always a lie!!
Because that would be exclusive and miss out trans people who are the most important minority in the whole wide world. So many were so quick to point out at least one of the dead was a transman, while not having a clue about the rest. Labels are important when trying to prove the point that trans people are being killed in their thousands simply because they are trans. And then there is the projection of this attitude to the UK so it must be true here too!
who cares?
I’m sure we have the odd few attending The Jockey Club, The Turf, And White’s if only as guests? Are these different sorts of clubs? I’m a tad out of touch with such things.
Agreed, especially given that ‘cis’ lesbians tend to avoid these clubs as of 2022 because they are filled with ‘transbians’ (i.e. autogynephilic male-to-female transsexuals).
Because that would be exclusive and miss out trans people who are the most important minority in the whole wide world. So many were so quick to point out at least one of the dead was a transman, while not having a clue about the rest. Labels are important when trying to prove the point that trans people are being killed in their thousands simply because they are trans. And then there is the projection of this attitude to the UK so it must be true here too!
who cares?
I’m sure we have the odd few attending The Jockey Club, The Turf, And White’s if only as guests? Are these different sorts of clubs? I’m a tad out of touch with such things.
It’s pretty well known that gays and lesbians tend not to go to the same clubs. Lumping in other letters is mealy mouthing. Why not say gay club and be done?
“Earlier this week, 22-year-old Anderson Lee Aldrich entered an LGBTQ nightclub”
A what nightclub?
Is this article a joke? The article you linked was to the Uvalde shooter and was months old. There is no excuse for that level of sloppiness. Here is a tip from an American. If it is several days and you still don’t know many of the relevant details of the shooting, then somewhere it does not fit the “narrative”.
Is this article a joke? The article you linked was to the Uvalde shooter and was months old. There is no excuse for that level of sloppiness. Here is a tip from an American. If it is several days and you still don’t know many of the relevant details of the shooting, then somewhere it does not fit the “narrative”.
With the trend for states to pardon non-violent marijuana users, the result will be more open cells to house violent felons. Whether that pleases the left no one else really cares.
If a few patrons of the club had been legally armed perhaps the death toll might have been less for the patrons and more for the killer.
An armed employee at the door might have noticed a guy wearing tactical gear and carrying an AR-15.
The comment about “increasingly draconian punishments” is risible, given how DAs allow violent perps to bond out, without bail in many cases. The elimination of cash bail and allowing judges to determine a person’s likely danger to society is a cause of a lot of increase in crime. Thank you George Soros.
An armed sentry should not be posted in the front and centre of the killing zone. He (and in my experience it’a usually a he) should be concealed with a good (cctv?) view of the approaches and entrance right up to the power operated door. Re your last paragraph – Forget G Soros, it’s your politicians at all levels you should pour your ire and scorn upon. We Brits have enough of it but you Yanks should put your politicians firmly in their place as public servants.
The “good guy with a gun” argument is pathetically stupid at all times but in a crowded nightclub with panicked patrons it really is the height of insanity.
Still better than a bad guy with a gun.
Still better than a bad guy with a gun.
An armed sentry should not be posted in the front and centre of the killing zone. He (and in my experience it’a usually a he) should be concealed with a good (cctv?) view of the approaches and entrance right up to the power operated door. Re your last paragraph – Forget G Soros, it’s your politicians at all levels you should pour your ire and scorn upon. We Brits have enough of it but you Yanks should put your politicians firmly in their place as public servants.
The “good guy with a gun” argument is pathetically stupid at all times but in a crowded nightclub with panicked patrons it really is the height of insanity.
With the trend for states to pardon non-violent marijuana users, the result will be more open cells to house violent felons. Whether that pleases the left no one else really cares.
If a few patrons of the club had been legally armed perhaps the death toll might have been less for the patrons and more for the killer.
An armed employee at the door might have noticed a guy wearing tactical gear and carrying an AR-15.
The comment about “increasingly draconian punishments” is risible, given how DAs allow violent perps to bond out, without bail in many cases. The elimination of cash bail and allowing judges to determine a person’s likely danger to society is a cause of a lot of increase in crime. Thank you George Soros.
Above all else – Well done to those who counterattacked. Some may have lost their lives but their spirit must live on. One way of dissuading any person(s) from attacking others on the grounds of religious, political or sexual difference is to show that we are not afraid and are united against them.
Above all else – Well done to those who counterattacked. Some may have lost their lives but their spirit must live on. One way of dissuading any person(s) from attacking others on the grounds of religious, political or sexual difference is to show that we are not afraid and are united against them.
Not sure why there is an excess of under lining in this article which is distracting. The story is complex where the shooter is obviously quite mentally ill. It’s a story made for politics and sensation and will be spun by the various factions in hopes of generating a change in public attitude. The shooter has made their mark for a few news cycles. We can ask why this person lost all sense of morality that we all once shared.
The difference is that there are mentally ill people the world over, it’s only in the States that they go and shoot up schools, clubs, shops etc. Blaming mental health seems a cop out
The difference is that there are mentally ill people the world over, it’s only in the States that they go and shoot up schools, clubs, shops etc. Blaming mental health seems a cop out
Not sure why there is an excess of under lining in this article which is distracting. The story is complex where the shooter is obviously quite mentally ill. It’s a story made for politics and sensation and will be spun by the various factions in hopes of generating a change in public attitude. The shooter has made their mark for a few news cycles. We can ask why this person lost all sense of morality that we all once shared.
I found this piece far more confusing than enlightening. We are told that in “… 2022, there have so far been 662 mass shootings leading to 671 deaths and 2,616 injuries — many of which, truth be told, are in large metropolitan areas and tied to gang violence.”
Truth be told, indeed. A Washington Times article from June, to which this article links, informs us that of the mass-shootings recorded so far this year “nearly all can be tied to gang beefs, neighborhood arguments, robberies or domestic incidents that spiraled out of control.”
What this means, and what the author fails to reveal, is that the great majority of these incidents are committed by urban black thugs, whose only merit is that their aim is not very good. This Aldrich fellow may be a weird duck, and a would-be tranny to boot, but he’s more like the exception than the rule. Like the Lone Gunman who inspired a lot of cowboy movies, he is a straw man, onto whom anti-gun activists place their vain hopes.
Finally, it is not clear to me what the writer proposes to deal with THAT problem: the plain fact that America’s blacks, who make up 13% of the population, commit the great majority of American crimes, including the most violent ones. He seems to disapprove of locking them up, even though doing so carries the obvious advantage that they cannot be out on the streets shooting other blacks.
I found this piece far more confusing than enlightening. We are told that in “… 2022, there have so far been 662 mass shootings leading to 671 deaths and 2,616 injuries — many of which, truth be told, are in large metropolitan areas and tied to gang violence.”
Truth be told, indeed. A Washington Times article from June, to which this article links, informs us that of the mass-shootings recorded so far this year “nearly all can be tied to gang beefs, neighborhood arguments, robberies or domestic incidents that spiraled out of control.”
What this means, and what the author fails to reveal, is that the great majority of these incidents are committed by urban black thugs, whose only merit is that their aim is not very good. This Aldrich fellow may be a weird duck, and a would-be tranny to boot, but he’s more like the exception than the rule. Like the Lone Gunman who inspired a lot of cowboy movies, he is a straw man, onto whom anti-gun activists place their vain hopes.
Finally, it is not clear to me what the writer proposes to deal with THAT problem: the plain fact that America’s blacks, who make up 13% of the population, commit the great majority of American crimes, including the most violent ones. He seems to disapprove of locking them up, even though doing so carries the obvious advantage that they cannot be out on the streets shooting other blacks.
and the pheasant season has only just started….
aye, aye aye, prrrrrrr… aye, aye, aye…. tap tap tap…
aye, aye aye, prrrrrrr… aye, aye, aye…. tap tap tap…
and the pheasant season has only just started….
I think Mr. Bateman has come closer to understanding mass shootings in the U.S. than anything I’ve read so far. Please click on to his link of being ” blackpilled”. Dark stuff. Our culture is rotting from within regardless of partisanship.
I think Mr. Bateman has come closer to understanding mass shootings in the U.S. than anything I’ve read so far. Please click on to his link of being ” blackpilled”. Dark stuff. Our culture is rotting from within regardless of partisanship.
The shooter was obviously a desperately conflicted individual. That he used a weapon should not cast shade on selling firearms. He could just as easily, for a few dollars more, bought one on the street corner, or were he more technically accomplished, have printed one out in his mother’s basement. Those who frequented the establishment should have realized that, as nails which stuck out, they were candidates to be hammered down. Just an unfortunate confluence of destinies, nothing especially American about it. There was no way it could have been prevented except, as posted above, with better security on site. Mental illness and laws permitting contra-traditional mores are an explosive combination anywhere. Tolerance can only evolve from practicality, it can never be coerced.
Do they have beaters, or is it a walk up?
Do they have beaters, or is it a walk up?
The shooter was obviously a desperately conflicted individual. That he used a weapon should not cast shade on selling firearms. He could just as easily, for a few dollars more, bought one on the street corner, or were he more technically accomplished, have printed one out in his mother’s basement. Those who frequented the establishment should have realized that, as nails which stuck out, they were candidates to be hammered down. Just an unfortunate confluence of destinies, nothing especially American about it. There was no way it could have been prevented except, as posted above, with better security on site. Mental illness and laws permitting contra-traditional mores are an explosive combination anywhere. Tolerance can only evolve from practicality, it can never be coerced.
The problem we face in the USA is that our society in general no longer has any recognition of the dignity and sanctity of each individual human life. Beginning in 1973 with R vs W, the ease with which women kill their babies, aided by politicians who insist that killing their babies is the most basic right women have, has led to our societal view of human individuals as objects whose value depends upon the utility of each person: no utility, no value. And this attitude can be seen in every facet of life, including in the endless wars the USA wages throughout the rest of the world without regard to the innocent lives lost or devastated by these unjust wars. Until we remember and reclaim the inherent value, sanctity, and dignity of every single human individual and change societal attitudes accordingly we cannot stop lost, hurting people from acting out their pain. We can have compassion for the pain this Aldrich felt that drove him to this horrible crime without excusing his crime. No policy change or political solution from any political party can solve the problem of violence in our country. This is an issue with the human heart and the heart of our society.
A picture of rampant narcissism replacing any concept of who we are as humans. When we become our own god, addiction and destruction follow. Laws won’t change this, but our consumer celebrity culture has increased it. Our children need the protection of a loving grounded family to even have a chance – this young man didn’t have that.
Of course, celebrities and abortion are to blame!!!!
Not what I said.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/thankful-for-abortions/
Read that article and tell me that acceptance of abortion as a viable means to ending a “problem” person hasn’t led to narcissism and the loss of respect for the dignity and sanctity of human life and the rise of a utilitarian view of human beings.
Not what I said.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/thankful-for-abortions/
Read that article and tell me that acceptance of abortion as a viable means to ending a “problem” person hasn’t led to narcissism and the loss of respect for the dignity and sanctity of human life and the rise of a utilitarian view of human beings.
Exactly. And he didn’t have that because we quit valuing children as human beings long ago. Rampant narcissism is a consequence of our denial of the dignity and sanctity of all individual lives, even those of the unborn – who is more narcissistic than a woman who kills the baby she carries? If I worded my post in a way that sounds supportive of people who think they can create their own realities and force others to play along that was not my intended message. But I will say that we had this discussion about this terrible Colorado Springs incident at our Thanksgiving dinner yesterday and discussed that LGBT, especially the T portion, arises partly from the fact that people don’t feel valued for just being themselves anymore, so they create their own indentities in order to find belonging in the world of identity politics. It’s all rooted in the same utilitarian values our country has adopted starting the last half of the 20th century.
Did anyone at your Thanksgiving dinner point out that this might not happen so much if not every troubled youth could go out and buy military grade hardware over the counter?
Or is it easier for you to blame it all on trans kids and abortion?
See my reply to Billy Bob.
See my reply to Billy Bob.
Did anyone at your Thanksgiving dinner point out that this might not happen so much if not every troubled youth could go out and buy military grade hardware over the counter?
Or is it easier for you to blame it all on trans kids and abortion?
Of course, celebrities and abortion are to blame!!!!
Exactly. And he didn’t have that because we quit valuing children as human beings long ago. Rampant narcissism is a consequence of our denial of the dignity and sanctity of all individual lives, even those of the unborn – who is more narcissistic than a woman who kills the baby she carries? If I worded my post in a way that sounds supportive of people who think they can create their own realities and force others to play along that was not my intended message. But I will say that we had this discussion about this terrible Colorado Springs incident at our Thanksgiving dinner yesterday and discussed that LGBT, especially the T portion, arises partly from the fact that people don’t feel valued for just being themselves anymore, so they create their own indentities in order to find belonging in the world of identity politics. It’s all rooted in the same utilitarian values our country has adopted starting the last half of the 20th century.
I, for one, agree with you Teresa – though this tendency in America is also bolstered by many other angles of denigration of human life (not to mention this privatized identity delirium of the past 50 years).
I also suspect that 2 years of lockdown, which falsely masked us and separated us from families and society, was bound to exaggerate these bizarre, violent tendencies in nutty, marginal personalities.
This guy may have had weirdo parents (boo hoo) and been ostracized as a 300lb fat guy (who uses “they/them” pronouns?), but clearly a nut and I wonder how the club bouncers (or doormen?) allowed a guy with Kevlar and a rifle within 100 yards of the place. It would have helped, maybe, if he’d been locked up for the prior bomb threat (either in the slammer or a mental ward)
Almost every first world country allows abortion, yet none of them have the problems that the Americans do regarding shootings so I’d argue abortion and people shooting the place up are completely unrelated
You entirely miss the point. The point is that lack of respect for life and the sacredness of life leads to all these problems. States that allow abortion in the USA have the most liberal abortion laws in the world. Other countries disallow abortion after a certain number of weeks, not up until birth (and even after as in CA). With the legalization of abortion in the USA we had the beginning of the breakdown of the family, and this coincides with the breakdown of the foundational social structure in which children are raised in nurturing homes by two parents who have a vested interest in their children’s well being. People in the USA have always had guns. I grew up in West Texas (in the 1960s); all the young guys with whom I went to school had their own guns for hunting. No mass shootings. Young people in everywhere in the USA at that time had access to guns (before stricter gun laws were in place): no mass shootings. Why now? Why not when gun laws were more lax and young men could easily own them?
Why does it lead to these problems? If that was the case then every major country that allows abortion would have murder rates on par with the Americans surely? The fact is these mass shootings are almost unique to America amongst the developed world, therefore I’d argue that it is something unique to that country that is the underlying cause
Why does it lead to these problems? If that was the case then every major country that allows abortion would have murder rates on par with the Americans surely? The fact is these mass shootings are almost unique to America amongst the developed world, therefore I’d argue that it is something unique to that country that is the underlying cause
You entirely miss the point. The point is that lack of respect for life and the sacredness of life leads to all these problems. States that allow abortion in the USA have the most liberal abortion laws in the world. Other countries disallow abortion after a certain number of weeks, not up until birth (and even after as in CA). With the legalization of abortion in the USA we had the beginning of the breakdown of the family, and this coincides with the breakdown of the foundational social structure in which children are raised in nurturing homes by two parents who have a vested interest in their children’s well being. People in the USA have always had guns. I grew up in West Texas (in the 1960s); all the young guys with whom I went to school had their own guns for hunting. No mass shootings. Young people in everywhere in the USA at that time had access to guns (before stricter gun laws were in place): no mass shootings. Why now? Why not when gun laws were more lax and young men could easily own them?
A picture of rampant narcissism replacing any concept of who we are as humans. When we become our own god, addiction and destruction follow. Laws won’t change this, but our consumer celebrity culture has increased it. Our children need the protection of a loving grounded family to even have a chance – this young man didn’t have that.
I, for one, agree with you Teresa – though this tendency in America is also bolstered by many other angles of denigration of human life (not to mention this privatized identity delirium of the past 50 years).
I also suspect that 2 years of lockdown, which falsely masked us and separated us from families and society, was bound to exaggerate these bizarre, violent tendencies in nutty, marginal personalities.
This guy may have had weirdo parents (boo hoo) and been ostracized as a 300lb fat guy (who uses “they/them” pronouns?), but clearly a nut and I wonder how the club bouncers (or doormen?) allowed a guy with Kevlar and a rifle within 100 yards of the place. It would have helped, maybe, if he’d been locked up for the prior bomb threat (either in the slammer or a mental ward)
Almost every first world country allows abortion, yet none of them have the problems that the Americans do regarding shootings so I’d argue abortion and people shooting the place up are completely unrelated
The problem we face in the USA is that our society in general no longer has any recognition of the dignity and sanctity of each individual human life. Beginning in 1973 with R vs W, the ease with which women kill their babies, aided by politicians who insist that killing their babies is the most basic right women have, has led to our societal view of human individuals as objects whose value depends upon the utility of each person: no utility, no value. And this attitude can be seen in every facet of life, including in the endless wars the USA wages throughout the rest of the world without regard to the innocent lives lost or devastated by these unjust wars. Until we remember and reclaim the inherent value, sanctity, and dignity of every single human individual and change societal attitudes accordingly we cannot stop lost, hurting people from acting out their pain. We can have compassion for the pain this Aldrich felt that drove him to this horrible crime without excusing his crime. No policy change or political solution from any political party can solve the problem of violence in our country. This is an issue with the human heart and the heart of our society.