Bernie Sanders has been anything but quiet in the weeks since the Democrats’ defeat on 5 November, issuing stinging criticisms of the party with which he is only functionally affiliated as an independent. But recent days have seen even more dramatic signs of rupture between Bernie Sanders and Democratic establishment forces: the socialist tribune has begun to signal a measure of assent to the MAGA agenda — or at least parts of it.
The Vermont Senator has, to observers’ surprise, expressed approval of both Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency advisory body (DOGE) and RFK Jr’s vociferous criticisms of the food industry. What’s more, Sanders, who co-chairs the Senate Health Committee, says he still hasn’t decided on how to vote when it comes time to confirm Kennedy’s nomination for health secretary.
Moving beyond the tired “Resistance” tropes of the first Trump term, Sanders appears to be trying out a different kind of response to Trump’s renewed ascendancy: that of a cautious and qualified engagement with aspects of MAGA-ism that align with the Left’s own populist instincts. But are there really any genuine shared political convictions to sustain a Right-Left populist convergence?
Take Bernie’s positive comments on Musk — “a very smart guy” — and DOGE. One would think that there would be zero ideological overlap between a radical redistributionist and the world’s richest man. Yet Sanders tweeted: “Elon Musk is right. The Pentagon, with a budget of $886 billion, just failed its 7th audit in a row.” He went on to lambast the “Military Industrial Complex and a defence budget full of waste and fraud”. Lex Friedman, stalwart of the now “red-pilled” or Right-coded podcast world, replied “Happy to see this,” while an incredulous “Antifascist” account exclaimed: “Have you lost your fucking mind? Elon Musk is a Nazi oligarch who is in the process of taking our country apart. He’s the enemy.”
Such reactions are to be expected from the progressive base. But it must be remembered that Bernie was shaped by a Sixties Leftism heavily infused by the spirit of the anti-war movement, with its deep animus toward the defence establishment. Until recently this had been an almost exclusively Left-wing position. But as insiders in that establishment have increasingly cosied up to Democrats in response to the rise of Trump, the result has been a set of awkward alliances. For instance, while Bernie praised ex-Congresswoman Liz Cheney for endorsing Kamala Harris, it can’t have been easy for a lifelong peacenik to be on the same team as a politician whose last name is synonymous with neoconservative bluster and military adventurism.
In embracing at least this plank in the DOGE plan, Sanders is merely returning to form as a tried and true Leftist. And herein may be a useful strategy for progressives. Sanders can partially restrain the GOP’s mounting drive toward austerity by working to ensure bipartisan legitimacy for elements of DOGE that would be popular with voters: he could try to redirect Musk’s cost-cutting impulses away from, say entitlements or infrastructure, and toward clearing the coffers of the deep state, or at least opting for more efficient spending choices.
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SubscribeThe author needs to define what “populist”, “left-wing”, and “right-wing” mean. The author appears to define the centre of the political horseshoe on any given topic as whatever is the establishment Democrat Party orthodoxy. No wonder he is confused.
The globalist progressives that have hijacked both the Republican and Democrat party machines are not centrists. Promoting anti-Asian selection in universities is not centrist. Promoting the castration of quirky kids is not centrist. Allying with Islamists in the Middle East is not centrist. Attacking the first amendment is not centrist. Handing regulatory control of pharmaceuticals to pharmaceutical companies is not centrist. Open borders is not centrist. Wilful destruction of industry is not centrist. Ending cheap and abundent energy is not centrist. Handing sovereignty from elected national government to undemocratic supranational organisations is not centrist. Shrinking the middle class is not centrist.
Nothing the author assumes to be the political centre was ever and still is not the centre. Globalists are wearing the masks of Western democracies’ perennial mainstream political parties and persuing the extreme re-engineering of our societies. Centrist voters are being forced to vote for formerly left-wing and right-wing parties to try and get nearer to what was, until recently, the political centre. And yes, this is populism: it is popular, it is a majority view point, it is also, by definition, the centre.
Well put. The same in the UK. The centre does not exist, other than it being a position with which the majority would agree.
Note that Sanders decries government waste ONLY in the Dept of Defense, and he is taking the conventional socialist position against ANY big business merely because it is big on the health care issues.
He hasn’t changed a thing, merely found a few needles in the haystack of applications of Trump/Musk/RFK policies with which he agrees.
Still a clown. Being principled is not good enough; even Hitler had principles, just terrible ones.
A clown sitting there in his big woolly mittens. What a dope.
Yes. Neo-Lib- Conism.
Not liberal
Not conservative.
And certainly not new.
While we’ve never “felt the Bern” in our house on a general political level, we have always been fans of Bernie Sanders because he has always seemed like a committed and principled sort of guy. He has the sort of power and cult status to come out and say some controversial stuff because he doesn’t fear the backlash and doesn’t let the prospect of it limit him.
So he’s against government waste and for any efforts made to reduce it? Surely this is what all decent politicians should be arguing for? The substance of the statement isn’t controversial, it’s just who is saying it and that’s where so many people have simply lost their minds.
What has bothered me since 2016 is that people will disagree with anything Trump says simply because it’s Trump – even if they damage themselves in the process. What was so controversial about Trump putting the boot in on Germany about their failure to meet Nato spending targets, for example? nothing – but people still went nuts over it. And, for agreeing with him, suddenly I was “pro Trump”.
No – I just think that Europe should start doing a lot more for its own defence; a common sense position given that the Americans don’t want to bankroll our security anymore.
Therefore: Sanders isn’t “going MAGA”, he’s just signalling his own common sense and that he hasn’t lost his mind to TDS.
Agree except it was never a good idea for any country to not pay for its own defense even if it could rely on America to save it. Such dependence means you are no longer a Nation just as a male who refuses to try to defend himself is not a Man.
I see your point but I don’t think it’s helpful to talk about this in Europe as the argument comes at least 75 years too late and I’m not even certain that Europe could have defended itself in the immediate aftermath of WW2 or where we’d be today had the Marshall Plan not happened.
Well said. Historical events have consequences that go far into the future. Europe started the World Wars and the USA and USSR ended them. It left Europe destroyed and impoverished and left only two real global powers standing. The Marshall Plan was the USA’s ploy to dominate western Europe by financing its defense and immediate rebuilding. It worked and here we are 75 years later. It isn’t at all fair that today’s Europeans should have their countries consigned to the status of American client states, but they’re not exactly in the best position to contest the point. It’s also not entirely clear that Europe in its deindustrialized state is still worth the money spent defending it, which is what Trump is basically implying through his criticism. It certainly was in 1950, but the world has changed since then. History isn’t fair.
You have chosen your side, Katharine – you are pro-Trump. Clearly you like to see a big strong American president putting the boot in on weaker nations. Why be bashful about it – or complain about the reaction it gets you? Of course some of his policies are likely to have good elements – nobody is perfect after all. But the main effect of saying so is to make it clear that overall you think he is quite a reasonable guy, and that all his little peccadilloes do not matter that much in the broader picture. Hitler also had some good policies – that is an obvious truth. But the people who say so are not trying to promote his motorway-building or social policies, but to claim that there was nothing about him that was really that bad. Trump may be nowhere near the Hitler league, but the mechanism is still the same.
This is one of your oddest comments yet, Rasmus. So odd in fact that I’m going to assume it’s a joke or intentional provocation and walk on by.
No, it is not a joke. But if you want to engage after all, this is the most neutral way I can put it:
Praising any of Trump’s policies, without commenting on any problems he might pose, is a way of making him look like a normal, acceptable politician, that you should work with constructively rather than fight.
Praising him for ‘putting the boot in’ shows you approve of his ultra-combative, zero-sum, take-no-prisoners approach to politics.
Do you disagree? And, if so, what are your arguments?
TDS
TDS has been and is the single most difficult and disturbing element of the Trump phenomenon for me. It never fails to astound me or knock me for six how perfectly rational and intelligent people suddenly lose all sense of logic and capacity for thinking when Trump is involved.
I don’t understand the inability/refusal to separate the person making the statement from the substance of what they are saying.
Exhibit A: Mr. Fogh
Which substance are you talking about here? This is the man who keeps saying things that are so horrific in a democratic society that his fans have to complain that you should not take him literally.
What things?
It is an old discussion, and I do not keep an updated list with references. But OK:
That his political opponent should be locked up (Hilary).
That he welcomed the interference of the FSB in an American election (about those hacked Democrat emails).
Suggesting bleach injections as a potential treatment for COVID.
Pressuring state officials to return false election results or electors (“find me some votes”), and pressuring the vice president to refuse to certify the election result.
Claiming without justification or evidence that he had won the election but been cheated by fraud.
Inviting a mob of his fans to invade the Capitol to pressure Congress into overturning the election result, and praising the participants as ‘peaceful patriots’.
Promising to behave like a dictator once re-elected.
Threatening to have the Department of Justice harass or imprison his political opponents or people who had said things he did not like.
Systematically selecting appointees based on blind loyalty to himself without regard to competence, let alone loyalty to the Nation.
Trying to avoid security vetting for his appointees.
I am sure I could think of more if I did some research.
Personally I find some of his policies pretty horrific as well (appointing anti-vaxxers to run the NIH, casually suggesting the US might not honour its comitments to NATO), but of course that is just my opinion.
you still don’t get that this is far less about Trump, per se, than with the dysfunctional careerists in DC.
Praising any of Trump’s policies, without commenting on any problems he might pose, is a way of making him look like a normal, acceptable politician, that you should work with constructively rather than fight. —- How has relying on the ‘normal acceptable’ type worked?
Not well, but better than anything we can expect from Trump. No matter how badly things are going, they can always get a lot worse. Even if your job sucks, you are still unlike to do better gambling on the roulette full time.
Globalists v Nationalists replaced left v right with Thatcher, Clinton, Regan, Hawk and Keating (Aus).
The so called Left are Globalists with their anti ( blue collar mostly) working class agenda and the love of overseas cheap labour. They believe all cultural ideas (except those ideas that took the West to it’s golden years) are equal. Particularly when it means dismantling families, workers and other fundamental rights. Big systems with clever globalist experts sprouting nonsense.
The so called Right are Nationalists. They believe The Western Liberalism of the past was a superior belief system: that workers have cultural value as do families. That the globalist experts sprouting nonsense are career driven traitors.
The Horseshoe theory works pretty good most of the time..
Something like that.
What has the innocent sprout done to deserve this?
It’s “spouting”…
I blame the technocrats in Brussels.
Yep, and both the human and vegetable (or even the human vegetables) result in hot air.
Given the usual course of digestion of sprouts, the byproduct is not only hot, but offensive.
First things first, Bernie isn’t a Democrat. He’s an independent who usually votes with the Democrats. He’s counted as a Democrat when considering overall control of the Senate. Bernie has never shied from speaking his mind and bucking the political trends. He has always called himself a democratic socialist in defiance of political convention. He ran for the Democratic presidential nomination, which they allowed because of his voting with the Democrats over the years.
Even as they allowed Bernie to run for the nomination, the Democratic leadership didn’t actually want him to win. His inclusion in 2015 was, like Trump, an attempt to pacify what they felt was a small faction of dissidents calling for restrictions to globalism. When it looked like he might actually win, they conspired to thwart his campaign. They did it again in 2020. Bernie took it in stride and acted like a Democratic partisan, a team player, by endorsing the Democratic candidate and criticizing Trump.
Through all of that, Bernie has never wavered in his political positions, as the author pointed out, basically old left social democrat positions. He’s gotten away with being out of step because he’s from the unusual state of Vermont, which is one of the few states that is both deep blue and mostly rural. He’s never participated much in the identity politics tactics used by the national Democratic party. Vermont is mostly white. He distrusts big business, as do most rural voters who don’t care for city folk buying everything up and trying to micromanage it from some corporate headquarters. He hasn’t really changed, but the national political climate has changed, resulting in his odd combination of a rejection of identity politics combined with an affection for old European socialist policies from an earlier political era becoming something appealing to voters. He’s not MAGA and doesn’t want to be, but he owes his celebrity status to the same populist wave that swept Trump into office. He’s never been afraid to challenge Democratic leadership, since he owes them nothing, and he has particular reason to do so now after they basically squashed his run for President due to the interference of the super rich, global corporations, and pushers of identity politics.
Sanders has been among the most consistent American politicians in terms of the positions he takes and the issues he advocates for. That said, he doesn’t like Trump personally for many of the same reasons I don’t like him. Trump is an opportunist with an unstable personality prone to being manipulated by the people around him and being an inconsistent and undignified leader on the global stage, but he isn’t suffering from TDS because he never entirely approved of the neoliberal globalist project and won’t care if it falls apart. Sanders held his tongue up to the election because he shared the common cause of defeating Trump, but he has never been as strident in his criticisms of Trump as many others have, and he has, as per his usual, been relatively restrained and focused on the issues he cares about.
Now that election is over. Trump won’t be able to run for President again. Bernie no longer shares in that common purpose with the Democrats, so he has no reason to refrain from criticism. He’s free to be independent and he perceives, correctly, that Trump has realigned the Republican party in such a way that he can find some common ground and advance the issues and policies he has always supported. He’s had other moments of bipartisanship before. He was one of the chief advocates for John McCain’s campaign finance reform bill. Nothing he’s doing is out of character for him. He’s seizing the opportunity that Trump’s victory provided to stick it to a globalist establishment that he dislikes as much as anybody and has always opposed except when it came to national Presidential elections because he was closer to the Democrats than the Republican establishments, and for most of his career, there wasn’t much difference between them. He is also quite old and presumably will retire soon, yet he’s still the only credible leader of the populist Democrats and many of the independents. He’d probably like to hand that baton off to someone younger who can carry the fight forward.
AOC wouldn’t have been my first choice to take over Bernie’s post as Democratic populist champion. For most of her still young political career, she’s been extremely loud and vicious in embracing racial and identity politics. She has also said some really stupid things that are on par with Trump’s ranting, Biden’s age addled rambling, or Harris’s vapid word salads. However she is, to my infinite surprise and her credit, actually reaching out to people who voted for her in her district yet voted for Trump for President and *gasp* listening to their concerns. She entered politics awfully young, and age does bring wisdom so maybe there’s some hope for her. Further, if she wants to be anything beyond a rabble rousing House member from a safe blue urban enclave, she needs a message that will resonate nationally, and Sanders has that. At least she recognizes now that the game has changed and we’re in a different world now. They old globalist political era is coming to an end and it’s those who understand and adapt that will lead in the new one.
Thoughtful analysis
One would think that there would be zero ideological daylight between a radical redistributionist and the world’s richest man.
There is a typo here – it’s not zero daylight – but what if their divergent interests align? Bernie would be delighted to see certain things cut. But unlike the point of DOGE, he would want the savings shifted to leftist sacred cows rather than cut from the budget altogether. Never underestimate a grifter’s creativity.
The current populist movement is a natural reaction to the government-by-unelected-experts that has run America and Europe into the ground. The people perceive that they are poorer than they need to be, colder (or hotter) than they need to be, excluded from places they used to go and called nasty names about characteristics they used to value.
You can do this only so long before the pitchforks and torches come out — and the leaders of such a movement tend to be rather tacky characters. The populist movement will go too far, because such movements always do, and it will then fade and be replaced by an equally mindless movement.
Lol succinct and probably accurate.
A good thought. The neoliberal global project that emerged from the end of the Cold War went much too far and that sparked a populist revolt that, by the time it has run its course, will probably also go too far, sparking something else. The overreaction to the overreaction will spawn another overreaction. Then there’s the question of whether the first overreaction wasn’t itself an overreaction to some previous action or another overreaction. It ultimately leads to a Hegelian/Marxist approach to history, a cycle of conflict, struggle, resolution, consequences, new conflict. It’s an oversimplification that mostly fails to account for the technological changes that often drive economic and social movements, but it can be useful.
I’m not sure Sanders really cares what the current poor excuse for a Left we have in America thinks. He’s from the previous iterate of the Left, and is represents Vermont, which is an unusual place: Left-leaning, but with the same sort of attitude toward firearms and the Second Amendment as Texas. If the Vermont Left likes it, he can do whatever he wants.
Um, no, actually one would think that there would be oodles of ideological daylight between a radical redistributionist and the world’s richest man, not zero. Does anyone proof this stuff before it goes out?
That is what the author writes, One would think that there would be zero ideological overlap between a radical redistributionist and the world’s richest man. I think it’s important to be accurate when mentioning a quote. That’s how easy it is to misunderstand things. It’s overlap, not daylight.
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That is what the author writes, One would think that there would be zero ideological overlap between a radical redistributionist and the world’s richest man. I think it’s important to be accurate when mentioning a quote. That’s how easy it is to misunderstand things. It’s overlap, not daylight.