Imagine: the border with Scotland is closed and your home city of Manchester besieged. Before you know it, you and your family are having to flee to Wales to escape bombs and full-blown civil war. Such is the scenario of First World Problems, a dystopian BBC radio thriller following the plight of the fictional Fletcher family in the midst of a brewing civil war in the UK. Seeking to forestall a Scottish declaration of independence, the Westminster government of “Greater England” invades Scottish soil, before dissolving Parliament and — horror of horrors — assuming full control of the BBC itself.
To tell the tale of how a modern, multinational European country could slide from normalcy into the terrible vortex of civil war, the drama drew on the personal experience of BBC correspondents during the Balkan Wars of the Nineties. Broadcast in 2019, at the height of the Brexit crisis, when the atmosphere in the UK was indeed that of a cold civil war, the BBC dramatists succeeded in showing not only how little they understood Brexit but also how little their correspondents had learned about the collapse of Yugoslavia and the ensuing Balkan Wars.
The history of Yugoslavia still provides fodder for fictional accounts of a second British civil war because it offers a convenient moral fable. There is the dangerous allure of nationalism, the pernicious role of charismatic demagogues, and the collapse of multicultural harmony. It is the smug conceit of a liberal West that thought it had escaped history through globalisation and European integration across the Nineties. But now that the story of both Britain’s national decline and Yugoslavia’s collapse looks very different, what — if anything — can the 21st-century British public learn from the collapse of Yugoslavia?
Unsurprisingly, the standard fable bears little correspondence to the historic reality of Yugoslavia’s collapse. While the nationalist passions created during the war were real enough, they were modern rather than deeply historical and were weaponised by the hackish nationalist leaders. More scheming bureaucrat than inspired orator, Serbian strongman Slobodan Milošević dredged up Serbia’s defeat in the 1389 Battle of Kosovo Polje to reignite Serbian nationalism 600 years later. Seen as the point at which the Serbs martyred themselves before the invading Turks, that tale of rekindled historic grievance was clearly insufficient as an explanation of national collapse. If an independent Scotland ever did go to war against a Rump England, we can be confident that The New York Times would soon be carrying sombre stories about Edward Longshanks and Robert the Bruce, accompanied by chin-stroking editorials about ancient rivalries stretching back to the 1314 Battle of Bannockburn, adorned with quotes from Mel Gibson. But it would not serve as a useful explanation.
The reality is always more prosaic. Yugoslav ethnic grievances were bound up with centrifugal political dynamics between core and periphery. In 1974, the Yugoslav communist leader Marshal Tito sought to dilute Serbia’s preponderance as the largest constituent republic of the Yugoslav federation by imposing devolved provincial administrations within Serbia itself. This inter-ethnic asymmetry would play out in the collapse of Yugoslavia across the Nineties, as the secession of the smaller republics of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina were all afforded international recognition, while the secession of minority Serbs within Croatia and Bosnia was denied. To this day, the EU protectorate over Bosnia-Herzegovina expends much of its political energy in keeping Bosnia’s Serb population bound up in that rickety mini-federation, despite the Serbs’ hostility to the central state in Sarajevo.
Thus there is a lesson in Tito’s efforts at constitutional rebalancing. The attempt to boost peripheral smaller nations at the expense of the largest constituent nation risks precipitating a vicious cycle. The rights extended to smaller nations in order to placate and bind them more tightly to the central state can never be extended to the largest nation without disproportionately strengthening it, thereby risking the integrity of the central state. At the same time, the failure to extend the same rights equally across the constituent peoples of the state undermines the reciprocity and equality that is supposed to bind the state together.
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SubscribeI was not aware of the BBC radio drama. It is interesting that the BBC chose to depict a Yugoslav-style disintegration on to the UK, rather than the EU with the UK still in it, even though the desired federal vision for the EU would look far more like Yugoslavia did than the UK ever could.
I might be a little overly long-term in my thinking, but fear of a future EU civil war occurring as multiple nationalist movements try to extract themselves from it, which would inevitably be horrific, was my top reason for voting for Brexit.
Which is why Brussels is desperate for an EU army…
Let’s not kid ourselves.
Shut down the national power grid for 72 hours and we would be at war with each other pretty damn quickly.
Miliband appears to be putting that outcome actively to the test.
Well, uk is on that path already with Ed Milibrain driving national energy policy.
Not that top shagger Boris was any better.
Screwing country future to screw some toothy, stupid cow.
Author worked v hard here to outline a Brexit benefit – essentially that we may have ended up like Yugoslavia, or at least stopped any such slide in that direction. Twaddle. Reason the Balkans have settled dramatically from what was happening in mid 90s is due to US military might, NATO and the attraction of the EU. Yes the last one is real, painful though it may be for Brit Brexiteers.
Whether Brexit further aided a weakening of Scottish independence a debatable point though and not without some logic. Less convincing is the argument in Ireland.
Nonetheless the Author links Neoliberalism to why Brexit has not delivered what was promised. Some truth in this. Yet that awakening on the Right has yet to happen. They still can’t grasp the thing that most drove Brexit is something they also cherished and nurtured. They’ve yet to get into squaring this contradiction.
Neoliberalism gives the freedom for money, and therefore jobs, to move wherever it likes. The EU actively promotes this and one way to read Brexit is as a push back against neoliberalism.
That push back may not have been a reason for some of the main proponents on the right to support Brexit, but that does not mean it was not a reason for others that supported it (even if not expressed in that way).
I agree. Whilst many supporters of Brexit wouldn’t know what was meant by the term fundamentally it’s what they were angry about. Our form of capitalism just favoured an increasingly small minority, the almost inevitable trajectory of neoliberalism.
EU wasn’t to blame for our version of Neoliberalism. EU had/has faults, but pulling out of Single Market and Custom Union certainly not delivered anything helpful to the national debt.
You are right that the EU is not the ultimate cause of neoliberalism or the debt, but it is still part of that machine and leaving it (or the incredibly unlikely alternative of changing it) was necessary. I would also the contribution leaving it made to the debt is negligible compared to the banking crisis of 2008, pandemic and other factors.
Your last point I concur, although that doesn’t mean one should add to it. I was for staying and working hard to change it, as you may have guessed. It’s a counter factual but certainly signs we’d have got more traction now.
There are some signs that the EU has softened it’s stance slightly, but it is still a long way from significant change. But how much of that slight change in stance is due to Brexit? How much to the increase in similar ‘populist’ movements in other countries since the Brexit vote?
I think on illegal migration much is to do with the rise of the Far Right (for want of better term), but not just that. It worries far more than those who might vote for such a Party.
Brexit may have made a difference but more in a ‘bonding’ way for EU members. Nobody looking to leave and no far Right party serious about that either, which is quite an interesting point for Brexiteers here to note. Yes the Euro complicates things for others but even so.
The Franco-German axis is weakened. We’d have been more natural leaders.
Could you please insert some more definite articles and main verbs into your posts.
‘Whilst many supporters of Brexit wouldn’t know what was meant by the term fundamentally it’s what they were angry about’
It’s nice to see your prejudices on display yet again.
Do you have any evidence to support that claim.
‘They still can’t grasp the thing that most drove Brexit is something they also cherished and nurtured.’
Actually, people on the right have been grasping the issue of neoliberalism for quite some time. There’s a number of good arguments for free markets and restricted immigration instead of free markets and freedom of movement that neoliberalism offers. This is an old article from some time ago.
https://mises.org/journal-libertarian-studies/case-free-trade-and-restricted-immigration
This is the answer in my opinion. The brexit campaign was based on controlling immigration and arguments were made for free trade with various other countries, it fits well with the idea of Brexit and actually is very simple.
Free trade.
Restricted immigration.
Only the free trade deals with others never happened on the basis you’d like them, and won’t, and migration from non EU increased. We pulled out of the biggest free trade agreement in the World. It’s a form of cakeism you still struggle with I’d contend.
More broadly I think you’d find a heck of alot of previous Brexit supporters disgusted with how free markets tend towards monopolistic abuse and greater inequality. For too many our form of capitalism does not work for them and blaming that on migrants is a classic deflection.
I’m not blaming migrants. Where did I blame migrants?
I’m not against immigrantion. I’m pro restricted immigration.
We could not CONTROL the immigration from the EU, it’s not my fault personally, that the government can’t do its job and reduce the numbers now.
High immigration does erode wages and in fact that is an argument from the old school left, not the right. For somebody that constantly chirrups against right wing brexiteers, you don’t do a very good left wing argument.
.’ For too many our form of capitalism does not work for them and blaming that on migrants is a classic deflection’
I dispute that claim. Free market capitalism has lifted living standards pretty consistently across the west and is now doing the same in developing countries. Who are the ‘too many’ you claim it is not helping. How many is ‘too many’. What do you propose as an alternative.
India and China for example are up and coming at the moment, they are not getting richer through selling socialism are they. They are getting richer and lifting living standards because they are embracing globalist, capitalist markets.
We do not have proper free market capitalism at the moment, because of all the sanctions we keep imposing on ourselves, we need to get rid those too.
Firstly we could control EU migration much more than you think. We did not apply the full requirements permissible in the Treaty Article – all jobs advertised locally first, capital requirements to come here, benefits paid at rate of migrants own country not ours if claimed, 3mths and then you go home if no job etc. And that’s because the Tories i) didn’t want the admin hassle ii) wanted to weaponise the issue.
Secondly you seem to assume anyone not agreeing with you must be Left, albeit you don’t define what you mean by Left. I’d see myself as a bit more Centrist and supportive of Market economy that is better managed and ameliorated where necessary.
Thirdly good luck with explaining to folks that more free market will correct the increase in a sense of growing unfairness. Sensibly regulated markets have a key role, but many markets malfunction left unchecked.
Capitalism has lifted Billions out of poverty worldwide. The challenge in the West is the classic R>C. It’s needs corrective medicine.
Firstly we could control EU migration much more than you think.
Why isn’t that happening.
‘Secondly you seem to assume anyone not agreeing with you must be Left, albeit you don’t define what you mean by Left’
No I don’t assume, I thought I’d seen comments before saying you were to do with the labour party. Are you? You criticise the right wing constantly and brexit voters. So you aren’t left wing then? It doesn’t matter to me, my grandad was a dedicated Labour voter by the way.
Why would people not agreeing with me be on the left? My anti war arguments are actually left wing you know. So you know groups like no to nato, those left wing groups, I tend to find agreement with them. Then obviously there’s the fact that the arguments against high immigration come from the old school left. So do my arguments against tax havens. So no disagreement with the left there.
You seem very confused as to my politics, and rather confused about your own.
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I think we should pay our respects to the real architect of Brexit and the fractured “United” Kingdom, one Alex Salmond. I doubt there would have been a EU referendum if there hadn’t been a Scottish one.
Certainly something in the victory in the Scottish ref possibly made Cameron complacent about the EU ref.
The actual reason the British state is failing has nothing to do with ‘neo-liberalism’. It is entirely a consequence of the parasitism of the suburban middle class. Over a lifetime, as an average, you take out around 15% more than you put in. And that’s even before taking into account the millions in unearned property wealth to which you think you are entitled.
That’s why we’re drowning in debt.
And that’s even before taking into account the millions in unearned property wealth to which you think you are entitled.
Deliberately created by both parties to artificially increase gdp and to give the impression that our economy is growing. In exactly the same way that unlimited immigration increases gdp.
The elephant in the room is that both reduce gdp per capita which is the metric which actually matters.
GDP per capita does matter. But it’s not aided by a growing elderly population potentially acting as a drag on per capita productivity. How we square this in decades to come a real challenge.
Perhaps the thing the Right ducks a bit is we all need to work longer if we want enhanced productivity and a bit less immigration. Not the easiest thing though for any politician to sell.
Do you have any reference for that 15% figure?
I would quibble what middle class are you talking about.
What is killing Britain is shrinking productive sector and ever expanding public sector.
Classic example is NHS.
As per Prof Darzi report, productivity in NHS dropped by 30% since 2019.
Combination of 19% increase in funding and 13% fewer medical procedures being carried out.
But staff of failing organisations like NHS demand and gets 22% pay rise.
No private organisation would tolerate this.
I had knee replacement done on NHS in well known NHS Trust in London.
While procedure was a success the amount of wastage and duplication of effort was incredible.
Being asked 2 or 3 times for the same information by different units of the same NHS Trust etc.
But any attempt to reform total waste of money which is NHS is met with obstruction by BMA and other unions.
Reform NHS, have bonfire of quangos and remove immigrant benefit scroungers from uk and you save 100 billion a year at least.
Read the whole Darzi report and you’ll see what he puts the drop in productivity down to.
And in fact the Doctors pay rise still didn’t return them to parity with private sector equivalents given the reduction in real terms they’d experienced over prior 10+years. Remember private sector trains zero doctors too.
Being asked to reconfirm your basic details a few times must have been v difficult for you but good to know the NHS looked after you and transformed your life with the joint replacement. Good reason unfortunately why ID is checked repeatedly, but perhaps in near future we’ll do it with a scan of one’s eye and save time.
‘we’ll do it with a scan of one’s eye and save time.’
I sincerely hope not. Welcome to the biometric techno fascist state.
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Ever walked through airport Passport control? They already have your eyeball details.
I don’t think so. I don’t do travelling on planes I’m far to hobbit.
What is your point? That the biometric fascist socialist techno state is here already? And so we should just have more of it?
Just because people that have travelled have had their eyeballs scanned doesn’t then mean you need to impose it on the whole population. Don’t you think it represents a security threat? The more and more information we attach to biometric ids is fine until someone nicks it. Or an over zealous state decides to persecute you.
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Someone can nick your passport now and fake your identity. There is a huge trade in fake passports. Biometrics of your eye cannot be replicated and used at the scanning screens. That’s why it’s increasingly used. The criminals will be hoping your argument wins out.
‘Someone can nick your passport now and fake your identity.’
That’s a ridiculous argument. They can’t nick the entire countries biometric details in one go can they.
Err you seem to have travelled full cycle and now agreeing with me.
But that is where Neoliberalism in UK context was always going to lead us. You fixate on what is a potential symptom, not the cause.
The debt generated by the Crash of 2008 directly relates to Neoliberalism. The pandemic much less so, although furlough and QE accelerated inequality in asset wealth. We could have course-corrected on that but didn’t, although slowly we may do so now.
Until we leave the ECHR and remove the HCA from U.K. law we’re still in Europe and they control our borders, end of.
in a comment on the title of the article Britain is already ‘balkanized’ thanks to T Blair.
Ah, another person who seems to think that moving from taxing and spending 35%-ish of the economy to 45%-ish is a radical withering of the UK State. The reason the NHS is a mess, the roads are full of pot holes and nothing works is because the State singularly fails to do anything efficiently. It commands more and more of the nations output and yet does less and less. Mainly (but not entirely, rampant over regulation doesn’t help) because those employed by the State are handsomely remunerated (in both pay and pensions) yet have zero accountability to achieve anything, the fundamental flaw of socialism.
“This does not mean strengthening the state’s already bloated bureaucracy, but rather boosting the state as an authoritative and representative public power.”
You did read the article, yeah?
Of course not. Any mention of the State actually doing what we pay taxes for and improving the lives of its citizens are instantly met with howls of outrage by neoliberals.
Despite 40 years of evidence showing it to be total b****cks they still believe that if we enrich the top a little bit more, and deregulate that little bit further then we will be led to the utopia they promised all those years ago when everything was privatised.
Much like the Communists, it’s not that the system doesn’t work, it’s that it hasn’t been tried properly yet
How exactly is it ‘neoliberals’ fault the NHS is a pile of sh*te? Its budget is larger than it ever was, it consumes a larger proportion of national income than it ever has (covid excepted), its got more employees than its ever had, and it now does less work that it did pre-covid. The NHS consumes 11.3% of the UK’s national annual output. Its the 7th best funded healthcare service in the world, as a proportion of GDP. It outspends such neoliberal hellholes such as Sweden, Belgium, Spain and the Netherlands. Its broadly comparable to the 3 countries just above it in the list (Japan, Austria and Canada). And yet its woes are all the fault of Jacob Rees-Mogg and his ilk.
Pull the other one!
“But there has been a parallel process of state shrivelling in Britain…”
Eh? This requires some gymnastics by Cunliffe to define “the state” to include primarily nationalised industries and services (British Rail, British Steel, British Telecom) and exclude the civil service, the NHS, universities, social services etc.
There’s no denying that the States capacity to actually build and run anything has been severely diminished. It has been hollowed out significantly so now it solely consists of middle managers putting everything out to tender, for which they inevitably get their pants pulled down over the price because companies are well aware the work has to be done and the State has no ability to carry out the work itself
We are already well down the path of Balkanization as the recent general election as illustrated.
Significant parts of many of our cities and town have become ethnic enclaves which are increasingly no-go areas for the police and even whites, particularly after dark, and what happens when these cities towns become majority Muslim?
By 2050 the Muslim minority will be large enough to start acting like a majority….and that is most certainly a recipe for Balkanization. It’s already here in the cities
I agree. Both religion and race are the most likely causes of civil unrest, and current evidence suggests it will not be the white majority or Christians creating the issues. The root cause will be the fallout from the ridiculous policy of “multiculturalism”, which has caused enormous and bitter divisions across society. Only a robust return to striving for assimilation will allay the threat.
Judging by the past year’s worth of protests, cops covering up crimes, and the current hypersensitivities over a social media post that might hurt some feelings, a case can be made that Britain is already balkanized. As others here have pointed out, just look around. When cities are run by people who are well outside of what might be considered the British norm, you are playing catchup without realizing that you’re behind.
The point in the US was the melting pot – where you came from did not matter. What did matter was you blending in with everyone else. Yes, you can have the ethnic neighborhoods with the customs, traditions, and language, but otherwise, learn English, assimilate into the new land, and be self-supporting. Today, that’s considered criminal in a game of cultural relativism wherein the host country is expected to adjust to the newcomers rather than the other way around.
The UK’s defence secretary has said that the UK’s military couldn’t resist an invasion. Any English war with Scotland might follow the course of the War of 1812. The aggressor would be put on the defensive and it would see a Scottish army invade England. The result could be a United States of Greater Scotland and rule from Holyrood.
A civil war requires two sets of elites who are opposed to each other. The English Civil War would not have been possible in the Tudor age as at that time parliament had no sense of its own collective political identity. Tudor officials owed allegiance to their superior who had appointed them, and ultimately to the monarch.
As for an English parliament, there is already one. Others have been invited to it. If there were ever a civil war in the UK, would it see NATO aircraft from elsewhere bomb the transmitters of the BBC? And would it suit the EU to have the UK broken up into its regions and communities, all the better to absorb them piecemeal? The BBC’s scriptwriters could have made something of that.
I once encountered a rather inebriated Scotsman aboard a London Underground train on a New Years’ Eve. “Scotland saved England and all you Sassenachs in the Second World War”, he shouted out at all the embarrassed commuters. What-ho, Jock!
Truss was never a fan of the OBR, as this piece seems to suggest.
This article is utter nonsense.
Only someone without knowledge of this part of Europe could claim that there were no fundamental reasons for break up of Yugoslavia apart from Kohl desire to recognise other states.
What about Chetniks, Ustasha and Titos partisans civil war in ww2?
Yougoslavia was Soviet Block minime.
With Slovenians, Croats and Bosnians held together by force to justify Serbs desire for Greater Serbia.
Many claim that there should be Palestinian state but somehow Croats and Slovenians should be subjugated by Serbs?
Reality is that civil war in uk is coming but for completely different reasons to one’s mentioned by author.
That will be civil war between native population and Muslim and African savages invading this country.
But pseudo academics like this author ignore elephant in the room.
Cunliffe may be wrong in his analysis and ignoring her elephant, but that does not make him a “pseudo-academic”. He is a highly competent academician I suspect would be quick to agree that academics are imperfect!
Like most of the rest of the World, the major divide in the UK is between the major cities, populated largely by college educated professionals with liberal views, and the resentful and economically stagnant small towns and rural areas.
“Serbian strongman Slobodan Milošević dredged up Serbia’s defeat in the 1389 Battle of Kosovo Polje to reignite Serbian nationalism 600 years later.”
Is he Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson then or was Milosevic a statist communist turned ultra nationalist?
(He did have some concerning things going on so what should a Serb leader have done?}