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The sisterhood is a feminist lie It's naive to assume women will always agree

'Welcome as these throwbacks to the Sixties and Seventies are, the concept of sisterhood should probably be left there.' (Adam Berry/Getty Images)

'Welcome as these throwbacks to the Sixties and Seventies are, the concept of sisterhood should probably be left there.' (Adam Berry/Getty Images)


August 25, 2024   6 mins

What is the collective noun for female Labour MPs? The question arose anew last week as 13 politicians glammed up for a Vogue article and accompanying photo shoot.

Written in the hagiographic style beloved of women’s glossies, the piece presents our plucky parliamentarians as heroines in a Fifties film, punctuating drama and sentimentality with screwball moments during “a raucous mixer at Britain’s most democratically appointed sorority”.

“No-nonsense” Helena Dollimore is described as facing down “fire-breathing corporate dragons” (namely, Southern Water); brave pioneer Uma Kumaran, “her eyes shining with emotion”, reflects on being “the first British politician of Sri Lankan Tamil descent”; busy Secretary of State for Transport Louise Haigh, “with a smile on her face and one eye on the clock”, jauntily shouts “I’m off to fix the trains!”. Posing for the photographer in pastels and lipstick, the baker’s dozen are also described as “handpicked”, a bit like heritage strawberries on a gastropub menu. One imagines the mixed feelings of the remaining 177 Labour women in the Commons upon reading.

An alternative way to describe at least a subset of this group might be “bunch of massive hypocrites”, for it includes self-described socialists like Bell Ribeiro-Addy, Nadia Whittome and Zarah Sultana, apparently delighted to have their faces prominently displayed next to cosmetics worth hundreds and handbags worth thousands. “Everyone knows how expensive things have gotten… prices, rents and mortgages have soared,” Sultana is recorded as saying with a straight face. And to the further amusement of leftist-baiters everywhere, 13 has since proved to be an unlucky number: in the period between photo shoot and publication, Sultana and fellow rebel Apsana Begum had the whip suspended for backing the SNP’s amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap.

Yet despite, or perhaps because of, the infamous precedents of “Blair’s babes” and “Cameron’s cuties”, Vogue sub-editors have restrained themselves from offering a pithy moniker in the headline, sticking to the unmemorable “13 MPs set to redefine what power means in modern Britain”. Presumably this came as a relief to any anxious Labour staffer who remembers eye-catching headlines such as “Blair babe ex-Labour MP found guilty of threatening hotel staff with four-letter rant”, or “Police handed video recording of ‘Cameron cutie’ MP and her lover”.

Even The Telegraph and The Mail have seemed somewhat downbeat in their follow-up articles to the Vogue piece, eschewing the fairly obvious “Starmer’s stunners” and going for “Starmer’s sisterhood” instead. In doing so, they have replaced habitual images of rivalrous beauty competitions with visions of warm friendship between women, holding hands and air-punching together to the sound of some uplifting girlboss anthem. One wonders if they have ever met an MP. As this cohort ages and the inevitable splits and rows proliferate, the starry-eyed optimism is bound to look comical in retrospect.

But it is true that this way of labelling women feels like an interesting sea change, and it’s not just the absence of overt sexism. Having flatlined for two decades, “sisterhood” seems to be becoming a buzzword again more generally, turning up in other women’s magazines, album titles, and even non-satirically in the Daily Wire this week. Its presence is perhaps further proof of the PR boost that 10 years of transactivism — obsessively intent upon dismantling womanhood in favour of testicle-havers — has given to old-school feminist values.

Indeed, in recent months, a covert vibe shift towards specifically female concerns seems to be underway even in Stonewall strongholds, with The Guardian drawing attention to the scandalous numbers of women and girls in the UK murdered by men, building upon existing campaigns by radical feminists such as the Femicide Census. Elsewhere, Queen Camilla has taken up the cause of domestic violence and will be focusing on the issue in a new ITV documentary. And lesbians — named as such, rather than submerged in the rainbow soup as is their usual fate—- are also having a cultural moment, featuring heavily in fashion, films and music this summer. But welcome as these throwbacks to the Sixties and Seventies are, the concept of sisterhood should probably be left there: not just a bad fit for women MPs but for women everywhere, it seems.

Originally introduced as an aspirational metaphor of solidarity around which those fighting for the feminist cause could rally, and with the mantra “sisterhood is powerful” soon becoming popular, there were cracks in the oversimplified story from the start — as any woman who literally has, or is, a sister could have predicted. There were always disagreements about what this mantra meant. Was it a simple reminder of the alleged fact that all women had experiences of patriarchal oppression in common with one another? Or was it an exhortation to be specially caring and non-confrontational towards other women, in contrast to paradigmatically masculine behaviour, as commonly perceived? In practice, neither instruction made much sense.

Some “sisters” seemed distinctly more oppressed than others, and some barely seemed oppressed at all, yet the non-hierarchical metaphor made it hard to discuss that point without generating resentment and defensiveness. Perhaps that particular problem might have been resolved had all women in the feminist movement indeed been capable of being sisterly and well-disposed to one another: listening calmly and charitably to internal complaints, exerting self-control in response, and resolving conflict diplomatically. But quite a lot of them very definitely were not. Features of the “trashing” behaviour that came to wreck second-wave organisations were memorably recorded by Anselma dell’Olio and Jo Freeman in the Seventies: denouncements, character assassinations, purity spirals, success penalisation, ostentatious displays of high dudgeon, and all the rest of the familiar female arsenal were rife.  As Ti-Grace Atkinson put it, with suitable melodrama for a very melodramatic time: “Sisterhood is powerful: it kills sisters”.

Nothing has really changed in this respect. “The personal is political” goes the famous feminist saying, but it is also true vice versa. Wherever there is an attempt to build an activist movement for females, two factions which hate each other’s guts will be falling out under the guise of political difference. Each will be pretending they contribute nothing to the poisonous dynamic themselves, while anyone who points out the personal element will be huffily accused of sexist assumptions. As I write, a fresh bout of vicious hostilities has resumed in what feels like the Hundred Year Gender-Critical War; meanwhile even members of the Hegelian E-girl Council are at daggers drawn, apparently.

Though it’s tempting to echo Camille Paglia’s hypothesis that “women’s withering judgmentalism about other women may be subliminally sparked by a cruel, Darwinian imperative”, probably more relevant is the fact that the social imperative to treat 51% of the population as symbolic siblings is far too abstract an idea to be practical, and would be just as much of a stretch for men. At its root, the ideal of sisterhood requires that you treat yourself and other women impersonally, as morally interchangeable. Yet of course, in practice nobody can live this way — they can only pretend to. Or as Freeman put it: “The new values of the Movement said that every woman was a sister, every woman was acceptable. I clearly was not. Yet no one could admit that I was not acceptable without admitting that they were not being sisters. It was easier to deny the reality of my unacceptability.” In other words, enter gaslighting for days, stage left.

“The social imperative to treat 51% of the population as symbolic siblings is far too abstract an idea to be practical.”

The presumed value of impersonality is also implicit in the Vogue photoshoot, with the facial expressions of the Labour MPs deliberately composed so no one in particular stands out. In a strange irony, visual images of sisterhood such as this are close to much more blatantly objectifying ways of depicting women: catwalks with identically thin, blank-faced models evenly spaced along them; Robert Palmer’s fantastically glamorous backing guitarists in the Eighties; pornographic gangbangs involving multiple female participants; Blair’s babes, even. In each case, the women are supposed to be swappable with others — that’s the whole point of the representation.

Yet whether imposed by the male gaze or as a supposedly gynocentric political imperative, treating every woman as if she is just as important as any other woman, but certainly no more so, is impossible — at least, when that woman is you, or your friends, or indeed your enemies. In blood-related families, biological sisters tend to fight hard for differentiation from one other. Victorian literature was always dramatising these struggles, in works like Christina Rosetti’s Goblin Market or Charlotte Brontë’s Jane Eyre. There is no reason to think that things should be any different writ large.

Utilitarianism also has a version of the imperative to sisterhood — “every man to count for one, nobody for more than one” — and that didn’t go so well either. Christianity can only just about pull off something similar as a guiding ideal because it is backed with an elaborate spiritual metaphysics that both feminism and utilitarianism lack.

Whatever feminism turns out to be in the secular age, then, it can’t be about sisterhood on an industrial scale. It just doesn’t work, and it would be a relief all round if we could admit it. It’s probably enough to act only in the name of the group of women you really care about, and not worry about the others. Which is, I predict, exactly what the new intake of Labour women MPs will be doing once the cameras have stopped clicking.


Kathleen Stock is an UnHerd columnist and a co-director of The Lesbian Project.
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Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
2 months ago

A collective noun?

“Women in Labour”

Right-Wing Hippie
Right-Wing Hippie
2 months ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

“Labour-Experiencing Persons”.

Thomas K.
Thomas K.
2 months ago

That sounds like some kind of vague euphemism for an indentured slave.

Thomas Wagner
Thomas Wagner
2 months ago
Reply to  Thomas K.

That’s the beauty of euphemisms — they can be taken many different ways, so the listener can never tell exactly what the euphemizer means.

Right-Wing Hippie
Right-Wing Hippie
2 months ago
Reply to  Thomas K.

Pregnancy is indentured slavery! Aux armes, citoyennes!

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
2 months ago

Top form Mr Hippie, you’re on top form

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
2 months ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

A coven of Labourites?

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
2 months ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

A Booby?

A J
A J
2 months ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

A wokerie of Labour Women

David Morley
David Morley
2 months ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

Laborious Women?

David McKee
David McKee
2 months ago

I know it’s the silly season and all, but Dr. Stock has written a serious piece on how humans collaborate. So I’ll give a serious answer.

Yes, Christian organisations do operate on a principle of moral interchangeability. (I had to think about that one.) But it’s not due to “elaborate spiritual metaphysics”. It’s a recognition of the individual’s subordination to Christ. If we are the children of God, then it follows that we are brothers and sisters – so no one is morally superior to anyone else. Nothing elaborate about that.

Of course, you can always find examples of where it goes wrong. But if it generally went wrong, if everyone was putting on an act, churches and religious orders would collapse not long after they were started. As we can see, they don’t.

Can moral interchangeability and Western individualism coexist? I think they can, but that’s a debate for another day.

Matt Woodsmith
Matt Woodsmith
2 months ago
Reply to  David McKee

I actually think Professor Stock is right on this one – it IS fairly elaborate, that all souls are equal in the eyes of God. It’s just that the west is so imbued with the morals and legacy of Christianity that we take it for granted that this is a universal idea. It most assuredly is not.

Delta Chai
Delta Chai
2 months ago
Reply to  David McKee

Could you elaborate how it follows that “we are brothers and sisters – so no one is morally superior to anyone else”?

As KS argues, “In blood-related families, biological sisters tend to fight hard for differentiation from one other.” And the same is certainly true for many brothers.

David McKee
David McKee
2 months ago
Reply to  Delta Chai

I don’t have any sisters, so I am going to make a very tentative reply to this one. I think the fighting hard comes during childhood and adolescence. In childhood, it reflects the demand for parental attention. In adolescence, it is part and parcel of the development of the self: “Who am I?”
Is there the same fighting for differentiation when the sisters become adults? I suspect not.
In Christian theology, we are all sinners. All have fallen short, so all need (and get) God’s forgiveness. In that sense, we are all morally equal. Christ himself warned about anyone who thinks he’s entitled to give himself airs and graces (Luke 18:9-14).

General Store
General Store
2 months ago
Reply to  David McKee

Western individualism derives from the Imago Dei. But once the link between the sovereign individual of the liberal imaginary and God is broken, all hell breaks loose – ending with transgenderism and transhumanism. Christianity is a vision of liberation through constraint. We are never sovereign in this sense. We are free to be constrained by God, and as a proxy …constrained by our commitments to wives, husbands, parents, children, neighbours and (for the progressively more saintly) ever wide circles of mutual identification – city, nation….world. It’s a completely different anthropology. Feminism is a symptom and driver of the problem (as per comment below)

General Store
General Store
2 months ago
Reply to  General Store

Update: Unherd deleted my comment as too critical of Kathleen Stock I guess

Tony Taylor
Tony Taylor
2 months ago

A scold?

Mona Malnorowski
Mona Malnorowski
2 months ago
Reply to  Tony Taylor

A duplicity!

Seb Dakin
Seb Dakin
2 months ago

A hydra?

Thomas K.
Thomas K.
2 months ago

“And in other headlines that are so blatantly obvious it’s surprisingly that someone felt it needed to be pointed out…”

Jokes aside, I’m glad there are at least some feminists like Professor Stock with some actual sense. At this point I am becoming dangerously close to giving up on caring about the problems affecting 51% of the human species, largely because of how dismissive and condescending they often are about the issues facing the other 49%. Treat others how you would like to be treated after all, but I find it hard to live up to that standard sometimes, as I really don’t enjoy being so insufferably mean and antagonistic. Thanks to women like the good professor I still have hope we can bridge the ever-yawning chasm that’s opened up between the sexes over the past century. Not much hope, mind you, but some, and that’s not nothing.

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
2 months ago
Reply to  Thomas K.

Women and girls have always been far more viciously unforgiving towards each other than men are to each other – it is one of the many differentiating characteristics of the 2 sexes.

Point of Information
Point of Information
2 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Smith

“Women and girls have always been far more viciously unforgiving towards each other than men are to each other”

The output of UnHerd commenters would give the lie to that claim, unless many are women using male pseudonyms.

For the most glorious and erudite bitchiness, I refer you to the following:

Keats on Byron: “You see what it is to be six foot tall and a lord!”

Gore Vidal on Truman Capote: “My first impression—as I wasn’t wearing my glasses—was that it was a colourful ottoman. When I sat down on it, it squealed. It was Truman.”

Rushdie on Updike: “He should stay in his parochial neighbourhood and write about wife-swapping, because it’s what he can do.”

Rushdie vs Le Carré: “If he wants to win an argument, John le Carré could begin by learning to read. . . It’s true I did call him a pompous ass, which I thought pretty mild in the circumstances. ‘Ignorant’ and ‘semi-literate’ are dunces’ caps he has skillfully fitted on his own head. I wouldn’t dream of removing them.”

Amis on Eagleton: “an ideological relict, unable to get out of bed in the morning without the dual guidance of God and Karl Marx. More remarkably, he combines a cruising hostility with an almost neurotic indifference to truth; on the matter of checking his facts, he is, to be frank, an embarrassment to the academic profession.”

Gore Vidal after being hit by Norman Mailer: “As usual, words fail him.”

Point of Information
Point of Information
2 months ago

For balance, I should observe that female literary spats can also be splendid.

Margaret Drabble on her actual sister AS Byatt: “Sue always wanted to write, I didn’t want to. I just happened to write a novel when I was pregnant and had nothing to do.”

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
2 months ago

Or some of Virginia Woolf’s takes on Katherine Mansfield:
“She smells like a civet cat that’s taken to street walking.”
Miaow!

Fafa Fafa
Fafa Fafa
2 months ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

And a man-on woman version: Clement Freud calling Margaret Thatcher “Attila the Hen”.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 months ago

Ha!! The last quote—Vidal/Mailer—is priceless. Thanks for the belly laugh!

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
2 months ago

When boys and men fight, physically or verbally, the matter is often quickly forgotten. Men can hold grudges but they are nowhere near as good as women.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 months ago

In my opinion that is true!

shay fish
shay fish
2 months ago

Lovely examples of exceptions to the rule. There really isn’t any male version of “mean girls” and their penchant for character assassination.
The increasing presence of feminized men doesn’t change that fact and part of the reason that life and politics has become performative and to the left.

Michael Askew
Michael Askew
27 days ago

You havae to admit, they were all funny, which removes some of the sting.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
2 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Smith

Indeed. Women are okay one on one, but three or more and it quickly devolves into a “mean girl” pile on after a victim is chosen. And conversation is painfully dull and surface deep, because no one wants to stick her neck out to say anything that might cause upset. In the company of men, women are less apt to resort to their baser instincts.

Point of Information
Point of Information
2 months ago

Tastes vary:
“In the company of men, straight and bisexual women *are *apt to resort to resort to their baser instincts…”

Thomas K.
Thomas K.
2 months ago

You’re telling me if a group contains only gay women then they’ll all be innately inclined to tilt more towards paragons of rational enlightenment?

Maureen Newman
Maureen Newman
2 months ago

Maureen Newman
Give me men any day!

jane baker
jane baker
2 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Smith

True. I’m a b***h and love it.

jane baker
jane baker
2 months ago
Reply to  Thomas K.

I’ve always had a problem with that instruction to treat other people how you want to be treated as if I had done that I’d be in jail most of my life!.If the people you encounter in the normal course of life take an instant (and justifiable) dislike to you and immediately project abuse,hostility and even a suggestion of physical violence then is that a signal that is how they wish to be treated by you. By the logic of this rule it should be. But of course any sort of reaction by you.- well actually the chance of the police coming to arrest you is nil,since you could call 101and report a murder and the response would be,don’t worry,make yourself a nice cup of tea and watch Bargain Hunt. I’m mentioning this as I once queried just such a reaction and got the response “we’re going to get you locked up, we’re going to get the police to sort you out” but thats not happened as luckily I don’t treat other people how they seem to be telling me THEY want to be treated. Next time round can I come back as a cat? Or a squirrel?

Stuart Bennett
Stuart Bennett
2 months ago

One of the stats from Coddling of the American Mind that stuck with me was that 70% of the victims of online bullying are female and 70% of the online bullying is perpetrated by females. But its males (far right one, remember) that are the problem, always remember that…

A J
A J
2 months ago
Reply to  Stuart Bennett

I see far more bullying by men than women on X. Admittedly, some of those men think they’re women; maybe that skews the figures?

Stuart Bennett
Stuart Bennett
2 months ago
Reply to  A J

Yes I’m sure it varies between platforms. I personally think that social media is nothing more than the infantile squandering of human life and potential.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
2 months ago
Reply to  A J

Any man who bullies a woman shames us. Some dress up in women’s clothes to do this

jane baker
jane baker
2 months ago

Men actually only bully women they DONT fancy,so if you’re in an abusive relationship it means he DOESNT actually fancy you at all,even if you’ve got six kids off him, probably especially if you’ve got six kids off him,like with both Dickens and Tolstoy to cite historical precedent. Tiny little women who men fancy can face off the biggest bully with attitude and words (I’m not talking about war + massacre situations where rape is used to as a weapon),we all know couples where the dainty tiny woman is the boss of the man who adores her. Often they are equals and share a mutual soul.
There’s an old music hall song that goes “isn’t it a pity that the likes of her should put upon the likes of him”.

jane baker
jane baker
2 months ago
Reply to  A J

Why does anyone want to be on X.

Ryan Scarrow
Ryan Scarrow
2 months ago
Reply to  Stuart Bennett

Probably because males still make up 97% of those who commit physical and sexual assaults, but go off king

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
2 months ago
Reply to  Ryan Scarrow

What do the stats on physical violence have to do with the stats re: online bullying?

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
2 months ago
Reply to  Ryan Scarrow

I don’t argue with your stats, they sound right but those physical and sexual assaults are perpetrated by few of us. Moreover, men are more likely to be victims of physical assault.
We are imperfect beings and, unfortunately, some men’s imperfections result in violent harm to women. Please lock them up.
Women are as imperfect as us but their imperfections are more subtle.

Stuart Bennett
Stuart Bennett
2 months ago
Reply to  Ryan Scarrow

Last night we had paramedics at our house checking over my 15yr old stepdaughter who has learning difficulties because a group of all girls from her school had (not for the first time) chased her down the street and shoved her to the ground and bounced her head off a kerb. It’s a human weakness to try and dominate those you perceive as weaker and both sexes have it in them. We have moved her to another school next year to get her away from their persistent victimisation of her.

jane baker
jane baker
2 months ago
Reply to  Ryan Scarrow

You never met Pauline then.

Mona Malnorowski
Mona Malnorowski
2 months ago

Another enjoyable read from Kathleen, even though those of us who don’t consider ourselves feminists had sussed all this out a long time ago.

Still, using Labour MPs to make this point is a bit of a straw man fallacy. These women can be considered to be advocating for the rights of ‘sisters’ in general only on the same sense that the Yorkshire Ripper can be considered a Men’s Rights Activist.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
2 months ago

Yes, there has not been much celebration by the “feminist sisterhood” over the achievements of Britain’s first woman PM? Indeed the 51% has yet to elevate a “sister” to Labour leadership yet.

Kathleen Burnett
Kathleen Burnett
2 months ago

KS is always worth reading; as the philosopher with an academic grounding (which she is), rather than a social commentator who just charms at the dinner table with catchy little tidbits.
There is a way out of the polar choices presented by ideas like ‘sisterhood’ and ‘patriarchy’. Which is not to see women and men as rivals, but as equal and different.

MJ Reid
MJ Reid
2 months ago

The feminism I grew up with and still support never wanted to get rid of men, it simply wanted to level the playing field. Feminism has never been a homogenous representation of women. There have always been factions and division. After all, we are people and peoole do not fit into polarised boxes.

When fighting for equity, women need to remember not all women are mirror images of ourselves and that the most vulnerable women in society should be supported to have their voices heard. Just like the most vulnerable of men need a voice. When we get to the point when all the most vulnerable have their voices heard on the same platforms as the rest of us, maybe we will have a level playing field.

Dee Harris
Dee Harris
2 months ago
Reply to  MJ Reid

All “ism’s” breed factions and division. That’s what they’re for.

David Morley
David Morley
2 months ago
Reply to  MJ Reid

When we get to the point when all the most vulnerable have their voices heard on the same platforms as the rest of us, maybe we will have a level playing field.

We’ll have intense competition you mean!

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
2 months ago

For normal people, there is a way out. For activists, the way out is anathema for it eliminates their entire reason for being. Their goal is not finding a way out, but sealing off all potential avenues of escape to perpetuate the reality or appearance of the problem. And this applies to ALL activists, no matter the cause.

David B
David B
2 months ago

“Sisterhood” creates a class out of a category.

Graham Cunningham
Graham Cunningham
2 months ago

A Virtuehood?

Malcolm Knott
Malcolm Knott
2 months ago

I assume Vogue chose the good-lookers for its piece or at least (since there aren’t many good-lookers in UK politics) a selection of those who were a slight improvement on the late Bessie Braddock. I can just about understand why they write pieces like this, even though 99% of their ‘readers’ only look at the pictures. What I can’t believe is why any sentient human being would want to read the stuff; apart from you, Kathleen, and you’re paid to do it.
Did they kit them out with designer clothes, like the leather trews somebody inserted Theresa May into when she sat for American Vogue?
I do hope all the Labour women who weren’t selected for the photoshoot are consumed with envy and ill-feeling towards those who were. I like to see dissension in the enemy’s ranks.

Mike Rees
Mike Rees
2 months ago

A collective noun for female Labour politicians? A nag!
Thank God the “brotherhood” never took off, despite desperate lefties trying, having died, literally, at the off with Cain and Abel.

Graham Cunningham
Graham Cunningham
2 months ago

Some women Labour MPs standing in defiant sisterhood with women hiding in some Afghan hovel would have made a great Vogue photoshoot. Or……maybe with a few of the Bangladeshi women survivors of mass rape, living out the rest of their lives branded as birangonas – outcast and despised by their ‘sisters’. https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/life-in-the-shadows-of-metoo

2 plus 2 equals 4
2 plus 2 equals 4
2 months ago

In a strange irony, visual images of sisterhood such as this are close to much more blatantly objectifying ways of depicting women: catwalks with identically thin, blank-faced models evenly spaced along them

I’ve never really understood what objectification of women in high fashion has to do with men and the “male gaze”, certainly not heterosexual men and our gaze.
The average straight man would much rather direct their gaze towards a buxom Page 3 girl with a big smile than a sour-faced near-anorexic in a stupid hat.
High fashion is much more to do with women and gay men. Leave us out of it please.

Dee Harris
Dee Harris
2 months ago

I’ve thought exactly that for a long time.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 months ago

I, and every woman I’ve ever known, have no interest in high fashion. It’s ridiculous, and I’ve never seen a celebrity wearing those outfits either. I like t-shirts and jeans, or better yet, sweat pants.

Obadiah B Long
Obadiah B Long
2 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Right, but I’m not sure we must go THAT far.

jane baker
jane baker
2 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

And everyone in Paris is in trainers,old trousis+ a hoodie just like everyone at home so that city full of fashionistas is only in the movies. In fact it is the TOURISTS who are the smart,well dressed ones.

Matt Sylvestre
Matt Sylvestre
2 months ago

Yes! This! In fact it belies a tendency in some circles to reflexively and thoughtlessly blame “men” for anything and everything (and by “men”, “they” mean, you know, men…)

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
2 months ago
Reply to  Matt Sylvestre

By men they mean somebody else who deserves a good thrashing.

Dave R
Dave R
2 months ago

“Average straight man___HIS gaze” clearly. Why the default woke plural?

John Riordan
John Riordan
2 months ago

Whenever I read this sort of thing, I almost feel sorry for women. I say “almost” because although what they’re going through is exhausting and soul-destroying, it is so obviously something they do to themselves, or at least to each other.

Looking in from the outside as a man, I’m mystified as to why they think it’s a worthwhile use of their time, and astonished that, as implied by the distinction inherent to the word feminism, that any of it is something men should take any responsibility for.

Ralph Hanke
Ralph Hanke
2 months ago

“testicle havers”
That made my weekend right there. Thank you Unherd and Dr. Stock!

Point of Information
Point of Information
2 months ago

“ostentatious displays of high dudgeon” were also a feature of male spats in the 20th century, particularly among novelists and historians, and they were enormous fun, the more high-falutin the better!

Unherd’s own Terry Eagleton vs Martin Amis was a recent instalment.
https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/antic-english

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 months ago

Like the “progressives” who are in reality the modern reactionaries

William Shaw
William Shaw
2 months ago

What a pity. I always rather liked the idea of the sisterhood ganging up on men. Makes it so much easier to know who the enemy is.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
2 months ago

“Whatever feminism turns out to be in the secular age, then, it can’t be about sisterhood on an industrial scale.”

Feminism, like anti-racism and other ways of tackling unfairness, are only of any value when help an individual person who has been treated unfairly because of their sex (or race or whatever). It’s the same reason that I’m in a union. I want them to stand up for me when I’m in trouble. I don’t care about the bigger picture.

I may well be a selfish individual who cares too little for a community but, I suggest, there is more too it. I do not trust large movements or organisations. I fear that they are inevitably taken over by those with their own interests.

In short, I do not trust the “sisterhood” and, though I’ve never been invited, have no interest in joining the patriarchy.

jane baker
jane baker
2 months ago

Women (and Men) with darker skin tone and an ancestral origin in other cultures and continents lack the self damaging mindset of 2K years of embedded Christian ascetic aspiration ideals,even if those ideas are ignored and not followed. The guilt is there. If it’s not it means,ha ha,you’re a BAD PERSON. So what I am openly and of course racistly saying,but it’s true,is that if a job opportunity becomes available it will go to a friend,or son or daughter of friend,be that washing up in the restaurant or researching in the House of Commons library. But then everyone of all skin tones does that. TV + Radio is rife with that sort of nepotism for the practical reason that everything is made by independent production companies now with a tiny core staff. If a topical docu has to be delivered in a weeks time you don’t have time to see lots of bozos who are only there to qualify for their UC. You call X,Y +X and maybe your nephew or niece just finished Uni,and your dinner party pal has put out his kid needs a job etc.
Where I live I often encounter Muslim ladies in their gowns. I am often gardening in old clothes. The Muslim lady definitely does NOT want pats on the head from me,or my acceptance,or approval. I suspect an offer of literacy classes from me would be politely declined. The Muslim lady has discreet gold,silver and gems on her person. Her black robe is shot through with sparkles. She has an iPhone of the costalot kind. I’m in scraggy jeans and top – because I’m gardening. I don’t feel much sense of White Privilege. And I’m not talking about envy or jealousy. I have nice things too. I’m saying that to see ME as the mark of aspiration for HER,d’you need a literacy class love?,is actually patronising and very White Saviour
We need to move on but also accept that it’s a culture that believes in getting on,looking after your own,and has no inbuilt ancestral guilt at being affluent. Good for them.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 months ago

I have to say I prefer Germain Greer’s version of feminism than what replaced it.

jane baker
jane baker
2 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

And that was dreadful.

Alex Carnegie
Alex Carnegie
2 months ago

The description of 1980s feminism – “the “trashing” behaviour that came to wreck second-wave organisations were memorably recorded by Anselma dell’Olio and Jo Freeman in the Seventies: denouncements, character assassinations, purity spirals, success penalisation, ostentatious displays of high dudgeon, and all the rest of the familiar female arsenal were rife” – seems to parallel many of the excesses of more recent progressivism. I wish Kathleen would write a piece exploring the links.

Matt Sylvestre
Matt Sylvestre
2 months ago

Trenchant.

General Store
General Store
2 months ago

So the ‘sisterhood’ is a lie? Who knew? So is the patriarchy. So is the social construction of gender and the denial of sex. What exactly is true good or beautiful in feminism? Most of the new ‘sisterhood’ voted labour, including KS – which is to say, for the party most committed to transing women out of existence.
And this: “a covert vibe shift towards specifically female concerns ….drawing attention to the scandalous numbers of women and girls in the UK murdered by men, building upon existing campaigns by radical feminists such as the Femicide Census” -……
…. is just laughable because almost without exception they refuse even to acknowledge the single larges driver of increasing rape and murder which is mass migration and the influx of young men from Islamic countries where contempt for non-Muslim women with Western values is literally murderous. Instead they stick to the brave generalities of ‘the patriarchy’ and ‘male violence’.
‘Mass migration is making women less safe’ said Alex Phillips on Triggernometry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFnHPp19hp4&list=PLLcayDZ_ypeD9DxEL-zZnPRLuaZg-YQGL&index=3&t=1481s How about some of the sisters acknowledge and write about that? KS was brave on the transgender issue and women’s rights….but only because they came for her and gave her no choice. She doesn’t really want to be outside the progressive camp. She doesn’t acknowledge the enormous role that feminism had in creating the trans revolution. She voted LABOUR FFS.
Kathleen, like all the other sisters, (if public and on-the-record concern is anything to go by) seems to have complete disdain for the 1000 women raped at a Cologne music festival, or the orders of magnitude increase in Swedish women raped in the wake of the 2015 migration….or the 4000+ or so working class girls raped by largely Muslim gangs in Northern England and the Midlands. Labour politicians (honurable exception of Betty Boothroyde), Labour local councils, Labour police boards, Labour quangos and Labour-dominated charities conspired to ignore this issue, to suppress the information and cast any investigation as ‘racist’ – but Kathleen votes Labour.
Feminism, it turns out, is a pernicious luxury belief for voluntarily childless feminists in posh universities who don’t have to worry about their teenage daughters, who not so secretly despise motherhood and family. The ‘sisterhood’ is the problem because it is the wrong unit of analysis, stemming from a wrong-headed anthropology — i.e. a Cartesian/Rousseauian Enlightenment conception of isolated sovereign individuals – in this case ‘women’ who band together as a result of rational choices and rationally conceived common interests. Kathleen’s problem is that once you see people as deracinated individuals in this way, they DO become unsexed. Mix in the gnostic/promethean/humanist insistence that humans are in charge of their own fate and can do what they like without reference to natural law – then of course men can become women.
People are not born and don’t exist in artificial, rationally chosen solidarity groups such as ‘the sisterhood’. We are from the get go ‘dependent rational animals’. We are born of women, into families and extended families, in place-bound communities. Not ‘man’ nor ‘woman’ and definitely not ‘women’ – but family and community is the correct starting point. But this would undermine KS’s entire professional and personal shtick. So she votes Labour. She would rather grapple in perpetuity with the warped monstrosity of trans-politics and remain inside the progressive fold, than move towards some version of post-liberalism or social conservatism that is at least grounded in a true anthropology. Good luck with that. It’s a dead-end.
Time to have lots of children and homeschool.

Theresa Guirato
Theresa Guirato
2 months ago

I love KS, but surely the point of this article could have been said better with fewer – and simpler – words.

Bird
Bird
2 months ago

Its always been a lie in all fascits of female life.