Comment completely irrelevant to the article.
But you are at least consistent in always being completely irrelevant (to use your own words).
Martin M
4 months ago
Nah, the Tories will be back. They are the natural party of government in Britain. Reform consists of Farage and a bunch of nonentities, and the Lib Dems are just a bunch of nonentities.
There is no doubt that the Tories have been the most successful political party in this country’s history but it is complacency, as per your comment, that has led to their decline.
I look forward to seeing in which direction their next leader takes them but, equally, I also look forward to seeing how many Tory MPs will put the country and party ahead of their own desires.
j watson
4 months ago
Unless someone has forgotten already the next GE in UK isn’t until 2029. Reform are going nowhere beyond a bit of ‘protest’ conveyance. They stoke and fan division and offer nothing practical. And to cheer them up even more – our demographics are changing and will have changed even more by 2029.
Any projection for 2029 at this point isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. But the next election may come earlier.
Talking of “stoking and fanning division”, don’t you occasionally stop and wonder whether the “two tier” stuff (I call it “selective justice”) also has that effect ?
How is the Reform “protest conveyance” really any different from the Lib Dem role as a vessel for protest voting ? I saw a chart mapping voter views by party on a range of issues yesterday and the Lib Dem markers were almost superimposed on the Labour ones – which does tend to support the perception that the Lib Dems are largely a protest vote party.
This demographics argument – “your voters are all dying off” – is demonstrably specious. People’s attitudes change as they get older. And this neglects drifts in opinion – like increased support from young men for Reform at the last election.
If forced to make a prediction, I’d say this:
The Tories has bottomed and will slowly recover. Pretty slowly.
Reform will pick up some disaffected Labour voters.
Labour will suffer from fragmentation of the left to the Greens and Lib Dems.
Who knows what will happen with these new “inner city independents” ?
There must be some chance that the next election ends up with a messy no overall majority given the increasing party fragmentation.
Just on the two-tier stuff PB – I just don’t. buy it in the form intended. It’s twaddle.
Our Policing and Justice system has been two-tier penalising some minorities far more for decades. Let’s have some honesty about this if you want to be taken seriously.
Lobbing bricks at Police and firebombing not happened on any Pro- Palestinian demo either although some views conveyed I strongly disagree with.
Hold on ! So you do “buy the two tier stuff” then ! You just claim it’s the other way round from some of us.
Surely you must realise that when so-called “Equalities Acts” create “protected characteristics” for certain minority groups, that guarantees a two tier legal and justic system ? How could that not be the case ?
Not sure what your point about demo violence was about. Seems irrelevant to my comments.
Come on PB you can look it up just as much as I can. The Govt’s own figures and report shows greatest disparity appears at the point of stop and search, custodial remands and prison population. And it’s not the white population showing the disparity is it. The Equalities Act made v little difference to that in last 14yrs. You dropped onto that because you wanted to deflect from the differences evident in the criminal justice system.
I have no idea what you’re on about … I never mentioned this stuff about stop and search.
But since you raised it, let’s think about this for a moment. There are 2 ways you can implement stop and search (I’m not saying I agree with the policy, never given it that much thought). Either you implement a random policy. Or you attempt to target it to increase the likelihood of catching criminals (there’s certainly plenty of data to help identify higher risk individuals). Which one is the best use of limited police resources and least disruptive ? Which one is likely to catch more criminals ?
As for prison population. If certain groups are more likely to commit crimes, it’s entirely expected that they are a higher proportion of the prison population compared to the national averages. How could it be any different ? To make it not so would require active interference in the justice system. In other words, two tier justice.
You seem to be arguing against yourself on this one …
Firstly PB you brought up ‘two-tier’ and what I did is concur the system can appear v two tier if you look it more broadly but not perhaps in the direction you were coming from.
On SaS – I agree it’s a tool Police should have. But you ever been stopped and searched just doing your normal business because you have different skin pigmentation? It happens much more to others than us than we like to think and it’s based on racial profiling conscious and sub-conscious. I’m all for them doing it, more in fact, but more evenly. There is no evidence the proportionality of crime supports the proportionality of SaS.
As regards prison – let’s start with remand – why for the same alleged crime are the figures so different for different ethnic groups? (You Gov stats). That trend ripples through the rest. It’s not that these criminals shouldn’t face the consequences, it’s just that if you are White you’ve a chance your outcome likely to be a bit different from the more diverse chap next to you.
Dee Harris
4 months ago
Yes. Vote Reform.
D Glover
4 months ago
Why did the editor choose that photo of Farage from the hundreds of stock images available? Was that meant to be a hit job? Feeble effort.
Tyler Durden
4 months ago
No, to Reform. They are narcissists who are propping up the Authoritarian Left.
And I knew they weren’t serious when they failed to propose privatising the NHS in their manifesto (the only way to stop mass immigration).
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‘Nuff said. Ignore.
Who cares which set of swivel eyed loons are ranting about immigrants and trans people? Completely irrelevant – although pretty funny to watch!
Six months off UnHerd but Mr Swivel-Eye is still around. Nice to be home. What was the subject – I’ve forgotten.
CS was also away for a while, probably on holiday. Clacton-on-Sea, was it, CS?
Comment completely irrelevant to the article.
But you are at least consistent in always being completely irrelevant (to use your own words).
Nah, the Tories will be back. They are the natural party of government in Britain. Reform consists of Farage and a bunch of nonentities, and the Lib Dems are just a bunch of nonentities.
There is no doubt that the Tories have been the most successful political party in this country’s history but it is complacency, as per your comment, that has led to their decline.
I look forward to seeing in which direction their next leader takes them but, equally, I also look forward to seeing how many Tory MPs will put the country and party ahead of their own desires.
Unless someone has forgotten already the next GE in UK isn’t until 2029. Reform are going nowhere beyond a bit of ‘protest’ conveyance. They stoke and fan division and offer nothing practical. And to cheer them up even more – our demographics are changing and will have changed even more by 2029.
Any projection for 2029 at this point isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. But the next election may come earlier.
Talking of “stoking and fanning division”, don’t you occasionally stop and wonder whether the “two tier” stuff (I call it “selective justice”) also has that effect ?
How is the Reform “protest conveyance” really any different from the Lib Dem role as a vessel for protest voting ? I saw a chart mapping voter views by party on a range of issues yesterday and the Lib Dem markers were almost superimposed on the Labour ones – which does tend to support the perception that the Lib Dems are largely a protest vote party.
This demographics argument – “your voters are all dying off” – is demonstrably specious. People’s attitudes change as they get older. And this neglects drifts in opinion – like increased support from young men for Reform at the last election.
If forced to make a prediction, I’d say this:
The Tories has bottomed and will slowly recover. Pretty slowly.
Reform will pick up some disaffected Labour voters.
Labour will suffer from fragmentation of the left to the Greens and Lib Dems.
Who knows what will happen with these new “inner city independents” ?
There must be some chance that the next election ends up with a messy no overall majority given the increasing party fragmentation.
Just on the two-tier stuff PB – I just don’t. buy it in the form intended. It’s twaddle.
Our Policing and Justice system has been two-tier penalising some minorities far more for decades. Let’s have some honesty about this if you want to be taken seriously.
Lobbing bricks at Police and firebombing not happened on any Pro- Palestinian demo either although some views conveyed I strongly disagree with.
Hold on ! So you do “buy the two tier stuff” then ! You just claim it’s the other way round from some of us.
Surely you must realise that when so-called “Equalities Acts” create “protected characteristics” for certain minority groups, that guarantees a two tier legal and justic system ? How could that not be the case ?
Not sure what your point about demo violence was about. Seems irrelevant to my comments.
Come on PB you can look it up just as much as I can. The Govt’s own figures and report shows greatest disparity appears at the point of stop and search, custodial remands and prison population. And it’s not the white population showing the disparity is it. The Equalities Act made v little difference to that in last 14yrs. You dropped onto that because you wanted to deflect from the differences evident in the criminal justice system.
I have no idea what you’re on about … I never mentioned this stuff about stop and search.
But since you raised it, let’s think about this for a moment. There are 2 ways you can implement stop and search (I’m not saying I agree with the policy, never given it that much thought). Either you implement a random policy. Or you attempt to target it to increase the likelihood of catching criminals (there’s certainly plenty of data to help identify higher risk individuals). Which one is the best use of limited police resources and least disruptive ? Which one is likely to catch more criminals ?
As for prison population. If certain groups are more likely to commit crimes, it’s entirely expected that they are a higher proportion of the prison population compared to the national averages. How could it be any different ? To make it not so would require active interference in the justice system. In other words, two tier justice.
You seem to be arguing against yourself on this one …
Firstly PB you brought up ‘two-tier’ and what I did is concur the system can appear v two tier if you look it more broadly but not perhaps in the direction you were coming from.
On SaS – I agree it’s a tool Police should have. But you ever been stopped and searched just doing your normal business because you have different skin pigmentation? It happens much more to others than us than we like to think and it’s based on racial profiling conscious and sub-conscious. I’m all for them doing it, more in fact, but more evenly. There is no evidence the proportionality of crime supports the proportionality of SaS.
As regards prison – let’s start with remand – why for the same alleged crime are the figures so different for different ethnic groups? (You Gov stats). That trend ripples through the rest. It’s not that these criminals shouldn’t face the consequences, it’s just that if you are White you’ve a chance your outcome likely to be a bit different from the more diverse chap next to you.
Yes. Vote Reform.
Why did the editor choose that photo of Farage from the hundreds of stock images available? Was that meant to be a hit job? Feeble effort.
No, to Reform. They are narcissists who are propping up the Authoritarian Left.
And I knew they weren’t serious when they failed to propose privatising the NHS in their manifesto (the only way to stop mass immigration).