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Do John Cleese’s critics understand comedy? The Python has always been an anarchist rather than a liberal, like the artform itself

John Cleese is not known for his commitment to orthodoxy. Credit: Danny E. Martindale/Getty Images

John Cleese is not known for his commitment to orthodoxy. Credit: Danny E. Martindale/Getty Images


December 2, 2020   4 mins

You have to wonder whether the people who are mad at John Cleese are actually aware of who John Cleese is. It started, as these things apparently must, with J. K. Rowling. In September, Cleese signed an open letter protesting the death threats she was getting. In November, he replied to some tweets written in the typically measured and cool tone of trans activism. They accused him of “standing in solidarity with transphobia and discrimination,” or demanded: “Why the fuck can’t you just let people be who they want to be?”

“Deep down, I want to be a Cambodian police woman,” responded Cleese, apparently facetiously (although how anyone could be sure he was facetious when we’re all supposed to be the expert on our own identity is beyond me), at which point numerous people started saying he was transphobic and lots of news sites started writing stories about how people were saying he was transphobic.

None of this is interesting, exactly. What’s interesting is the tone of wounded possessiveness that animated the reaction to Cleese. Not John Cleese, of all people! seemed to be the widespread implication, as though he had previously given everyone to believe that he was team “trans women are women and burn anyone who says otherwise”.

Presumably anyone experiencing this as a particular injury would be a fan of Cleese, but not enough of a fan that they’d seen his most famous work. Anyone who’s watched half an episode of Monty Python knows that it’s full of the kind of cross-dressing lols that would raise a stern eyebrow in a doctrinaire student union today. Python drag is funny, which is precisely why it cannot stand: it relies on the audience recognising a man in a dress as a man in a dress, rather than taking the dress as ultimate evidence the person wearing it is a woman.

And anyone who’s watched more than half an episode of Monty Python has probably seen Life of Brian, which means they’ve seen the “Loretta” scene, in which Eric Idle’s character Stan announces: “From now on, I want you all to call me Loretta. It’s my right as a man.” Cleese’s role here is to be the voice of incredulity: “I’m not oppressing you Stan, you haven’t got a womb!” Perhaps the Pythons were simply engaging in absurdity with no knowledge of the existence of trans people when they were making Brian in 1978; but given that the highly publicised Corbett v Corbett case involving April Ashley (a trans woman) took place in 1969, and Jan Morris published her transition memoir Conundrum in 1974, perhaps not.

This doesn’t make Cleese guilty of historical transphobia any more than supporting Rowling makes him guilty of it now, but it does put him at odds with the kind of respectful solemnity around gender identity that his disappointed admirers were expecting him to show. And this is really because they weren’t thinking of Cleese in terms of his actual work, but instead constructing the kind of figure they want him to be based on his place in the culture. Comedians are supposed to be liberals, whatever liberal means.

If there’s an “us” and a “them”, Cleese’s anarchic, authority-tweaking kind of comedy is supposed to belong to the “us” rather than the censorious, rule-enforcing “them”. If his opinions are experienced as betrayals, it’s because there’s an assumption that humour takes a position regarding power (and then, subsidiary to that, an assumption that the trans cause is the cause of the powerless against the powerful, even when it involves telling a victim of domestic violence to choke on a girldick, but we will gloss over that for now).

Cleese came up, pre-Python, as part of the 1960s satire boom that included Private Eye and David Frost. It’s a movement that has irrevocable associations with the rise of the counterculture and the demise of deference (the 1966 “I know my place” sketch from The Frost Report, which featured Cleese along with Ronnies Barker and Corbett, couldn’t have been a more explicit jab at the complacencies of the British class system). But a refusal to take the establishment seriously doesn’t necessarily imply anything at all about your own politics.

Maybe we think of comedy — and satire particularly — as inherently liberal because it’s bound up with the liberal cause of free speech. Life of Brian was picketed and preached against on release because of its blasphemy: in some places, it was banned (a screening in Torquay needed a special dispensation in 2008), and the Pythons were set at odds with authority figures of Christian conservatism such as Mary Whitehouse.

Or maybe it’s a product of the “punching up” theory of comedy, which holds that jokes should always take aim at the powerful. In a 2013 essay, the stand-up Stewart Lee argued that Right-wing comedy was practically impossible: “You can’t be a Right-wing clown without some character caveat, some vulnerability, some obvious flaw. You’re on the right. You’ve already won.”

There’s a truth in this, in that what’s funny often draws on the kind of exaggerated rhetoric that outrage can licence. Think of Cleese, this time as Basil Fawlty, finally losing his temper in a limb-flailing fury at some presumptuous customer: it’s funny because, as awful as Fawlty is, there’s an acknowledged justice to his rages.

But there’s a long way from there to the idea that comedy must therefore be an agent of change, and even further to the idea that the changes it advocates must be liberal ones. Private Eye was the home of campaigning Left-wing journalist Paul Foot, and also of Christopher Booker, who saw out his later career denying climate change and defending big tobacco at the Telegraph.

Comedy’s natural state, often, is conservatism — at least in sitcom, which resets each episode to a default condition (peak-era Simpsons is the perfect sitcom, because cartoon characters don’t change in any of the inconvenient ways that human actors do). And just because satire laughs at authority doesn’t mean it’s out for revolt: the riotous days of carnival, thought the literary critic Mikhail Bakhtin, allowed a populace to turn the world upside down for a limited time, so they could go back to the established order afterwards. Satire can do the same.

It’s nice to think that what’s funny aligns with your political beliefs, but it’s also naïve, and anyone who imagines that they get to tell John Cleese what to think forgets that he’s been through this once before with Mary Whitehouse, and won. She didn’t end up as an enemy of comedy because she was a Right-winger fronting up to Left-wingers, but because she was someone who took her faith so seriously that it was anguish for her to see others take it lightly. The people riled by Cleese’s tweeting might think they’re her opposite, but in their horror that someone might be cleaving to an apostate position, they’re really her inheritors.


Sarah Ditum is a columnist, critic and feature writer.

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Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

The writer quotes the tedious and unfunny Stewart Lee:

“You’re on the right. You’ve already won.”

But that is emphatically not the case, because the Left has won. This is why, for instance, the entire country and its economy is being sacrificed to ‘Save the NHS’. This is why small business (the kulaks) are relentlessly persecuted. This is why the currency is endlessly debased via the printing of money to prop up the state. This is why the education system and the BBC are free to indoctrinate children and students with left-wing ideology. This is why public sector workers are handed everything, while everything is taken from private sector workers. This is why we have uncontrolled immigration. This is why the most appalling crimes are barely punished. This is why BLM and XR protesters are allowed to riot while anti-lockdown protestors are arrested and fined.

The fact is that the Left has won, hands down. Thus to be properly funny these days you would have to make jokes about the Left. But this is not permitted. Humour is, essentially, dead.

Mike Boosh
Mike Boosh
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Exactly. “if you want to know who’s in charge, look at who you’re not allowed to laugh at”…

Miro Mitov
Miro Mitov
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

This is a tricky quotation. I have heard it used in a reference to Jews…

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
3 years ago
Reply to  Miro Mitov

Well it’s certainly misapplied to Jews who famously laugh at themselves. Jewish humour is known for it.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Englander

You are absolutely right. Most people don’t understand enough about Judaism to make a joke about it!

Adrian
Adrian
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Johnson

Thank goodness Mel Brookes did

Mud Hopper
Mud Hopper
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Englander

The ability to laugh at ourselves was also an attribute of the British at one time: sadly no longer.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Mud Hopper

Really, am I alone in being almost paralysed with mirth over the truly farcical way this Great Plague is destroying the country? I do hope not.

It should be a film “Carry on Corona” perhaps? (“Carry on Covid” lacks that classical ring somehow).
Sadly Sir Lancelot Pratt and the wonderful Hattie Jacques cannot be with us. Oh what joy if they were!

Gerry Quinn
Gerry Quinn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

Carry on Covid works fine for me. We need to do it! With a Kickstarter, and a tribute to Babs at the start.

Vilde Chaye
Vilde Chaye
3 years ago
Reply to  Mud Hopper

Indeed. my polish jewish immigrant parents (in Canada) thought the British ability to laugh at themselves was their finest attribute. At Expo 67 the British Pavilion was full of very funny self-deprecating references to the UK. It was one of THE highlights at Expo.

Simon Baggley
Simon Baggley
3 years ago
Reply to  Miro Mitov

Didn’t take long for someone to suggest that anyone with a difference of opinion to the leftie comedic cabal must be a racist

Charles Rense
Charles Rense
3 years ago
Reply to  Miro Mitov

Jews encourage people to laugh at them through their long tradition of excellent comedy. Just one of two reasons why theirs is THE BEST religion.

The other being that no Jew has ever knocked on my door trying to convince me to become Jewish. They don’t even want me to become Jewish! Who could ask for anything more from a religion?

Andrew Best
Andrew Best
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Never understood the adulation put on Stewart Lee, the 1 time I was forced to watch him he was very unfunny

Simon Baggley
Simon Baggley
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Best

He ticks all the BBC/C4 boxes – whatever they are

Pete Kreff
Pete Kreff
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Best

I don’t share Stewart Lee’s politics, but I find him funny. He has a fine sense of the absurd (e.g. his bit about Carphone Warehouse’s philosophy) and he’s a very skilful comedian.

Take a look on YouTube at his set in Scotland (the Edinburgh Rooms, or something like that) where a long spiel ends up with the punchline that Robert Bruce was gay (or William Wallace? I forget). But it’s very clever how he builds up the joke.

Adrian
Adrian
3 years ago
Reply to  Pete Kreff

Lee and Herring (and their mate Pete) were pretty good in the 90s

Pete Kreff
Pete Kreff
3 years ago
Reply to  Adrian

Were Lee and Herring a double act? Richard Herring can be amusing as well, so I might have a look on YouTube.

Adrian
Adrian
3 years ago
Reply to  Pete Kreff

Yeah they were. I think Herring had alcohol problems, and this split them up.

Arnold Grutt
Arnold Grutt
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

As the leftist Herbert Marcuse once opined ‘Humour is bourgeois’, which would have come a rather a surprise to my working-class family when I was growing up. What a dreary bore he sounds. Life as ‘revenge’. It never ends well.

Ian Perkins
Ian Perkins
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

“Thus to be properly funny these days you would have to make jokes about the Left. But this is not permitted.”
Really? PragerU, Breitbart, Ben Shapiro, The Telegraph et al. aren’t permitted to make fun of the left? They regularly attack what they see as the left, but very rarely with any attempt at humour.

Simon Baggley
Simon Baggley
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Perkins

We’re talking about mainstream humor – BBC, C4, etc

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Perkins

You cited a series of people with their own platforms, not random comedians. Are you serious? When JK Rowling is attacked over sayings that are true, comics get the message.

Caitlin McDonald
Caitlin McDonald
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Perkins

Those right wing people are NOT allowed to laugh at the left wing”but they do it anyway because they are cancel-proof.

katiepert1970
katiepert1970
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Where’s your evidence for XR rioting? Fighting hysteria with hysteria is noisy and malnourishing.

Bengt Dhover
Bengt Dhover
3 years ago

Compare and contrast with today’s “acceptable” comedians. It’s either so inoffensively neutered and bland you need to be on your 4th scotch to even chuckle, or it’s heckling of white men, preferably Trump. There’s only so many ways to belittle white men, but that’s all they’ve got. Everything else is strictly verboten. And listen to the audience laughing at those despicable white men. This is the sound of schoolyard bystanders laughing at someone being bullied, not people at ease having a good time.

“Thank god it’s not me! I better laugh demonstrably to show that I’m on the side of the bully! Look! Look! No need to turn your attention to me! HAHAHA!!”

Miro Mitov
Miro Mitov
3 years ago
Reply to  Bengt Dhover

it’s either so inoffensively neutered and bland you need to be on your
4th scotch to even chuckle, or it’s heckling of white men, preferably
Trump

Very frequently it is both.

It is a sad affair that sharp and biting comedy is nowadays a thing of the past. What is left is unfunny attempts at humor on safe topics, such as white people, Christianity, British Empire and Trump. Islam, the Left, minorities, LGBT- don’t even dare think about making a joke about those. Cancellation, deplatforming, sometimes even physical threat is in store for the offender.

I remember an episode of ‘Have I got news for you’, where a picture was shown of a goat, with one of the colourful patches on its skin reportedly spelling the word ‘Allah’. After a brief silence the panelist Paul Merton joked: ‘Anyone want to make a joke?’
This is where we are now- in a situation where we are joking about not being able to joke.

Simon Baggley
Simon Baggley
3 years ago
Reply to  Bengt Dhover

For a while it was Brexit – funny how they never have a pop at Islam though , but Christians are fair game

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Simon Baggley

They don’t want their heads chopped off! Pansies!

Charles Rense
Charles Rense
3 years ago
Reply to  Bengt Dhover

Compare and contrast how bland and unfunny the Onion has become, and how actually funny the Babylon Bee is. They should be embarrassed that a conservative Christian site is eating their lunch.

Laura Creighton
Laura Creighton
3 years ago

If there’s an “us” and a “them”, Cleese’s anarchic, authority-tweaking
kind of comedy is supposed to belong to the “us” rather than the
censorious, rule-enforcing “them”.

What the left apparently never noticed is that they have become the authority that needs tweaking, the ones with the power and not the disenfranchised.

Alex Mitchell
Alex Mitchell
3 years ago

Of course the key line from the Loretta scene is “symbolic of his struggle against reality”. Sums up modern Western activism where we have to police made up micro aggressions because, for the most part, there aren’t any full size ones left.

Daniel Björkman
Daniel Björkman
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Mitchell

Oh, there are plenty of full-size aggressions left. It’s just that the people who are guilty of those are big, tough assholes who don’t care what you think of them and therefore don’t care how much you nag. It’s much easier to go after people who genuinely want to be nice, because they’re the ones who you can hurt with mere words.

Andrew Best
Andrew Best
3 years ago

Remember when you could laugh at some comedy to relieve yourself from the stress of life?
Not any more bigot.
What a wonderful world that has been created in this new millennium, so much for it being a bright new dawn in human history.
I have never seen such a divided nation in my life, all down to the most vocal, ,narcissistic generation who seem to believe they are morally right about everything and everyone else is pure unadulterated evil.
What a wonderful world you have created

thank you

Mike Boosh
Mike Boosh
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Best

To be fair, the young have always believed they are morally right about everything… I know I used to. The difference is, they used to write this in student newspapers that nobody read. Now they do it on twitter, and it gets read by world leaders who believe them.

Andrew Best
Andrew Best
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

Twitter is absolute rubbish.
What a massive waste of a humans time

Scott Carson
Scott Carson
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Best

Social media has a lot to answer for, but it’s possible to find the odd piece of comedy in it’s desolate wastelands. If you can’t laugh at the spectacle of two utterly irrelevant females like Rooney and Vardy clawing each others eyes out in the courts over a few posts on twitter or instagram as if they really believed that they matter, then I despair for you.

G Harris
G Harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

‘Twitter Tw@ttery’, I like to call it.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

I think I read this in a comment on another article earlier this week. Apologies to the author if they mind my copying it!

‘people who use twitter assume that twitter reflects the real world. It doesn’t. It reflects the prejudices and warped? thinking of people who use twitter.’

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

The difference is, they used to write this in student newspapers that nobody read.
Today, they work at the New York Times.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

And The Guardian.

Ralph Windsor
Ralph Windsor
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

And the BBC. And C4. And many publishing houses. And Common Purpose, of course, a woke superspreader.

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Best

Exactly how I feel. Thanks for expressing it so well.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Best

it’s a bit ironic really – a generation seething in anger with very little to be genuinely angry about. First world problems without the self awareness to realize it.

Charles Rense
Charles Rense
3 years ago

What saddens me is not the brilliant comics like Cleese who are standing up to the mob. What saddens me are comics who I also love who have buckled under to it.

Mike Boosh
Mike Boosh
3 years ago

That final paragraph sums up wokery perfectly : “someone who took her faith so seriously that it was anguish for her to see others take it lightly.”
At its heart, cancel culture is just po-faced obsessives furious that most people don’t care what they think, becoming more and more extreme in order to get a reaction from the general public.

Andrea X
Andrea X
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

I find the subsequent one even better:
“The people riled by Cleese’s tweeting might think they’re her (Mary Whitehouse’s) opposite, but in their horror that someone might be cleaving to an apostate position, they’re really her inheritors.”

Adrian
Adrian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

If you look at the whole anti-TERF, BLM and intersectionality movements they have one thing in common.
While demonising the patriarchy, their true aim is at undermining “The Matriarchy”. They are young women attacking middle aged women, because they want to take their place. And they are using the tools used by those middle aged women.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Adrian

An interesting comment; I’ll think about this! Thank you!

Adrian
Adrian
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Johnson

Cheers – that one kind of came to me today, it clicked. You read it here first.

Is it nonsense? I don’t know. Will the idea catch on? Who knows?
Glad it was interesting, thanks.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Adrian

While demonising the patriarchy, their true aim is at undermining “The Matriarchy”.
Yes. They represent an existential threat to womanhood itself. When being female is treated as a social construct rather than biological reality, what does being a woman even mean? The idea that “only women have periods” is seen as radical in some quarters speaks less to honest debate and more to mental illness being normalized.

Scott Carson
Scott Carson
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

This view of it hadn’t occurred to me. Very salient point, and well put.

jmskennedy9
jmskennedy9
3 years ago

Jerry Seinfeld has quit comedy appearances at Universities. He says that the left has no sense of humor anymore. Cannot joke about anything, because there is only political correctness. Comedy is dead.

nobby1471
nobby1471
3 years ago

Lots of distressed souls on twitter have been lamenting the unbearable torture of being let down by one of the comic heroes of their youth. Considering peak Clease was 44 years ago lots of them took to comedy whilst pre embryonic which I admit is very impressive. I was unaware of the cause of this shared angst so thanks for clearing it up in this article Sarah. The trans debate is immensely tedious, but taking my lead from the article I’d like to state that I’ve always wanted to be a Japanese woman of a certain age who’d look fantastic in a kimono or should that be ‘wanted to be with’ one forgets oneself occasionally.

Linda Brown
Linda Brown
3 years ago
Reply to  nobby1471

You can’t wear a kimono, you’d be pilloried by the wokists for cultural appropriation

Mark Melvin
Mark Melvin
3 years ago
Reply to  Linda Brown

I rather liked Austin Powers’ top 10 list which had a night with Japanese triplets as I think number 4 or 5. First movie, early on.

Arnold Grutt
Arnold Grutt
3 years ago

“Christopher Booker, who saw out his later career denying climate change and defending big tobacco at theTelegraph.”

Of course his opponents, rather than engaging with his arguments, resort to the usual allegations of character flaws. He was a ‘nutter’, mentally deficient etc., motivated by class- hatred.

Dave Weeden
Dave Weeden
3 years ago
Reply to  Arnold Grutt

Sometimes you have to read the whole sentence to understand the author’s meaning.

Private Eye was the home of campaigning Left-wing journalist Paul Foot, and also of Christopher Booker, who saw out his later career denying climate change and defending big tobacco at the Telegraph.

This doesn’t make Ms Ditum an opponent, nor has she called him any of those things. She’s pointing out that Private Eye wasn’t party or left/right political.

bob alob
bob alob
3 years ago

“Maybe we think of comedy ” and satire particularly ” as inherently liberal because it’s bound up with the liberal cause of free speech.” is that true anymore?, is free speech a Liberal cause?.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

No, free speech is no longer a liberal cause. The so-called liberals are adamantly opposed to free speech.

Dave H
Dave H
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

Free speech is always a liberal cause.

It’s just that a lot of people labelled liberal these days are not. It’s also odd how that word is used so differently across the world – for instance in Australia the right-of-centre political block is the “Liberal-National Coalition”, so “Liberal” there is synonymous with conservatism.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

Free speech may be a liberal cause, but there are precious few actual liberals still walking around, least of all many of those who claim the mantle.

Pete Kreff
Pete Kreff
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

If you’re not defending free speech, you can’t call yourself liberal.

Linda Brown
Linda Brown
3 years ago
Reply to  Pete Kreff

But calling yourself a liberal does not necessarily mean you will defend free speech. The `Liberals’ of today are more likely to call for a widening and strengthening of `hate’ speech laws. It is no longer about threats of violence, it is about what the ‘complainant’ perceives (or feels) as hurt feelings. While demanding tolerance from others, the liberals show no tolerance for opposing points of view or opinions. It is no longer about facts, but about feelings and a hierarchy of victimhood.

Charles Rense
Charles Rense
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

Yes. The trouble is people who have no alliegence to liberal values are calling themselves liberal.

Vilde Chaye
Vilde Chaye
3 years ago
Reply to  Charles Rense

exactly right.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

You cannot reason with unreasonable people. Society, especially the west, has reached the point that the first two rungs (at least) on Maslow’s hierarchy can be taken for granted, the very embodiment of how we’re reduced to debating first-world problems. The best comedy is based on a measure of truth; things are funny because we can relate to them. I shudder to think how Don Rickles would have fared in this climate.

Frederik van Beek
Frederik van Beek
3 years ago

When the sense of humor has left winter is coming

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Of course they don’t understand comedy. Nor do they understand anything else.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

If you want to know who has power, see who you’re not allowed to criticize. This is a paraphrase of someone else’s quote, but it has a ring of truth.

aelf
aelf
3 years ago

You have to wonder whether the people who are mad at John Cleese are actually aware of who John Cleese is.

They don’t care. He’s just another famous or semi-famous person who they can browbeat until he is forced to repeat their cant.

Dan Steele
Dan Steele
3 years ago

Wrong question … do Cleese’s critics understand censorship? Yes.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean”neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – that’s all.”

Stephen Crossley
Stephen Crossley
3 years ago

Original thought in comedy ended with the death of Bill Hicks in 1994 from pancreatic cancer.

Legend.

Aaron Kevali
Aaron Kevali
3 years ago

So… Orange Man bad! LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Anyone hear about that white guy in a pub…? Yeah, turns out he thought mass immigration wasn’t awesome! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Yeah, a black man was discussing IQ with a tranvestite imam….
[CANCELLED]

James Moss
James Moss
3 years ago

Does John Cleese understand comedy? He hasn’t been funny for about 40 years.

Vilde Chaye
Vilde Chaye
3 years ago
Reply to  James Moss

I think he’s still pretty funny.

Dave Weeden
Dave Weeden
3 years ago
Reply to  Vilde Chaye

Me too.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  James Moss

And how many of the greatest sketches and TV shows of all time have you written and performed in?

James Moss
James Moss
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Probably as many as you although I haven’t made much of an effort to. I loved John Cleese’s pre-1980 output – was and remain a great fan of both Monty Python and Fawlty Towers. I have seen some of his later work – such as the “alimony” tour. Not funny.

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
3 years ago

With the sole exception of Life of Brian (imagine the chaos a Muslim version would cause), I have never found Python funny. There were a few good bits in Fawlty Towers (don’t mention the war), but for me Cleese’s best performance was in A Fish Called Wanda where he sensitively played a relatively (by Cleese standards) normal person.

I can’t really be bothered with the Trans debate because it is not a debate at all, just a bunch of woke infected nobodies screaming meaningless dogma. To the de-colonialists though I point them to “what have the Romans ever done for us?” from the beacon in the desert first mentioned.

Dan Poynton
Dan Poynton
3 years ago
Reply to  Adrian Smith

Adrian how can you not worship at the feet of the Minister of Silly Walks?!

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Dan Poynton

Next you will be trying to convince me the Knights that say nigh were somehow hilarious.

ericaconrick
ericaconrick
3 years ago

Comedy is a funny thing. In the early days of film, audiences flocked to see actors in blackface impersonate Black people. Now, it’s not so funny for most people, White or Black. In WWII, the Nazis put P.G. Wodehouse to work on the radio making people laugh in the service of the Third Reich, but the context of his comedy probably takes all the laughs out of it for most of us. And trans people? We’ve been the target of jokes throughout history and certainly throughout the history of mass media. Need evidence? Watch Disclosure, Laverne Cox’s documentary about all the gags about us. As recently as ten years ago it was considered all good fun for film characters to react with disgust upon seeing a trans person. I’m a big Monty Python fan, btw, and I agree that comedy necessarily pushes boundaries. Moreover, I don’t take umbrage at comedians poking fun at political correctness or pushing people’s buttons. It is hard to laugh, however, at statements like the one made recently by Mr. Cleese. Maybe it would have made an audience laugh 40 years ago, but that was then, this is now. Even in the 70s, if Mr. Cleese had looked closely, his audience would have included people like me, for whom some jokes missed the mark for reasons he probably would not have understood. Today, most people recognize that trans identity and the knee-jerk, sometimes violent, reaction it elicits from some people is a serious subject. Is that political correctness run amok, or just simple decency?

Dan Poynton
Dan Poynton
3 years ago
Reply to  ericaconrick

You are mistaken – for once Mr Cleese was not trying to be funny. He was being deadly serious. If trans-activism demands deadly seriousness from us all in accepting as truth the preposterous, it can only expect deadly serious rebuttals.

Alan Hawkes
Alan Hawkes
3 years ago

“they weren’t thinking of Cleese in terms of his actual work, but instead constructing the kind of figure they want him to be based on his place in the culture.”
So, a bit like the NHS, then.

Caitlin McDonald
Caitlin McDonald
3 years ago

Another great article by Sarah Ditum, but please, Sarah; differentiate free speech liberals from the (self-contradictorily named) left liberals. They are are opposites.

Peter KE
Peter KE
3 years ago

Good article. Let’s support Cleese and Rawlings and all other like minded people. The woke thugs should be dammed and removed from our society.

ericaconrick
ericaconrick
3 years ago

and to the author of this article: a man in a dress is a drag queen, a woman in a male body is a trans person. Is it really so difficult to learn the difference?

Dan Poynton
Dan Poynton
3 years ago
Reply to  ericaconrick

“Learn” the difference implies you are talking of science, and that we are school children under your authority. Unfortunately, a male body being a “woman” is not science. Most of us have the compassion to accept a sincere transwoman as being a “women” in most instances in society (certainly not all), but to then demand we repeat the biologically mind-bending mantra of “trans women are real women” is indeed worthy of a Monty Python scene.