Waking up on Saturday morning, Putin must have wished he’d kept catering in-house. Only the day before, the Ukraine war seemed to be proceeding relatively well for Russia, at least by the lowered expectations of this stage in the conflict. The Ukrainian counteroffensive had made little progress in its first three weeks trying to breach Russia’s well-prepared defensive lines, and US officials were already briefing not to expect much more. The war had slipped into a tempo favourable to Russia, playing to the great strength of authoritarian systems against democracies: the ability to outlast the fickle whims and short patience of electorates and the politicians catering to them.
But the brief and spectacular rebellion of Putin’s caterer-in-chief-turned-condottiero, Yevgeny Prigozhin, seemed to suddenly upturn this calculus, highlighting the fragilities inherent in authoritarian regimes. Putin’s attempt to render Russia coup-proof by establishing multiple, rival power structures had created a striking weakness at the heart of his system. The great irony in all this was that the entire purpose of Prigozhin’s Wagner Group mercenary company was to firewall the Russian home front from the human cost of Putin’s foreign adventures, thus ensuring the stability of the regime. By the time Prigozhin’s disaffected warrior band was approaching the gates of Moscow, merrily shooting down the helicopters sent to delay their advance, the disadvantages of this approach appeared to far outweigh the benefits.
Early Western hopes, or fears, that Prigozhin’s escapade heralded either a Kremlin coup or a civil war did not quite capture the essential nature of the events. As the political scientist and civil war theorist, Stathis Kalyvas, observed, “What is going on in Russia is no military coup. Coups tend to be launched at the center seeking to generate cascades of compliance. This is an armed rebellion launched from a peripheral stronghold”, so that it is “hard to see how it could succeed short of mass defections in the Russian military”. But equally, “this is no simple mutiny either as those tend to be local and without broader political aims”. As the political scientist Seva Gunitsky observed on Twitter, “the closer parallel is not the [1991] coup but the Russian peasant rebellions of Razin and Pugachev. The latter especially — a disaffected officer unhappy with the prosecution of a war.”
Other comparisons, from war-torn and overstretched empires, could be made. The Albanian mercenary commander, Muhammad Ali Pasha, had an ability to outcompete Western rivals and reconquer restive provinces which made him indispensable to the Ottoman empire; Prigozhin has been similarly lavishly rewarded with lucrative monopolies. Prigozhin, just like Muhammad Ali, also used his independent power base to make a strike for the imperial capital, before turning back: and Prigozhin’s dramatic weekend adventure will similarly remain one of the great what-might-have-beens of history. If Putin’s reliance on deniable and expendable mercenary companies is a product of the postmodern way of war, then it had a curiously premodern outcome.
Prigozhin’s rebellion may have been brief, but its roots were longstanding. For months, the Wagner leader had utilised his newfound celebrity status to fiercely criticise the Russian Ministry of Defence’s lacklustre prosecution of the war. Accusing his main rivals, Russia’s Defence Minister “the Tuvan degenerate”, Sergei Shoigu, and Chief of General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, of poor leadership, cowardice, corruption and betrayal, Prigozhin had claimed that the Russian Ministry of Defence had deliberately starved Wagner of ammunition, emerging as one of Russia’s fiercest nationalist critics of the “fat cats in Moscow” in a surprisingly crowded field.
But the Wagner-led capture of Bakhmut, after a gruelling year-long campaign, seemed, until this weekend, to mark the apotheosis of Prigozhin’s career. Now it had achieved its purpose, at horrific cost, Wagner seemed set to be either redeployed to its lucrative African area of operations or neutered as an independent power structure. But as Wagner forces pulled out from their positions earlier this month, they fought clashes with Russian regulars they claimed had fired on them, capturing a senior officer. The tensions Putin had permitted to escalate within his war cabinet — whether as intentional policy or sheer incompetence must remain a matter of speculation — now looked to be spiralling out of control.
When the Russian Ministry of Defence published a decree two weeks ago that volunteer militias — like many official Russian statements, it did not mention Wagner by name — would soon come under its direct control, Prigozhin reacted with fury, refusing to come under Shoigu’s command, and again highlighting the incompetence of his new notional superior. In a half-hour Telegram video of unprecedented contempt last Friday, Prigozhin faced the camera with a mug of tea, calmly explaining to his audience — including Putin — that the war was launched under false pretences, purely to enrich oligarchs and boost Shoigu’s career, and that Putin had been catastrophically misled by his own military leadership.
Then came the purported shelling by the Russian army of Wagner’s positions behind the line in eastern Ukraine, where its mercenaries had been resting after the bloody and exhausting battle for Bakhmut. “Many of our guys died,” Prigozhin thundered on Telegram, “We will make a decision on how to respond to this evil. The next move is ours.”
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SubscribeGood article IMHO. Appreciate the authors work.
Bizarre sequence of events anyway you try to slice it.
I think we should all admit we haven’t a clue what is going on.
Here is something….What if Putin is playing the West? The thing is, Wagner is now in Belarus. That’s a large, super experienced military force that’s now potentially being stationed 150 kilometers from Kyiv. If this NATO meeting on the 11th of July is about escalation…. I’m just sayin’.
1) Wagner could have been moved to Belarus without taking Rostov, without marching on Moscow and without shooting down several valuable helicopters and an electronic intelligence plane, killing around eleven servicemen; 2) It’s not at all clear that Wagner is going to Belarus, only that Prigozhin is supposed to be going there.
True… although, are you sure helicopters being shot down is true? Also, did anyone die? What’s true?
True… although, are you sure helicopters being shot down is true? Also, did anyone die? What’s true?
..my thoughts precisely.. with Ukraine keen to exploit the vacuum created in the Donbas, all eyes off Kyev.
Or it might be to lure Ukrainians into the void, ie a trap? Certainly it gives Putin’s generals more options and forces Ukraine to spread its much depleted forces more thinly. Wheels within wheels..
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…
Back on Planet Earth, Vagner remains off the front lines. Even if significant numbers move to Belarus, well, if the Russia’s best trained armoured forces couldn’t break through in the north, it’s doubtful that guys trained to fight third world fighters will do any better.
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…
Back on Planet Earth, Vagner remains off the front lines. Even if significant numbers move to Belarus, well, if the Russia’s best trained armoured forces couldn’t break through in the north, it’s doubtful that guys trained to fight third world fighters will do any better.
1) Wagner could have been moved to Belarus without taking Rostov, without marching on Moscow and without shooting down several valuable helicopters and an electronic intelligence plane, killing around eleven servicemen; 2) It’s not at all clear that Wagner is going to Belarus, only that Prigozhin is supposed to be going there.
..my thoughts precisely.. with Ukraine keen to exploit the vacuum created in the Donbas, all eyes off Kyev.
Or it might be to lure Ukrainians into the void, ie a trap? Certainly it gives Putin’s generals more options and forces Ukraine to spread its much depleted forces more thinly. Wheels within wheels..
Happy to admit it but others commenting seem to know better. For the last 60 hours or so everyone seems to be interpreting what’s coming out of Russia at face value and it certainly is confusing but before that most believed it was either blatant lies or fantasy. Why the sudden change?
Here is something….What if Putin is playing the West? The thing is, Wagner is now in Belarus. That’s a large, super experienced military force that’s now potentially being stationed 150 kilometers from Kyiv. If this NATO meeting on the 11th of July is about escalation…. I’m just sayin’.
Happy to admit it but others commenting seem to know better. For the last 60 hours or so everyone seems to be interpreting what’s coming out of Russia at face value and it certainly is confusing but before that most believed it was either blatant lies or fantasy. Why the sudden change?
I think we should all admit we haven’t a clue what is going on.
Good article IMHO. Appreciate the authors work.
Bizarre sequence of events anyway you try to slice it.
“…It is impossible to know whether Prigozhin’s weekend adventure will make him a major player in Russia’s future, or award him a death sentence…”
I cannot see how it can be anything but the latter, he has nowhere to run. A return to Russia is pretty much out no matter what happens to Putin. He will now have lost the entirety of his wealth that was not outside Russia. He cannot survive in Belarus without maintaining a private army and the chance of Lukashenko allowing that is zero. If Putin survives for any length of time Prigozhin would quite likely get poisoned soon enough. The idea of an escape to Africa is fantasy – in a land full of mafiosi who are well ensconced, Prigozhin managing to establish himself in any context before he is divested of his wealth and gets killed is I would say unlikely in the extreme. It would be different if it was Kadyrov, who has the lawless Chechen countryside he can slink away into, plus, as a muslim brother there would be someone who would take him in, like Saudi Arabia did with Idi Amin. Prigozhin on other hand is a sitting duck exposed out in the open.
Prigozhin will end up either “accidentally” falling out of a window or being poisoned. A third possibility is, that a disenchanted Wagner soldier (and there are quite a few) will shoot him. No way he will have a future part in Russian politics or military.
On the other hand the whole story is so bizarre and unreal, especially that Putin will forget and forgive (he never does). I yesterday read that a German ex general and military historian thinks, that Prigozhin was part of a plot initiated by Putin to see which military brass and close associates will stay on the side lines and would happily watch Putin’s demise. These “traitors” will by now have been spotted and are awaiting a bad ending.
A definite possibility.. it may have been the sole reason or just one of several? Poo bear is a wily bear!
A definite possibility.. it may have been the sole reason or just one of several? Poo bear is a wily bear!
I think in his position I would be tempted to make a deal with Ukraine to switch sides in exchange for immunity from former war crimes and turn his army against Russia, at least then he might be less likely to learn about the finer mechanics of defenestration.
He might have a passport for an other country
But I think his days are numbered
Perhaps Prighozin has kompromat on Putin, and just delivered the classic – ‘if anything happens to me, certain information will be released to the media’. Afterall, he was Putuns caterer, turned dirty jobs man…
Unless the cats paw is required further.
Did the Prighozin people pick up a nuclear weapon or two at the storage facility the Wagner Group passed in the direction of Moscow?
Did the Prighozin people pick up a nuclear weapon or two at the storage facility the Wagner Group passed in the direction of Moscow?
Prigozhin will end up either “accidentally” falling out of a window or being poisoned. A third possibility is, that a disenchanted Wagner soldier (and there are quite a few) will shoot him. No way he will have a future part in Russian politics or military.
On the other hand the whole story is so bizarre and unreal, especially that Putin will forget and forgive (he never does). I yesterday read that a German ex general and military historian thinks, that Prigozhin was part of a plot initiated by Putin to see which military brass and close associates will stay on the side lines and would happily watch Putin’s demise. These “traitors” will by now have been spotted and are awaiting a bad ending.
I think in his position I would be tempted to make a deal with Ukraine to switch sides in exchange for immunity from former war crimes and turn his army against Russia, at least then he might be less likely to learn about the finer mechanics of defenestration.
He might have a passport for an other country
But I think his days are numbered
Perhaps Prighozin has kompromat on Putin, and just delivered the classic – ‘if anything happens to me, certain information will be released to the media’. Afterall, he was Putuns caterer, turned dirty jobs man…
Unless the cats paw is required further.
“…It is impossible to know whether Prigozhin’s weekend adventure will make him a major player in Russia’s future, or award him a death sentence…”
I cannot see how it can be anything but the latter, he has nowhere to run. A return to Russia is pretty much out no matter what happens to Putin. He will now have lost the entirety of his wealth that was not outside Russia. He cannot survive in Belarus without maintaining a private army and the chance of Lukashenko allowing that is zero. If Putin survives for any length of time Prigozhin would quite likely get poisoned soon enough. The idea of an escape to Africa is fantasy – in a land full of mafiosi who are well ensconced, Prigozhin managing to establish himself in any context before he is divested of his wealth and gets killed is I would say unlikely in the extreme. It would be different if it was Kadyrov, who has the lawless Chechen countryside he can slink away into, plus, as a muslim brother there would be someone who would take him in, like Saudi Arabia did with Idi Amin. Prigozhin on other hand is a sitting duck exposed out in the open.
what a bizarre 24 hours.
if 25,000 troops could do that, imagine what 25,000 of someone else’s troops could do.
Apparently they were spread all over, and he only had 2000 or so near him at the time.
..I doubt it was anything more than a wily Russian ruse..
Apparently they were spread all over, and he only had 2000 or so near him at the time.
..I doubt it was anything more than a wily Russian ruse..
what a bizarre 24 hours.
if 25,000 troops could do that, imagine what 25,000 of someone else’s troops could do.
Given that a similar failed putsch eventually led to the collapse of the Tsarist regime in 1917, we have to see this as a serious blow to Putin.
Almost totally isolated from the real world, up till now Putin has clung to his mystical vision that Russia always wins in the end (factually false, of course. Russia has lost more wars than it won since Peter the Great. It’s just that most Russians in power are ignorant of their own history).
But now, reality has punched its way through the mysticism. No Russian knows how to win this war, or even how to avoid defeat. The West’s will has proven stronger than Putin’s, and hanging on til the West “tires” just loses more territory.
Putin may eventually blow the nuclear plant. But that will totally isolate him. Even China cannot stand for that.
Prigozhin’s contribution was to finally reveal to Putin that his plan can’t work. He now has no rational courses of action save withdrawal.
So now, the only real question is: is Putin still rational?
More Russophobia from Aris. Remember swastikas just prove your a badass not a Nazi
But the swastika tattoos on Prigozhin’s right-hand man, Utkin, probably do signify which side in this conflict are the real Nazis.
But the swastika tattoos on Prigozhin’s right-hand man, Utkin, probably do signify which side in this conflict are the real Nazis.
Yes.. rational, smart, wily, intelligent, healthy and relatively young.. fully the obverse of Biden.
I dont think that Putin thinks Russia always wins. He harks back to Stalin defeating Germany because he knows this is a fatal weakness for the West.
Stalin’s been a long time gone–and the brutal system that enabled him to sacrifice 28 million to defeat Russia has completely vanished.
Doubtful if modern Russian soldiers would clear mines with their feet, as Soviet soldiers did in WW2.
I really doubt Putin is thinking this way. Especially not with no lend-lease.
I really doubt Putin is thinking this way. Especially not with no lend-lease.
Stalin’s been a long time gone–and the brutal system that enabled him to sacrifice 28 million to defeat Russia has completely vanished.
Doubtful if modern Russian soldiers would clear mines with their feet, as Soviet soldiers did in WW2.
Just because the ones paying the price complain, doesnt mean it wont work.
More Russophobia from Aris. Remember swastikas just prove your a badass not a Nazi
Yes.. rational, smart, wily, intelligent, healthy and relatively young.. fully the obverse of Biden.
I dont think that Putin thinks Russia always wins. He harks back to Stalin defeating Germany because he knows this is a fatal weakness for the West.
Just because the ones paying the price complain, doesnt mean it wont work.
Given that a similar failed putsch eventually led to the collapse of the Tsarist regime in 1917, we have to see this as a serious blow to Putin.
Almost totally isolated from the real world, up till now Putin has clung to his mystical vision that Russia always wins in the end (factually false, of course. Russia has lost more wars than it won since Peter the Great. It’s just that most Russians in power are ignorant of their own history).
But now, reality has punched its way through the mysticism. No Russian knows how to win this war, or even how to avoid defeat. The West’s will has proven stronger than Putin’s, and hanging on til the West “tires” just loses more territory.
Putin may eventually blow the nuclear plant. But that will totally isolate him. Even China cannot stand for that.
Prigozhin’s contribution was to finally reveal to Putin that his plan can’t work. He now has no rational courses of action save withdrawal.
So now, the only real question is: is Putin still rational?
The most interesting interpretation of the Prigozhin “coup” attempt is that Prigozhin is, and always has been Putin’s creature and that the “coup” was Putin Mazkirovka to flush out disloyal elements and expose Western government interference channels.
Internally, Putin is strengthened. Putin is immensely popular in Russia, and an extremely canny operator. Underestimate him at you peril. As far as I can see, he is playing the western elites’ hatred of him brilliantly. Any interpretation suggesting Putin is losing control of Russia is delusional.
I concur.
Putin is immensely popular…because the people in Rostov were celebrating Vagner as they marched on Moscow?
And if Putin is “playing the western elites brilliantly” how come he abandoned Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson? How come the Russian Navy lost the Moskva? How come bridges going in and out of Crimea were rendered inoperable?
Pls continue to believe this–the surprise at the end will be all the greater.
You don’t kill a chicken by plucking it.
Those who are plucking are easy targets.
You don’t kill a chicken by plucking it.
Those who are plucking are easy targets.
I concur.
Putin is immensely popular…because the people in Rostov were celebrating Vagner as they marched on Moscow?
And if Putin is “playing the western elites brilliantly” how come he abandoned Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson? How come the Russian Navy lost the Moskva? How come bridges going in and out of Crimea were rendered inoperable?
Pls continue to believe this–the surprise at the end will be all the greater.
The most interesting interpretation of the Prigozhin “coup” attempt is that Prigozhin is, and always has been Putin’s creature and that the “coup” was Putin Mazkirovka to flush out disloyal elements and expose Western government interference channels.
Internally, Putin is strengthened. Putin is immensely popular in Russia, and an extremely canny operator. Underestimate him at you peril. As far as I can see, he is playing the western elites’ hatred of him brilliantly. Any interpretation suggesting Putin is losing control of Russia is delusional.
Interesting article. I have no inside information but the sequence of events suggested to me a “last throw of the dice” by an increasingly isolated, marginalised and desperate individual.
The immediate question that intrigues me is whether Kiev deliberately paused their counter-offensive while this drama played out – hoping it would lead to Russian forces being withdrawn from the front line to suppress Wagner. If so, perhaps we will now see a reinvigoration of their attacks southwards.
Interesting article. I have no inside information but the sequence of events suggested to me a “last throw of the dice” by an increasingly isolated, marginalised and desperate individual.
The immediate question that intrigues me is whether Kiev deliberately paused their counter-offensive while this drama played out – hoping it would lead to Russian forces being withdrawn from the front line to suppress Wagner. If so, perhaps we will now see a reinvigoration of their attacks southwards.
Pugachev, an excellent comparison. Still I wish writers would explain further the many talented nature of this man: prisoner in Gorbachov’s time, baker or something to Putin, something which is always announced but never explained how the chef morphed into running a troll factory as good or better than that orchestrated by the might of the British government, the GDU: suddenly the leader of pretty large mercenary armies, smaller than the militias owned by Poroshenko’s governers’ militias but big enough to wage war in several African countries at once. Does he have fabulous organising skills? Is he particularly good at selecting staff? A true Renaissance man.
Pugachev, an excellent comparison. Still I wish writers would explain further the many talented nature of this man: prisoner in Gorbachov’s time, baker or something to Putin, something which is always announced but never explained how the chef morphed into running a troll factory as good or better than that orchestrated by the might of the British government, the GDU: suddenly the leader of pretty large mercenary armies, smaller than the militias owned by Poroshenko’s governers’ militias but big enough to wage war in several African countries at once. Does he have fabulous organising skills? Is he particularly good at selecting staff? A true Renaissance man.
The best part of all this is that the only competent Russian general, Surovikin, was also much too close to Vagner.
Putin is now so paranoid, he will never put him in any position of power again.
Thankfully, incompetents like Shoigu and Gerasimov will stay put until they die.
Along with the most incompetent of them all: V. V. Putin.
The best part of all this is that the only competent Russian general, Surovikin, was also much too close to Vagner.
Putin is now so paranoid, he will never put him in any position of power again.
Thankfully, incompetents like Shoigu and Gerasimov will stay put until they die.
Along with the most incompetent of them all: V. V. Putin.
The explanation I haven’t seen discussed in this article or elsewhere (perhaps because it is unrealistic) is that Prigozhin was encouraged by the CIA, and perhaps Ukraine’s security services, to attempt a rebellion that would supposedly trigger an uprising by anti-Putin forces in Russia and perhaps leave Prigozhin in charge.
From the perspective of the West, this type of uprising would succeed even if it failed because it would politically weaken Putin (as it appears to have done). I’m reminded of the drone attacks on the Kremlin that preceded the Ukrainian spring offensive: done to humiliate Putin and demoralize his supporters and military.
I suppose the counterargument to this possibility is who in their right mind would want Prigozhin in charge?
As the author notes, now we must all wait to see how the consequences of this farce play out.
I am always surprised to see Western influence/money/intelligence, or at least a foreign state’s support sought behind events in Eastern/Central Europe. Why would Prigozhin trust the CIA or Ukraine’s security services?
Yes, he was absolutely flipped. According to Scott Ritter the information is apparently that it was mainly the Brits and MI6. The CIA was apparently also involved. It appears that Prigozhin was also broadcasting Ukraine talking points about how the war was going as well, and there had been some Ukrainian infiltrators that had been captured in Moscow two days before who were supposed to be part of this, by creating chaos there. We also now know that before it even happened, US intelligence informed congress. So, everyone knew about it before it happened.
It appears that since the sanctions didn’t work, and the Spring offensive is not working that this is the last big hope. Destabilization from the inside, or at least with the optics of this, making nations think Russia is on shaky ground, and to abandon them. Here is my question. Are we to actually believe that Russian security services didn’t also know exactly what was going on? That this Prigozhin was not a closely monitored man?
Scott Ritter. OK
Gotta love those people, it’s always the West orchestrating everything. What a boring world you must live in. First of all, Prigozhin would have never listened to what the CIA says, secondly if anything, such a chaos in a nuclear country would have made CIA uneasy.
Yes, the same demented morons who cannot control our Southern border can direct military ballets in far-off lands. Amazing talent, that.
Likewise Putin can’t control a random madman in his own country but supposedly had the POTUS as his secret agent for 4 years.
I think you must be assuming senior CIA guys are raving lunatics, dangerous psychopaths – do you have any evidence for that?
Likewise Putin can’t control a random madman in his own country but supposedly had the POTUS as his secret agent for 4 years.
I think you must be assuming senior CIA guys are raving lunatics, dangerous psychopaths – do you have any evidence for that?
Yes, the same demented morons who cannot control our Southern border can direct military ballets in far-off lands. Amazing talent, that.
Scott Ritter. OK
Gotta love those people, it’s always the West orchestrating everything. What a boring world you must live in. First of all, Prigozhin would have never listened to what the CIA says, secondly if anything, such a chaos in a nuclear country would have made CIA uneasy.
Oooh, CIA !!!
The CIA must find it hilarious that it is deemed an all-powerful organization that can actually infiltrate various parts of the Russian military, to include getting the ear of Prigozhin himself.
Prigozhin’s talking points, that Putin’s invasion was unjustified is universally available throughout the internet, and any Russian soldier has learned it from talking to Ukrainian civilians.
It doesn’t take the CIA to say that the King–and Putin–have no clothes.
My my – just look at all the articles! Monday is not only (a bumper) Putin day at UnHerd, but sets a new standard for hand-wringing and prognostication.
Friction de guerre Mr Logan. The facts of what exactly happened, and why, will out eventually, of course. I certainly don’t have them. But I will offer this for UnHerd readers to ruminate on:
The world has seen a proliferation of PMCs. Many reasons, but one of them is that cultural shifts, globalisation and the internet have undermined the support of the general public to get caught up in wars and/or the military. A quick peek at how hard it’s become to recruit in the US, EU and elsewhere makes this clear. Russia is not the only user of PMCs. PMCs are unstable grenades in the hands that hold them. Before we look too smugly at what happened with Wagner, consider the drama and intrigue that surrounded, just for example, Erik Prince and Blackwater in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Prigozhin-grenade threatened to detonate – then did – but until I see hard evidence to the contrary it certainly seems, on the face of it, to have been more of a “family squabble” in a house under intense – external – pressure.
The SMO will continue (unfortunately but necessarily). Ukraine will be defeated and is unlikely to survive as a state when the dust settles. Most importantly: all of this could, and should, have been prevented.
Those smugly insisting that Russia had territorial ambitions for the Donbas need to explain the now-verified existence of a – signed! – draft Istanbul peace treaty in which the Donbas remained within Ukraine along with security guarantees from the West.
Ah, but for that slick Mr. Johnson…
Totally agree this is more of a family squabble. After all Prigozhin’s contract was being terminated on July 1st after he and his troops had given their all in taking Bachmut. I’m not suprised he was hopping mad with the MOD. As you say the defeat of Ukraine is inevitable.
I’m surprised to read that draft treaties are signed. By whom? Do they carry any real weight?
Draft treaties weren’t signed.
Another Kremlin False Flag.
Of course they weren’t. A draft treaty would not be signed by heads of state.
It must be there–because there is no evidence for it !
It must be there–because there is no evidence for it !
Of course they weren’t. A draft treaty would not be signed by heads of state.
Draft treaties weren’t signed.
Another Kremlin False Flag.
Russia’ s problem is: 1) Russian ignorance of what happens when you use mercenaries 2) Their own dysfunctional society
If Russians had any knowledge of European history, they would know that mercenaries are impossible to control in the long run. they eventually caused the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and led to a total sack of Rome in 1527. That’s why no one uses them. Blackwater was an abberation, and no one was dumb enough in the West to give them heavy weapons.
The real problem is: it’s impossible for Russians to gain a real knowledge of history. In Russia, the only thing that matters is sucking up to the one above you who has total control over your life. They thus are excellent readers of human emotion (producing great writers, naturally) but have little if any knowledge of anything else, like strategy, tactics, economics, and world politics.
That’s why they die like flies in every war. They are a uniquely dysfunctional civilization.
Need to study them some to understand.
Totally agree this is more of a family squabble. After all Prigozhin’s contract was being terminated on July 1st after he and his troops had given their all in taking Bachmut. I’m not suprised he was hopping mad with the MOD. As you say the defeat of Ukraine is inevitable.
I’m surprised to read that draft treaties are signed. By whom? Do they carry any real weight?
Russia’ s problem is: 1) Russian ignorance of what happens when you use mercenaries 2) Their own dysfunctional society
If Russians had any knowledge of European history, they would know that mercenaries are impossible to control in the long run. they eventually caused the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and led to a total sack of Rome in 1527. That’s why no one uses them. Blackwater was an abberation, and no one was dumb enough in the West to give them heavy weapons.
The real problem is: it’s impossible for Russians to gain a real knowledge of history. In Russia, the only thing that matters is sucking up to the one above you who has total control over your life. They thus are excellent readers of human emotion (producing great writers, naturally) but have little if any knowledge of anything else, like strategy, tactics, economics, and world politics.
That’s why they die like flies in every war. They are a uniquely dysfunctional civilization.
Need to study them some to understand.
Well the New York Times reported that: “U.S. spy agencies had indications days earlier that Mr. Prigozhin was planning something and worked to refine that material into a finished assessment, officials said.”
They also said: “While it is not clear exactly when the United States first learned of the plot, intelligence officials conducted briefings on Wednesday with administration and defense officials. On Thursday, as additional confirmation of the plot came in, intelligence officials informed a narrow group of congressional leaders, according to officials familiar with the briefings who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.”
So, according to the Times, they informed congress… Now, how can U.S. spy agencies know about this stuff, to the point that they are briefing select members of congress about it before it even happens?
Also, right as the Wagner events were coming to a close, Russia releases a statement mocking the CIA’s past black ops failures such as the Bay of Pigs.
And the CIA’s prediction that Putin would invade–when you and everyone else said he wouldn’t–was another Bay of Pigs?
And the CIA’s prediction that Putin would invade–when you and everyone else said he wouldn’t–was another Bay of Pigs?
My my – just look at all the articles! Monday is not only (a bumper) Putin day at UnHerd, but sets a new standard for hand-wringing and prognostication.
Friction de guerre Mr Logan. The facts of what exactly happened, and why, will out eventually, of course. I certainly don’t have them. But I will offer this for UnHerd readers to ruminate on:
The world has seen a proliferation of PMCs. Many reasons, but one of them is that cultural shifts, globalisation and the internet have undermined the support of the general public to get caught up in wars and/or the military. A quick peek at how hard it’s become to recruit in the US, EU and elsewhere makes this clear. Russia is not the only user of PMCs. PMCs are unstable grenades in the hands that hold them. Before we look too smugly at what happened with Wagner, consider the drama and intrigue that surrounded, just for example, Erik Prince and Blackwater in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Prigozhin-grenade threatened to detonate – then did – but until I see hard evidence to the contrary it certainly seems, on the face of it, to have been more of a “family squabble” in a house under intense – external – pressure.
The SMO will continue (unfortunately but necessarily). Ukraine will be defeated and is unlikely to survive as a state when the dust settles. Most importantly: all of this could, and should, have been prevented.
Those smugly insisting that Russia had territorial ambitions for the Donbas need to explain the now-verified existence of a – signed! – draft Istanbul peace treaty in which the Donbas remained within Ukraine along with security guarantees from the West.
Ah, but for that slick Mr. Johnson…
Well the New York Times reported that: “U.S. spy agencies had indications days earlier that Mr. Prigozhin was planning something and worked to refine that material into a finished assessment, officials said.”
They also said: “While it is not clear exactly when the United States first learned of the plot, intelligence officials conducted briefings on Wednesday with administration and defense officials. On Thursday, as additional confirmation of the plot came in, intelligence officials informed a narrow group of congressional leaders, according to officials familiar with the briefings who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.”
So, according to the Times, they informed congress… Now, how can U.S. spy agencies know about this stuff, to the point that they are briefing select members of congress about it before it even happens?
Also, right as the Wagner events were coming to a close, Russia releases a statement mocking the CIA’s past black ops failures such as the Bay of Pigs.
The CIA would normally have a “burn after reading” end game, ie a mechanism to kill Prigozhin after he had done his treachery.. so you may well be right. However, I suspect a Russian ruse rather than a CIA coup.. but who knows? wheels within wheels eh?
It’s a whole lot more restful (and reliable) to accept the most likely explanation, than to postulate unprovable conspiracy theories. It’s actually the basis of all modern Western Thought.
It’s also why Marxism rots the mind.
It’s a whole lot more restful (and reliable) to accept the most likely explanation, than to postulate unprovable conspiracy theories. It’s actually the basis of all modern Western Thought.
It’s also why Marxism rots the mind.
I am always surprised to see Western influence/money/intelligence, or at least a foreign state’s support sought behind events in Eastern/Central Europe. Why would Prigozhin trust the CIA or Ukraine’s security services?
Yes, he was absolutely flipped. According to Scott Ritter the information is apparently that it was mainly the Brits and MI6. The CIA was apparently also involved. It appears that Prigozhin was also broadcasting Ukraine talking points about how the war was going as well, and there had been some Ukrainian infiltrators that had been captured in Moscow two days before who were supposed to be part of this, by creating chaos there. We also now know that before it even happened, US intelligence informed congress. So, everyone knew about it before it happened.
It appears that since the sanctions didn’t work, and the Spring offensive is not working that this is the last big hope. Destabilization from the inside, or at least with the optics of this, making nations think Russia is on shaky ground, and to abandon them. Here is my question. Are we to actually believe that Russian security services didn’t also know exactly what was going on? That this Prigozhin was not a closely monitored man?
Oooh, CIA !!!
The CIA must find it hilarious that it is deemed an all-powerful organization that can actually infiltrate various parts of the Russian military, to include getting the ear of Prigozhin himself.
Prigozhin’s talking points, that Putin’s invasion was unjustified is universally available throughout the internet, and any Russian soldier has learned it from talking to Ukrainian civilians.
It doesn’t take the CIA to say that the King–and Putin–have no clothes.
The CIA would normally have a “burn after reading” end game, ie a mechanism to kill Prigozhin after he had done his treachery.. so you may well be right. However, I suspect a Russian ruse rather than a CIA coup.. but who knows? wheels within wheels eh?
The explanation I haven’t seen discussed in this article or elsewhere (perhaps because it is unrealistic) is that Prigozhin was encouraged by the CIA, and perhaps Ukraine’s security services, to attempt a rebellion that would supposedly trigger an uprising by anti-Putin forces in Russia and perhaps leave Prigozhin in charge.
From the perspective of the West, this type of uprising would succeed even if it failed because it would politically weaken Putin (as it appears to have done). I’m reminded of the drone attacks on the Kremlin that preceded the Ukrainian spring offensive: done to humiliate Putin and demoralize his supporters and military.
I suppose the counterargument to this possibility is who in their right mind would want Prigozhin in charge?
As the author notes, now we must all wait to see how the consequences of this farce play out.
The beaming photo of Prigozhin, after calling off his march on Moscow when he had reached Tula, surely says it all! He is a big winner in all of this. Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov are big losers.
All that remains to be seen is what prizes have been showered on Prigozhin and what fate awaits the losers. And, most importantly, who will replace Putin, which is unlikely to be Prigozhin, and when will this happen. Quite a diversion for the Special Military Operation.
The beaming photo of Prigozhin, after calling off his march on Moscow when he had reached Tula, surely says it all! He is a big winner in all of this. Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov are big losers.
All that remains to be seen is what prizes have been showered on Prigozhin and what fate awaits the losers. And, most importantly, who will replace Putin, which is unlikely to be Prigozhin, and when will this happen. Quite a diversion for the Special Military Operation.
A big article based on almost nothing
A big article based on almost nothing
As Russians used to say, “Better the Czar you know.”
As Russians used to say, “Better the Czar you know.”
From the lack of support (and defence) of Putin during the putsch, right up to the time Prigozhin realized taking Moscow was impossible, we now see that only one Russian really supports this war:
V. V. Putin.
Everyone else, from Prigozhin to ordinary Russians, now knows the war is lost.
Moreover, Putin is desperate. He wouldn’t go out among the general population unless that was his last hope.
So, the only real question:
Who will remove Putin, either from office–or from this world?
There are people in the Kremlin deciding this as we post…
From the lack of support (and defence) of Putin during the putsch, right up to the time Prigozhin realized taking Moscow was impossible, we now see that only one Russian really supports this war:
V. V. Putin.
Everyone else, from Prigozhin to ordinary Russians, now knows the war is lost.
Moreover, Putin is desperate. He wouldn’t go out among the general population unless that was his last hope.
So, the only real question:
Who will remove Putin, either from office–or from this world?
There are people in the Kremlin deciding this as we post…
one more victim of maskyrovka…little do they know, except their wishful thinking.
I thought it was theatre, something showy to rationalize using weapons that shouldn’t be considered. Now, perhaps its just the off ramp for the cook. He got tired of the clowns garb?
Either way, I dont think it bodes well for people caught up in this war.
I thought it was theatre, something showy to rationalize using weapons that shouldn’t be considered. Now, perhaps its just the off ramp for the cook. He got tired of the clowns garb?
Either way, I dont think it bodes well for people caught up in this war.
I firmly believe that soon a time of peace will come.
This talk of peace is not an approved position. Remember, in Trans-Democracy you must take the positions that are consistant with what your governing masters approve of. All information that doesn’t support the approved agenda is false, and not to be spoken.
Yep, can’t wait to be liberated by Russia, that bastion of freedom
Yes, I get it… Putin bad, Zelensky good. Peace bad, war good. Two legs bad, four legs good.
You seem to have forgotten about who invaded. Putin == war.
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and unprovoked as well right?, Eastward march of NATO, 14,000 deaths in Donbas and an 8 year wait for Minsk2 to be honoured ..entirely irrelevant right? You’re giving naivety a bad name!
There was a chance to end the conflict back early on with a total pull out of Russia, and Borris Johnson put an end to that.
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and unprovoked as well right?, Eastward march of NATO, 14,000 deaths in Donbas and an 8 year wait for Minsk2 to be honoured ..entirely irrelevant right? You’re giving naivety a bad name!
There was a chance to end the conflict back early on with a total pull out of Russia, and Borris Johnson put an end to that.
You seem to have forgotten about who invaded. Putin == war.
Given the choice I think I’d prefer to be “free” in Russia than “free” in Ukraine right now. Only the dead are completely free..
Yes, I get it… Putin bad, Zelensky good. Peace bad, war good. Two legs bad, four legs good.
Given the choice I think I’d prefer to be “free” in Russia than “free” in Ukraine right now. Only the dead are completely free..
I take the position of what my lying eyes see.
Yep, can’t wait to be liberated by Russia, that bastion of freedom
I take the position of what my lying eyes see.
And the time for Disney movies. Don’t forget the Disney movies.
This talk of peace is not an approved position. Remember, in Trans-Democracy you must take the positions that are consistant with what your governing masters approve of. All information that doesn’t support the approved agenda is false, and not to be spoken.
And the time for Disney movies. Don’t forget the Disney movies.
I firmly believe that soon a time of peace will come.
No one in the West can possibly know at this stage, but perhaps the Wagner Group really is being moved to Belarus to “guard” the Russian nuclear weapons that were now there. 48 hours ago, the people who are having kittens over that, were wetting themselves with glee that Yevgeny Prigozhin, and thus whoever had paid him, were going to be getting their hands on the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. That is the thing with mercenaries. They belong to whoever pays them more. So a private company with what amounted to vast and expanding territories in Africa and elsewhere may indeed soon have de facto control of nuclear weapons as well.
Indeed.
We in the west use 6 Jan rioters to guard our nuclear facilities.
Indeed.
We in the west use 6 Jan rioters to guard our nuclear facilities.
No one in the West can possibly know at this stage, but perhaps the Wagner Group really is being moved to Belarus to “guard” the Russian nuclear weapons that were now there. 48 hours ago, the people who are having kittens over that, were wetting themselves with glee that Yevgeny Prigozhin, and thus whoever had paid him, were going to be getting their hands on the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. That is the thing with mercenaries. They belong to whoever pays them more. So a private company with what amounted to vast and expanding territories in Africa and elsewhere may indeed soon have de facto control of nuclear weapons as well.
Isn’t this an ideal opportunity for Putin to withdraw and place the blame firmly on Prigo’s shoulders?
…eh, no.
…eh, no.
Isn’t this an ideal opportunity for Putin to withdraw and place the blame firmly on Prigo’s shoulders?
I still think the whole affair could be Putin cooked up ruse to confuse the enemy.. or to get Prigozhin to Belarus with his 25,000 band soon to follow (as newly recruited regular Russian troops? ..immediately reverting to Prigozhin’s command upon arrival?).. in order to launch an attack on Kyev.. Putin is a wily old bear.. and so too is his friend Prigozhin.. feichimís.
Oooh, a RUSE!
Just like the one Putin used to besiege Kyiv and Kharkiv!
And the one where he evacuated Kherson!
It’s all a giant trap, just waiting to spring!
You DO know every losing side in a war thinks this kind of stuff?
Oooh, a RUSE!
Just like the one Putin used to besiege Kyiv and Kharkiv!
And the one where he evacuated Kherson!
It’s all a giant trap, just waiting to spring!
You DO know every losing side in a war thinks this kind of stuff?
I still think the whole affair could be Putin cooked up ruse to confuse the enemy.. or to get Prigozhin to Belarus with his 25,000 band soon to follow (as newly recruited regular Russian troops? ..immediately reverting to Prigozhin’s command upon arrival?).. in order to launch an attack on Kyev.. Putin is a wily old bear.. and so too is his friend Prigozhin.. feichimís.