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Pride Month, the annual celebration of the alphabet soup that is the enforced marriage of LGB and T, is almost over. During this weekend’s Pride parade through central London, there will be much chanting of the mantra “No LGB without the T”. But when the rainbow decorations are put away for another year, it will be a good time to think about this coerced civil partnership — and whether divorce might not be preferable, for both our sakes.
The two groups, yoked together under an uglier-than-ever rainbow flag, have diametrically opposed objectives. For the LGB wing to achieve progress, the only tool we have is visibility. We have to come out. We have the constant advantage or penalty, depending on circumstance, of the closet. Years ago I wrote a joke which reflects a profound truth about gay life: the difference between being gay and being black is that if you’re black you don’t have to tell your mother.
But what trans people need, want and campaigned for is the opposite. They fight for invisibility. That was the explicit objective of the Gender Recognition Act (GRA), which was designed to enable trans people to live quiet lives, precisely without being noticed as different. As so many trans people have told me, they transitioned in order to “pass”.
The background to that 2004 Act was the case of Christine Goodwin. She argued in the European Court of Human Rights that — and this was before gay civil partnership and equal marriage would have allowed him to do so — she was being discriminated against because, among other issues, she couldn’t marry her boyfriend. Without a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) that the Act would grant, every time she needed to show her birth certificate she’d be outed as male and, therefore, as trans; her privacy would be breached. Which was the exact opposite of what she — who had undergone sex reassignment surgery more than a decade earlier — actually wanted.
The GRA was a direct consequence of Goodwin’s ECHR win. It included an explicit provision to safeguard this essential privacy for transgender people. It made it an offence for any official who knew the birth sex of a trans person to disclose it. The GRA gave trans people the comfort of a legal fiction, on which they could rely fully, that they could be treated as the opposite sex. And more than that, it guaranteed that they would not have to come out as trans. It was a political triumph for invisibility.
The effect of this was to create a social contract. Society would pretty happily go along with the GRA’s legal fiction because, as remains the case today, the majority of people think that transgender people should be free from discrimination. But that deal has been broken by the current generation of transactivists — often to the horror of many trans people, especially those who, under the auspices of the GRA, have fully transitioned. Those transactivists are making a fundamental error by enforcing the coupling of the LGB and the T: they have seen the campaigning success of lesbians and gays through coming out, and mistakenly think they should copy it.
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SubscribeWell it is all backfiring spectacularly. In Canada there have been teenagers walking out in protest over LGBT indoctrination in schools. There was a protest by Muslim parents outside the PM’s offices about the same thing. In the US Armenian Americans had fist fights with antifa outside a local high school. I think now that the taboo over pushing back against LGBT has been breached many more people will join in. Trans activists have pushed too far and been too obnoxious, violent and completely insensitive to women and children’s rights. The entire rainbow is going to get the backlash.
And the fallout will hurt gay people, which is a tragic consequence.
I agree. It is really unfortunate that gay and lesbian people are gonna get caught in this.
I think too many of them have waited too long to push back and if I had to guess why that is I would say that it is because they probably, at least initially, felt that because so many of the people that are pushing back hard against the trans activists come from the very groups that they feel once oppressed them, they should go along.
I think too, it was initially hard to distinguish between the, for lack of a better word, TRUE trans, from the performative trans.
I’ve said it before and I will say it again, I truly believe that there are people who honestly and from a very young age, believe they are born in the wrong body. But I also believe that there is a wave, a very large wave, of mentally or emotionally ill young people who are desperate for an answer to what is making them miserable and have latched onto this as a solution and I think the behavior we see from them is a reflection of the internal rage and self loathing they feel.
That aside, what is truly frightening, is that these performative trans have decided that there can be no limits of any kind on sexual proclivity, that it is wrong and ignorant to judge anyone for this and now the boundaries are being stretched or even broken around pedophiles whom we must now call “minor attracted people”.
Very well said!
The work of J Michael Bailey and Lisa Lippman speak directly to this rapid onset of gender dysphoria in society. Until kids were involved most people were tolerant. Start butchering kids to satisfy a tiny group then march around proclaiming everybody a bigot for speaking out and society says enough.
Yes, as long as only women’s rights were trampled, nobody cared. And isn’t that tragic and disgusting?
Yes, as long as only women’s rights were trampled, nobody cared. And isn’t that tragic and disgusting?
Very well said!
The work of J Michael Bailey and Lisa Lippman speak directly to this rapid onset of gender dysphoria in society. Until kids were involved most people were tolerant. Start butchering kids to satisfy a tiny group then march around proclaiming everybody a bigot for speaking out and society says enough.
Exactly. Backlash movements are rarely calm, sensible, gentle and reasoned. Unfortunately, this will merely provoke the most militant trans activists to even greater heights of transgressive aggression. The conflict spiral will be ugly.
Meh
What is a “gay” person?
A predominantly homosexual person, as I am. It’s not that difficult to understand…..!
A predominantly homosexual person, as I am. It’s not that difficult to understand…..!
I agree. It is really unfortunate that gay and lesbian people are gonna get caught in this.
I think too many of them have waited too long to push back and if I had to guess why that is I would say that it is because they probably, at least initially, felt that because so many of the people that are pushing back hard against the trans activists come from the very groups that they feel once oppressed them, they should go along.
I think too, it was initially hard to distinguish between the, for lack of a better word, TRUE trans, from the performative trans.
I’ve said it before and I will say it again, I truly believe that there are people who honestly and from a very young age, believe they are born in the wrong body. But I also believe that there is a wave, a very large wave, of mentally or emotionally ill young people who are desperate for an answer to what is making them miserable and have latched onto this as a solution and I think the behavior we see from them is a reflection of the internal rage and self loathing they feel.
That aside, what is truly frightening, is that these performative trans have decided that there can be no limits of any kind on sexual proclivity, that it is wrong and ignorant to judge anyone for this and now the boundaries are being stretched or even broken around pedophiles whom we must now call “minor attracted people”.
Exactly. Backlash movements are rarely calm, sensible, gentle and reasoned. Unfortunately, this will merely provoke the most militant trans activists to even greater heights of transgressive aggression. The conflict spiral will be ugly.
Meh
What is a “gay” person?
And the fallout will hurt gay people, which is a tragic consequence.
Well it is all backfiring spectacularly. In Canada there have been teenagers walking out in protest over LGBT indoctrination in schools. There was a protest by Muslim parents outside the PM’s offices about the same thing. In the US Armenian Americans had fist fights with antifa outside a local high school. I think now that the taboo over pushing back against LGBT has been breached many more people will join in. Trans activists have pushed too far and been too obnoxious, violent and completely insensitive to women and children’s rights. The entire rainbow is going to get the backlash.
The movement has been utterly infiltrated by homophobic, misogynistic pedophiles and needs to be dismantled and reformed URGENTLY. I object to and boycott any business that displays that ridiculous parody of the rainbow flag. I have just listened to a podcast (The Catholic Current) in which the exact and graphic nature of the medical procedures performed on a young boy were described. At 11 he was given an implant in his arm that blocked his puberty. At 13 he was put on a lifelong course of oestrogen that “feminised” his features. At 16, he was castrated and because there was not enough penile tissue to create a “vagina-type cavity”, surgeons used part of his intestine, which gave him an internal infection that he nearly died from. His wound (“vagina”) is prevented from healing by a dilating contraption that keeps it open. He renamed himself “Jazz” and said he was a woman but fell into a deep depression when heterosexual boys (no doubt called “transphobes”) didn’t want to date him. Sorry for all the graphic detail but it’s imperative that people engage with the reality of what is being done to children. It’s barbaric and needs to stop immediately. Please do not support this horrific movement until it clearly stands against mutilating children.
“I object to and boycott any business that displays that ridiculous parody of the rainbow flag.”
So do I.
Good!
You need to let the business know you’re boycotting them or it won’t have any effect.
Indeed. Yesterday morning I arrived at the gym to find it festooned with Pride regalia. Before I turned round and walked out, I told the receptionist that I would not be using the gym again until the Pride stuff was removed.
Incidentally, I owe you an apology. A couple of months ago I confused you with someone called, from memory, Claire Atkins or Atkinson, and once or twice subjected you to a certain amount of vitriol on account of her disgusting wokeness. You didn’t deserve this, and I’m very sorry.
Indeed. Yesterday morning I arrived at the gym to find it festooned with Pride regalia. Before I turned round and walked out, I told the receptionist that I would not be using the gym again until the Pride stuff was removed.
Incidentally, I owe you an apology. A couple of months ago I confused you with someone called, from memory, Claire Atkins or Atkinson, and once or twice subjected you to a certain amount of vitriol on account of her disgusting wokeness. You didn’t deserve this, and I’m very sorry.
The boycott principle is laudable. But in practice… (in the UK)?
Supermarkets?NHS?GP surgeries?High street banks?Fuel stations?Air/rail transport?Clothes shop stores?Shopping malls?Fast food chains?Etc., etc., etc.???
Life could be difficult if all such were boycotted. For instance, I walked into my local Tesco supermarket only yesterday to be confronted at the entrance by a garish rainbow display with weasel words of support for the LGB etc. community and stating it wanted all its customers to feel safe! FFS!
Good!
You need to let the business know you’re boycotting them or it won’t have any effect.
The boycott principle is laudable. But in practice… (in the UK)?
Supermarkets?NHS?GP surgeries?High street banks?Fuel stations?Air/rail transport?Clothes shop stores?Shopping malls?Fast food chains?Etc., etc., etc.???
Life could be difficult if all such were boycotted. For instance, I walked into my local Tesco supermarket only yesterday to be confronted at the entrance by a garish rainbow display with weasel words of support for the LGB etc. community and stating it wanted all its customers to feel safe! FFS!
That was graphic and stomach churning, but you are right, needs to be put out there so that people know exactly what this abomination is all about.
The phrase “fully transitioned” is opaque. What exactly does it mean? Full top and/or bottom surgery? Apparently not many TIMs do that. Possibly because they need to keep hold of the one thing they need in order to have any kind of sexual experience (no doubt much-curtailed by all the oestrogen in their system). This then begs the question, how has any ‘transition’ at all taken place if not fully? Taking cross-sex hormones? Are we to take it that there is ‘partial’ transition? So how is this transition justified – or even defined? If we accept the scientific fact that it is not possible for humans, or any mammals, to change sex, then what transition has taken place? Taking cross-sex hormones for a lifetime is not going to change anyone’s sex and they can and will cause terrible health problems later on.
While autogynephiles are getting fake boobs & wearing regressively stereotypical ‘feminine’ clothing from the 1950s, gay people are being monstered with hyperbole for not sleeping with ‘trans’ people who are clearly not the same sex. The man in the example who ‘outed’ his ‘transness’ in order to show the unfairness of the law towards homosexuals in the past can now just be gay. If he is same-sex attracted, he may now marry his male partner without having to ‘pass’ as a woman. It would be interesting to know whether he gave up the pretence once gay marriage was made legal. And if not, why not? Is his partner gay or straight? Or does he just like the idea of a ‘woman’ with a p***s? These are all legitimate questions about a movement that is frustratingly vague about what transition is and also what they even think about homosexuality. Once again, there’s a lot of denial and in many cases outright hostility to it.
True body dysphoria is a mental misperception. Oliver Sachs write about it in his fascinating books. His patients were not encouraged to cut off a limb if they felt it ‘didn’t belong’. Their misperception was treated so that the patient could accept the body s/he had. And yet it is called transphobia, bigotry, conversion therapy to say so. The hyperbole is telling. Denial is a powerful emotion. Being gay however is not a mental misperception. It is sexual orientation. It doesn’t necessitate denial of basic science, leading to experimental medication & body mutilation. In the 70s gender stereotypes were being smashed left right & centre. People could wear whatever they liked, it didn’t matter of girls wore trousers, men wore dresses and we all had long hair & wore loads of makeup! How is it we are now back to the very stereotypes that we rejected back then? David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Glam Rock, Punk – it was all gloriously gender-free..but with more style & much more fun.
There are just so many questions unanswered on this issue that I find it hard to accept the cries for special pleading. Can annyone explain what rights those who claim to be ‘trans’ don’t have, that I do?
And as for children, they just need to take their own time, with the love & support of those around them, to discover who they are as they grow up. That is the transition we all make.
So eloquent, rational and compassionate! I hope you publish this somewhere. You make all the salient points. Just yesterday I saw a meme that said, “If your genitals don’t define your gender, why are you so obsessed with cutting them off to assert your gender?” The whole ideology doesn’t make sense. And the hardcore activists know it. It’s just legitimised child abuse.
There’s a documentary on Prime video called ‘The Dreamlife of Georgia Stone’ about an Australian girl who was born a boy, but always felt like a girl, and certainly looks like one; who went to court and got permision to fully transition when she was18 years old. After surgery she said she felt relieved to not have male genitalia. We don’t get to see how she felt years later because it happened recently, however, she certainly seemed like a valid case for complete transitioning.
“It’s just legitimised child abuse.”
Have an upvote with my compliments, although I think your comment would be enhanced by the addition of the word “sadistic”.
There’s a documentary on Prime video called ‘The Dreamlife of Georgia Stone’ about an Australian girl who was born a boy, but always felt like a girl, and certainly looks like one; who went to court and got permision to fully transition when she was18 years old. After surgery she said she felt relieved to not have male genitalia. We don’t get to see how she felt years later because it happened recently, however, she certainly seemed like a valid case for complete transitioning.
“It’s just legitimised child abuse.”
Have an upvote with my compliments, although I think your comment would be enhanced by the addition of the word “sadistic”.
I claim to be trans. I don’t think I lack any rights and, like you, I find it hard to accept the cries for special pleading. I can think of occasions where people have bent over backwards to accommodate me.
I also partially agree with what you say about body dysmorphia – you wouldn’t treat an anorexic by putting them on a diet is the example I use.
For some of us transition to whatever point works. Some of us are realistic enough to understand that it doesn’t actually change our sex, and some of us are sensitive enough to realise that we don’t need to trample all over the rights of women in order to live our lives as we wish.
In the end I think the transactivist mob will harm me more than it harms you, which (rather selfishly) is why I oppose gender ideology
I would probably have acquiesced in the use of preferred pronouns if doing so hadn’t become compulsory.
I would probably have acquiesced in the use of preferred pronouns if doing so hadn’t become compulsory.
So brilliantly put. Whether one is a “performative” trans person who modifies themselves aesthetically through styling and make-up, or (to borrow a term used in the community) a “transmed” person who takes hormones and has undergone some level of surgical intervention… both are NOT transitions because sex is immutable.
But until we change the language used to describe this phenomenon the public won’t understand it. The past few years the language has been muddled on purpose, with the press standards organisation telling newspapers they’re not allowed to “misgender” trans-identified people and so on. The end result is that the public is confused but defaults to accepting what they’re told because they don’t want to be demonised as transphobes or bigots.
So eloquent, rational and compassionate! I hope you publish this somewhere. You make all the salient points. Just yesterday I saw a meme that said, “If your genitals don’t define your gender, why are you so obsessed with cutting them off to assert your gender?” The whole ideology doesn’t make sense. And the hardcore activists know it. It’s just legitimised child abuse.
I claim to be trans. I don’t think I lack any rights and, like you, I find it hard to accept the cries for special pleading. I can think of occasions where people have bent over backwards to accommodate me.
I also partially agree with what you say about body dysmorphia – you wouldn’t treat an anorexic by putting them on a diet is the example I use.
For some of us transition to whatever point works. Some of us are realistic enough to understand that it doesn’t actually change our sex, and some of us are sensitive enough to realise that we don’t need to trample all over the rights of women in order to live our lives as we wish.
In the end I think the transactivist mob will harm me more than it harms you, which (rather selfishly) is why I oppose gender ideology
So brilliantly put. Whether one is a “performative” trans person who modifies themselves aesthetically through styling and make-up, or (to borrow a term used in the community) a “transmed” person who takes hormones and has undergone some level of surgical intervention… both are NOT transitions because sex is immutable.
But until we change the language used to describe this phenomenon the public won’t understand it. The past few years the language has been muddled on purpose, with the press standards organisation telling newspapers they’re not allowed to “misgender” trans-identified people and so on. The end result is that the public is confused but defaults to accepting what they’re told because they don’t want to be demonised as transphobes or bigots.
And the poor kid was just gay.
Pretty much any detrasitioner’s stories is hard to watch. Women with men’s voices who don’t fit in anywhere. People who leak urine all day long and have to wear diapers. Multiple follow up surgeries. An aspect of this that is rarely discussed is that many of these procedures are completely experimental.
Male to female has been pretty much perfected by now. Female to male is much more complicated.
Perfected? They have a wound that never heals. They have to use a piece of colon to line the orifice – which smells like colon. A child in the Netherlands died of complications just last month. You can’t create complicated organs with a scalpel.
Are you referring to the child who died in the original “Dutch protocol” study? That was many years ago but has been doing the news rounds recently and it’s been rediscovered.
Are you referring to the child who died in the original “Dutch protocol” study? That was many years ago but has been doing the news rounds recently and it’s been rediscovered.
Perfected? They have a wound that never heals. They have to use a piece of colon to line the orifice – which smells like colon. A child in the Netherlands died of complications just last month. You can’t create complicated organs with a scalpel.
Male to female has been pretty much perfected by now. Female to male is much more complicated.
He also ballooned up, gaining over a hundred pounds over the past couple of years. Does that sound like someone who is happy to have ‘transitioned’?
For a more recent case, read all about when Jazz (Jennings) literally went pop!
https://www.thefp.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle
Read this to learn how things have gone very badly wrong for the reality TV trans female star.
For a more recent case, read all about when Jazz (Jennings) literally went pop!
https://www.thefp.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle
Read this to learn how things have gone very badly wrong for the reality TV trans female star.
“I object to and boycott any business that displays that ridiculous parody of the rainbow flag.”
So do I.
That was graphic and stomach churning, but you are right, needs to be put out there so that people know exactly what this abomination is all about.
The phrase “fully transitioned” is opaque. What exactly does it mean? Full top and/or bottom surgery? Apparently not many TIMs do that. Possibly because they need to keep hold of the one thing they need in order to have any kind of sexual experience (no doubt much-curtailed by all the oestrogen in their system). This then begs the question, how has any ‘transition’ at all taken place if not fully? Taking cross-sex hormones? Are we to take it that there is ‘partial’ transition? So how is this transition justified – or even defined? If we accept the scientific fact that it is not possible for humans, or any mammals, to change sex, then what transition has taken place? Taking cross-sex hormones for a lifetime is not going to change anyone’s sex and they can and will cause terrible health problems later on.
While autogynephiles are getting fake boobs & wearing regressively stereotypical ‘feminine’ clothing from the 1950s, gay people are being monstered with hyperbole for not sleeping with ‘trans’ people who are clearly not the same sex. The man in the example who ‘outed’ his ‘transness’ in order to show the unfairness of the law towards homosexuals in the past can now just be gay. If he is same-sex attracted, he may now marry his male partner without having to ‘pass’ as a woman. It would be interesting to know whether he gave up the pretence once gay marriage was made legal. And if not, why not? Is his partner gay or straight? Or does he just like the idea of a ‘woman’ with a p***s? These are all legitimate questions about a movement that is frustratingly vague about what transition is and also what they even think about homosexuality. Once again, there’s a lot of denial and in many cases outright hostility to it.
True body dysphoria is a mental misperception. Oliver Sachs write about it in his fascinating books. His patients were not encouraged to cut off a limb if they felt it ‘didn’t belong’. Their misperception was treated so that the patient could accept the body s/he had. And yet it is called transphobia, bigotry, conversion therapy to say so. The hyperbole is telling. Denial is a powerful emotion. Being gay however is not a mental misperception. It is sexual orientation. It doesn’t necessitate denial of basic science, leading to experimental medication & body mutilation. In the 70s gender stereotypes were being smashed left right & centre. People could wear whatever they liked, it didn’t matter of girls wore trousers, men wore dresses and we all had long hair & wore loads of makeup! How is it we are now back to the very stereotypes that we rejected back then? David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Glam Rock, Punk – it was all gloriously gender-free..but with more style & much more fun.
There are just so many questions unanswered on this issue that I find it hard to accept the cries for special pleading. Can annyone explain what rights those who claim to be ‘trans’ don’t have, that I do?
And as for children, they just need to take their own time, with the love & support of those around them, to discover who they are as they grow up. That is the transition we all make.
And the poor kid was just gay.
Pretty much any detrasitioner’s stories is hard to watch. Women with men’s voices who don’t fit in anywhere. People who leak urine all day long and have to wear diapers. Multiple follow up surgeries. An aspect of this that is rarely discussed is that many of these procedures are completely experimental.
He also ballooned up, gaining over a hundred pounds over the past couple of years. Does that sound like someone who is happy to have ‘transitioned’?
The movement has been utterly infiltrated by homophobic, misogynistic pedophiles and needs to be dismantled and reformed URGENTLY. I object to and boycott any business that displays that ridiculous parody of the rainbow flag. I have just listened to a podcast (The Catholic Current) in which the exact and graphic nature of the medical procedures performed on a young boy were described. At 11 he was given an implant in his arm that blocked his puberty. At 13 he was put on a lifelong course of oestrogen that “feminised” his features. At 16, he was castrated and because there was not enough penile tissue to create a “vagina-type cavity”, surgeons used part of his intestine, which gave him an internal infection that he nearly died from. His wound (“vagina”) is prevented from healing by a dilating contraption that keeps it open. He renamed himself “Jazz” and said he was a woman but fell into a deep depression when heterosexual boys (no doubt called “transphobes”) didn’t want to date him. Sorry for all the graphic detail but it’s imperative that people engage with the reality of what is being done to children. It’s barbaric and needs to stop immediately. Please do not support this horrific movement until it clearly stands against mutilating children.
The LGB mob were pretty harmless and generally good corporate citizens. But along came the T and it all changed to any one who didn’t treat them with simpering adoration, would have their employment and personal safety threatened. And they had their own Troll stable and street Brown Shirts. To enforce their will.
I have no time for them at all
“street Brown Shirts”.
Crushingly nicknamed the Black Pampers by Kellie-Jay Keen.
“street Brown Shirts”.
Crushingly nicknamed the Black Pampers by Kellie-Jay Keen.
The LGB mob were pretty harmless and generally good corporate citizens. But along came the T and it all changed to any one who didn’t treat them with simpering adoration, would have their employment and personal safety threatened. And they had their own Troll stable and street Brown Shirts. To enforce their will.
I have no time for them at all
This is excellent. Thank you.
Ditto.
Ditto.
This is excellent. Thank you.
Can’t help but think that when the author wrote “pride month is coming to an end” that he should have added “and there was much rejoicing”. This year has definitely seen the most visible backlash to it that I can remember. At best, I think most people are just fed up with it. They’ll tut and sigh with exasperation, but the moment anyone from HR, their child’s teacher, social media accounts with the name displayed etc appears, they’ll feign enthusiasm. The number of people who go all out and celebrate it all month must be an ever diminishing amount of people. It should only be a day or a week at the very, very most. No other cause gets such a ludicrous amount of time dedicated to it as Pride.
On a note about homophobia and such increasing, I remember speaking to a teacher on Twitter from West Yorkshire who stated as far as his school is concerned, it has been getting worse. Originally it started out with children from Muslim and Eastern European backgrounds whom the teachers were reluctant to discipline because of “culture” (Lol) and then the White British kids started doing it. As the latter group pointed out, why should they be punished when Abdul and Stefan are doing and saying the same things with no repercussions? Interesting times ahead…
I wonder how many of Fanshawe’s “wider population” wish the Pridesters would all just go back in the closet (discretion being the better part of valour and all that).
Children have a natural aversion to homosexuality. I remember being taught this stuff in school and thinking it was icky.
With all due respect, Julian, you found it “icky” because you are heterosexual. I do believe that some people are “born gay”. I’ve watched children who are clearly same-sex attracted. I’m not against children being exposed to this at an appropriate age and think it’s wrong to teach them it is “wrong”. But when it comes to teaching them that some people are “born in the wrong body”, that’s wicked.
No one is born gay. In spite of years of efforts to discover a “gay gene,” mostly by scientists who are themselves gay, nothing has been found. Many little girls and young girls have an affinity for each other, hold hands, and even develop crushes. This doesn’t mean they are gay. Once they reach puberty they remain same sex friends while (mostly) gravitating to males for romance and marriage. Little boys sometimes exhibit similar behavior when very young, but drop it when they enter the rough and tough world of typical male play and competition.
They most certainly have found connections in the brain are quite different for gays. There is a wide consensus that the hormones and chemistry in the uterine environment is critical to the likelihood that a child will grow up to be gay. They’ve also found that if you are male and you have a number off older brothers, you are statistically more likely to be. And like most everything, experience in the world shapes a person as well, it’s just absurd to ignore the endogenous and possible genetic contributions and make a statement as bold as “no one is born gay”.
I guess the response would be, does all that make it so they cant have heterosexual relationships?
So what it comes down to is that there is alot of choice involved.
Maybe that is the scariest part?
Claims linked to brain differences, hormones, and uterine environment have all come undone. Twin studies have disproved a lot of the so-called science.
I guess the response would be, does all that make it so they cant have heterosexual relationships?
So what it comes down to is that there is alot of choice involved.
Maybe that is the scariest part?
Claims linked to brain differences, hormones, and uterine environment have all come undone. Twin studies have disproved a lot of the so-called science.
They most certainly have found connections in the brain are quite different for gays. There is a wide consensus that the hormones and chemistry in the uterine environment is critical to the likelihood that a child will grow up to be gay. They’ve also found that if you are male and you have a number off older brothers, you are statistically more likely to be. And like most everything, experience in the world shapes a person as well, it’s just absurd to ignore the endogenous and possible genetic contributions and make a statement as bold as “no one is born gay”.
But it’s true not wicked. Children are taught that dead people go to heaven and are looking over them. which is not true and far more “wicked”
No one is born gay. In spite of years of efforts to discover a “gay gene,” mostly by scientists who are themselves gay, nothing has been found. Many little girls and young girls have an affinity for each other, hold hands, and even develop crushes. This doesn’t mean they are gay. Once they reach puberty they remain same sex friends while (mostly) gravitating to males for romance and marriage. Little boys sometimes exhibit similar behavior when very young, but drop it when they enter the rough and tough world of typical male play and competition.
But it’s true not wicked. Children are taught that dead people go to heaven and are looking over them. which is not true and far more “wicked”
Children think that lip to lip kissing, let alone actual sex is icky – don’t you remember?
No, I don’t remember that.
No, I don’t remember that.
In my experience, children between the ages of about five and fourteen think that all sex is icky. This is what Freud called the latency period. It makes good evolutionary sense – they should avoid it until they’re physically ready for it.
Children have a natural aversion to sex and to the idea of adults engaging in sexual acts, not to the concept of sexual orientation.
With all due respect, Julian, you found it “icky” because you are heterosexual. I do believe that some people are “born gay”. I’ve watched children who are clearly same-sex attracted. I’m not against children being exposed to this at an appropriate age and think it’s wrong to teach them it is “wrong”. But when it comes to teaching them that some people are “born in the wrong body”, that’s wicked.
Children think that lip to lip kissing, let alone actual sex is icky – don’t you remember?
In my experience, children between the ages of about five and fourteen think that all sex is icky. This is what Freud called the latency period. It makes good evolutionary sense – they should avoid it until they’re physically ready for it.
Children have a natural aversion to sex and to the idea of adults engaging in sexual acts, not to the concept of sexual orientation.
Why would anyone feign enthusiasm about their child’s teacher advocating sadistic child abuse?
I wonder how many of Fanshawe’s “wider population” wish the Pridesters would all just go back in the closet (discretion being the better part of valour and all that).
Children have a natural aversion to homosexuality. I remember being taught this stuff in school and thinking it was icky.
Why would anyone feign enthusiasm about their child’s teacher advocating sadistic child abuse?
Can’t help but think that when the author wrote “pride month is coming to an end” that he should have added “and there was much rejoicing”. This year has definitely seen the most visible backlash to it that I can remember. At best, I think most people are just fed up with it. They’ll tut and sigh with exasperation, but the moment anyone from HR, their child’s teacher, social media accounts with the name displayed etc appears, they’ll feign enthusiasm. The number of people who go all out and celebrate it all month must be an ever diminishing amount of people. It should only be a day or a week at the very, very most. No other cause gets such a ludicrous amount of time dedicated to it as Pride.
On a note about homophobia and such increasing, I remember speaking to a teacher on Twitter from West Yorkshire who stated as far as his school is concerned, it has been getting worse. Originally it started out with children from Muslim and Eastern European backgrounds whom the teachers were reluctant to discipline because of “culture” (Lol) and then the White British kids started doing it. As the latter group pointed out, why should they be punished when Abdul and Stefan are doing and saying the same things with no repercussions? Interesting times ahead…
Excellent article.
For me, the key point is that the original Stonewall movement deliberately aimed to bring everyone with them, gay and straight. Indeed, arguably, all successful social movements have done that. That is the contrast with the current Trans fascists: they intend to dragoon the world into thinking (or at least pretending to) their way.
Any decent movement that becomes popular gets infiltrated by Marxists with an antihuman agenda. Environmentalism was great until it became an antihuman cult screaming for “net zero”. Black lives matter was an awesome grass roots movement in LA until it became an anti-white terrorist organisation. Feminism broke important ground for women until it became a vehicle for Big Pharma. Stonewall the same. People need to take back their movements and get the fascists out of them!
I’d say feminism made positive changes for women until it embraced ‘sex work is work’ and decided porn and pole dancing were ’empowering’ along with equality being the right to behave as badly as some men ie ‘ladette’ culture. At that point it totally lost the plot.
That’s liberal feminism. Liberal feminists also support extreme trans activism. Radical feminists disagree with them about all these issues.
Er, you appear to be getting this weird labelling from trans activists, who call any woman who knows what a woman is a ‘Trans-exclusionary radical feminist’ or TERF. A nonsense acronym that has nothing to do with radicallism or feminism. And ‘liberal feminism’ for fs? Seriously? You’d call Judith Butler liberal? Finally, I don’t know a single person who uses either phrase of any woman – and I was there doing it, not talking about it, in the 70s.
Er, you appear to be getting this weird labelling from trans activists, who call any woman who knows what a woman is a ‘Trans-exclusionary radical feminist’ or TERF. A nonsense acronym that has nothing to do with radicallism or feminism. And ‘liberal feminism’ for fs? Seriously? You’d call Judith Butler liberal? Finally, I don’t know a single person who uses either phrase of any woman – and I was there doing it, not talking about it, in the 70s.
Agreed. We oldie ‘second wave feminists’ or ‘TERFs’ were drowned out by academics building gender-based career strategies. Hence ‘fourth-wave feminists’ all over academia, telling us that simply being born male makes you a poisonous creature.
Hi Coralie. Exactly this. I’m tempted these days to revert to call ing myself a ‘womens libber’ rather than a feminist, so toxic has the f word become.
I could weep when I look at what 50 years of self important, self appointed high priestesses have done to what was achieved.
Hi Coralie. Exactly this. I’m tempted these days to revert to call ing myself a ‘womens libber’ rather than a feminist, so toxic has the f word become.
I could weep when I look at what 50 years of self important, self appointed high priestesses have done to what was achieved.
That’s liberal feminism. Liberal feminists also support extreme trans activism. Radical feminists disagree with them about all these issues.
Agreed. We oldie ‘second wave feminists’ or ‘TERFs’ were drowned out by academics building gender-based career strategies. Hence ‘fourth-wave feminists’ all over academia, telling us that simply being born male makes you a poisonous creature.
Absolutely agree with this sentiment, the gracefully written article, and every comment I’ve read thus far. I also subscribe to the “true trans” sensibility, and it’s not hard to tell the difference. It’s not always mental illness or misogyny that makes the others trans (though often it is), some do it as a political statement, and others as a kind of fad. Some (generally girls) just don’t want the sexual attention, and some kids just wanna play “look at me!!!” And capitalism chugs right along with it to satisfy some sort of social equity score and it seems like the whole western world has a bloody mind virus. I’m so angry for the LGBs and legit Ts who are already experiencing the discrimination we fought so hard to overcome.
I’d say feminism made positive changes for women until it embraced ‘sex work is work’ and decided porn and pole dancing were ’empowering’ along with equality being the right to behave as badly as some men ie ‘ladette’ culture. At that point it totally lost the plot.
Absolutely agree with this sentiment, the gracefully written article, and every comment I’ve read thus far. I also subscribe to the “true trans” sensibility, and it’s not hard to tell the difference. It’s not always mental illness or misogyny that makes the others trans (though often it is), some do it as a political statement, and others as a kind of fad. Some (generally girls) just don’t want the sexual attention, and some kids just wanna play “look at me!!!” And capitalism chugs right along with it to satisfy some sort of social equity score and it seems like the whole western world has a bloody mind virus. I’m so angry for the LGBs and legit Ts who are already experiencing the discrimination we fought so hard to overcome.
Read a piece once about the original gay rights activist in the 60s US, not the university trained loons (who were pretty much the same back then I guess) but genuine people who wanted to change society for the better.
And so different from the current fascists as you put it, not just trans but all of them.
Those gay people, back then, were thorough gentlemen, civil, decent, well mannered, acted with decorum despite the far more actual bigotry that they faced.
And look at what we have now….
Luckily for those “gentlemen” they are no longer around for people to interrogate them on their publicly stated desire for the legalisation of sexual intercourse between adult men and children. The history of gay liberation has been thoroughly whitewashed but, for now, archives still record their depraved intent.
Luckily for those “gentlemen” they are no longer around for people to interrogate them on their publicly stated desire for the legalisation of sexual intercourse between adult men and children. The history of gay liberation has been thoroughly whitewashed but, for now, archives still record their depraved intent.
Forgive me if my memory fails me, but was not one of the earlier activities of Stonewall the ‘outing’ of people who really did not want to be in the full glare of the light? That was hardly the act of a group who aimed to bring everyone with them ‘down with them’, perhaps)
I remember forming the impression early on that Stonewall was a bunch of rather nasty bullying types – or perhaps I was just over influenced by my impresson from the media of Peter Tatchell.
No, Stonewall didn’t do that and Tatchell wasn’t a member of it anyway. He founded ‘Outrage’ or some such similarly named group. I think he did ‘out’ people, although to be fair, only those who were gay and not only pretended not to be, but actively worked against equality, such as some Church of England bishops and the like.
Thank you : I stand corrected.
Thank you : I stand corrected.
No, Stonewall didn’t do that and Tatchell wasn’t a member of it anyway. He founded ‘Outrage’ or some such similarly named group. I think he did ‘out’ people, although to be fair, only those who were gay and not only pretended not to be, but actively worked against equality, such as some Church of England bishops and the like.
Any decent movement that becomes popular gets infiltrated by Marxists with an antihuman agenda. Environmentalism was great until it became an antihuman cult screaming for “net zero”. Black lives matter was an awesome grass roots movement in LA until it became an anti-white terrorist organisation. Feminism broke important ground for women until it became a vehicle for Big Pharma. Stonewall the same. People need to take back their movements and get the fascists out of them!
Read a piece once about the original gay rights activist in the 60s US, not the university trained loons (who were pretty much the same back then I guess) but genuine people who wanted to change society for the better.
And so different from the current fascists as you put it, not just trans but all of them.
Those gay people, back then, were thorough gentlemen, civil, decent, well mannered, acted with decorum despite the far more actual bigotry that they faced.
And look at what we have now….
Forgive me if my memory fails me, but was not one of the earlier activities of Stonewall the ‘outing’ of people who really did not want to be in the full glare of the light? That was hardly the act of a group who aimed to bring everyone with them ‘down with them’, perhaps)
I remember forming the impression early on that Stonewall was a bunch of rather nasty bullying types – or perhaps I was just over influenced by my impresson from the media of Peter Tatchell.
Excellent article.
For me, the key point is that the original Stonewall movement deliberately aimed to bring everyone with them, gay and straight. Indeed, arguably, all successful social movements have done that. That is the contrast with the current Trans fascists: they intend to dragoon the world into thinking (or at least pretending to) their way.
Anyone else think that this wave of trans activists is in part fueled by a culture that puts oppressed people on a pedestal?
I mean, we have created or allowed to be created, a culture that almost worships being a victim of oppression. If you create that, then there are going to be people who want to be important or noticed and who therefore are going to want to join a “marginalized group”.
Well, you cannot change your race but you can change your sexual orientation or declare yourself a woman.
I would be a lot more convinced if a lot of these adult trans activists actually went all the way through with the transition. Leave the kids out of it.
My suspicion is that a whole lot of these adult trans activists who have not actually transitioned are not, deep down, committed to it, they just want to play a role, engage in cosplay and have a reason to rage at the world and make other people miserable while gaining attention.
Anyone else think that this wave of trans activists is in part fueled by a culture that puts oppressed people on a pedestal?
I mean, we have created or allowed to be created, a culture that almost worships being a victim of oppression. If you create that, then there are going to be people who want to be important or noticed and who therefore are going to want to join a “marginalized group”.
Well, you cannot change your race but you can change your sexual orientation or declare yourself a woman.
I would be a lot more convinced if a lot of these adult trans activists actually went all the way through with the transition. Leave the kids out of it.
My suspicion is that a whole lot of these adult trans activists who have not actually transitioned are not, deep down, committed to it, they just want to play a role, engage in cosplay and have a reason to rage at the world and make other people miserable while gaining attention.
The LGB banner and pride flag isn’t some sort of cooperative where each L, G and B gets a vote. From its earliest days, the LGB banner has been tightly controlled by a corporate-like network of self-appointed franchisees such as Stonewall UK. 95% of gay people are simply useful consumers of franchisee-controlled events harvested for their money like any other business would. Most recently, these franchisees have entered into public-private partnerships with local and national governments.
Grassroots L, G and B are far removed from influencing what is done under the LGB banner and pride flag. Now the state has invested in this, opting out and boycotting isn’t an option for any of us. L, G and B will be “inclusive” with T and whatever else government decides, whether you like it or not. And if you disagree, prepare to be shamed and ostracised. The revolution is eating its own children.
The LGB banner and pride flag isn’t some sort of cooperative where each L, G and B gets a vote. From its earliest days, the LGB banner has been tightly controlled by a corporate-like network of self-appointed franchisees such as Stonewall UK. 95% of gay people are simply useful consumers of franchisee-controlled events harvested for their money like any other business would. Most recently, these franchisees have entered into public-private partnerships with local and national governments.
Grassroots L, G and B are far removed from influencing what is done under the LGB banner and pride flag. Now the state has invested in this, opting out and boycotting isn’t an option for any of us. L, G and B will be “inclusive” with T and whatever else government decides, whether you like it or not. And if you disagree, prepare to be shamed and ostracised. The revolution is eating its own children.
Definitely time for a divorce. I should think that the ‘T’ meaning transsexual will want to separate themselves from the transgender. The latter, with their outrageous demands and bullying are setting the clock back for everyone.
Definitely time for a divorce. I should think that the ‘T’ meaning transsexual will want to separate themselves from the transgender. The latter, with their outrageous demands and bullying are setting the clock back for everyone.
“That was the explicit objective of the Gender Recognition Act (GRA), which was designed to enable trans people to live quiet lives, precisely without being noticed as different. ”
How many such people do exist? Unless they had extensive reconstructing surgeries, I would expect you would almost always know full well the sex of the person in front of you. Unless you are saying that only the very small subset of people who could pass as the opposite sex should/could get one such certificate.
And what about booking for a prostate exam or a mammogram? They would get all the wrong information if their birth certificate was to be changed – but I suppose if the numbers were very small indeed you could probably deal with it.
Some very good points here
“I would expect you would almost always know full well the sex of the person in front of you”
You’ve never been to Thailand clearly!
That’s true. But east Asian men generally have what we westerners consider a more ‘feminine’ facial appearance and build in the first place. With people of European descent the difference in appearance between the sexes is far more pronounced. This is important because for society to function we have to respond to visual cues. Where there’s a ‘legal fiction’ that doesn’t correspond to the visual cue, we will generally let it go out of politeness. Or we did in the past. Self id drives a coach and horses through this by creating jarring visual absurdities that we’re required to play along with. This is society-destroying (and that’s the aim, in my view).
Even in Thailand, there are tells.
Visiting Westerners have a hard time distinguishing them, but locals don’t. And funnily enough, there’s a much greater understanding that they’re men pretending to be women, not a different kind of women, despite ‘passing’ better to us.
That’s true. But east Asian men generally have what we westerners consider a more ‘feminine’ facial appearance and build in the first place. With people of European descent the difference in appearance between the sexes is far more pronounced. This is important because for society to function we have to respond to visual cues. Where there’s a ‘legal fiction’ that doesn’t correspond to the visual cue, we will generally let it go out of politeness. Or we did in the past. Self id drives a coach and horses through this by creating jarring visual absurdities that we’re required to play along with. This is society-destroying (and that’s the aim, in my view).
Even in Thailand, there are tells.
Visiting Westerners have a hard time distinguishing them, but locals don’t. And funnily enough, there’s a much greater understanding that they’re men pretending to be women, not a different kind of women, despite ‘passing’ better to us.
If I remember correctly, there was a time when being ‘transitioned’ (from male to…castrated male with additional cosmetic surgeries and cross-sex hormone injections) was reserved for those men whom the doctors believed had a reasonable chance of being able to ‘pass’ convincingly (ie successfully mimic the opposite sex). It was also reserved for gay men who couldn’t accept themselves as gay men, not the endless stream of largely straight fetishists who have taken over (hence the vestigial association with ‘LGB’).
Very good points.
I remember the trans-identified gay males from back in the day. They were accepted in gay clubs and the such. It was instinctively understood that they were feminised gay men who felt more at ease accepting themselves as transwomen. This was the case with certain butch lesbians too, some of whom adopted male personas.
This is why “T” never needed to be added to LGB. They were already accepted — that is, those who were a natural extension of the community because they were, in essence, gay people with trans identities.
When the trans activists added the T, they discounted this. Instead they sought an infiltration of gay spaces by fetishists, hetero cross-dressers, androgynous (sorry, “non-binary”) straights, and other non-conformists whose non-conformity has f-all to do with being same-sex-attracted.
Very good points.
I remember the trans-identified gay males from back in the day. They were accepted in gay clubs and the such. It was instinctively understood that they were feminised gay men who felt more at ease accepting themselves as transwomen. This was the case with certain butch lesbians too, some of whom adopted male personas.
This is why “T” never needed to be added to LGB. They were already accepted — that is, those who were a natural extension of the community because they were, in essence, gay people with trans identities.
When the trans activists added the T, they discounted this. Instead they sought an infiltration of gay spaces by fetishists, hetero cross-dressers, androgynous (sorry, “non-binary”) straights, and other non-conformists whose non-conformity has f-all to do with being same-sex-attracted.
I don’t think very many trans people can actually pass unless they took hormones before puberty. Particularly M to F. Both men and women see males as a potential threat and we have evolved to make that the first thing we determine when we see another person.
They do get the wrong information, and you don’t need a GRC for it to happen. The NHS gives us a new number way way before we would even be eligible for a GRC and effectively hides our medical history from most medical practitioners. I wish they wouldn’t, or would at least put a big T in the “sex” box.
I’ve only just stopped receiving letters inviting me for smear tests (I don’t have a cervix). At a normal HRT review the nurse asked me if I’d had a hysterectomy (oestrogen only HRT) and the funniest one was when I did need a mammogram (lump) and I said to the doctor “of course they are still growing” She looked at me over her glasses and said “Well that’s not normal at your age”
Obviously I explain that I’m biologically male when these things happen.
The saddest story I ever heard in this vein, however, was of a Trans Man giving birth to a still born baby. There was nothing in the medical information to suggest that “he” may be pregnant. If there was the baby might have been saved.
There are far harder challenges being a T person than telling a medical practitioner your biological sex – people who believe otherwise need to get over themselves
So well said.
So well said.
The numbers have always been small. And the “lady” down the street who has broad shoulders and walks a given way generally just wants to be left alone. She would rather live as she wishes without a lot of attention. She would never been seen at a pride parade; most of us give a glance and go about our business. Her doctor is aware and treats appropriately.
Perhaps worth repeating – that person hardly wants to be noticed. Very unlike the folk dancing in drag.
Some very good points here
“I would expect you would almost always know full well the sex of the person in front of you”
You’ve never been to Thailand clearly!
If I remember correctly, there was a time when being ‘transitioned’ (from male to…castrated male with additional cosmetic surgeries and cross-sex hormone injections) was reserved for those men whom the doctors believed had a reasonable chance of being able to ‘pass’ convincingly (ie successfully mimic the opposite sex). It was also reserved for gay men who couldn’t accept themselves as gay men, not the endless stream of largely straight fetishists who have taken over (hence the vestigial association with ‘LGB’).
I don’t think very many trans people can actually pass unless they took hormones before puberty. Particularly M to F. Both men and women see males as a potential threat and we have evolved to make that the first thing we determine when we see another person.
They do get the wrong information, and you don’t need a GRC for it to happen. The NHS gives us a new number way way before we would even be eligible for a GRC and effectively hides our medical history from most medical practitioners. I wish they wouldn’t, or would at least put a big T in the “sex” box.
I’ve only just stopped receiving letters inviting me for smear tests (I don’t have a cervix). At a normal HRT review the nurse asked me if I’d had a hysterectomy (oestrogen only HRT) and the funniest one was when I did need a mammogram (lump) and I said to the doctor “of course they are still growing” She looked at me over her glasses and said “Well that’s not normal at your age”
Obviously I explain that I’m biologically male when these things happen.
The saddest story I ever heard in this vein, however, was of a Trans Man giving birth to a still born baby. There was nothing in the medical information to suggest that “he” may be pregnant. If there was the baby might have been saved.
There are far harder challenges being a T person than telling a medical practitioner your biological sex – people who believe otherwise need to get over themselves
The numbers have always been small. And the “lady” down the street who has broad shoulders and walks a given way generally just wants to be left alone. She would rather live as she wishes without a lot of attention. She would never been seen at a pride parade; most of us give a glance and go about our business. Her doctor is aware and treats appropriately.
Perhaps worth repeating – that person hardly wants to be noticed. Very unlike the folk dancing in drag.
“That was the explicit objective of the Gender Recognition Act (GRA), which was designed to enable trans people to live quiet lives, precisely without being noticed as different. ”
How many such people do exist? Unless they had extensive reconstructing surgeries, I would expect you would almost always know full well the sex of the person in front of you. Unless you are saying that only the very small subset of people who could pass as the opposite sex should/could get one such certificate.
And what about booking for a prostate exam or a mammogram? They would get all the wrong information if their birth certificate was to be changed – but I suppose if the numbers were very small indeed you could probably deal with it.
Trans is an illogical farce.
Gender identity is a synonym for rigid 1950s men and women stereotypes.
Surely such stereotypes can be addressed socially – instead of accepting and even glorifying in such social stereotypes and then using them to justify the mutilation of adolescents.
There is no trans, just bigots who refuse to admit they’re gay, cowards who refuse to admit they’re gay, and faddish attention seekers for whom mere gayness is a bit old hat.
Trans is a form of creeping cancellation, both of women and of gay people.
Most of the so-called trans folk need help, not encouragement.
Trans is an illogical farce.
Gender identity is a synonym for rigid 1950s men and women stereotypes.
Surely such stereotypes can be addressed socially – instead of accepting and even glorifying in such social stereotypes and then using them to justify the mutilation of adolescents.
There is no trans, just bigots who refuse to admit they’re gay, cowards who refuse to admit they’re gay, and faddish attention seekers for whom mere gayness is a bit old hat.
Trans is a form of creeping cancellation, both of women and of gay people.
Most of the so-called trans folk need help, not encouragement.
A civilised thoughtful commentary on the LBG – T divide. There is more than one unintended consequence however. The Christine Goodwin case has led to the replacement of original birth certificates with a lying alternative, which cannot be right.
“Sex assigned at birth” is another misleading phrase used to imply that the people in the delivery ward made a guess about the newborn’s future propensity to prefer dolls to trucks. That is not a true description of the determination of natal sex, and to pretend otherwise is obfuscation.
Simon Fanshawe is spot on about the chasm between the activists and the people they are supposed to be champions for.
A civilised thoughtful commentary on the LBG – T divide. There is more than one unintended consequence however. The Christine Goodwin case has led to the replacement of original birth certificates with a lying alternative, which cannot be right.
“Sex assigned at birth” is another misleading phrase used to imply that the people in the delivery ward made a guess about the newborn’s future propensity to prefer dolls to trucks. That is not a true description of the determination of natal sex, and to pretend otherwise is obfuscation.
Simon Fanshawe is spot on about the chasm between the activists and the people they are supposed to be champions for.
Wait till the whole lot of them find out what their muslim “brothers”, a bedrock of the combined leftist alliance against boring white old men, really think of LG etc etc
Wait till the whole lot of them find out what their muslim “brothers”, a bedrock of the combined leftist alliance against boring white old men, really think of LG etc etc
Great article but I have to admit to being a little taken aback by ““heterosexual drag”.
Why is it necessary that I know your sexual orientation?
Why do the rest of us need to see you or anyone as gay when we meet you?
Why is that any more relevant or appropriate to put up front than for me to share my sexual proclivities with you or anyone else in my daily interactions?
When did we decide as a society that sexual orientation, sexual preferences, should no longer be private?
Seems to me that “heterosexual drag” is just a way of saying you go through life without your sexual orientation being front and center of how you present to the world.
I do not see why it is relevant to any interaction with other people unless you WANT it to be and to be honest most of us just do not care.
‘Great article but I have to admit to being a little taken aback by ““heterosexual drag”.’
This is because even Fanshawe, representing the respectable part of the rainbow people, chafes against the mores and behaviours of the majority. There is a social cost to the gays of mainstreaming LGB – they have to behave themselves publicly, which for a historically transgressive movement is not easy to do.
‘Great article but I have to admit to being a little taken aback by ““heterosexual drag”.’
This is because even Fanshawe, representing the respectable part of the rainbow people, chafes against the mores and behaviours of the majority. There is a social cost to the gays of mainstreaming LGB – they have to behave themselves publicly, which for a historically transgressive movement is not easy to do.
Great article but I have to admit to being a little taken aback by ““heterosexual drag”.
Why is it necessary that I know your sexual orientation?
Why do the rest of us need to see you or anyone as gay when we meet you?
Why is that any more relevant or appropriate to put up front than for me to share my sexual proclivities with you or anyone else in my daily interactions?
When did we decide as a society that sexual orientation, sexual preferences, should no longer be private?
Seems to me that “heterosexual drag” is just a way of saying you go through life without your sexual orientation being front and center of how you present to the world.
I do not see why it is relevant to any interaction with other people unless you WANT it to be and to be honest most of us just do not care.
I can’t believe that any gay activist can write an article on this subject that doesn’t rage against the homophobia of the trans movement. They are literally teaching gay kids that there is something wrong with their bodies and then butchering them. This is not to mention perverted men who have tacked on tits talking about the oppression of the cotton ceiling. This is about as regressive as it gets.
Agreed. The blatent homophobia and misogyny of modern transactivism (which combine to especially harm lesbians) need to be called out. It’s not just that we’re (LGB) different from T, but that we oppose gender ideology as harmful to vulnerable groups we wish to protect. The idea of such destruction being done in our name (via the bastardized acronym, so uncritically adopted by mainstream media) is intolerable.
Agreed. The blatent homophobia and misogyny of modern transactivism (which combine to especially harm lesbians) need to be called out. It’s not just that we’re (LGB) different from T, but that we oppose gender ideology as harmful to vulnerable groups we wish to protect. The idea of such destruction being done in our name (via the bastardized acronym, so uncritically adopted by mainstream media) is intolerable.
I can’t believe that any gay activist can write an article on this subject that doesn’t rage against the homophobia of the trans movement. They are literally teaching gay kids that there is something wrong with their bodies and then butchering them. This is not to mention perverted men who have tacked on tits talking about the oppression of the cotton ceiling. This is about as regressive as it gets.
Beautifully written !
No truer words than that the LGB movement was first about righting a wrong but also about ensuring freedom for everyone…
Who in a free society has the right to tell any adult who they should or should not love / engage intimately.
Do you have the right to tell an adult not to watch porn in front of kids, engage in sexual activities in public or have sex with a minor? Or disapprove if they have an affair with, say, their brother’s wife?
No one has the right to discriminate or use violence against someone based on who they sleep with, agreed.
But you absolutely have the right to voice disapproval of what some people do or how they behave.
Freedom also means that if a Christian believes that homosexuality is bad, he has the right to express that opinion.
You may not like his view or agree with him or her, but he should have the right to say it.
And the problem is precisely that you couldn’t openly say that, or for instance, tell women or blacks that listen, if you aren’t doing well in a particular field, it’s you who is not capable enough, not “ism”…
Because saying so would apparently cause “harm” and hurt “feelings”….
And that sentiment is what led to today, where telling trans that no, they can’t enter women’s toilets or play in women’s sports, because that would cause “harm” and constitutes “hate”.
Well said.
That’s it exactly. I call it ‘toxic niceness’, because it is not rooted in actually being nice, but in being perceived as such by an ‘in-group’.
Yes, Samir, that’s a very important distinction. There’s a huge difference between tolerance (which relies ultimately not only on democracy but also on compassion) and relativism (which emerges from indifference or cynicism).
I would add only by saying (by no means for the first time, I admit, on UnHerd) that no liberal democracy can function effectively merely by counting votes. Democracy must avoid not one but two forms of tyranny. Most people would acknowledge by now that any tyranny of the majority (by class, race, religion, language, sex and so on) can lead to persecuting minorities and thus undermine the moral essence of democracy. But many people still don’t acknowledge that any tyranny of (allied) minorities can undermine it just as dangerously, because that can lead to intimidating the majority and thus ignoring the needs of society as a whole.
We’re all minorities in one way another. I am, not only as a gay man but also as a Jew (and several other things). Some people dislike or disapprove of me, therefore, but I don’t really care–not unless they endanger me physically. This is partly because the laws of a democratic state protect me from violence, or should do so, but also because self-respect itself cannot be conferred by any state or institution. On the contrary, it must come ultimately from within.
But woke activists, including transgender activists, reject this point of view. They demand a perfect, utopian, society (from their own point of view). Gay activists don’t, or at least didn’t until very recently. Those who do have earned not self-esteem but shame.
Well said.
That’s it exactly. I call it ‘toxic niceness’, because it is not rooted in actually being nice, but in being perceived as such by an ‘in-group’.
Yes, Samir, that’s a very important distinction. There’s a huge difference between tolerance (which relies ultimately not only on democracy but also on compassion) and relativism (which emerges from indifference or cynicism).
I would add only by saying (by no means for the first time, I admit, on UnHerd) that no liberal democracy can function effectively merely by counting votes. Democracy must avoid not one but two forms of tyranny. Most people would acknowledge by now that any tyranny of the majority (by class, race, religion, language, sex and so on) can lead to persecuting minorities and thus undermine the moral essence of democracy. But many people still don’t acknowledge that any tyranny of (allied) minorities can undermine it just as dangerously, because that can lead to intimidating the majority and thus ignoring the needs of society as a whole.
We’re all minorities in one way another. I am, not only as a gay man but also as a Jew (and several other things). Some people dislike or disapprove of me, therefore, but I don’t really care–not unless they endanger me physically. This is partly because the laws of a democratic state protect me from violence, or should do so, but also because self-respect itself cannot be conferred by any state or institution. On the contrary, it must come ultimately from within.
But woke activists, including transgender activists, reject this point of view. They demand a perfect, utopian, society (from their own point of view). Gay activists don’t, or at least didn’t until very recently. Those who do have earned not self-esteem but shame.
Children? Incest? Vulnerable adults? Sex is dynamite and society rightly draws some boundaries.
Do you have the right to tell an adult not to watch porn in front of kids, engage in sexual activities in public or have sex with a minor? Or disapprove if they have an affair with, say, their brother’s wife?
No one has the right to discriminate or use violence against someone based on who they sleep with, agreed.
But you absolutely have the right to voice disapproval of what some people do or how they behave.
Freedom also means that if a Christian believes that homosexuality is bad, he has the right to express that opinion.
You may not like his view or agree with him or her, but he should have the right to say it.
And the problem is precisely that you couldn’t openly say that, or for instance, tell women or blacks that listen, if you aren’t doing well in a particular field, it’s you who is not capable enough, not “ism”…
Because saying so would apparently cause “harm” and hurt “feelings”….
And that sentiment is what led to today, where telling trans that no, they can’t enter women’s toilets or play in women’s sports, because that would cause “harm” and constitutes “hate”.
Children? Incest? Vulnerable adults? Sex is dynamite and society rightly draws some boundaries.
Beautifully written !
No truer words than that the LGB movement was first about righting a wrong but also about ensuring freedom for everyone…
Who in a free society has the right to tell any adult who they should or should not love / engage intimately.
Really? Have ‘the wider population’ been given any opportunity to offer their views on the acceptance by ‘our’ institutions of same-sex relationships? Not at all. We have been schooled by our moral and intellectual superiors that failure to uncritically accept same-sex attraction (and the sexual activities involved) simply marks you out as a small minded bigot. A highly influential elite have pushed through major social and political changes without ever bothering about anything so trivial as the agreement of the wider population. Now that IS damaging to democracy.
Really? Have ‘the wider population’ been given any opportunity to offer their views on the acceptance by ‘our’ institutions of same-sex relationships? Not at all. We have been schooled by our moral and intellectual superiors that failure to uncritically accept same-sex attraction (and the sexual activities involved) simply marks you out as a small minded bigot. A highly influential elite have pushed through major social and political changes without ever bothering about anything so trivial as the agreement of the wider population. Now that IS damaging to democracy.
Excellent article. Introducing same sex marriage legislation earlier would have removed the need for the GRA and, once it had been introduced, the GRA should have been repealed and the ‘gender reassignment’ Protected Characteristic removed from the Equality Act.
The legislation creates a legal fiction, and that is never a good idea. It does not, however, challenge the primacy of biological sex or that it is binary. ‘Gender Identity’ theory has now swamped public institutions and needs to be plucked out by the roots.
Excellent article. Introducing same sex marriage legislation earlier would have removed the need for the GRA and, once it had been introduced, the GRA should have been repealed and the ‘gender reassignment’ Protected Characteristic removed from the Equality Act.
The legislation creates a legal fiction, and that is never a good idea. It does not, however, challenge the primacy of biological sex or that it is binary. ‘Gender Identity’ theory has now swamped public institutions and needs to be plucked out by the roots.
This insanity has pushed gay rights back a century in the non Western world.
This insanity has pushed gay rights back a century in the non Western world.
Lovely phrase.
D’you know, I’ve been looking for a way of paring down or at least summarising some of the letters in the ever-expanding alphabet. What about “Lesbian, Gay, and the Conspicuously Belligerent” – LGCB?
And we could call them the “CBeebies”.
If it catches on, remember you saw it here first.
Just to let you know where I stand, I’d vote for anyone who would ban CB.
Lovely phrase.
D’you know, I’ve been looking for a way of paring down or at least summarising some of the letters in the ever-expanding alphabet. What about “Lesbian, Gay, and the Conspicuously Belligerent” – LGCB?
And we could call them the “CBeebies”.
If it catches on, remember you saw it here first.
Just to let you know where I stand, I’d vote for anyone who would ban CB.
The value of Bill Clinton’s much derided “don’t ask, don’t tell” for the US military in many ways reflects this excellent commentary: 1) your sexuality is none of my business, 2) no one needs to hear about your sexuality. Sexuality is irrelevant to the mission. Minding one’s own business (“to live quiet lives” as Fanshawe so elegantly puts it) is arguably the first principle of civilization.
The value of Bill Clinton’s much derided “don’t ask, don’t tell” for the US military in many ways reflects this excellent commentary: 1) your sexuality is none of my business, 2) no one needs to hear about your sexuality. Sexuality is irrelevant to the mission. Minding one’s own business (“to live quiet lives” as Fanshawe so elegantly puts it) is arguably the first principle of civilization.
Sorry, chum. LGBT is the educated class counting the number of genders on the head of a pin. Know what I mean.
Sorry, chum. LGBT is the educated class counting the number of genders on the head of a pin. Know what I mean.
A well presented argument. It underplays one major issue. Most of the objection is to male bodied trans people wanting access to women’s spaces like toilets, showers etc- and sports.
But where are the Trans female bodied people fighting to get into mens showers, toilets and sports ? There seem to be virtually none.
And this disparity obviously invites a questioning of the male bodied groups real motives.
A well presented argument. It underplays one major issue. Most of the objection is to male bodied trans people wanting access to women’s spaces like toilets, showers etc- and sports.
But where are the Trans female bodied people fighting to get into mens showers, toilets and sports ? There seem to be virtually none.
And this disparity obviously invites a questioning of the male bodied groups real motives.
Excellent piece Simon. The last thing I want to do is wave a flag and march to show people I’m not who I appear to be!
In a progressive society with legal same sex marriage and the Equality Act it could be argued that the GRA is no longer required, I certainly feel no need for a GRC – the passport office and DVLA provide enough evidence to sustain my legal fiction.
The heart of the problem is that the gender ideologues don’t believe in gender reassignment, they believe in gender identity, which seems to negate the inconvenience of shaving for “Transwomen”.
Excellent piece Simon. The last thing I want to do is wave a flag and march to show people I’m not who I appear to be!
In a progressive society with legal same sex marriage and the Equality Act it could be argued that the GRA is no longer required, I certainly feel no need for a GRC – the passport office and DVLA provide enough evidence to sustain my legal fiction.
The heart of the problem is that the gender ideologues don’t believe in gender reassignment, they believe in gender identity, which seems to negate the inconvenience of shaving for “Transwomen”.
I seem to be in the minority here, but I can’t help but think the article’s main observation is a bit off. This has been said before: gay people fought for the right to privacy in the bedroom while trans people appear to be fighting for the right to ‘sex-up’ preschool. No doubt many just want to be left alone, but they (obviously) aren’t the ones leading the charge.
I seem to be in the minority here, but I can’t help but think the article’s main observation is a bit off. This has been said before: gay people fought for the right to privacy in the bedroom while trans people appear to be fighting for the right to ‘sex-up’ preschool. No doubt many just want to be left alone, but they (obviously) aren’t the ones leading the charge.
I’m curious as to why it has taken so long for this to come out by someone as influential as Fanshawe. Of course transexuality campaigns don’t belong with homosexuality campaigns, they’re quite different issues. How did that ever catch on?
Also, I’m concerned that ‘protecting’ transexuals from being outed could lead to blackmail. Like going back to the times when exposing a man as gay could ruin his life.
I’m curious as to why it has taken so long for this to come out by someone as influential as Fanshawe. Of course transexuality campaigns don’t belong with homosexuality campaigns, they’re quite different issues. How did that ever catch on?
Also, I’m concerned that ‘protecting’ transexuals from being outed could lead to blackmail. Like going back to the times when exposing a man as gay could ruin his life.
What should it look like? Something the majority don’t have to look at.
“What should trans pride look like?”
Thursday afternoon in the tv room on the sex offender wing.
We are talking about sexual perversions and psychoses. Over a million dead young men from treating the male body as if it were female. The NYC AIDS surveys found that about half of the “gays” with GRID.. Gay Relate Immune Disorder… quickly renamed AIDS.. had been sexually abused by older males at the average age of eleven years old.
The Denmark Registry study of 2006 found “homosexuality” was associated with death of a same sex parent and early divorce. Otago U NZ student body studies found that the less than 1% of students who identified as other than normal, yes… normal, were also 300% more likely to have been sexually and otherwise abused.
By all means love and accept those with same sex attractions but the obvious kindest thing we can do is to outlaw the sodomy that is killing them. 70% of US AIDs cases are in the 1.4% of the population of MSM, men who have imitative sex with men.
And “marriage” if of course an ontological and physical impossibility.
Let’s have the guts to actually love and care for these people. And stop telling people the “born that way” lie which is robustly disproved by the large cohort identical twin studies.
Get informed. It takes about 10 minutes.
We are talking about sexual perversions and psychoses. Over a million dead young men from treating the male body as if it were female. The NYC AIDS surveys found that about half of the “gays” with GRID.. Gay Relate Immune Disorder… quickly renamed AIDS.. had been sexually abused by older males at the average age of eleven years old.
The Denmark Registry study of 2006 found “homosexuality” was associated with death of a same sex parent and early divorce. Otago U NZ student body studies found that the less than 1% of students who identified as other than normal, yes… normal, were also 300% more likely to have been sexually and otherwise abused.
By all means love and accept those with same sex attractions but the obvious kindest thing we can do is to outlaw the sodomy that is killing them. 70% of US AIDs cases are in the 1.4% of the population of MSM, men who have imitative sex with men.
And “marriage” if of course an ontological and physical impossibility.
Let’s have the guts to actually love and care for these people. And stop telling people the “born that way” lie which is robustly disproved by the large cohort identical twin studies.
Get informed. It takes about 10 minutes.
Trans is just the inevitable logic implicit in pretending sodomy is natural, healthy and to be supported. It never gets mentioned. Over a million dead young men in the west from this behavior.
Trans is just the inevitable logic implicit in pretending sodomy is natural, healthy and to be supported. It never gets mentioned. Over a million dead young men in the west from this behavior.
Who even gives a sh**?
Who even gives a sh**?