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We need to talk about chemsex Power structures shape and curtail our desires

Sexual anxieties can be tricky to shake off while sober (Chemsex, 2015)

Sexual anxieties can be tricky to shake off while sober (Chemsex, 2015)


February 13, 2023   5 mins

When people gather anonymously to talk about dancing in the shadow of drugs and sex, the energy in the room glows with a warm ball of white light. This feeling, I think, must be the immanence of healing. So much shame and secrecy is still attached to chemsex — a term that refers to using substances such as methamphetamine, GHB/GBL, and newer synthetic drugs such as 3-MMC while engaging in casual and often group sex. To evade public scrutiny, the act is often facilitated online using coded language (“Party and Play,” “PnP,” “Tina”) or even specific emojis (diamond, rocketship). Rarely is this subject discussed beyond hookup apps — and even less so outside the gay male scenes where the term originates from.

While the combination of drugs and sex is nothing new, chemsex as an underground cultural phenomenon became popularised in conjunction with the mainstreaming of online dating apps and HIV antiretroviral drugs in the late Eighties and Nineties. “Stigma towards methamphetamine from those who did not use it kept us united as a group… we called ourselves ‘chemsex club’,” wrote David Stuart, an HIV activist who claims to be one of the first to use the word. “We were united less by commonalities or friendship, but more so by our shared preference for chems.”

Most of the current discourse around chemsex comes from the public-health sector, which tends to frame it in a paradigm of risk and harm reduction. But a field of academic study sometimes called critical chemsex studies has recently emerged that aims to centre the practice instead within the realms of pleasure, intimacy and identity. One seminal text in this growing field is Pleasure Consuming Drugs by the writer Kane Race, which tackles the question of how drugs have come to mediate sex in the gay discourse.

In the book’s final chapter, “Exceptional Sex”, Race opens with a personal experience: one night in Sydney, he was approached in a video lounge by a guy who was rolling hard on ecstasy. The swooning stranger was too impaired to carry through the sexual encounter, and eventually staggered out of the place as they parted ways. Kane remained haunted by the encounter, returning to it over the years as he attempted to untangle the ethico-political tensions between autonomy and care. “What is my duty to this stranger? How do I enact it?” Kane writes. “Why does this guy put himself in this situation? Why does he feel he has to knock himself out to be here?”

Last autumn, I co-moderated a discussion in New York City on chemsex where we attempted to answer these very questions. Titled “Appetite, Euphoria, and the Inevitability of Coming Down,” the event was hosted by The Infernal Grove, a study group that meets once a month to pursue “an unsystematic structural analysis of drug use, addiction, and recovery (not necessarily in that order)”. In addition to Infernal Grove founders Emily Vey Duke and Cooper Battersby, both professors at Syracuse University, my co-moderators included experimental filmmaker Devon Narine-Singh and multimedia artist Mikiki, whose chemsex-inspired video work was showing at the Whitney Museum that week in honour of World Aids Day.

That evening, about two dozen artists, filmmakers, writers, and other creative-types showed up to a darkened dance studio near Herald Square that doubled as our meeting room. Many more attended virtually through Zoom. A tall man with a blonde ponytail hopped on the piano in the corner, improvising a haunting welcome tune as we took our seats in a circle, smiling shyly as we introduced ourselves by way of unpacking our relationships to drugs. What was remarkable was the diversity of not just age, gender, and racial identities in the room, but the breadth of psychoactive experiences across the sober-using spectrum — from former heroin junkies to professionals who’ve never touched a drug, devout AA members to party-loving recreational ravers, underground psychedelic healers to sober-curious skaters.

This colourful cast of characters reminded me of Alcoholics Anonymous meetings I’ve attended in the past, where folks from all walks of life form unlikely alliances in pursuit of communal healing. In fact, Alcoholics Anonymous seems to be going through a contemporary rebrand; what David Foster Wallace described in Infinite Jest as a “goofy slapdash anarchic system of low-rent gatherings and corny slogans and saccharine grins and hideous coffee” is turning into a veritable hot scene. More sober-curious young people are showing up to meetings who aren’t hardcore alcoholics per se, perhaps sensing that AA can provide something increasingly rare these days: a sense of community, which is to say support without the strings of self-interest.

Yet, AA’s dogma of total drug abstinence does not appeal to everybody, and many are hungry for alternatives. New groups such as The Infernal Grove now cater to those seeking more sustainable relationships to substance use beyond the established orthodoxy of traditional sobriety paradigms. Despite the necessity of these alternative paths, I had been afraid that the chemsex discussion would be seen as problematic or triggering. Conversations about drugs usually play out as a moral drama of extremes: the anti-drug abstinence of AA vs the drug-positive enthusiasm of recreational settings. It is still so rare to enter a thought space where sobriety is discussed as more of a spectrum, where the ambiguous zones of druggie disinhibition can be untangled by people from all over the drug-sober continuum. It felt like the future.

“Honestly? This conversation is extremely triggering to me, but I’m also very excited to be here,” confessed someone who was in AA. Another person explained she had never touched a drug in her life, but was here because of an addict family member. The conversation turned to how recreational sex and drugs are not beyond the realm of care and attention; how even though drug practices often take place in a sub-intentional zone — “zoning out, getting distracted, losing yourself to something, cutting loose, getting carried away,” as Kane put it — they should not be exempt from insight and consideration.  Whenever we began to romanticise drugs too much, extolling the ways they can be used as quick escape routes from normative or oppressive societal demands, the sober people would chime in. “Sure, there is an element of surprise in drug use, but also, there isn’t,” one said quietly. “Maybe you imagine breaking through a barrier, but then you wake up hungover and nothing has changed.”

The conversation that night brought to light intersectional commonalities in the reasons why people of all stripes engage with chemsex — most commonly, it seems, to dissolve the culturally-conditioned sexual anxieties that can be so tricky to shake off while sober. Gay men and straight women alike spoke of letting go of body dysmorphia and shame while in the disinhibited state of chemically-enhanced euphoria, of exploring desires that the cultures of toxic masculinity and transmisogyny have impinged their abilities to see. “It is possible to look at the shadow without the shadow taking over,” said Mikiki, speaking on how the history that people carry often shapes their sexual inclinations. “Of course my desires are related to my trauma, but am I not allowed to explore that?”

Untangling the ways drugs can modulate pleasure, dampen the voices of our inner critics, and foster a kind of dark intimacy is still such a sensitive topic — and the movement to destigmatise chemsex is, in many ways, still in its infancy. As a woman, I am also not the traditional demographic that is typically “allowed” to even discuss this concept, let alone in these expansive terms. In fact, Stuart has accused folks who use this term but do not identify as gay men of cultural appropriation.

But like a growing number of academics in the field, I believe this framework should include a wider population — because as the discussion in New York suggested, many other social groups already engage in these practices for similar reasons as gay or bisexual men, yet are under-represented in current research. Adopting a broader and more intersectional lens to the study of drug use and sex could allow a deeper understanding of how the dense mesh of governing power structures both shape and curtail our desires. It could also help us to understand how this practice reflects the historical and social contexts from which they emerge — including the pharmaceuticalisation of sexuality, contemporary culture of endless self-enhancement, and crisis of intimacy under neoliberal individualism.

As the conversations around chemsex continue to evolve, perhaps our conceptions will also move beyond the current narrative of retreat and resilience. “I want a different conception of corporeal agency, where drugs don’t feature such an obvious and thrilling escape route,” Race wrote. “What would it take to engage more fully with the texture of these escapes? What possibilities of care, what new pleasures, what ethics, what multiplicities emerge?”


Michelle Lhooq is the author of the Rave New World Substack and Weed: Everything You Want to Know But Are Always Too Stoned to Ask.

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polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

We need, urgently, a Campaign for Real Life.
And fewer academics.

Last edited 1 year ago by polidori redux
Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

You’ll need to get rid of the internet then. Good luck with that.

Paul M
Paul M
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Hehe. Some of us have been working on this for years! 😉

Paul M
Paul M
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Hehe. Some of us have been working on this for years! 😉

David George
David George
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Here’s what one academic had to say in reaction to this essay – Jordan Peterson on Twitter:
“And the immature impulsive hedonism continue, unabated: possession by basic biological drive elevated into object of unconscious worship. The worst of an emergent polytheistic paganism. With all the requisite pseudo-intellectual jargon. “Chemsex.”

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

You’ll need to get rid of the internet then. Good luck with that.

David George
David George
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Here’s what one academic had to say in reaction to this essay – Jordan Peterson on Twitter:
“And the immature impulsive hedonism continue, unabated: possession by basic biological drive elevated into object of unconscious worship. The worst of an emergent polytheistic paganism. With all the requisite pseudo-intellectual jargon. “Chemsex.”

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

We need, urgently, a Campaign for Real Life.
And fewer academics.

Last edited 1 year ago by polidori redux
Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

Wow! Do people this self obsessed and utterly divorced from the natural world really exist?

It’s a form of intellectual yoga, involving fantastic contortions in search of light that can never be found. “If I stick my head far enough up my own backside will I eventually see a glimmer of light shining down my throat?”

No.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Er, because of the internet, and because of urbanisation, most people nowadays are “utterly divorced from the natural world”. It’s the norm.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Yes, this sentence did it for me….Gay men and straight women alike spoke of letting go of body dysmorphia and shame while in the disinhibited state of chemically-enhanced euphoria, of exploring desires that the cultures of toxic masculinity and transmisogyny have impinged their abilities to see.”
Personally, it would take more than a chemical high to get me to allow another man’s organ to be rammed into my lower colon.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Er, because of the internet, and because of urbanisation, most people nowadays are “utterly divorced from the natural world”. It’s the norm.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Yes, this sentence did it for me….Gay men and straight women alike spoke of letting go of body dysmorphia and shame while in the disinhibited state of chemically-enhanced euphoria, of exploring desires that the cultures of toxic masculinity and transmisogyny have impinged their abilities to see.”
Personally, it would take more than a chemical high to get me to allow another man’s organ to be rammed into my lower colon.

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

Wow! Do people this self obsessed and utterly divorced from the natural world really exist?

It’s a form of intellectual yoga, involving fantastic contortions in search of light that can never be found. “If I stick my head far enough up my own backside will I eventually see a glimmer of light shining down my throat?”

No.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

I read unherd specifically not to read bullshit like this! Even AA is grabbed by those those intent on spreading their selfish pseudo intellectual disease to every quarter. Give the poor addicts and alkies a break, they need support not psychobabble, if indeed there are any alcoholics left in AA rather than just those who “identify” as such.

Tom Watson
Tom Watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Every piece by Mary Harrington or Aris Roussinos – I go 1 step closer to renewing my subscription.

Every piece like this – I take about 10 steps back.

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Watson

Today was very thin gruel: something about the gay sex scene (a topic I couldn’t be less interested in), a hit-piece on Lee Anderson, a Guardian-style article demanding higher food prices, the resident left-winger on digital currencies, a review of a BBC documentary about a TikTok celebrity and some lame financial analysis.
More Aris please. And what about Paul Kingsnorth? Where are the Traditionalist articles? What happened to the Anglofuturists?
It would be a bad thing if this just became another news magazine.
And it would have one less subscriber.

Last edited 1 year ago by Matt M
Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

Make that two.

Tom Watson
Tom Watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

I enjoy Fazi even if I don’t agree with him a lot of the time, and would say ‘Guardian-style’ is an unfair characterisation of Stimpel (when was the last time the Guardian took the side of old, white, rural men who probably aren’t even gay?) but overall you’re on to something. I sympathise to a certain extent with UnHerd’s challenge of getting enough new and interesting writers in that they don’t become stale, so they have to go for some fairly oddball stuff – but the idea that your audience wants to read about queering traditional conceptions of sobriety and exploring the meaning of consciousness by getting off your face and fondling strangers, except it’s rainbow people doing it so that means it’s good (which as far as I can tell is what this was about) only makes sense if you’re Vice or Buzzfeed.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

Make that two.

Tom Watson
Tom Watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

I enjoy Fazi even if I don’t agree with him a lot of the time, and would say ‘Guardian-style’ is an unfair characterisation of Stimpel (when was the last time the Guardian took the side of old, white, rural men who probably aren’t even gay?) but overall you’re on to something. I sympathise to a certain extent with UnHerd’s challenge of getting enough new and interesting writers in that they don’t become stale, so they have to go for some fairly oddball stuff – but the idea that your audience wants to read about queering traditional conceptions of sobriety and exploring the meaning of consciousness by getting off your face and fondling strangers, except it’s rainbow people doing it so that means it’s good (which as far as I can tell is what this was about) only makes sense if you’re Vice or Buzzfeed.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Watson

i agree, a very good point.

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Watson

Today was very thin gruel: something about the gay sex scene (a topic I couldn’t be less interested in), a hit-piece on Lee Anderson, a Guardian-style article demanding higher food prices, the resident left-winger on digital currencies, a review of a BBC documentary about a TikTok celebrity and some lame financial analysis.
More Aris please. And what about Paul Kingsnorth? Where are the Traditionalist articles? What happened to the Anglofuturists?
It would be a bad thing if this just became another news magazine.
And it would have one less subscriber.

Last edited 1 year ago by Matt M
Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Watson

i agree, a very good point.

Richard Ross
Richard Ross
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

I hear you, I hear you, Leejon. BUT, to me one of the most valuable things about UnHerd is that it provides a curated, and *only* occasional POV into the insanity of the Prevailing Culture. Just enough vile crap in the UnHerd menu to heighten my appreciation of the other 95% of it. Kudos to the editors.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Ross

Agreed. Despite the vulgarity and repulsive nature of this article to sensible, traditional valued folks like me, it is refreshing to read what is supposedly happening on the dark side. It braces me for what I might be exposed to someday.

Derek Smith
Derek Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Ross

I agree with you and Warren. The overall output of UnHerd renders this occasional hiccup irrelevant in my opinion.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Ross

You are quite right, sometimes my morning grumpiness gets the better of me.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Ross

Agreed. Despite the vulgarity and repulsive nature of this article to sensible, traditional valued folks like me, it is refreshing to read what is supposedly happening on the dark side. It braces me for what I might be exposed to someday.

Derek Smith
Derek Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Ross

I agree with you and Warren. The overall output of UnHerd renders this occasional hiccup irrelevant in my opinion.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Ross

You are quite right, sometimes my morning grumpiness gets the better of me.

Tom Watson
Tom Watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Every piece by Mary Harrington or Aris Roussinos – I go 1 step closer to renewing my subscription.

Every piece like this – I take about 10 steps back.

Richard Ross
Richard Ross
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

I hear you, I hear you, Leejon. BUT, to me one of the most valuable things about UnHerd is that it provides a curated, and *only* occasional POV into the insanity of the Prevailing Culture. Just enough vile crap in the UnHerd menu to heighten my appreciation of the other 95% of it. Kudos to the editors.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

I read unherd specifically not to read bullshit like this! Even AA is grabbed by those those intent on spreading their selfish pseudo intellectual disease to every quarter. Give the poor addicts and alkies a break, they need support not psychobabble, if indeed there are any alcoholics left in AA rather than just those who “identify” as such.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
1 year ago

I’m sorry, but I just didn’t really understand the nuances of this article. Certainly, I get the general premise, ‘chemsex’, but beyond that ……..?
The whole idea behind language, surely, is to convey ideas and information to others, in a manner that not only can it be understood, but more importantly, not misunderstood (hell, I learn’t that much as a humble private soldier in the army). Maybe it’s simply a question of my lack of intelligence, or higher education (I know my intellectual limits), but if a journalist/academic is going to write an article, for a general audience, by most accounts, I’m sure, it has to be intelligible, to a wider audience and not just other ‘intellectuals/academics ?
It seems there is a trend, recent or otherwise, of disguising potentially controversial ideas behind ‘intellectual’ speech, a miasma of ideas and words, used to obscure, and bully.
My general understanding, of the article, is ‘should we just accept chemsex as a thing, and not only that, but extend and disseminate it, without judgement, as far and as wide as humanly ( I don’t doubt animals will cum into it at some point) possibly ? As with a lot of these narcissistic ‘pleasure’ tendencies though (like fat acceptance for example), little thought is given to ‘tomorrow’ and the day after, who else it might effect, what damage it might do to them, and just as importantly, who pays for picking up the ‘damaged’ pieces afterwards.
I suspect any ‘wider’ acceptance of chemsex will not be to the benefit of women !

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

If you are a gay man, had some experience of chem sex and are of an analytic bent, as I am, the topic is actually pretty interesting. Maybe not so much to others. But the article is written in turgid awful academese which does the opposite of clarifying the issues. (Is that subconsciously done to try and cover up the bad ideas, as with so much ideological guff from the woke Left?).

You make a good point about women: it would be interesting to know how many straight people and in particular women are involved in the scene and their experiences of it.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Remembering a long ago drunken conversation with my late father I’m tempted to ask my mum, but I’m pretty sure all I’ll get is a slap…

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Remembering a long ago drunken conversation with my late father I’m tempted to ask my mum, but I’m pretty sure all I’ll get is a slap…

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

“…a trend, recent or otherwise, of disguising potentially controversial ideas behind ‘intellectual’ speech…”
Exactly. Stripped of the strangely opaque language this is just an apologia for self-destructive behavior that has the additional downside of swamping the AA program with people who want to do things they know are deeply problematic and then feel better about themselves by telling people who are desperate to put such things behind them all about their blase come and go lifestyle. It’s almost like the Catholic church’s confession and absolution system, except that at least doesn’t drag other vulnerable people into the process.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

Spot on.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

Spot on.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

“It seems there is a trend, recent or otherwise, of disguising potentially controversial ideas behind ‘intellectual’ speech, a miasma of ideas and words, used to obscure, and bully.”
I have a Philosophy PhD, and you may rest assured that this pseudo-intellectual bo11ocks is just as alien to me as it is to you.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

If you are a gay man, had some experience of chem sex and are of an analytic bent, as I am, the topic is actually pretty interesting. Maybe not so much to others. But the article is written in turgid awful academese which does the opposite of clarifying the issues. (Is that subconsciously done to try and cover up the bad ideas, as with so much ideological guff from the woke Left?).

You make a good point about women: it would be interesting to know how many straight people and in particular women are involved in the scene and their experiences of it.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

“…a trend, recent or otherwise, of disguising potentially controversial ideas behind ‘intellectual’ speech…”
Exactly. Stripped of the strangely opaque language this is just an apologia for self-destructive behavior that has the additional downside of swamping the AA program with people who want to do things they know are deeply problematic and then feel better about themselves by telling people who are desperate to put such things behind them all about their blase come and go lifestyle. It’s almost like the Catholic church’s confession and absolution system, except that at least doesn’t drag other vulnerable people into the process.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

“It seems there is a trend, recent or otherwise, of disguising potentially controversial ideas behind ‘intellectual’ speech, a miasma of ideas and words, used to obscure, and bully.”
I have a Philosophy PhD, and you may rest assured that this pseudo-intellectual bo11ocks is just as alien to me as it is to you.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
1 year ago

I’m sorry, but I just didn’t really understand the nuances of this article. Certainly, I get the general premise, ‘chemsex’, but beyond that ……..?
The whole idea behind language, surely, is to convey ideas and information to others, in a manner that not only can it be understood, but more importantly, not misunderstood (hell, I learn’t that much as a humble private soldier in the army). Maybe it’s simply a question of my lack of intelligence, or higher education (I know my intellectual limits), but if a journalist/academic is going to write an article, for a general audience, by most accounts, I’m sure, it has to be intelligible, to a wider audience and not just other ‘intellectuals/academics ?
It seems there is a trend, recent or otherwise, of disguising potentially controversial ideas behind ‘intellectual’ speech, a miasma of ideas and words, used to obscure, and bully.
My general understanding, of the article, is ‘should we just accept chemsex as a thing, and not only that, but extend and disseminate it, without judgement, as far and as wide as humanly ( I don’t doubt animals will cum into it at some point) possibly ? As with a lot of these narcissistic ‘pleasure’ tendencies though (like fat acceptance for example), little thought is given to ‘tomorrow’ and the day after, who else it might effect, what damage it might do to them, and just as importantly, who pays for picking up the ‘damaged’ pieces afterwards.
I suspect any ‘wider’ acceptance of chemsex will not be to the benefit of women !

Paul T
Paul T
1 year ago

“Critical Chemsex Studies” This is a joke, surely? I tell you what gay men want; its to be left alone and not have every aspect of their lives commoditised and sanitised by bored dilettantes that cant find meaning in some aspect of their own subjective reality.

Paul T
Paul T
1 year ago

“Critical Chemsex Studies” This is a joke, surely? I tell you what gay men want; its to be left alone and not have every aspect of their lives commoditised and sanitised by bored dilettantes that cant find meaning in some aspect of their own subjective reality.

Alex Colchester
Alex Colchester
1 year ago

Yawn- taking drugs and having sex is practiced by most people on a regular basis. It’s called alcohol.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago

True, though alcohol is actually a ‘downer’ – it certainly reduces inhibitions but also awareness and also often performance!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

The dreaded ‘Brewer’s Droop’ no less!

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

‘Crystal d**k’ is their equivalent.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

The dreaded ‘Brewer’s Droop’ no less!

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

‘Crystal d**k’ is their equivalent.

Andre Lower
Andre Lower
1 year ago

Exactly, Alex. People want to do things that they feel are reprehensible, yet they want to do it. So they get drunk (or drugged, or both) in order to do what they want and then have the excuse (for themselves and for any external critic) that “oh, but I was drunk/drugged when I did that…”. In conclusion, nothing original is being discussed here. Just coward people being coward.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago

True, though alcohol is actually a ‘downer’ – it certainly reduces inhibitions but also awareness and also often performance!

Andre Lower
Andre Lower
1 year ago

Exactly, Alex. People want to do things that they feel are reprehensible, yet they want to do it. So they get drunk (or drugged, or both) in order to do what they want and then have the excuse (for themselves and for any external critic) that “oh, but I was drunk/drugged when I did that…”. In conclusion, nothing original is being discussed here. Just coward people being coward.

Alex Colchester
Alex Colchester
1 year ago

Yawn- taking drugs and having sex is practiced by most people on a regular basis. It’s called alcohol.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

I’m not sure that we do need to talk about chemsex, and, if perchance we do, it’s now done. This all I need to hear on the subject.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

Hear! Hear!

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

Hear! Hear!

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

I’m not sure that we do need to talk about chemsex, and, if perchance we do, it’s now done. This all I need to hear on the subject.

Robert Crane
Robert Crane
1 year ago

“Traditional sobriety paradigms”. Pseuds’ Corner beckons!

Robert Crane
Robert Crane
1 year ago

“Traditional sobriety paradigms”. Pseuds’ Corner beckons!

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago

Have we not just spent decades arguing why sex and drugs or sex and alcohol were a bad idea?
Have we not said that having sex with someone that is drunk or high is rape? How many college kids have gotten tossed out of school for having sex with someone that is drunk? But now high on meth is now just an enhancer?
Now, I have never been a fan of the idea of accusing some college guy that is drunk and has sex with a drunk college girl of “rape” but this Chemsex thing would seem to almost encourage abuse.
I can see SO many ways this could go wrong, never mind the damage it does even when it does not go wrong.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Saved me saying that – well said.

D T
D T
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Exactly, and the thing is, most gay young men don’t start out looking for chemsex, they are looking for friends and community and are introduced to it by older gay men. Although it is rampant in the apps, this actually began out of the gay bars. Basically these guys have figured out a way for drug rape victims to pay for the drugs themselves and not have to worry about the risk associated with dosing someone. When I was a younger man back in the 80’s I worked in a gay bar, we actively kept the noted drug dealers out. In order to stay solvent todays gay bars let the drug crowd in, the drug use is rampant and drugging another gay man has been normalized.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Saved me saying that – well said.

D T
D T
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Exactly, and the thing is, most gay young men don’t start out looking for chemsex, they are looking for friends and community and are introduced to it by older gay men. Although it is rampant in the apps, this actually began out of the gay bars. Basically these guys have figured out a way for drug rape victims to pay for the drugs themselves and not have to worry about the risk associated with dosing someone. When I was a younger man back in the 80’s I worked in a gay bar, we actively kept the noted drug dealers out. In order to stay solvent todays gay bars let the drug crowd in, the drug use is rampant and drugging another gay man has been normalized.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago

Have we not just spent decades arguing why sex and drugs or sex and alcohol were a bad idea?
Have we not said that having sex with someone that is drunk or high is rape? How many college kids have gotten tossed out of school for having sex with someone that is drunk? But now high on meth is now just an enhancer?
Now, I have never been a fan of the idea of accusing some college guy that is drunk and has sex with a drunk college girl of “rape” but this Chemsex thing would seem to almost encourage abuse.
I can see SO many ways this could go wrong, never mind the damage it does even when it does not go wrong.

Phillipa Fioretti
Phillipa Fioretti
1 year ago

Academics are always the bores who want to sap whatever bit of fun a few people have stumbled on by analysing it to death,

Just get sh** faced and f***, for goodness sake

Last edited 1 year ago by Phillipa Fioretti
Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

I suppose permanently having your head up your own ar*se is one way of staying sh**faced.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Whilst no doubt making a concerted attempt to go f*** oneself.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Close, but no cigar?

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Close, but no cigar?

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Whilst no doubt making a concerted attempt to go f*** oneself.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

You’re confusing academics with politicians.
Daft advice generally.  Anyone who f***s anyone who is
“sh**-faced” may find themselves in court. As you know,
extreme intoxication (aka being “s***-faced”) vitiates consent, hence rape charges.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

I normally don’t agree with you on many things, but on this you are spot-on. What works in the gay scene does not work within a straight dynamic. No matter how willing a woman is to do drugs and have sex afterwards, should she change her mind about it afterwards, her male partner risks serious allegations of non-consensual sex.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

I normally don’t agree with you on many things, but on this you are spot-on. What works in the gay scene does not work within a straight dynamic. No matter how willing a woman is to do drugs and have sex afterwards, should she change her mind about it afterwards, her male partner risks serious allegations of non-consensual sex.

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

I suppose permanently having your head up your own ar*se is one way of staying sh**faced.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

You’re confusing academics with politicians.
Daft advice generally.  Anyone who f***s anyone who is
“sh**-faced” may find themselves in court. As you know,
extreme intoxication (aka being “s***-faced”) vitiates consent, hence rape charges.

Phillipa Fioretti
Phillipa Fioretti
1 year ago

Academics are always the bores who want to sap whatever bit of fun a few people have stumbled on by analysing it to death,

Just get sh** faced and f***, for goodness sake

Last edited 1 year ago by Phillipa Fioretti
Roddy Campbell
Roddy Campbell
1 year ago

This article is lost. This is ‘Unherd’.

Go out of the door, turn left and left again at the lights. ‘Vice’ is the third building on the left, just along from ‘The Cobbler’s Arms’.

Roddy Campbell
Roddy Campbell
1 year ago

This article is lost. This is ‘Unherd’.

Go out of the door, turn left and left again at the lights. ‘Vice’ is the third building on the left, just along from ‘The Cobbler’s Arms’.

Caspian Prince
Caspian Prince
1 year ago

This is an essay not an article. Teach academics to write for publication or don’t use them.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Caspian Prince

What is the difference?

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

Kathleen Stock.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

Kathleen Stock.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Caspian Prince

What is the difference?

Caspian Prince
Caspian Prince
1 year ago

This is an essay not an article. Teach academics to write for publication or don’t use them.

j morgan
j morgan
1 year ago

“transmisogyny” isn’t a thing

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  j morgan

I think it may be a thing, if it means the misogyny displayed by trans-activists.

Last edited 1 year ago by Linda Hutchinson
j morgan
j morgan
1 year ago

Yeah that makes more sense than trying to apply the “gyn” to males.

j morgan
j morgan
1 year ago

Yeah that makes more sense than trying to apply the “gyn” to males.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  j morgan

I think it may be a thing, if it means the misogyny displayed by trans-activists.

Last edited 1 year ago by Linda Hutchinson
j morgan
j morgan
1 year ago

“transmisogyny” isn’t a thing

Andrew McDonald
Andrew McDonald
1 year ago

I tried hard, but I couldn’t get past ‘…the sub-intentional zone…’ without a guffaw or two and the realisation that I hadn’t spotted this as a truly wonderful spoof. 10/10, keep them coming – could you do one on Nicola Sturgeon next?

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

Could well be, but almost every ‘story’ I read that I think is taking the p*** sadly turns out not to be.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

Could well be, but almost every ‘story’ I read that I think is taking the p*** sadly turns out not to be.

Andrew McDonald
Andrew McDonald
1 year ago

I tried hard, but I couldn’t get past ‘…the sub-intentional zone…’ without a guffaw or two and the realisation that I hadn’t spotted this as a truly wonderful spoof. 10/10, keep them coming – could you do one on Nicola Sturgeon next?

John Solomon
John Solomon
1 year ago

“What was remarkable was the diversity of not just age, gender, and racial identities in the room, but the breadth of psychoactive experiences across the sober-using spectrum.”

Really? Diversity? Sounded to me like a homogenous bunch of self-absorbed sleazeballs.

John Solomon
John Solomon
1 year ago

“What was remarkable was the diversity of not just age, gender, and racial identities in the room, but the breadth of psychoactive experiences across the sober-using spectrum.”

Really? Diversity? Sounded to me like a homogenous bunch of self-absorbed sleazeballs.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago

I agree with other comments that there really is too much academic babble on display here. It’s a shame though as I at least think that there is a lot to discuss in the phenomena. I especially could do without this sentence: “Gay men and straight women alike spoke of letting go of body dysmorphia and shame while in the disinhibited state of chemically-enhanced euphoria, of exploring desires that the cultures of toxic masculinity and transmisogyny have impinged their abilities to see”

You really can’t just appeal to ideas like toxic masculinity’ or, worse ‘transmisogyny’ without defining them. Toxic masculinity, is that just men getting drunk and violent or just ‘masculinity’? ”….impinged their ability to see’ – does that mean gay men fancying men with fit bodies and not fat ones (though some do!) or people who are in fact biological women?

But there is some sort of point here: the typical chemsex drugs do lower inhibitions and can in many cases make people feel very sensual, good about their bodies, which they may have hangups about, and eager to touch others as well.

Here’s an idea: people choose to take drugs of all kinds because they like the effects on them. You can get psychically dependent (not usually physically addictive) on these effects, but don’t have to. I’ve taken a range of drugs though not on a regular basis. I’m not going to proselytise that they proffer fantastic new insights or ways of being. But neither in many cases are they as harmful as much of the anti propaganda suggests. You can obviously do far too much of anything, including food. (It’s true that there is no quality control on what is in illegal drugs). Don’t spend days binging on drink or drugs (I’m tempted even to add exercise to this list, as that can get pretty obsessive as well). Do something else most of the time.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

From what I’ve been able to tell, “toxic masculinity” is redundant as used by virtually everyone who deploys it (as opposed to talking about it).

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

From what I’ve been able to tell, “toxic masculinity” is redundant as used by virtually everyone who deploys it (as opposed to talking about it).

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago

I agree with other comments that there really is too much academic babble on display here. It’s a shame though as I at least think that there is a lot to discuss in the phenomena. I especially could do without this sentence: “Gay men and straight women alike spoke of letting go of body dysmorphia and shame while in the disinhibited state of chemically-enhanced euphoria, of exploring desires that the cultures of toxic masculinity and transmisogyny have impinged their abilities to see”

You really can’t just appeal to ideas like toxic masculinity’ or, worse ‘transmisogyny’ without defining them. Toxic masculinity, is that just men getting drunk and violent or just ‘masculinity’? ”….impinged their ability to see’ – does that mean gay men fancying men with fit bodies and not fat ones (though some do!) or people who are in fact biological women?

But there is some sort of point here: the typical chemsex drugs do lower inhibitions and can in many cases make people feel very sensual, good about their bodies, which they may have hangups about, and eager to touch others as well.

Here’s an idea: people choose to take drugs of all kinds because they like the effects on them. You can get psychically dependent (not usually physically addictive) on these effects, but don’t have to. I’ve taken a range of drugs though not on a regular basis. I’m not going to proselytise that they proffer fantastic new insights or ways of being. But neither in many cases are they as harmful as much of the anti propaganda suggests. You can obviously do far too much of anything, including food. (It’s true that there is no quality control on what is in illegal drugs). Don’t spend days binging on drink or drugs (I’m tempted even to add exercise to this list, as that can get pretty obsessive as well). Do something else most of the time.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

I’m sure we’re all reassured to know there are now opportunities in academia for those wishing to pursue a career in Critical Chemsex Studies.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

I’m sure we’re all reassured to know there are now opportunities in academia for those wishing to pursue a career in Critical Chemsex Studies.

Graeme Laws
Graeme Laws
1 year ago

‘We need to talk about ch*****’. No we don’t.

Cristina Bodor
Cristina Bodor
1 year ago
Reply to  Graeme Laws

That settles it ! Will move on to issues of more substance, hopefully!

Cristina Bodor
Cristina Bodor
1 year ago
Reply to  Graeme Laws

That settles it ! Will move on to issues of more substance, hopefully!

Graeme Laws
Graeme Laws
1 year ago

‘We need to talk about ch*****’. No we don’t.

Graeme Laws
Graeme Laws
1 year ago

Headline ‘We need to talk about chemsex’. Memo to author and editor: no we don’t. This did not appear for ages. Who programmed the bot?

Last edited 1 year ago by Graeme Laws
Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  Graeme Laws

Quite so. My double-entendre has been in moderation for some five hours now. Not a rude word in it. Perhaps some humourless prig took exception to it and snitched.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  Graeme Laws

Quite so. My double-entendre has been in moderation for some five hours now. Not a rude word in it. Perhaps some humourless prig took exception to it and snitched.

Graeme Laws
Graeme Laws
1 year ago

Headline ‘We need to talk about chemsex’. Memo to author and editor: no we don’t. This did not appear for ages. Who programmed the bot?

Last edited 1 year ago by Graeme Laws
Jim Davis
Jim Davis
1 year ago

As of 2020, 93.6% of the UK population identified as heterosexual or straight. Presumably that statistic applies to readers of Unherd. So why are you pushing articles of no interest to most of your readers? While we acknowledge and accept the other 6.4%, we do not need or want to know what they do or how they do it.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Davis

Yes, because human interest should always stay in its statistical lane. How to explain the popularity of murder mysteries or salacious articles about serial killers etc. Nothing to see here, this article is only of interest to murderers. Maybe they should have their own special interest publications. There is a difference between articles exploring human society and articles that are just moronic bulls**t, which this article is.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Davis

Yes, because human interest should always stay in its statistical lane. How to explain the popularity of murder mysteries or salacious articles about serial killers etc. Nothing to see here, this article is only of interest to murderers. Maybe they should have their own special interest publications. There is a difference between articles exploring human society and articles that are just moronic bulls**t, which this article is.

Jim Davis
Jim Davis
1 year ago

As of 2020, 93.6% of the UK population identified as heterosexual or straight. Presumably that statistic applies to readers of Unherd. So why are you pushing articles of no interest to most of your readers? While we acknowledge and accept the other 6.4%, we do not need or want to know what they do or how they do it.

J. Hale
J. Hale
1 year ago

“to dissolve the culturally-conditioned sexual anxieties that can be so tricky to shake off while sober.” In other words, to abandon common sense!

J. Hale
J. Hale
1 year ago

“to dissolve the culturally-conditioned sexual anxieties that can be so tricky to shake off while sober.” In other words, to abandon common sense!

Arve Kleiva
Arve Kleiva
1 year ago

Contrary to several of these comments, I find the opportunity to come across and if curious get to know something about behavior, experience and thought I’d very likely never hear of quite liberating. I guess that’s half the reason why I keep returning to Unherd.

Arve Kleiva
Arve Kleiva
1 year ago

Contrary to several of these comments, I find the opportunity to come across and if curious get to know something about behavior, experience and thought I’d very likely never hear of quite liberating. I guess that’s half the reason why I keep returning to Unherd.

Alan B
Alan B
1 year ago

I am torn between “chemsex is not my thing and seems, erm, …problematic…”, and “evidently we are under an obligation to dissect desire until there’s no more pleasure in it.” Merci, M. Foucault. In any case its clear now that I should not have chosen a scholarly vocation, but an academic career instead. (Monthly meetings in #NYC amirite?!)

Alan B
Alan B
1 year ago

I am torn between “chemsex is not my thing and seems, erm, …problematic…”, and “evidently we are under an obligation to dissect desire until there’s no more pleasure in it.” Merci, M. Foucault. In any case its clear now that I should not have chosen a scholarly vocation, but an academic career instead. (Monthly meetings in #NYC amirite?!)

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago

Sounds like an interesting way to widen the circle of your friends.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago

Sounds like an interesting way to widen the circle of your friends.

Cristina Bodor
Cristina Bodor
1 year ago

“We need to talk about chemsex”. Do we? Why? Ever increasing preoccupation to find new “ problems “ and contort them into incomprehensible, meaningless essays

Cristina Bodor
Cristina Bodor
1 year ago

“We need to talk about chemsex”. Do we? Why? Ever increasing preoccupation to find new “ problems “ and contort them into incomprehensible, meaningless essays

Jean Pierre Noel
Jean Pierre Noel
1 year ago

UnHerd going woke?

Arve Kleiva
Arve Kleiva
1 year ago

[I doubled a comment – deleted the double. Sorry about that.]

Last edited 1 year ago by Arve Kleiva