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January 10, 2023 - 1:00pm
Hungary’s Viktor Orbán is the prime example of a populist who’s worked out how to win and retain power within a democratic system. But he’s not alone. Just take a look at the latest polling from Morning Consult — which compares approval rating for leaders across the free world.
Among those enjoying positive ratings are big name populists like Narendra Modi in India, Giorgia Meloni in Italy and Andrés Manuel López Obrador (‘AMLO’) in Mexico. The same can’t be said for most of the more conventional leaders: Rishi Sunak, Emmanuel Macron and Olaf Scholz are all deep in negative territory.
This is yet another warning to the political establishment. However, there are those who’d have us believe that the threat to the status quo is diminishing. For instance, the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change claims that “the success of progressive, centre-left leaders has accelerated the decline of populism to a 20-year low.”
According to a report from the Institute, the number of democratic nations with populist leaders is falling. However, the detail of the report reveals that this trend is driven mainly by events in the Americas — for instance, the defeats of Donald Trump in the US and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil. It is a different picture in Europe, where populism “remains strong”.
There’s also the vexed issue of which governments to count as populist. For instance, the report includes the Mexican government under the heading of Left-wing populism, but not the government of Gabriel Boric in Chile. Both Boric and AMLO can be fairly described as anti-establishment opponents of neo-liberalism, so why is one counted as a populist and not the other?
Helpfully, the report sets out its definition of populism:
This seems clear — until, that is, you realise just how subjective it is. For instance, the Tony Blair Institute might want to consider an example that’s rather close to home: Tony Blair. As Labour leader, Blair’s rhetoric was relentlessly moralistic and ‘othering’ of opponents. Further, the New Labour slogan “for the many, not the few” is blatantly populist — so much so that Jeremy Corbyn used it himself when he became party leader.
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SubscribeThe term populism seems to be used as a big stick which the left use to smear and beat anyone who disagrees with them.
UnHerders’ fear of the phantom ..llllefft.. continues unabated. If in doubt blame the government. If still in doubt blame the left.
The Left a phantom? No, it’s real, very real.
The left is the bogeyman; someone who might change the comfortable status quo. In that way, someone to fear.
I don’t think populists are responding to left-wing political parties. There is very little difference in ideology between mainstream left and right anymore. The Tories and Labour are identical. They just have different avatars running under different party names.
Populists are rebelling against the institutional capture of a political elite that no longer represents the working and middle class.
That’s what a populist is.
I don’t think populists are responding to left-wing political parties. There is very little difference in ideology between mainstream left and right anymore. The Tories and Labour are identical. They just have different avatars running under different party names.
Populists are rebelling against the institutional capture of a political elite that no longer represents the working and middle class.
That’s what a populist is.
The left is the bogeyman; someone who might change the comfortable status quo. In that way, someone to fear.
What does this mean? Maybe elaborate a bit.
Thank you for asking. To me it means the following:
I have contributed to UnHerd for two years (almost) and I am not renewing. When it first started, people came up with clever ideas, thoughts, possible solutions to problems; however feeble we were, we tried.
Today UnHerd is only about blame – you blame the left, or Boris Johnson, or men (if you are a feminist) or muslims or the lack of grammar schools or anything modern. So, old people want to get the past back and blame people for the present because the past is not coming back.
UnHerd is the past.
I think you’re on to something. However, while I remain ever-optimistic, the future at this point doesn’t look too wonderful either. At any rate, not if we continue down this current path of “progress” which is very much about the flattening of natural hierarchies and relationships in favor of governance by a small group of oligarchs and their panderers. While the past is the past, it is often overlooked as a source of inspiration for moving forward in favor of current trends and vogues. This arises from the grave misassumption that we, as the current living generation, believe ourselves to be the most enlightened intelligent people in the history of the planet, and therefore should pay no heed to the outmoded fancies of our crude and uninformed forebears.
I posit that, despite all our technological advancements, many of the problems we face today are not inherently different from those in the past. Way back in the last days of the Roman Empire when it was rife with corruption, nepotism, laziness, and economic malaise, people were also complaining that the ‘world is old’. Similar to back then, we find ourselves within a civilization that is crumbling under the weight of its own inconsistencies with no clear way forward. Perhaps harkening back to the lessons of the past is not such a bad thing after all.
” Perhaps harkening back to the lessons of the past is not such a bad thing after all”
Quite so. A country with no history is a country with no future.
” Perhaps harkening back to the lessons of the past is not such a bad thing after all”
Quite so. A country with no history is a country with no future.
I think this is a reasonable assertion. When I make comments fueled by rage – I gotta lot of rage at the political leadership these days lol – it certainly gets more likes and such.
However, I still think Unherd is better than the vast majority of news sites out there. And rage and blame is part of the human condition IMO. It’s almost inescapable.
I get how it can be frustrating. The amount of ink spilled on trans issues is exhausting sometimes. But it’s an issue and in many ways symbolizes the decay and rot of the political institutions.
Any sites you would recommend?
I think you’re on to something. However, while I remain ever-optimistic, the future at this point doesn’t look too wonderful either. At any rate, not if we continue down this current path of “progress” which is very much about the flattening of natural hierarchies and relationships in favor of governance by a small group of oligarchs and their panderers. While the past is the past, it is often overlooked as a source of inspiration for moving forward in favor of current trends and vogues. This arises from the grave misassumption that we, as the current living generation, believe ourselves to be the most enlightened intelligent people in the history of the planet, and therefore should pay no heed to the outmoded fancies of our crude and uninformed forebears.
I posit that, despite all our technological advancements, many of the problems we face today are not inherently different from those in the past. Way back in the last days of the Roman Empire when it was rife with corruption, nepotism, laziness, and economic malaise, people were also complaining that the ‘world is old’. Similar to back then, we find ourselves within a civilization that is crumbling under the weight of its own inconsistencies with no clear way forward. Perhaps harkening back to the lessons of the past is not such a bad thing after all.
I think this is a reasonable assertion. When I make comments fueled by rage – I gotta lot of rage at the political leadership these days lol – it certainly gets more likes and such.
However, I still think Unherd is better than the vast majority of news sites out there. And rage and blame is part of the human condition IMO. It’s almost inescapable.
I get how it can be frustrating. The amount of ink spilled on trans issues is exhausting sometimes. But it’s an issue and in many ways symbolizes the decay and rot of the political institutions.
Any sites you would recommend?
Thank you for asking. To me it means the following:
I have contributed to UnHerd for two years (almost) and I am not renewing. When it first started, people came up with clever ideas, thoughts, possible solutions to problems; however feeble we were, we tried.
Today UnHerd is only about blame – you blame the left, or Boris Johnson, or men (if you are a feminist) or muslims or the lack of grammar schools or anything modern. So, old people want to get the past back and blame people for the present because the past is not coming back.
UnHerd is the past.
So you approve of dogwhistle labels?
‘dogwhistle labels’ is unknown jargon for me. Talking in jargon does not help the future.
‘dogwhistle labels’ is unknown jargon for me. Talking in jargon does not help the future.
The Left a phantom? No, it’s real, very real.
What does this mean? Maybe elaborate a bit.
So you approve of dogwhistle labels?
UnHerders’ fear of the phantom ..llllefft.. continues unabated. If in doubt blame the government. If still in doubt blame the left.
The term populism seems to be used as a big stick which the left use to smear and beat anyone who disagrees with them.
I’m fascinated by the fixation on Orban from the political and media elite.
To refer to him as a populist is mind blowing. He is like the right-wing version of the Democrats and every mainstream party in Europe.
He’s accused of controlling the media, controlling the bureaucracy, pressuring corporations for political gain, rewarding cronies.
Isn’t this exactly what the Dems do in the States? Same with the Libs in Canada, the Tories and Labour in the UK.
Orban just happens to represent the values of most people in his country. He wins with 53% of the vote compared to 35% for the opposition. Meanwhile, the Libs win with 32% of the vote in Canada, compared to 36% for the Conservative opposition.
I’m fascinated by the fixation on Orban from the political and media elite.
To refer to him as a populist is mind blowing. He is like the right-wing version of the Democrats and every mainstream party in Europe.
He’s accused of controlling the media, controlling the bureaucracy, pressuring corporations for political gain, rewarding cronies.
Isn’t this exactly what the Dems do in the States? Same with the Libs in Canada, the Tories and Labour in the UK.
Orban just happens to represent the values of most people in his country. He wins with 53% of the vote compared to 35% for the opposition. Meanwhile, the Libs win with 32% of the vote in Canada, compared to 36% for the Conservative opposition.
I’m not surprised that populism is on the rise. Right now the message we get from those who would rule over us is: “We believe in absolute equality for all…except for those of us who will continue to enrich ourselves while we reduce living standards and restrict any form of speech that criticizes us for doing this.”
I’m not surprised that populism is on the rise. Right now the message we get from those who would rule over us is: “We believe in absolute equality for all…except for those of us who will continue to enrich ourselves while we reduce living standards and restrict any form of speech that criticizes us for doing this.”
“So ignore the comforting narratives of populist decline. Democracy as we know it is still wide open to disruption.”
What a bizarre thing to say. Is it meant to signal irony, or a genuine fear that voters might vote for change?
When people the laptop classes don’t like win elections, it’s a “threat to democracy”.
When people the laptop classes don’t like win elections, it’s a “threat to democracy”.
“So ignore the comforting narratives of populist decline. Democracy as we know it is still wide open to disruption.”
What a bizarre thing to say. Is it meant to signal irony, or a genuine fear that voters might vote for change?
Not sure why narratives of populist decline are supposed to be comforting. Bring on the 2020s I say.
Not sure why narratives of populist decline are supposed to be comforting. Bring on the 2020s I say.
The article closes with the implicit assertion that populism = disruption = bad.
But democracy = ignoring al least some majority opinions = good?
This article is a collection of category errors.
The article closes with the implicit assertion that populism = disruption = bad.
But democracy = ignoring al least some majority opinions = good?
This article is a collection of category errors.
Definitions are largely meaningless – I prefer to rely on the ‘when it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck then its a duck.’ approach.
What is apparent is rise in dissatisfaction with the rule of the blob, aka the current political establishment in its widest meaning (including civil servants, judiciary, big business, regulators et al)
Yes, the word ‘populist’ / ‘populism’ is used as a derogatory term – by the blob – seeking to protect their own interests.
And yes, dissatisfaction with the rule of the blob exists on all sides of the political spectrum – Starmer & Sunak are virtually interchangeable as leaders of their respective blob tribes.
Definitions are largely meaningless – I prefer to rely on the ‘when it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck then its a duck.’ approach.
What is apparent is rise in dissatisfaction with the rule of the blob, aka the current political establishment in its widest meaning (including civil servants, judiciary, big business, regulators et al)
Yes, the word ‘populist’ / ‘populism’ is used as a derogatory term – by the blob – seeking to protect their own interests.
And yes, dissatisfaction with the rule of the blob exists on all sides of the political spectrum – Starmer & Sunak are virtually interchangeable as leaders of their respective blob tribes.
Meloni is certainly no threat whatever to the status quo. The EU and NATO have nothing whatever to fear from her.
How come? I was quite impressed with her standing up to Macron regarding ‘refugee’ boats. Also liked her criticism of EU’s 2035 ban against combustions. There are practical moves against welfare for foreigners, too. Personally, I like Meloni (not a good reason). She seems genuine in her care for Italy, appreciation for Western culture and is a conservative (references to Roger Scruton, Tolkien photos, etc).
We’ll see in the next few years.
How come? I was quite impressed with her standing up to Macron regarding ‘refugee’ boats. Also liked her criticism of EU’s 2035 ban against combustions. There are practical moves against welfare for foreigners, too. Personally, I like Meloni (not a good reason). She seems genuine in her care for Italy, appreciation for Western culture and is a conservative (references to Roger Scruton, Tolkien photos, etc).
We’ll see in the next few years.
Meloni is certainly no threat whatever to the status quo. The EU and NATO have nothing whatever to fear from her.
I’m not sure what the author is saying here. Definitely don’t think there is a decline in populism. Trump out and Desantis in. We supposedly have a populist leader heading up the Conservative Party in Canada, although I’m skeptical. Europe is littered with populists. Hmm.
I’m not sure what the author is saying here. Definitely don’t think there is a decline in populism. Trump out and Desantis in. We supposedly have a populist leader heading up the Conservative Party in Canada, although I’m skeptical. Europe is littered with populists. Hmm.
This one is a bullseye. Populism is alive and well. Even if some of its drivers like Bolsonaro and Trump crash and burn, the anti-globalist, anti-elite, anti-corporate grassroots anger that drives it remains, and as the movement matures, the cream rises to the top while the orange haired clowns of the world get pushed aside in favor of more serious and competent men and women. DeSantis, if he runs a good campaign and sticks to a core message of taking on corporate meddling in politics, defending the middle class, putting America first, tackling immigration, and restoring industry could win by massive margins if the Dems can’t do better than Joe Biden in 2024.
This one is a bullseye. Populism is alive and well. Even if some of its drivers like Bolsonaro and Trump crash and burn, the anti-globalist, anti-elite, anti-corporate grassroots anger that drives it remains, and as the movement matures, the cream rises to the top while the orange haired clowns of the world get pushed aside in favor of more serious and competent men and women. DeSantis, if he runs a good campaign and sticks to a core message of taking on corporate meddling in politics, defending the middle class, putting America first, tackling immigration, and restoring industry could win by massive margins if the Dems can’t do better than Joe Biden in 2024.
A convoluted essay. Just say, those leaders who believe in national borders and those who do not. The United Nations Ideals vs Nations Aspirations
Why do we give any credence to an institute run by a failed politician deemed by many to be an international war criminal? The TBI is nothing but an ideologically woke lobbying organisation for the global élite and the sooner it is denied the oxygen of publicity, the better. Let them wither on the vine.
“Democracy is wide open to disruption.”
Er, Isn’t that the point of elections?
Being questioned, challenged, reformed, modernised, innovated,
Disrupted? Maybe not
Not sure why similarities between some of the left ideologies and populist’s come as a surprise to many,
In a reductive example:
they both claim to support the working class, their methods as to get there differ