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Musk is becoming a true Caesar The Twitter Files are a weapon of the new authoritarianism

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December 7, 2022   7 mins

Is it okay to be authoritarian, as long as it’s in the name of the right moral values? Some “post-liberal’ conservatives would say so. America might have been founded on the liberal separation of church and state, the argument goes, but that’s running out of road. Instead, to save the American polity and way of life, church and state should once again draw together.

But if there’s one lesson we should take from the ongoing spectacle surrounding the Hunter Biden laptop, it’s not the avalanche of claims and counter-claims about censorship or bias, or the sulphurous accusation of stolen elections. It’s that polite proposals about a bit more Christianity in the public square are hopelessly behind the times. All of politics is already post-liberal, and mainstream power has already explicitly embraced a faith-based moral order.

That is: American Church and American State have already ended their three-century separation. And Laptopgate is most significant in what it reveals about the contest now on for a suitable post-liberal political regime: a battle that pits the “human” against something more like a “swarm”.

To recap, shortly before the 2020 election, a laptop was discovered in a computer repair shop which was later verified as belonging to Joe Biden’s son Hunter. Emails and other information were found on the laptop that revealed Biden fils to have been up to some dodgy stuff. The story was broken by the Right-wing New York Post, shortly before the 2020 election. It was swiftly censored on Twitter, where for some time it was impossible even to share the story via direct message.

Now, Elon Musk has released internal Twitter emails from back then to journalists Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss. Last week, Taibbi published a lengthy Twitter thread based on this data, setting out his view of the context and events surrounding Laptopgate. And these confirm the extent to which the Biden laptop story was censored, and how flimsy the pretext was for doing so.

Needless to say, the story has reignited Right-wing grievance. Blake Masters fumed: “Any candidate who explained how Big Tech put its thumb on the scale was called an ‘election denier’ — but the simple truth is that the Hunter Biden laptop censorship put Biden into the White House, full stop”.

What is Elon Musk playing at with this intervention? He has claimed that his aim in buying Twitter was to hold it to public neutrality: that is, to the order governed by liberal proceduralism. But this can’t actually be done, thanks to the digital revolution in which Musk himself is an active, heavyweight player. I doubt Musk is unaware of this. Instead, we should read the Twitter files as an intervention in the bitter contest over the form politics should take after liberalism.

If post-liberal theorists called for a re-convergence between political power and an overt moral framework, they got their wish during the pandemic — in classic Monkey’s Paw style. For Covid-19 did indeed prompt Western governments to bypass liberal norms in the interests of a common good. The twist is that as it turns out, Christian-flavoured conservatism isn’t the only moral matrix in town. Rather, to escalating murmurs of disquiet from liberals on both Left and Right, the moral outlook that reached pandemic-era hegemony was the fusion of progressivism with the interests of technocapital whose core credos make up the now-famous “In this house, we believe…” lawn sign.

We might characterise this as progressive post-liberalism, colloquially known as “wokeism”. Its proponents, like all post-liberals, believe that authoritarian measures are just fine, provided they’re ordered to the right moral priors. Because from a post-liberal perspective, whether progressive or otherwise, some values are so existential that “neutrality” is itself a moral failure: “bothsidesism”.

This re-moralisation of power is chiefly driven by progressives, not conservatives, and constitutes the nuclear core of contemporary “culture wars”. It’s also the backdrop to the Hunter Biden story, and why that story matters beyond American electoral politics. For since 2016, Twitter has emerged as one of the most powerful digital-era mechanisms for elite consensus-formation, with a reach well beyond the United States.

Twitter leaders have justified this role with a claim to liberal neutrality — even as it has grown increasingly clear that content moderation decisions taken by the platform’s employees in fact skewed progressive post-liberal. This is perhaps unsurprising, given that the younger graduates who flock to the tech sector skew progressive — especially the graduate women who, in that sector, cluster in non-coding roles (such as, for example, content moderation). But when a platform that serves in effect as public square is governed according to an overt moral framework, what you have is something like a soft theocracy.

So is Elon just trying to end this theocracy, purge the bad actors, and make Twitter into a liberal neutral space again? Perhaps. But I think it likely he knows how futile such an attempt would be. For there’s no putting the post-liberal genie back in the bottle: it is to a great extent an effect of our transition from print to digital, a profound shift that makes key liberal ideas increasingly untenable.

For example, some censorship is an inevitability in the digital era. At the same time, the digital public square undermines trust in institutional authority — and also objectivity as such. It hollows out localism, attenuating electoral politics and virtualising “communities”, which in turn compromises: “losers’ consent”. At the material level, these shifts combine with the brute fact that the post-industrial masses are genuinely less essential to the functioning of the overall economy than industrial workers, meaning their voice can often safely be ignored.

Taken together, this all suggests that electoral democracy may continue to grow, if not toothless, steadily less toothful. What, then, might emerge in its stead? If the front-runner for the successor moral freamework is progressive post-liberalism, the front-runner for the corresponding post-democratic political system is still undecided. And Musk’s latest contribution to the Hunter Biden story makes most sense understood as an intervention in this contest.

The Biden administration is fond of talking about “democracy” versus “autocracy”, but it might be more accurate to talk about swarmism and Caesarism. Swarmism is a kind of post-democratic democracy: a mutant form of liberal proceduralism, characterised by collective decision-making in which no one is ever individually accountable. Instead, consequential decisions are as far as possible pushed out to supposedly neutral procedures or even machines. When NGO officials whom you can’t vote out of your political ecosystem talk about “our democracy”, they’re talking about swarmism.

Caesarism, on the other hand, looks substantially the same at lower levels. The main difference is that you get named humans in key decision-making roles — complete with human partiality, eccentricity, and occasional fallibility. Twitter was, until recently, a key vector of elite swarmism. And to swarmists, such rule by a named individual, rather than a collective and some committee-generated “guidelines”, is by definition morally wrong. This core assumption oozes, for example, from this report on the takeover, with its empathetic depiction of the anonymous, collegiate collective of sacked Trust and Safety workers sharply contrasted with the autocratic, erratic individual Elon Musk.

Some defenders of Twitter decision-making over the Hunter Biden case point to the fact that the emails reveal no overt demands for censorship from the CIA or any other political agency. But this is the point: swarmism doesn’t work like that. Consensus-formation is mystified and de-personalised at every turn. The Twitter Files are explosive because they afforded a peek under the purportedly neutral swarmist carapace, revealing not just the named individuals involved in steering it but also human fallibility and political affinities.

The Hunter Biden censorship was justified by a claim of “hacking” which (according to a source who spoke to Taibbi) was already understood as nonsense excuse after a few hours. But in true swarmist style, once that policy was agreed “no one had the guts to reverse it”. This is a world in which no one is ever directly responsible for anything — even as the things that no one in particular is responsible for come to be the very nuts and bolts of politics itself.

For example, former Twitter executive Vijaya Gadde, who played a key role in Laptopgate and was reportedly behind the decision to deplatform Donald Trump a few weeks later, was subsequently whisked through the revolving door into a Biden White House advisory gig shaping policy on “disinformation”. As a relatively faceless collective, this committee itself constitutes a kind of swarm. The rules it sets in turn constrain the larger nationwide digital swarm, by setting the parameters for “disinformation”, which is to say the moral hierarchy of the tech-enabled attention politics that has supplanted “freedom of speech”. Thus constrained, then, the digital swarm then coordinates public opinion, and by extension delivers something like the successor to “democracy”: a collective hive-mind whose currents and influencers are often mystified, but which has considerable influence, for example in shaping public policy during Covid.

The Twitter Files are Musk’s Caesarist counterpunch. Their explosive power lies in the insight afforded into how that supposedly neutral, procedural, pre-political swarmist sausage is made. By publicising individual, named actors who operated under the bonnet in a crucial swarmist political stronghold, Musk pulled back the curtain, re-humanising the swarm’s supposedly impersonal manoeuvres.

And viewed close up, this reveals that there’s nothing magical or morally refined about swarm governance at all. Rather, it’s a miasma of petty bureaucrats and petty rules, coordinated by class interests and greeting-card metaphysics, plus some algorithms and a desire to look good. It’s powered by the same backroom deals and self-interest as politics since time immemorial. In its way, it’s just as arbitrary. The only thing that’s different about it is that it pretends to emerge spontaneously.

Meanwhile, the truth is that the alternative isn’t much better. It’s just more human — something made explicit by Musk’s autocratic approach to un-banning deplatformed accounts. Musk is, after all, far from being always a populist: he may have tweeted “Vox populi, vox dei” before reinstating Donald Trump after a Twitter poll, but no such amnesty has been forthcoming for Alex Jones. It’s a fairly explicit statement about what (or rather who) serves as the backstop to vox populi, under digital conditions.

Most of Musk’s Twitter interventions make sense in this light: not as a return to liberal proceduralism, or direct democracy, or even against humans merging with the machine (something Musk seems to be actively championing elsewhere, with Neuralink). Rather, it’s a play to re-normalise accepting a final human arbiter for important decisions — even if in practice that sometimes looks disturbingly autocratic from a liberal perspective.

I’m not cheerleading for Musk as Caesar. Just because I dislike faceless proceduralism doesn’t mean I have much appetite to see political authority gathered into the mercurial hands of a transhumanist billionaire who wants to implant microchips in human brains. But the critical thing to recognise is that none of the post-democratic options are, well, very democratic at all. And short of unplugging the internet, there’s not a great deal we can do about that.

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Mary Harrington is a contributing editor at UnHerd.

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Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

I think Musk sees what most rational, decently informed people see – virtually all the institutions have been hijacked by a small group of left-wing ideologues who are completely disconnected from the average person on the street.

Culture, big tech, media, academia, the arts, the bureaucracy, NGOs, finance, to name only a few, are all controlled by people with an identical ideology. This uniformity is dangerous for a healthy democracy – very dangerous.

Musk is simply trying to push back. He’s not a savior, but his non-conformity is desperately needed.

Simon Blanchard
Simon Blanchard
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

True, I suppose. But only in the same way that, let’s call it “Big Money”, has hijacked our politicians and public assets. Perhaps it was inevitable but as the article concludes, it’s hard to see a way back from where are.

Ruari McCallion
Ruari McCallion
1 year ago

She made the point about “big money”, eloquently & rather chillingly :

“these shifts combine with the brute fact that the post-industrial masses are genuinely less essential to the functioning of the overall economy than industrial workers, meaning their voice can often safely be ignored.”

Well worth reading the whole lot, IMHO

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

That sentence deserves an asterisk. Their voice can be safely ignored… until they show up at the mansions of the elite with pitchforks and torches, which, if things get bad enough, they eventually will. It would be more accurate to say that their voice can safely be ignored so long as they are physically pacified by other means (bread and games will still work just as well as it did for the Caesars). Julias Caesar was the first to notice this dynamic in the ancient Roman Republic, which had decayed to the point it was more of an oligarchy controlled by ultra-wealthy elites, and he used public anger against the oligarchs to destroy them and replace the corrupt Republic with an arbitrary but slightly less corrupt empire. It bears remembering that an autocrat can be a good or a bad leader. Oligarchy is always bad for everyone except the oligarchs and the nearest servant classes.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I’m not sure that they need to fear our pitchforks and torches any more, or if they still do, then it won’t be for much longer. They have robot dogs to shot us all now. The rise of the robot soldier changes that calculation profoundly and robs us of even our last tiny little bit of leverage. Welcome to hell.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Persephone

The problem is those robots are hideously expensive to produce and depend on energy that is produced by a system that is fragile and vulnerable to all manner of sabotage and interference. Furthermore, there is little actual evidence that all this technology creep actually increases the chance of real victory. We all just witnessed the most powerful military the world has ever seen spend twenty years trying and failing to destroy a small group of religious radicals (the Taliban) armed with not much more than AK-47s, surely the modern equivalent of pitchforks and torches. Modern post WWI militaries centered around high degrees of specialization, a combined arms approach, expensive technology platforms, and force multiplication are great at fighting other large, organized, armies, but much less suited to fighting asymmetric warfare. Trying to use modern militaries to fight small groups of disorganized rebels who pick soft targets, cause as much damage as possible, and then simply retreat and blend into local populations is like trying to use a sledgehammer to kill mosquitoes. I believe they do fear the pitchforks and torches. Their reaction to Donald Trump in general and Jan 6th in particular suggests they fear domestic insurrection far more than they fear any other threat. Their fear is justified.

JJ Barnett
JJ Barnett
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

The Chinese version of Boston Dynamics’ famous Spot (the dog robot) is well under 20k, retail.

That’s why local government’s bought them to police the streets in places like China, or the parks and open spaces of Singapore.

The escalation curve on the sophistication of what companies like BD are producing is just insane, their humanoid robot is seriously sophisticated. And anything they can make, the Chinese can steal and bootleg for less.

:/

JJ Barnett
JJ Barnett
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

The Chinese version of Boston Dynamics’ famous Spot (the dog robot) is well under 20k, retail.

That’s why local government’s bought them to police the streets in places like China, or the parks and open spaces of Singapore.

The escalation curve on the sophistication of what companies like BD are producing is just insane, their humanoid robot is seriously sophisticated. And anything they can make, the Chinese can steal and bootleg for less.

:/

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Persephone

Interesting point but I think you are missing the level of treachery and sabotage that nerdy subversives can bring to the table.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Persephone

The problem is those robots are hideously expensive to produce and depend on energy that is produced by a system that is fragile and vulnerable to all manner of sabotage and interference. Furthermore, there is little actual evidence that all this technology creep actually increases the chance of real victory. We all just witnessed the most powerful military the world has ever seen spend twenty years trying and failing to destroy a small group of religious radicals (the Taliban) armed with not much more than AK-47s, surely the modern equivalent of pitchforks and torches. Modern post WWI militaries centered around high degrees of specialization, a combined arms approach, expensive technology platforms, and force multiplication are great at fighting other large, organized, armies, but much less suited to fighting asymmetric warfare. Trying to use modern militaries to fight small groups of disorganized rebels who pick soft targets, cause as much damage as possible, and then simply retreat and blend into local populations is like trying to use a sledgehammer to kill mosquitoes. I believe they do fear the pitchforks and torches. Their reaction to Donald Trump in general and Jan 6th in particular suggests they fear domestic insurrection far more than they fear any other threat. Their fear is justified.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Persephone

Interesting point but I think you are missing the level of treachery and sabotage that nerdy subversives can bring to the table.

M G
M G
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Indeed. And that’s the reason, I think, the author fails to drive her acutely insightful analysis to its logical conclusion in the last paragraph. What Musk represents is not “Caesarism” but a “swarm” that has “caesaristic” propensities. In other words, in this post-liberal political space that the author describes, the battle is between the swarm of the “small and the many” and the swarm of the “large and the few”. The reason why the latter matters is because it is truly transnational in nature – just like it’s antagonistic counterpart and because it controls most of the resources that allows the constituents of its antagonistic swarm to exist.

No, Musk is no saviour. He is the vanguard of a post-liberal theocracy of morality that is, while technophilic in its presentation, is also anachronistically Puranitical.

Chris Mackay
Chris Mackay
1 year ago
Reply to  M G

Also, The following is plain nonsense – “For example, some censorship is an inevitability in the digital era”. There is no such thing as too big to fail or too powerful to fight against (France; Russia: Chile; Spain etc.) as corruption has its own inevitability of failure. As Musk is showing the way.

Chris Mackay
Chris Mackay
1 year ago
Reply to  M G

Also, The following is plain nonsense – “For example, some censorship is an inevitability in the digital era”. There is no such thing as too big to fail or too powerful to fight against (France; Russia: Chile; Spain etc.) as corruption has its own inevitability of failure. As Musk is showing the way.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

“Oligarchy is always bad for everyone except the oligarchs and the nearest servant classes”.

Plato would disagree of course! The idea of political democracy was an anathema for 2 millennia in the West and as far as I know, unknown anywhere else in the world at any time. The Athenian democracy did not last; perhaps the specific conditions which made a kind of representative democracy and some real measure of power for ordinary people, albeit largely mediated through large class-based political parties, are now passing.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I’m not sure that they need to fear our pitchforks and torches any more, or if they still do, then it won’t be for much longer. They have robot dogs to shot us all now. The rise of the robot soldier changes that calculation profoundly and robs us of even our last tiny little bit of leverage. Welcome to hell.

M G
M G
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Indeed. And that’s the reason, I think, the author fails to drive her acutely insightful analysis to its logical conclusion in the last paragraph. What Musk represents is not “Caesarism” but a “swarm” that has “caesaristic” propensities. In other words, in this post-liberal political space that the author describes, the battle is between the swarm of the “small and the many” and the swarm of the “large and the few”. The reason why the latter matters is because it is truly transnational in nature – just like it’s antagonistic counterpart and because it controls most of the resources that allows the constituents of its antagonistic swarm to exist.

No, Musk is no saviour. He is the vanguard of a post-liberal theocracy of morality that is, while technophilic in its presentation, is also anachronistically Puranitical.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

“Oligarchy is always bad for everyone except the oligarchs and the nearest servant classes”.

Plato would disagree of course! The idea of political democracy was an anathema for 2 millennia in the West and as far as I know, unknown anywhere else in the world at any time. The Athenian democracy did not last; perhaps the specific conditions which made a kind of representative democracy and some real measure of power for ordinary people, albeit largely mediated through large class-based political parties, are now passing.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
John Sullivan
John Sullivan
1 year ago

She “rather eloquently” spouted a load of utter claptrap imo.

Would you classify Dutch farmers as post-industrial masses, and do you think they can “safely be ignored”? Canadian truckers?

Mary Thomas
Mary Thomas
1 year ago
Reply to  John Sullivan

Think of the Yellow Vests too

Mary Thomas
Mary Thomas
1 year ago
Reply to  John Sullivan

Think of the Yellow Vests too

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

That sentence deserves an asterisk. Their voice can be safely ignored… until they show up at the mansions of the elite with pitchforks and torches, which, if things get bad enough, they eventually will. It would be more accurate to say that their voice can safely be ignored so long as they are physically pacified by other means (bread and games will still work just as well as it did for the Caesars). Julias Caesar was the first to notice this dynamic in the ancient Roman Republic, which had decayed to the point it was more of an oligarchy controlled by ultra-wealthy elites, and he used public anger against the oligarchs to destroy them and replace the corrupt Republic with an arbitrary but slightly less corrupt empire. It bears remembering that an autocrat can be a good or a bad leader. Oligarchy is always bad for everyone except the oligarchs and the nearest servant classes.

John Sullivan
John Sullivan
1 year ago

She “rather eloquently” spouted a load of utter claptrap imo.

Would you classify Dutch farmers as post-industrial masses, and do you think they can “safely be ignored”? Canadian truckers?

Ruari McCallion
Ruari McCallion
1 year ago

She made the point about “big money”, eloquently & rather chillingly :

“these shifts combine with the brute fact that the post-industrial masses are genuinely less essential to the functioning of the overall economy than industrial workers, meaning their voice can often safely be ignored.”

Well worth reading the whole lot, IMHO

David Harris
David Harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

So basically I’m f…d, you’re f…d, they’re f…d. We’re all f…d.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

A good sign is that Musk certainly has his faults and his shortcomings, but he is not driven by money in and of itself i.e. only what the money can do to pay for his goals.
His goals are success in the pursuit of new ideas to save humanity. Now that sounds dubious coming from a billionaire – after all they all mouth their high-minded soundbites, but he truly is extraordinary – he doesn’t buy luxury properties and his biggest luxury is his jet which he uses in the main to work extraordinary hours.
Another thing is that he is on the spectrum and has admitted to Aspergers – that means you get lots of unfiltered comments, but oh so much less manipulation and fewer lies.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Musk is a CIA Creation who is only in business because of CIA support.
He has never made a nickel from his incredible exploding cars that pollute more, not less than ICE cars.
The whole thing is just drama, with all the flunkies he fired, the head of the censors, who banned Trump is still a member in good standing of the Twitter organization.
I never posted there or on Facebook, I saw them coming.

Stephen Gill
Stephen Gill
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

FACTs: Electric vehicles typically have a smaller carbon footprint than gasoline cars, even when accounting for the electricity used for charging.
Electric car batteries will not end up in landfill sites – they are too valuable for that. Today, the batteries often get a new life in the power system to support the phasing in of wind and sun power. After that it will pay to recycle them because they contain valuable materials.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51977625

Jim Stanton
Jim Stanton
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Gill

This is simply not true and referencing a site by a State owned media outlet should tell you everything you need to know.

Paul Boizot
Paul Boizot
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Stanton

Portugal beat Switzerland 6-1 in the World Cup – or maybe not, as I read it on the BBC – https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63789753

Last edited 1 year ago by Paul Boizot
Andy O'Gorman
Andy O'Gorman
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Boizot

Wouldn’t know – not really interested. However, I would fact check everything the BBC says these days.

Andy O'Gorman
Andy O'Gorman
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Boizot

Wouldn’t know – not really interested. However, I would fact check everything the BBC says these days.

Paul Boizot
Paul Boizot
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Stanton

Portugal beat Switzerland 6-1 in the World Cup – or maybe not, as I read it on the BBC – https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63789753

Last edited 1 year ago by Paul Boizot
Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Gill

EVs contain 5x more copper than petrol-powered vehicles. That fact alone should give you pause for thought. How much carbon is emitted in the mining, refining, shipping and manufacturing of all that copper?

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago

I’m glad you’re so concerned about the environment, personally I don’t really care, I just think my EV(not a Tesla) is a better car, its a pleasure to drive and has lower running costs
worrying about copper is a new one, usually is something about Lithium or Cobalt maybe

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago

I’m glad you’re so concerned about the environment, personally I don’t really care, I just think my EV(not a Tesla) is a better car, its a pleasure to drive and has lower running costs
worrying about copper is a new one, usually is something about Lithium or Cobalt maybe

John Sullivan
John Sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Gill

“Facts” lol.

Sure they are.

Carmel Shortall
Carmel Shortall
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Gill

What is a car’s “carbon footprint”?

Jim Stanton
Jim Stanton
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Gill

This is simply not true and referencing a site by a State owned media outlet should tell you everything you need to know.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Gill

EVs contain 5x more copper than petrol-powered vehicles. That fact alone should give you pause for thought. How much carbon is emitted in the mining, refining, shipping and manufacturing of all that copper?

John Sullivan
John Sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Gill

“Facts” lol.

Sure they are.

Carmel Shortall
Carmel Shortall
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Gill

What is a car’s “carbon footprint”?

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Tesla has made a profit, Musk has foolishly invested billions of his Tesla shares in Twitter, dumb move IMO, I don’t understand the Worlds obsession with Twitter
SpaceX makes very large profits, Starlink will make huge profits
He’s not a creation of the CIA. He got lucky in the dotcom boom, made aprox 150million and used the ,money to start SpaceX and Tesla. when he stared SpaceX and Tesla, there were other start ups in the same areas, most failed, for example the only reason Blue Origin still exist is because Bezos is willing be spend $1 billion a year keeping it going

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

100%

Stephen Gill
Stephen Gill
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

FACTs: Electric vehicles typically have a smaller carbon footprint than gasoline cars, even when accounting for the electricity used for charging.
Electric car batteries will not end up in landfill sites – they are too valuable for that. Today, the batteries often get a new life in the power system to support the phasing in of wind and sun power. After that it will pay to recycle them because they contain valuable materials.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51977625

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Tesla has made a profit, Musk has foolishly invested billions of his Tesla shares in Twitter, dumb move IMO, I don’t understand the Worlds obsession with Twitter
SpaceX makes very large profits, Starlink will make huge profits
He’s not a creation of the CIA. He got lucky in the dotcom boom, made aprox 150million and used the ,money to start SpaceX and Tesla. when he stared SpaceX and Tesla, there were other start ups in the same areas, most failed, for example the only reason Blue Origin still exist is because Bezos is willing be spend $1 billion a year keeping it going

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

100%

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

That’s it. Aspies are nothing if not honest. If only there were more of them in politics, and fewer psychopaths.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

Presumably Guardsman 33 Joy, you are one yourself?

James P
James P
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

I worked for an aspie engineer once. His relationship to the truth was tenuous at best.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

Presumably Guardsman 33 Joy, you are one yourself?

James P
James P
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

I worked for an aspie engineer once. His relationship to the truth was tenuous at best.

Richard Webster
Richard Webster
1 year ago

‘………..but oh so much less manipulation and fewer lies.”
You must be joking.He’s manipulator and liar in chief, up there with Donald Trump.A high achieving snake oil salesman…….namely, at actually selling snake oil to members of the gullible cult which follows him.
All his so called “achievements” are down to the actual originators, creators and developers of innovative technologies which he has managed to wangle his manipulative way into control of.Nothing is down to him apart from a constant flow of lies and a successful skill in always getting himself secured in the forefront of the media’s attention.
Really a case of “Caesar” has no clothes or more accurately the “Wizard of Oz”.
Hope he fails and falls to earth and out of our consciousness.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

Speaking as someone with Asperger’s, it isn’t that we’re incapable of lying, but we struggle to do it credibly as we struggle with most social situations. Speaking personally, I’m just as capable of deception as anyone else, probably better than most, but I almost never lie. Because social situations, and conversation in general, is something of a performance for me, I can simply carefully choose what to say and what to leave unsaid, like an actor in an improv sketch, in order to steer the conversation, and people never suspect anything because, as I said, I almost never lie. Crafting a public persona is a bit trickier but the impersonal nature of the internet helps. If Musk is similar to myself, then his entire public persona is likely a carefully constructed fiction created to serve his purpose, whatever that might be. Asperger’s makes me doubt his public persona more than I would an average person, because anyone with Asperger’s who becomes successful in a position with extensive public interaction like Elon must necessarily be excellent at what we call ‘faking normal’ and that entails, by necessity, a considerable amount of deception. Even the decision to reveal he has Asperger’s was probably calculated because autism is now widely known and tends to generate sympathy rather than fear/anger/etc. as opposed to say… schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, which may generate sympathy but also fear, which is rarely helpful. That’s a small sample as to the Machiavellian machinations that the Asperger’s mind is capable of, and it just came to me off the top of my head. I wouldn’t get in the habit of trusting people with Asperger’s or any other form of autism further than anyone else.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Jolly
Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Hmm… interesting. I’m enjoying your posts Steve, and couldn’t care less about whether you have Asperger’s or not, but if you have, that’s a useful insight.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Thanks. I don’t expect you to take my word for it of course, but I don’t particularly use the types of deception I describe often anymore, nor do I particularly enjoy them. These days I prefer to just avoid group socialization entirely. I can easily imagine the tactics to build a public persona, and could probably do it if I wanted to and make it seem like basically anyone you could name, but I’m lazy and have no compelling reason to go to the trouble. Elon pretty clearly is not lazy and because he is on the spectrum, I doubt he would put forth so much effort into his public front if he didn’t have a pretty serious purpose behind it. I am unsure what his agenda is, but I’m nearly certain he must have one. It may be as simple as that it’s something that fascinates and entertains him personally (many aspies get hung up on odd hobbies or fixate on subjects), or it could be something he has deemed necessary to build and keep his fortune, but then again, it could also be almost anything else. We aspies do not lie well, but we possess a natural advantage in keeping all manner of secrets.

Laura Kelly
Laura Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I’m a diagnosed aspie, and I can lie quite well if I have a moment to think about it. What I’m completely unable to do is to lie spontaneously, without thinking, which is something normies seem to be excellent at from the cradle.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

Well, I sometimes can and sometimes can’t. My attempts have yielded somewhat inconsistent results, so I avoid lying. As you point out, time is a critical element. I can do most social things if the environment is relaxed and comfortable enough and I’m not rushed or stressed or distracted in some way. I can appear almost normal if I care to. I can fake normal for a few interactions but I doubt I could successfully fool someone who was around me every day for more than about two weeks. In a hectic situation or under stress, I will clam up and say exactly as much as minimally necessary and no more, and I don’t handle stress well, which is where the majority of my problems reside. I avoid lying directly because I’ve been told I am bad at it, and I have zero idea how to assess my own believability. Other aspies are different, hence I cautioned the original comment about assuming things regarding our honesty. As you say, compulsive and instinctive lying is totally alien to me as well.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

Well, I sometimes can and sometimes can’t. My attempts have yielded somewhat inconsistent results, so I avoid lying. As you point out, time is a critical element. I can do most social things if the environment is relaxed and comfortable enough and I’m not rushed or stressed or distracted in some way. I can appear almost normal if I care to. I can fake normal for a few interactions but I doubt I could successfully fool someone who was around me every day for more than about two weeks. In a hectic situation or under stress, I will clam up and say exactly as much as minimally necessary and no more, and I don’t handle stress well, which is where the majority of my problems reside. I avoid lying directly because I’ve been told I am bad at it, and I have zero idea how to assess my own believability. Other aspies are different, hence I cautioned the original comment about assuming things regarding our honesty. As you say, compulsive and instinctive lying is totally alien to me as well.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Jolly
Laura Kelly
Laura Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I’m a diagnosed aspie, and I can lie quite well if I have a moment to think about it. What I’m completely unable to do is to lie spontaneously, without thinking, which is something normies seem to be excellent at from the cradle.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Thanks. I don’t expect you to take my word for it of course, but I don’t particularly use the types of deception I describe often anymore, nor do I particularly enjoy them. These days I prefer to just avoid group socialization entirely. I can easily imagine the tactics to build a public persona, and could probably do it if I wanted to and make it seem like basically anyone you could name, but I’m lazy and have no compelling reason to go to the trouble. Elon pretty clearly is not lazy and because he is on the spectrum, I doubt he would put forth so much effort into his public front if he didn’t have a pretty serious purpose behind it. I am unsure what his agenda is, but I’m nearly certain he must have one. It may be as simple as that it’s something that fascinates and entertains him personally (many aspies get hung up on odd hobbies or fixate on subjects), or it could be something he has deemed necessary to build and keep his fortune, but then again, it could also be almost anything else. We aspies do not lie well, but we possess a natural advantage in keeping all manner of secrets.

Alvaro 6
Alvaro 6
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

“autism is now widely known and tends to generate sympathy” and, as shown here, trust!

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Hmm… interesting. I’m enjoying your posts Steve, and couldn’t care less about whether you have Asperger’s or not, but if you have, that’s a useful insight.

Alvaro 6
Alvaro 6
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

“autism is now widely known and tends to generate sympathy” and, as shown here, trust!

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
1 year ago

It may be that people in general prefer an autocratic individual to an autocratic faceless committee. The first is something people believe they have a chance of understanding and, perhaps, influencing; the latter is perceived as an impersonal threat. They may both be threats, but the latter, I think, seems worse to most.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Erik Hildinger

I’ll take that a step further. An individual can be friend or foe, ally or enemy. A faceless bureaucracy on the other hand, has been an enemy to most of humanity for most of history, a necessary evil at best and an oppressive apparatus of control at worse. Also, it is exceedingly hard to pin down and exact any punishment or accountability from that sort of enemy. This is collectivism’s most nefarious trait. It allows individuals to dodge accountability by diluting the blame among several, perhaps many hundreds or even thousands of people, like, for example, a multinational corporation.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Erik Hildinger

I’ll take that a step further. An individual can be friend or foe, ally or enemy. A faceless bureaucracy on the other hand, has been an enemy to most of humanity for most of history, a necessary evil at best and an oppressive apparatus of control at worse. Also, it is exceedingly hard to pin down and exact any punishment or accountability from that sort of enemy. This is collectivism’s most nefarious trait. It allows individuals to dodge accountability by diluting the blame among several, perhaps many hundreds or even thousands of people, like, for example, a multinational corporation.

Alvaro 6
Alvaro 6
1 year ago

Successful high-functioning Aspergers individuals learn to “act normal” to get by in the world. Let me say that again. “Learn to act”. Specially in fields like entrepreneurship and politics, impeccable performance of a character is a must.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Musk is a CIA Creation who is only in business because of CIA support.
He has never made a nickel from his incredible exploding cars that pollute more, not less than ICE cars.
The whole thing is just drama, with all the flunkies he fired, the head of the censors, who banned Trump is still a member in good standing of the Twitter organization.
I never posted there or on Facebook, I saw them coming.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

That’s it. Aspies are nothing if not honest. If only there were more of them in politics, and fewer psychopaths.

Richard Webster
Richard Webster
1 year ago

‘………..but oh so much less manipulation and fewer lies.”
You must be joking.He’s manipulator and liar in chief, up there with Donald Trump.A high achieving snake oil salesman…….namely, at actually selling snake oil to members of the gullible cult which follows him.
All his so called “achievements” are down to the actual originators, creators and developers of innovative technologies which he has managed to wangle his manipulative way into control of.Nothing is down to him apart from a constant flow of lies and a successful skill in always getting himself secured in the forefront of the media’s attention.
Really a case of “Caesar” has no clothes or more accurately the “Wizard of Oz”.
Hope he fails and falls to earth and out of our consciousness.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

Speaking as someone with Asperger’s, it isn’t that we’re incapable of lying, but we struggle to do it credibly as we struggle with most social situations. Speaking personally, I’m just as capable of deception as anyone else, probably better than most, but I almost never lie. Because social situations, and conversation in general, is something of a performance for me, I can simply carefully choose what to say and what to leave unsaid, like an actor in an improv sketch, in order to steer the conversation, and people never suspect anything because, as I said, I almost never lie. Crafting a public persona is a bit trickier but the impersonal nature of the internet helps. If Musk is similar to myself, then his entire public persona is likely a carefully constructed fiction created to serve his purpose, whatever that might be. Asperger’s makes me doubt his public persona more than I would an average person, because anyone with Asperger’s who becomes successful in a position with extensive public interaction like Elon must necessarily be excellent at what we call ‘faking normal’ and that entails, by necessity, a considerable amount of deception. Even the decision to reveal he has Asperger’s was probably calculated because autism is now widely known and tends to generate sympathy rather than fear/anger/etc. as opposed to say… schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, which may generate sympathy but also fear, which is rarely helpful. That’s a small sample as to the Machiavellian machinations that the Asperger’s mind is capable of, and it just came to me off the top of my head. I wouldn’t get in the habit of trusting people with Asperger’s or any other form of autism further than anyone else.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Jolly
Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
1 year ago

It may be that people in general prefer an autocratic individual to an autocratic faceless committee. The first is something people believe they have a chance of understanding and, perhaps, influencing; the latter is perceived as an impersonal threat. They may both be threats, but the latter, I think, seems worse to most.

Alvaro 6
Alvaro 6
1 year ago

Successful high-functioning Aspergers individuals learn to “act normal” to get by in the world. Let me say that again. “Learn to act”. Specially in fields like entrepreneurship and politics, impeccable performance of a character is a must.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

All of this, including the article, is just silly.
Musk is Klaus Schwab’s boy all the way.
WEF Young Leader 2008 Musk is an advocate for the Death Jab, transgenders, and China
Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

Michael McElwee
Michael McElwee
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Who is the hero: Brutus or Ceasar? All college kids answer “Brutus.” The difference is that, now days, so do their professors. The spectacle of human greatness, virtuosity on the political stage, is to be feared only. The word “authoritarianism” wrongly assumes that there is no such thing as authority. “For to live in a political realm with neither authority nor the concomitant awareness that the source of authority transcends power and those who are in power, means to be confronted anew, without the religious trust in a sacred beginning and without the protection of traditional and therefore self-evident standards of behavior, by the elementary problems of human living together.”

Dermot O'Sullivan
Dermot O'Sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

‘Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.’

Who might you be referring to?

Andy O'Gorman
Andy O'Gorman
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Interesting that you spell your christian name starting with a lowercase j. Very telling!

Michael McElwee
Michael McElwee
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Who is the hero: Brutus or Ceasar? All college kids answer “Brutus.” The difference is that, now days, so do their professors. The spectacle of human greatness, virtuosity on the political stage, is to be feared only. The word “authoritarianism” wrongly assumes that there is no such thing as authority. “For to live in a political realm with neither authority nor the concomitant awareness that the source of authority transcends power and those who are in power, means to be confronted anew, without the religious trust in a sacred beginning and without the protection of traditional and therefore self-evident standards of behavior, by the elementary problems of human living together.”

Dermot O'Sullivan
Dermot O'Sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

‘Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.’

Who might you be referring to?

Andy O'Gorman
Andy O'Gorman
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Interesting that you spell your christian name starting with a lowercase j. Very telling!

George Venning
George Venning
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

The people who set this agenda may be uniform in their thinking but leftists they are not.

Rather they appear to be no more than desperate supporters of the Democratic party and that, only insofar as it provides a bulwark against the Republican party.

Consider the following examples of orthodox opinions:

Bernie Sanders appeals only to white men
War in Ukraine must be pursued at all costs
No significant changes can be made to the US healthcare system
Student debt relief must be limited and pursued in a manner that is weirdly vulnerable to legal challenge
Hunter Biden’s laptop could be Russian misinformation (even now that we know it wasn’t)
Hillary Clinton’s strategy of discrediting Bernie Sanders should be ignored because (whilst genuine) it stemmed from a hack of the DMC servers which might have been carried out by the Russians (it wasn’t)

These opions have a flavour to them but it isn’t leftist…

Jon Frum
Jon Frum
1 year ago
Reply to  George Venning

Bernie bro.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  George Venning

Bernie’s supporters were disproportionately women of colour. The misogynistic, white Bernie bro was just one of Hillary’s slanders against him.

Jon Frum
Jon Frum
1 year ago
Reply to  George Venning

Bernie bro.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  George Venning

Bernie’s supporters were disproportionately women of colour. The misogynistic, white Bernie bro was just one of Hillary’s slanders against him.

Richard Webster
Richard Webster
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

You provide a clichéd list backed by no factual evidence or arguments.Truly pathetic.If you want to make a real case then back it with provable facts, rather than slew out the usual culture war, lefty elite usual suspects conspiracy sludge, which amounts to nothing but bla bla.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

I think if he was to provide facts then the list would crowd out room for other comments.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

I think if he was to provide facts then the list would crowd out room for other comments.

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Mary Harrington reminds me of the Wicked Witch of the West skywriting “Surrender Dorothy” above the Emerald City in the Movie “The Wizard of Oz.” She says both sides are evil so we should just give up. That’s ridiculous!

For starters, Musk ain’t Caesar. Musk has no army, no political position or power and has made no illegal political move to seize any political power. Musk has come out in favor of freedom of speech, which horifies all socialists, who want us to believe that censorship is inevitable.

I’m sorry, but no matter how many “experts” tell me that internet censorship is inevitable, I ain’t buying it. I spent all of my 45 plus year career in IT. I’m just as much of an “expert” as anybody else. A distributed internet network can be censored politically if you work at it, but it doesn’t have to be, and shouldn’t be.

The internet was designed to make the cost of information very low, and it has. It has built a path around the traditional gate keepers of information. They resent the hoi poloi having as much say as the “experts” and have moved to shut ordinary people, right wing people, out.

“Monitoring” is expensive. It doesn’t happen automatically. It has to be imposed. It should be fought. People like Musk, Taibbi and Weis who are willing to fight it with words, with free speech, should be applauded.

Last edited 1 year ago by Douglas Proudfoot
Robert Pruger
Robert Pruger
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I surprise myself; Musk may be a Caesar, but he’s the best chance we have to shine a bright light on dark corners, where big tech and government employees were quietly meeting. Transparency leads to accountability, accountability leads to good behaviors. GO MUSK!

Musk didn’t purchase Twitter to increase his net worth. Better ways for him to do that. He appears to have the public interest at heart, that may help us maintain and enhance our constitutional and civil rights. GO MUSK!

Most concerning is that federal employees (elected and unelected), big tech and woke corporations will gun for him. It’s not clear he will be able to withstand the barrage coming his way. But we have no one else to rely to maintain our constitutional and civil rights in a post-liberal society.

If you want an idea what might be a favorable outcome in a post-liberal society, see Freddy Water’s interview with John Mearsheimer. I’m rooting for Musk, from my vantage point, there is no other viable option.

LEON STEPHENS
LEON STEPHENS
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Dangerous for a *healthy* democracy? What “healthy democracy” are you referring to? The only ones in my sightline, which are in Europe and North America, are so rotten that only someone with no sense of smell could be fooled into calling them healthy. But this is a well known syndrome: signalong the dangers to this or that when the catastrophe is already an established fact, unseen because too many heads are stuck in the sand, and too many bums offering themselves to be shafted..

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  LEON STEPHENS

That is why we need Musk.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  LEON STEPHENS

That is why we need Musk.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

…Mary has made an intriguing and original contribution with this article, which articulates a growing awareness many have, that parliamentary democracy is now in charge of b****r-all. And frankly, is unlikely to revive any time soon because the swarm dynamics of proceduralism are being vastly enhanced by technology.

John Sullivan
John Sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Perhaps he just doesn’t like liars and cheats?

I am absolutely baffled as to why so many here seem to believe the incoherent ramblings of Harrington make the slightest sense. She seems completely incapable of independent thought to me – more like some kind of over-educated robot.

But then I am not American.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I broadly agree with your sentiments, but the depressing news is that these ‘identity post-liberal politics’ are not pushed only by a small group.

Their assumptions and world view are now very deeply embedded, certainly in academia, by most young people, the vast majority of public institutions, HR departments etc.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
Simon Blanchard
Simon Blanchard
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

True, I suppose. But only in the same way that, let’s call it “Big Money”, has hijacked our politicians and public assets. Perhaps it was inevitable but as the article concludes, it’s hard to see a way back from where are.

David Harris
David Harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

So basically I’m f…d, you’re f…d, they’re f…d. We’re all f…d.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

A good sign is that Musk certainly has his faults and his shortcomings, but he is not driven by money in and of itself i.e. only what the money can do to pay for his goals.
His goals are success in the pursuit of new ideas to save humanity. Now that sounds dubious coming from a billionaire – after all they all mouth their high-minded soundbites, but he truly is extraordinary – he doesn’t buy luxury properties and his biggest luxury is his jet which he uses in the main to work extraordinary hours.
Another thing is that he is on the spectrum and has admitted to Aspergers – that means you get lots of unfiltered comments, but oh so much less manipulation and fewer lies.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

All of this, including the article, is just silly.
Musk is Klaus Schwab’s boy all the way.
WEF Young Leader 2008 Musk is an advocate for the Death Jab, transgenders, and China
Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

George Venning
George Venning
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

The people who set this agenda may be uniform in their thinking but leftists they are not.

Rather they appear to be no more than desperate supporters of the Democratic party and that, only insofar as it provides a bulwark against the Republican party.

Consider the following examples of orthodox opinions:

Bernie Sanders appeals only to white men
War in Ukraine must be pursued at all costs
No significant changes can be made to the US healthcare system
Student debt relief must be limited and pursued in a manner that is weirdly vulnerable to legal challenge
Hunter Biden’s laptop could be Russian misinformation (even now that we know it wasn’t)
Hillary Clinton’s strategy of discrediting Bernie Sanders should be ignored because (whilst genuine) it stemmed from a hack of the DMC servers which might have been carried out by the Russians (it wasn’t)

These opions have a flavour to them but it isn’t leftist…

Richard Webster
Richard Webster
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

You provide a clichéd list backed by no factual evidence or arguments.Truly pathetic.If you want to make a real case then back it with provable facts, rather than slew out the usual culture war, lefty elite usual suspects conspiracy sludge, which amounts to nothing but bla bla.

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Mary Harrington reminds me of the Wicked Witch of the West skywriting “Surrender Dorothy” above the Emerald City in the Movie “The Wizard of Oz.” She says both sides are evil so we should just give up. That’s ridiculous!

For starters, Musk ain’t Caesar. Musk has no army, no political position or power and has made no illegal political move to seize any political power. Musk has come out in favor of freedom of speech, which horifies all socialists, who want us to believe that censorship is inevitable.

I’m sorry, but no matter how many “experts” tell me that internet censorship is inevitable, I ain’t buying it. I spent all of my 45 plus year career in IT. I’m just as much of an “expert” as anybody else. A distributed internet network can be censored politically if you work at it, but it doesn’t have to be, and shouldn’t be.

The internet was designed to make the cost of information very low, and it has. It has built a path around the traditional gate keepers of information. They resent the hoi poloi having as much say as the “experts” and have moved to shut ordinary people, right wing people, out.

“Monitoring” is expensive. It doesn’t happen automatically. It has to be imposed. It should be fought. People like Musk, Taibbi and Weis who are willing to fight it with words, with free speech, should be applauded.

Last edited 1 year ago by Douglas Proudfoot
Robert Pruger
Robert Pruger
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I surprise myself; Musk may be a Caesar, but he’s the best chance we have to shine a bright light on dark corners, where big tech and government employees were quietly meeting. Transparency leads to accountability, accountability leads to good behaviors. GO MUSK!

Musk didn’t purchase Twitter to increase his net worth. Better ways for him to do that. He appears to have the public interest at heart, that may help us maintain and enhance our constitutional and civil rights. GO MUSK!

Most concerning is that federal employees (elected and unelected), big tech and woke corporations will gun for him. It’s not clear he will be able to withstand the barrage coming his way. But we have no one else to rely to maintain our constitutional and civil rights in a post-liberal society.

If you want an idea what might be a favorable outcome in a post-liberal society, see Freddy Water’s interview with John Mearsheimer. I’m rooting for Musk, from my vantage point, there is no other viable option.

LEON STEPHENS
LEON STEPHENS
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Dangerous for a *healthy* democracy? What “healthy democracy” are you referring to? The only ones in my sightline, which are in Europe and North America, are so rotten that only someone with no sense of smell could be fooled into calling them healthy. But this is a well known syndrome: signalong the dangers to this or that when the catastrophe is already an established fact, unseen because too many heads are stuck in the sand, and too many bums offering themselves to be shafted..

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

…Mary has made an intriguing and original contribution with this article, which articulates a growing awareness many have, that parliamentary democracy is now in charge of b****r-all. And frankly, is unlikely to revive any time soon because the swarm dynamics of proceduralism are being vastly enhanced by technology.

John Sullivan
John Sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Perhaps he just doesn’t like liars and cheats?

I am absolutely baffled as to why so many here seem to believe the incoherent ramblings of Harrington make the slightest sense. She seems completely incapable of independent thought to me – more like some kind of over-educated robot.

But then I am not American.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I broadly agree with your sentiments, but the depressing news is that these ‘identity post-liberal politics’ are not pushed only by a small group.

Their assumptions and world view are now very deeply embedded, certainly in academia, by most young people, the vast majority of public institutions, HR departments etc.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

I think Musk sees what most rational, decently informed people see – virtually all the institutions have been hijacked by a small group of left-wing ideologues who are completely disconnected from the average person on the street.

Culture, big tech, media, academia, the arts, the bureaucracy, NGOs, finance, to name only a few, are all controlled by people with an identical ideology. This uniformity is dangerous for a healthy democracy – very dangerous.

Musk is simply trying to push back. He’s not a savior, but his non-conformity is desperately needed.

Max Price
Max Price
1 year ago

I find all of Mary’s essays really stimulating even if after finishing a lot of them I feel like shooting myself in the head.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Who needs a compliment like “that dress looks beautiful on you” when you can have “your writing is fabulous…it makes me want to jump off something high”?

Reginald Duquesnoy
Reginald Duquesnoy
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Be kind to yourself. At least start with the foot…then you can progress step by step.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

We need more of this type of humour on Unherd!

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

We need more of this type of humour on Unherd!

Joann Robertson
Joann Robertson
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Yes!

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Who needs a compliment like “that dress looks beautiful on you” when you can have “your writing is fabulous…it makes me want to jump off something high”?

Reginald Duquesnoy
Reginald Duquesnoy
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Be kind to yourself. At least start with the foot…then you can progress step by step.

Joann Robertson
Joann Robertson
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Yes!

Max Price
Max Price
1 year ago

I find all of Mary’s essays really stimulating even if after finishing a lot of them I feel like shooting myself in the head.

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago

“And short of unplugging the internet, there’s not a great deal we can do about that.”

But we should do what we can, which is limiting time spent on visual media, media which fractures attention, media which carries content which isn’t well-informed …. and make sure we spend time reading good books, which require concentration over time, where the author has only the quality of his ideas and writing to keep us engaged. Good for the health of your own mind, and a good habit to model to others.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago

A book is a book is a book. For example, the author has written a superb piece (a short “book”), which captivated my interest from first sentence to last. Digital though it is, it qualifies.

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago
Reply to  Samuel Ross

Mary’s pieces are excellent, but they’re not books. They’re little bits of writing we consume along with other entirely unrelated bits of writing in the space of an hour. Perhaps if you have a fantastic mind you can sort all the bits into a coherent whole, like a jigsaw puzzle, but most of us can’t.

A good book puts our mind into gear for a long journey where we’ll be following a complex but coherent route. We’ll sink into a deep well of facts, connections, revelations – it’s a richer experience, a different type of concentration and receptiveness.

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Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago

Mary should write a book, it would be a hit!

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

Agreed. It would help her pen or typing fingers to ‘glean her teeming brain’ whereas at present her brilliant writing is a bit too sprawling or given to breadth at the expense of depth–at times, in my opinion. [Given my prolix and under-focused reply above, I’m afraid I’ll see a bit of hypocrite staring back from the black mirror when I log off and go outside for a while.]

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

Agreed. It would help her pen or typing fingers to ‘glean her teeming brain’ whereas at present her brilliant writing is a bit too sprawling or given to breadth at the expense of depth–at times, in my opinion. [Given my prolix and under-focused reply above, I’m afraid I’ll see a bit of hypocrite staring back from the black mirror when I log off and go outside for a while.]

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago

Mary should write a book, it would be a hit!

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago
Reply to  Samuel Ross

Mary’s pieces are excellent, but they’re not books. They’re little bits of writing we consume along with other entirely unrelated bits of writing in the space of an hour. Perhaps if you have a fantastic mind you can sort all the bits into a coherent whole, like a jigsaw puzzle, but most of us can’t.

A good book puts our mind into gear for a long journey where we’ll be following a complex but coherent route. We’ll sink into a deep well of facts, connections, revelations – it’s a richer experience, a different type of concentration and receptiveness.

Last edited 1 year ago by Russell Hamilton
David Ryan
David Ryan
1 year ago

Agree with everything you said Russell. Online media feels like junk food compared to, say, Dostoevsky. And yet here we are.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

I heartily agree with these sentiments and seem to feel better every time I follow this familiar advice.
But I believe it’s a mistake to assume that some post-internet (or at least ‘non-vidiotic’) world would self-resolve into a kinder, saner place once unplugged. To support my armchair argument I’ll just point to pre-computer social and political history as a whole, and in many gruesome particulars we can supply for ourselves.
I would also like to know: When was power openly untethered from any moral framework, religious or not? Even people like Vladimir Lenin or Rodrigo Duterte–not a one-to-one comparison and safely away from the most contentious examples–announce themselves to be champions of decency, fairness, law and order, Christian/Marxist values, manly strength, etc. from time to time, in between showing what they are really about–usually themselves and little more.
Leaders don’t parade their deeper strains of nihilism or moral relativism in public too often. You have to listen to the tapes (Nixon) or hear the odd slip under investigatory pressure: (Clinton: ‘That depends on what your definition of “is” is’).
Harrington has produced another persuasive and insightful piece, but this one is quite uneven, even as a diagnosis that despairs of any healing process. The ‘hive mind’ or groupthink phenomenon here identified as ‘swarmism’ is not new, nor hopelessly entrenched.
Harrington herself stands out from the hive–with a name–and has considerable influence, especially on these comments pages. I find her writing and argumentation to be consistently strong, but not oracular or flawless. This is still UnHerd, not ContrarianHive.com correct?
First Harrington claims that all politics is now post-liberal and therefore religious/moralistic. But again, when was politics ruled by sheer empiricism or unmasked Machiavellian energies? And then she connects the moralizing–not without some justification–to progressives in particular. Is all politics and online discourse therefore progressive now?

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ormondotvos
ormondotvos
1 year ago

Atlas Shrugged is a “good book”.

Gretchen Carlisle
Gretchen Carlisle
1 year ago

That is exactly the conclusion I came to.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago

A book is a book is a book. For example, the author has written a superb piece (a short “book”), which captivated my interest from first sentence to last. Digital though it is, it qualifies.

David Ryan
David Ryan
1 year ago

Agree with everything you said Russell. Online media feels like junk food compared to, say, Dostoevsky. And yet here we are.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

I heartily agree with these sentiments and seem to feel better every time I follow this familiar advice.
But I believe it’s a mistake to assume that some post-internet (or at least ‘non-vidiotic’) world would self-resolve into a kinder, saner place once unplugged. To support my armchair argument I’ll just point to pre-computer social and political history as a whole, and in many gruesome particulars we can supply for ourselves.
I would also like to know: When was power openly untethered from any moral framework, religious or not? Even people like Vladimir Lenin or Rodrigo Duterte–not a one-to-one comparison and safely away from the most contentious examples–announce themselves to be champions of decency, fairness, law and order, Christian/Marxist values, manly strength, etc. from time to time, in between showing what they are really about–usually themselves and little more.
Leaders don’t parade their deeper strains of nihilism or moral relativism in public too often. You have to listen to the tapes (Nixon) or hear the odd slip under investigatory pressure: (Clinton: ‘That depends on what your definition of “is” is’).
Harrington has produced another persuasive and insightful piece, but this one is quite uneven, even as a diagnosis that despairs of any healing process. The ‘hive mind’ or groupthink phenomenon here identified as ‘swarmism’ is not new, nor hopelessly entrenched.
Harrington herself stands out from the hive–with a name–and has considerable influence, especially on these comments pages. I find her writing and argumentation to be consistently strong, but not oracular or flawless. This is still UnHerd, not ContrarianHive.com correct?
First Harrington claims that all politics is now post-liberal and therefore religious/moralistic. But again, when was politics ruled by sheer empiricism or unmasked Machiavellian energies? And then she connects the moralizing–not without some justification–to progressives in particular. Is all politics and online discourse therefore progressive now?

Last edited 1 year ago by AJ Mac
ormondotvos
ormondotvos
1 year ago

Atlas Shrugged is a “good book”.

Gretchen Carlisle
Gretchen Carlisle
1 year ago

That is exactly the conclusion I came to.

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago

“And short of unplugging the internet, there’s not a great deal we can do about that.”

But we should do what we can, which is limiting time spent on visual media, media which fractures attention, media which carries content which isn’t well-informed …. and make sure we spend time reading good books, which require concentration over time, where the author has only the quality of his ideas and writing to keep us engaged. Good for the health of your own mind, and a good habit to model to others.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

Swarmism is oligarchy. Except that swarmism pretends to be just a bunch of nice educated women trying to keep us safe — instead of a totalitarian power play combining woke religion and big government domination. With regime thugs like James Baker telling people “nice little job you got there, pity if something should happen to it.”

Derek Smith
Derek Smith
1 year ago

The good news is that James Baker has just been sacked. The bad news is that there’s no shortage of influential people who will still employ him.

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Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Derek Smith

The bad news is that James Baker walks free.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Along with the sabateurs in the FBI.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Along with the sabateurs in the FBI.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Derek Smith

The bad news is that James Baker walks free.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Klaus Schwab did not make Musk WEF Young Leader 2008 to save freedom, and it’s not why the CIA funds Tesla.
It’s all about the Totalitarian NWO.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
1 year ago

I’ve often read about pre-modern cultures that were ruled by consensus. I always wondered what, exactly, that meant. Now I’m beginning to see that Mary’s “swarmism” (sans internet) is what they meant.
While it sounds so awfully nice I can’t help but think that the Salem witchcraft executions were the result of just that kind of hive mind. And the early Christian iconoclasts who destroyed so much ancient art and writing. Or certain aspects of the Crusades.
Behind each hive there’s a leader or leaders. And in the wake of each hive there are often rich pickings for the oligarchs.

Derek Smith
Derek Smith
1 year ago

The good news is that James Baker has just been sacked. The bad news is that there’s no shortage of influential people who will still employ him.

Last edited 1 year ago by Derek Smith
john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Klaus Schwab did not make Musk WEF Young Leader 2008 to save freedom, and it’s not why the CIA funds Tesla.
It’s all about the Totalitarian NWO.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
1 year ago

I’ve often read about pre-modern cultures that were ruled by consensus. I always wondered what, exactly, that meant. Now I’m beginning to see that Mary’s “swarmism” (sans internet) is what they meant.
While it sounds so awfully nice I can’t help but think that the Salem witchcraft executions were the result of just that kind of hive mind. And the early Christian iconoclasts who destroyed so much ancient art and writing. Or certain aspects of the Crusades.
Behind each hive there’s a leader or leaders. And in the wake of each hive there are often rich pickings for the oligarchs.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

Swarmism is oligarchy. Except that swarmism pretends to be just a bunch of nice educated women trying to keep us safe — instead of a totalitarian power play combining woke religion and big government domination. With regime thugs like James Baker telling people “nice little job you got there, pity if something should happen to it.”

Malcolm Knott
Malcolm Knott
1 year ago

This is over-intellectualised. What it comes down to is a bunch of bossy-boots, many of them young women, censoring news and comment because they can, they think they are entitled to and they think they know best.
And can we please drop the meaningless phrase ‘post-liberal’ which, so far as I can see, adds no value to any sentence in which it appears.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Malcolm Knott

…Malcom, that exactly right, but the problem is, that “The Narrative” driving Swarm behavior, is intellectualized, and unless it’s also addressed at that level, your commonsense language is not at all in “common” with the language of the Swarmettes, and is too easily deflected as ignorant misogyny. Quite frankly Mary Harrington is one of the few people able to constructively critique the unintended/undiscussed consequences of feminine ascendency. Brave of her I must say.

Malcolm Knott
Malcolm Knott
1 year ago
Reply to  Bernard Hill

Those of us who speak plainly are always in danger of being dismissed as ignorant or misogynist, or transphobe or what have you. I blank this out, content to wait patiently until someone addresses my argument.
But I do like Mary’s pieces and learn from them.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Malcolm Knott

….Well Malcolm, it looks like your waiting will remain of the the Godot variety.
No one’s addressing ‘your argument’ because the language you deploy is no longer participatory, and the language you deplore, is what the philosophical battle is being fought with.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Malcolm Knott

….Well Malcolm, it looks like your waiting will remain of the the Godot variety.
No one’s addressing ‘your argument’ because the language you deploy is no longer participatory, and the language you deplore, is what the philosophical battle is being fought with.

Malcolm Knott
Malcolm Knott
1 year ago
Reply to  Bernard Hill

Those of us who speak plainly are always in danger of being dismissed as ignorant or misogynist, or transphobe or what have you. I blank this out, content to wait patiently until someone addresses my argument.
But I do like Mary’s pieces and learn from them.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Malcolm Knott

…Malcom, that exactly right, but the problem is, that “The Narrative” driving Swarm behavior, is intellectualized, and unless it’s also addressed at that level, your commonsense language is not at all in “common” with the language of the Swarmettes, and is too easily deflected as ignorant misogyny. Quite frankly Mary Harrington is one of the few people able to constructively critique the unintended/undiscussed consequences of feminine ascendency. Brave of her I must say.

Malcolm Knott
Malcolm Knott
1 year ago

This is over-intellectualised. What it comes down to is a bunch of bossy-boots, many of them young women, censoring news and comment because they can, they think they are entitled to and they think they know best.
And can we please drop the meaningless phrase ‘post-liberal’ which, so far as I can see, adds no value to any sentence in which it appears.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
1 year ago

“This is perhaps unsurprising, given that the younger graduates who flock to the tech sector skew progressive — especially the graduate women who, in that sector, cluster in non-coding roles(such as, for example, content moderation).”

I, for one, would like to see an article that discusses this ‘feminisation’ of political life, discourse and decision making. It’s possible, if not unheard of, that EVEN at Unheard, the people ‘in charge of’ moderation, deciding what is, and isn’t allowed are, they themselves, ‘young, graduate women’, going by the photo call for the ‘Opening’ party for the ‘Unheard’ cafe.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

Nothing wrong with what you said.

Norman Powers
Norman Powers
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

Within the tech sector at least that phenomenon is driven by feminist demands to hire more women to try and “fix” the gender imbalance. But not that many women want to be software developers, so it creates immense pressure to create an opposing imbalance in other areas of the company.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

Can confirm. My wife’s last job was head recruiter for an IT company and she was asked to find more female programmers, which was very hard to do. Just before she left they were considering transwomen as a way around the quota.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Brilliant. Filling a niche market with another niche resource.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Brilliant. Filling a niche market with another niche resource.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

Can confirm. My wife’s last job was head recruiter for an IT company and she was asked to find more female programmers, which was very hard to do. Just before she left they were considering transwomen as a way around the quota.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

Nothing wrong with what you said.

Norman Powers
Norman Powers
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

Within the tech sector at least that phenomenon is driven by feminist demands to hire more women to try and “fix” the gender imbalance. But not that many women want to be software developers, so it creates immense pressure to create an opposing imbalance in other areas of the company.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
1 year ago

“This is perhaps unsurprising, given that the younger graduates who flock to the tech sector skew progressive — especially the graduate women who, in that sector, cluster in non-coding roles(such as, for example, content moderation).”

I, for one, would like to see an article that discusses this ‘feminisation’ of political life, discourse and decision making. It’s possible, if not unheard of, that EVEN at Unheard, the people ‘in charge of’ moderation, deciding what is, and isn’t allowed are, they themselves, ‘young, graduate women’, going by the photo call for the ‘Opening’ party for the ‘Unheard’ cafe.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

Swarmism versus Caesarism: I like that. A very good article, again. I don’t always check the author’s name when I read an article. But halfway in I think, “Wait a minute, this sounds intelligent”, then track back to see who it is. Of course it’s Mary.
Sometimes there’s a need for some sort of tool to view what’s going on around us, to put things in perspective and separate all the parts that conceal what’s going on, Swarmism v Caesarism moves on from the whole right or left dichotomy, or democracy v autocracy, none of which explains things anymore. So, a new language to make sense of new social upheavals is what’s needed. Though it’s not so much language as a concept to contain the swirling world we find ourselves in.

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Emmanuel MARTIN
Emmanuel MARTIN
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Exactly what I wanted to post. Hail for Mary Harrington as a major contemporary thinker.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago

…here here.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago

…here here.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Or you could actually become informed about Musk and realize he is a dedicated NWO Totalitarian Elitist and his Twitter take over is a stage presentation to distract from the WEF and it’s progress toward it’s goal of bug eating proles and Elites with an undeveloped natural paradise to play in, and us on slow scooter’s living in tiny spaces in Urban Centers.
You can’t understand Musk until you at least understand the WEF.

tug ordie
tug ordie
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

You are off base here John. Doesn’t matter how many times you post it!

tug ordie
tug ordie
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

You are off base here John. Doesn’t matter how many times you post it!

Roy Mullins
Roy Mullins
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

But surely swarmism is what suits the WEF – perhaps we should call it Schwabism.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

A swirling world of the dark feminine Yin in ascendency, but Elon the mus’culine figure of Yang, the proto-restorer of light. (Not to put too fine a point on it.)
I think Mary is right also, that with proceduralism so strongly driven by new tech, especially AI, the historic institutions of representative democracy are beyond resuscitation.

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Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Bernard Hill

Someone had commented on Musk having Aspergers (which I didn’t know), He is a very interesting person and makes things happen through his own determined will. So it’s interesting to consider what sort of person is needed to successfully push back against Swarmism. Obviously not for the faint hearted, or what we always regarded as “normal”.

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Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

As someone with Asperger’s, I can tell you that there is, to me, nothing more horrifying than a system that empowers humanity’s collective behavioral tendencies, which seem to me to be evolutionary strategies held over from pre-civilization times that were helpful in more primitive times, but increasingly form synergies with modern technologies to amplify mindless herd behaviors at the expense of individual reason, thought, or initiative. I have no faith in anything people do as a group and believe almost everything good and worthwhile about our species occurs exclusively at the individual level. If I had the power, I probably would ‘unplug the Internet’ as the author suggests.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I agree. And real diversity required to evolve and survive comes about by individual acts. Some succeed, some fail. But they only succeed if what they achieve throws us forward into the future. Stasis is not an evolutionary tool.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I agree. And real diversity required to evolve and survive comes about by individual acts. Some succeed, some fail. But they only succeed if what they achieve throws us forward into the future. Stasis is not an evolutionary tool.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

…too true. The Donald was/is not exactly “normal” in the US context. And the brisk succession of leadership normies in the UK, (and AUS) kind of confirms Mary’s point about the powerlessness of the old liberal order.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

As someone with Asperger’s, I can tell you that there is, to me, nothing more horrifying than a system that empowers humanity’s collective behavioral tendencies, which seem to me to be evolutionary strategies held over from pre-civilization times that were helpful in more primitive times, but increasingly form synergies with modern technologies to amplify mindless herd behaviors at the expense of individual reason, thought, or initiative. I have no faith in anything people do as a group and believe almost everything good and worthwhile about our species occurs exclusively at the individual level. If I had the power, I probably would ‘unplug the Internet’ as the author suggests.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

…too true. The Donald was/is not exactly “normal” in the US context. And the brisk succession of leadership normies in the UK, (and AUS) kind of confirms Mary’s point about the powerlessness of the old liberal order.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Bernard Hill

Someone had commented on Musk having Aspergers (which I didn’t know), He is a very interesting person and makes things happen through his own determined will. So it’s interesting to consider what sort of person is needed to successfully push back against Swarmism. Obviously not for the faint hearted, or what we always regarded as “normal”.

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
Emmanuel MARTIN
Emmanuel MARTIN
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Exactly what I wanted to post. Hail for Mary Harrington as a major contemporary thinker.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Or you could actually become informed about Musk and realize he is a dedicated NWO Totalitarian Elitist and his Twitter take over is a stage presentation to distract from the WEF and it’s progress toward it’s goal of bug eating proles and Elites with an undeveloped natural paradise to play in, and us on slow scooter’s living in tiny spaces in Urban Centers.
You can’t understand Musk until you at least understand the WEF.

Roy Mullins
Roy Mullins
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

But surely swarmism is what suits the WEF – perhaps we should call it Schwabism.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

A swirling world of the dark feminine Yin in ascendency, but Elon the mus’culine figure of Yang, the proto-restorer of light. (Not to put too fine a point on it.)
I think Mary is right also, that with proceduralism so strongly driven by new tech, especially AI, the historic institutions of representative democracy are beyond resuscitation.

Last edited 1 year ago by Bernard Hill
Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

Swarmism versus Caesarism: I like that. A very good article, again. I don’t always check the author’s name when I read an article. But halfway in I think, “Wait a minute, this sounds intelligent”, then track back to see who it is. Of course it’s Mary.
Sometimes there’s a need for some sort of tool to view what’s going on around us, to put things in perspective and separate all the parts that conceal what’s going on, Swarmism v Caesarism moves on from the whole right or left dichotomy, or democracy v autocracy, none of which explains things anymore. So, a new language to make sense of new social upheavals is what’s needed. Though it’s not so much language as a concept to contain the swirling world we find ourselves in.

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

“greeting-card metaphysics”

Mary, you just made my day!

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

“greeting-card metaphysics”

Mary, you just made my day!

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

Good grief, stop adding “gate” to every American political scandal. “Laptopgate” is not only lazy, awkward, and wince-inducing, it is wildly inaccurate. The Watergate disgrace of 50 years ago involved a clumsy and completely unnecessary break in – more like a stupid college prank between two rival fraternities – and blown out of all proportion by a slavering media thirsting for Republican blood. We still hear of this or that being “worse than Watergate”, which almost everything is, given how idiotic it was in the first place.
Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop full of explicit information on his father’s nefarious business doings with foreign enemies was given to the FBI, who ignored it, while the media wiped their chins and covered the whole thing up. That’s your true scandal.
Elon Musk’s attempt to wrest his company from the hands of the censors and thereby pi**ing off all the right people makes him an autocrat? May I remind you that Twitter is not a government? Sheesh. Get a grip.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago

Thank you for the reminder about Watergate. It is become a legend past it’s expiration date.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago

Thank you for the reminder about Watergate. It is become a legend past it’s expiration date.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

Good grief, stop adding “gate” to every American political scandal. “Laptopgate” is not only lazy, awkward, and wince-inducing, it is wildly inaccurate. The Watergate disgrace of 50 years ago involved a clumsy and completely unnecessary break in – more like a stupid college prank between two rival fraternities – and blown out of all proportion by a slavering media thirsting for Republican blood. We still hear of this or that being “worse than Watergate”, which almost everything is, given how idiotic it was in the first place.
Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop full of explicit information on his father’s nefarious business doings with foreign enemies was given to the FBI, who ignored it, while the media wiped their chins and covered the whole thing up. That’s your true scandal.
Elon Musk’s attempt to wrest his company from the hands of the censors and thereby pi**ing off all the right people makes him an autocrat? May I remind you that Twitter is not a government? Sheesh. Get a grip.

Paul Marshall
Paul Marshall
1 year ago

Swarmism vs Caesarism is a false dichotomy which you only arrive at if you self define as post-liberal, which Mary does, I believe. It is absolutely the wrong moment to reject the core tenets of classical liberalism, even if it is more difficult to implement them in a digital world. We need an article about how Twitter can become a proper digital public square. Mary seems to reject this as too difficult but doesn’t say why.
Musk, by the way, has more than once spoken of Twitter as a public square so maybe we should see him more as a defender of liberalism than as a new Caesar.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Marshall

Word!!

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Marshall

Or you could learn something real, and quit imagining Psyop Musk is going to do anything to advance freedom.
He is a total fake in every way.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Marshall

I can’t speak for Mary, but it can be argued that at this juncture, the system as it exists now is so thoroughly corrupted by the machinations of the elite class that no amount of elections or reforms will be able to save it from becoming the tool of oligarchs to exercise unlimited power, and that only by overturning the current system in its entirety can the slide towards some form of totalitarian collectivism be averted. As a matter of history, the most efficient and least disruptive way to accomplish this is by vesting power in a popular charismatic leader who can use widespread popularity to simply disregard corrupted and coopted bureaucracies to accomplish real change through brute force of will. Since the alternative is a disorganized, disunited series of violent popular movements and possibly terrorist tactics confined to particular regions or ideologies that will ultimately have a far greater cost in terms of blood and treasure, the Caesar alternative, while by no means ideal, is still preferable to many reasonable people.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Marshall

…a public square for which polity? The UK? The US? The Anglosphere? The West? The whole world? There’s your answer why Twitter or any iteration of it, won’t work as a public square for the established democracies Paul. Tech is overwhelming the parameters of sovereign nations. We are facing a new feudalism, where your best hope for choice may well be, which Caesar you render unto. ( See Lord Rees-Mogg 1997, “The Sovereign Individual”.)

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Marshall

Word!!

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Marshall

Or you could learn something real, and quit imagining Psyop Musk is going to do anything to advance freedom.
He is a total fake in every way.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Marshall

I can’t speak for Mary, but it can be argued that at this juncture, the system as it exists now is so thoroughly corrupted by the machinations of the elite class that no amount of elections or reforms will be able to save it from becoming the tool of oligarchs to exercise unlimited power, and that only by overturning the current system in its entirety can the slide towards some form of totalitarian collectivism be averted. As a matter of history, the most efficient and least disruptive way to accomplish this is by vesting power in a popular charismatic leader who can use widespread popularity to simply disregard corrupted and coopted bureaucracies to accomplish real change through brute force of will. Since the alternative is a disorganized, disunited series of violent popular movements and possibly terrorist tactics confined to particular regions or ideologies that will ultimately have a far greater cost in terms of blood and treasure, the Caesar alternative, while by no means ideal, is still preferable to many reasonable people.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Marshall

…a public square for which polity? The UK? The US? The Anglosphere? The West? The whole world? There’s your answer why Twitter or any iteration of it, won’t work as a public square for the established democracies Paul. Tech is overwhelming the parameters of sovereign nations. We are facing a new feudalism, where your best hope for choice may well be, which Caesar you render unto. ( See Lord Rees-Mogg 1997, “The Sovereign Individual”.)

Paul Marshall
Paul Marshall
1 year ago

Swarmism vs Caesarism is a false dichotomy which you only arrive at if you self define as post-liberal, which Mary does, I believe. It is absolutely the wrong moment to reject the core tenets of classical liberalism, even if it is more difficult to implement them in a digital world. We need an article about how Twitter can become a proper digital public square. Mary seems to reject this as too difficult but doesn’t say why.
Musk, by the way, has more than once spoken of Twitter as a public square so maybe we should see him more as a defender of liberalism than as a new Caesar.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Musk has never said that Twitter would not have censorship…. the terms are there and are being worked on further. The important thing for him is that there is more impartiality and that the narrative is not manipulated by only one side which has been happening for years at Big Tech. Yes, as a maverick genius, there is some FAFO and he is doing it at warp speed.
As for the casual throwaway at the end presumably designed to scare – Neuralink – I need to do more investigation to understand it. I have no particular wish to have a chip in my brain, but I would certainly have a chip if it e.g. gave me sight and movement back. Musk has long warned against the dangers of AI and the threat it poses to humanity – is this his attempt to counter that in some way. Who knows more about it?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

FAFO?
How’s that beach of yours?

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

F@ck around and find out. Tweeted by Elon.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Thank you.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Thank you.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Beach weather hoving into view again!

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

F@ck around and find out. Tweeted by Elon.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Beach weather hoving into view again!

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Wow, you actually believe that PR?
Musk is no genius, he never invented anything, and his CIA backed , grossly polluting exploding cars are anything but evidence of genius.
Musk is a full on Totalitarian, nothing more, nothing less.
Neither a Maverick nor a genius, but an operative of the WEF.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Without providing links or other evidence to substantiate you claims, your posts come across as fairly unhinged.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

I think he was fired from Twitter and has an ax to grind.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

I think he was fired from Twitter and has an ax to grind.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Zip2. X.com. Neuralink on it goes. You people are so mediocre that I wonder why I even reply. Go Rocketman!

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Without providing links or other evidence to substantiate you claims, your posts come across as fairly unhinged.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Zip2. X.com. Neuralink on it goes. You people are so mediocre that I wonder why I even reply. Go Rocketman!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

FAFO?
How’s that beach of yours?

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Wow, you actually believe that PR?
Musk is no genius, he never invented anything, and his CIA backed , grossly polluting exploding cars are anything but evidence of genius.
Musk is a full on Totalitarian, nothing more, nothing less.
Neither a Maverick nor a genius, but an operative of the WEF.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Musk has never said that Twitter would not have censorship…. the terms are there and are being worked on further. The important thing for him is that there is more impartiality and that the narrative is not manipulated by only one side which has been happening for years at Big Tech. Yes, as a maverick genius, there is some FAFO and he is doing it at warp speed.
As for the casual throwaway at the end presumably designed to scare – Neuralink – I need to do more investigation to understand it. I have no particular wish to have a chip in my brain, but I would certainly have a chip if it e.g. gave me sight and movement back. Musk has long warned against the dangers of AI and the threat it poses to humanity – is this his attempt to counter that in some way. Who knows more about it?

Ben Shipley
Ben Shipley
1 year ago

You might be a bit glib in the assertion that it is only right wingers who think an election could have been stolen. The history of American elections if full of thefts, large and petty, and anyone should be concerned about the possibility. Likewise the censorship issue. The history of American news is hardly liberal in the way you use the term, from Franklin onward. The only thing new here is social media and crowd sourcing on a national scale, and the twitterverse only carried so much weight because it was the bright, shiny new toy. As we adapt to new forms of communication, and as things shake out, the issues will start to look increasingly familiar to anyone who is paying attention to history. Musk isn’t Caesar—he’s a modern Ida Tarbell.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben Shipley

Social media enables mob bullying. We get mob rule. Not pretty.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben Shipley

He is a reflection of his mentor, Klaus Schwab.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Are you a one trick pony? Give it a rest. Did you get fired by Elon from Twitter or something?

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

Are you a one trick pony? Give it a rest. Did you get fired by Elon from Twitter or something?

Paul Boizot
Paul Boizot
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben Shipley

Indeed. October surprise, hanging chads and the Brooks Brothers riot…

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben Shipley

Social media enables mob bullying. We get mob rule. Not pretty.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben Shipley

He is a reflection of his mentor, Klaus Schwab.

Paul Boizot
Paul Boizot
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben Shipley

Indeed. October surprise, hanging chads and the Brooks Brothers riot…

Ben Shipley
Ben Shipley
1 year ago

You might be a bit glib in the assertion that it is only right wingers who think an election could have been stolen. The history of American elections if full of thefts, large and petty, and anyone should be concerned about the possibility. Likewise the censorship issue. The history of American news is hardly liberal in the way you use the term, from Franklin onward. The only thing new here is social media and crowd sourcing on a national scale, and the twitterverse only carried so much weight because it was the bright, shiny new toy. As we adapt to new forms of communication, and as things shake out, the issues will start to look increasingly familiar to anyone who is paying attention to history. Musk isn’t Caesar—he’s a modern Ida Tarbell.

William Jackson
William Jackson
1 year ago

It sounds as though the New Puritans are upon us. Fire still burns hot, heaven help any perceived miscreants. One wonders why humanity isn’t capable of learning from history, surely we have had enough experience to have learnt to learn?

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago

“Those who forget history…” The popularity of the aphorism indicates that this behavior is part of human nature. I’ll leave you with another good, related one: “There are two kinds of fool. One says ‘This is old, and therefore good.’ The other says ‘This is new, and therefore better.'”

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago

“Those who forget history…” The popularity of the aphorism indicates that this behavior is part of human nature. I’ll leave you with another good, related one: “There are two kinds of fool. One says ‘This is old, and therefore good.’ The other says ‘This is new, and therefore better.'”

William Jackson
William Jackson
1 year ago

It sounds as though the New Puritans are upon us. Fire still burns hot, heaven help any perceived miscreants. One wonders why humanity isn’t capable of learning from history, surely we have had enough experience to have learnt to learn?

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago

Mary really misses the mark on this one. While she identifies some of the problems, she has no idea of a proper solution. But, in reality, it is simple: transparency.
Twitter et al should be completely transparent. They should publish their criteria for culling posts and be contractually held to them. Each user should be individually identified and validated. Contracts should not be modified at the whim of the website, which invites abuses.
This would rid us of ‘the algorithm did it’ and ‘no one knows’.
Section 230 should force internet sites to choose – publication (responsible) or free forum and be held to those standards contractually, even criminally.

D.C. Harris
D.C. Harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

She also fails to take into account that Musk, Taibbi, and Weiss are all liberals themselves.

Separation of church and state is indeed being played out at the level of the Supreme Court with religious liberties and free speech at stake, but that has nothing to do with her weak argument.

D.C. Harris
D.C. Harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

She also fails to take into account that Musk, Taibbi, and Weiss are all liberals themselves.

Separation of church and state is indeed being played out at the level of the Supreme Court with religious liberties and free speech at stake, but that has nothing to do with her weak argument.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago

Mary really misses the mark on this one. While she identifies some of the problems, she has no idea of a proper solution. But, in reality, it is simple: transparency.
Twitter et al should be completely transparent. They should publish their criteria for culling posts and be contractually held to them. Each user should be individually identified and validated. Contracts should not be modified at the whim of the website, which invites abuses.
This would rid us of ‘the algorithm did it’ and ‘no one knows’.
Section 230 should force internet sites to choose – publication (responsible) or free forum and be held to those standards contractually, even criminally.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago

When the green curtain was pulled back in our modern-day Land of Oz it revealed hundreds of Karens hard at work shaping us up. No, they can’t code and are bad at STEM stuff generally, but they know how the world should be configured with plutocratic Democrats in Silicon Valley and Wall Street leading the way.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago

When the green curtain was pulled back in our modern-day Land of Oz it revealed hundreds of Karens hard at work shaping us up. No, they can’t code and are bad at STEM stuff generally, but they know how the world should be configured with plutocratic Democrats in Silicon Valley and Wall Street leading the way.

Hank Brad
Hank Brad
1 year ago

What is Elon Musk playing at with this intervention?
With a fiduciary responsibility such as Musk now holds as owner of Twitter, he’s not ‘playing’ – he’s taking responsibility. If James Baker was still playing on the side of the FBI to any extent, his products of oversight from Twitter are too likely to reflect the FBI’s unwarranted bias (they’d had that H. Biden laptop for months) against informing the American public of the facts. Regardless of the diversionary suggestion of Caesarism, in American politics the buck stops on the desk of the chief executive. That’s Elon Musk, and he wants the public informed of Twitter’s 2020 machinations of the Hunter Biden story.

Hank Brad
Hank Brad
1 year ago

What is Elon Musk playing at with this intervention?
With a fiduciary responsibility such as Musk now holds as owner of Twitter, he’s not ‘playing’ – he’s taking responsibility. If James Baker was still playing on the side of the FBI to any extent, his products of oversight from Twitter are too likely to reflect the FBI’s unwarranted bias (they’d had that H. Biden laptop for months) against informing the American public of the facts. Regardless of the diversionary suggestion of Caesarism, in American politics the buck stops on the desk of the chief executive. That’s Elon Musk, and he wants the public informed of Twitter’s 2020 machinations of the Hunter Biden story.

Katy Hibbert
Katy Hibbert
1 year ago

Good article, but rather overcomplicates things. Musk is simply redressing the balance.

Jon Frum
Jon Frum
1 year ago
Reply to  Katy Hibbert

Thank you. Elon pushes back, and he’s called a power-mad dictator.
And by the way – the New York Post is not ‘right wing.’ The Post is moderate conservative. In the 1960s, today’s NYP would have been moderate liberal, if not just plain liberal. Just because America’s Left has taken on a extreme radical ideology, that doesn’t make the country’s center right a ‘wing.’ It is not ‘right wing’ to know what a woman is.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Frum

“Right wing” is a neon sign that says “I am a liberal”. Don’t unplug it – it’s useful. Everyone to the right of someone using it is “right wing”. If they’re more than a couple clicks to the right, then they are neo-nazi white supremacists too.
FWIW: “ilk” works like that for the left. A neon sign for a conservative. There are others (“Marxist” is another).

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Frum

“Right wing” is a neon sign that says “I am a liberal”. Don’t unplug it – it’s useful. Everyone to the right of someone using it is “right wing”. If they’re more than a couple clicks to the right, then they are neo-nazi white supremacists too.
FWIW: “ilk” works like that for the left. A neon sign for a conservative. There are others (“Marxist” is another).

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Katy Hibbert

Thank you, yes. I found it too clumsy and wordy and definitely seeks to over-analyze.

Jon Frum
Jon Frum
1 year ago
Reply to  Katy Hibbert

Thank you. Elon pushes back, and he’s called a power-mad dictator.
And by the way – the New York Post is not ‘right wing.’ The Post is moderate conservative. In the 1960s, today’s NYP would have been moderate liberal, if not just plain liberal. Just because America’s Left has taken on a extreme radical ideology, that doesn’t make the country’s center right a ‘wing.’ It is not ‘right wing’ to know what a woman is.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Katy Hibbert

Thank you, yes. I found it too clumsy and wordy and definitely seeks to over-analyze.

Katy Hibbert
Katy Hibbert
1 year ago

Good article, but rather overcomplicates things. Musk is simply redressing the balance.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

Mary – I fought with this hard article, I just cannot deal with the way you use assembly language to make up philosophical/Political concepts by marrying together Political words – Humpty Dumpty like:

”“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
You say things like:

”All of politics is already post-liberal, and mainstream power has already explicitly embraced a faith-based moral order.”

And this is completely preposterous. Neo-Liberal Secular Human, Neo-Marxist Globalist on one side and an awaking Post-Liberal Christian on the other. More Manichaeism – than Post-Liberal on both sides. I just could not get around your using things so casually. Your conflating secular and theos as two flavors of faith I find impossible.

OK, I liked this use of Liberal Proceduaralism, good…and I really like the ‘Swarm’.

”He has claimed that his aim in buying Twitter was to hold it to public neutrality: that is, to the order governed by liberal proceduralism.”

and then you came up with this progressive post-liberalism, which I do not think that is a word at all, or not as you use it.

”We might characterise this as progressive post-liberalism, colloquially known as “wokeism”.

I think they are mutually exclucive, I get populist post-liberal, but surely not progressive. And I do not mean to make such a big deal of this, and maybe politics have moved past me, but I think the secular ‘morality’ and Christian post-liberal ‘morality’ are so different as to be of a different thing altogether (when talking post-liberal). But that is an argument I have long held – that ethics cannot exist without an Ultimate (god) and so morality from a religious position must be different than a secular morality. Oh, well – I got caught up on progressive and populist. ‘post-liberal’.

I think in USA (Republican and Democrat) the Post-Liberal Christianity you refer to

”Some “post-liberal’ conservatives would say so. America might have been founded on the liberal separation of church and state, the argument goes, but that’s running out of road.”

Is the only chance the world has to not descend into a hell. As you say the Trans-Humanist AI/Brain implanters are Fast getting there, and I believe surely going to bring Hell to Earth. (I rather think a lot of Revelations 13 – 16, and see Transhumanism as the mark of the beast.)

I feel the Western EU and UK are Lost to Secular Humanism. It has no core left in it but the lost Welby CofE, woke sort, it has no arms to fight evil. The Post-Liberal (Christianity) rising in USA is all I think may hold off the endless Hideous Strength of the WEF, Musk, CCP, Dem, Transhumanist Hell – which once here will put 1984 and worse, forever.

I think the laying out of last battle may be being fought out now – and Musk has a foot in both camps seemingly, all three really as he is so CCP too – it is a crazy thing – if Musk ends up being good; but I guess god moves in mysterious ways.

Mike Fraser
Mike Fraser
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

I agree with your sentiments Jonas. I read this article as a piece of verbal swaggering which requires an explanatory note every few lines. It would be far more effective if written in less, as you write, assembly language. Musk is a brilliant, simple, open-minded and direct man wanting the world to be in a better place than he finds it, and finds himself, through his sheer determination, in a position to do something about it. The author of this piece is no doubt genuine but if only her dissection could be less intellectually forensic, more people would get to the end of her article, and less imaginary concerns would be so unfairly directed at this man, whose apparent financial wealth is so odious for the writers of this world as opposed to the doers.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Fraser

I am just stunned at the ignorance both of the article and the nonsensical respondes.
Musk is a complete and utter fake, a Totalitarian Elitist backed by the WEF and CIA.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Fraser

I am just stunned at the ignorance both of the article and the nonsensical respondes.
Musk is a complete and utter fake, a Totalitarian Elitist backed by the WEF and CIA.

Andrew Wise
Andrew Wise
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

I have to add I found this article virtually unreadable – maybe I’m too old for it but I can’t be doing with with phrases like “post-liberal” – the very word liberal seams to have been hijacked somewhere over the last few years and now fails to mean anything….. How can you be “post-liberal” … its not something you can be before or after is it?
These sorts of articles try to put people into boxes and then try to re-define the boxes – they worry about left and right in way that concerns a narrow audience – they try to ascribe motivations to people based on the box you think they fit into and the ever more convoluted definitions of those boxes.
I don’t feel enlightened by this article – just confused at its language.
And a PS: Unheard editors – why can’t I comment on the article itself, I can only reply to existing comments today !

Jim Stanton
Jim Stanton
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Wise

I’m with you on this one Andrew. And while I’m commenting how about ditching all the isms. Enough already. I’ve read many of Mary’s articles and isms are her favorite along with post blah, blah, blah. More effort on the article itself and less on making yourself look so smaht.

Jim Stanton
Jim Stanton
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Wise

I’m with you on this one Andrew. And while I’m commenting how about ditching all the isms. Enough already. I’ve read many of Mary’s articles and isms are her favorite along with post blah, blah, blah. More effort on the article itself and less on making yourself look so smaht.

Mike Fraser
Mike Fraser
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

I agree with your sentiments Jonas. I read this article as a piece of verbal swaggering which requires an explanatory note every few lines. It would be far more effective if written in less, as you write, assembly language. Musk is a brilliant, simple, open-minded and direct man wanting the world to be in a better place than he finds it, and finds himself, through his sheer determination, in a position to do something about it. The author of this piece is no doubt genuine but if only her dissection could be less intellectually forensic, more people would get to the end of her article, and less imaginary concerns would be so unfairly directed at this man, whose apparent financial wealth is so odious for the writers of this world as opposed to the doers.

Andrew Wise
Andrew Wise
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

I have to add I found this article virtually unreadable – maybe I’m too old for it but I can’t be doing with with phrases like “post-liberal” – the very word liberal seams to have been hijacked somewhere over the last few years and now fails to mean anything….. How can you be “post-liberal” … its not something you can be before or after is it?
These sorts of articles try to put people into boxes and then try to re-define the boxes – they worry about left and right in way that concerns a narrow audience – they try to ascribe motivations to people based on the box you think they fit into and the ever more convoluted definitions of those boxes.
I don’t feel enlightened by this article – just confused at its language.
And a PS: Unheard editors – why can’t I comment on the article itself, I can only reply to existing comments today !

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

Mary – I fought with this hard article, I just cannot deal with the way you use assembly language to make up philosophical/Political concepts by marrying together Political words – Humpty Dumpty like:

”“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
You say things like:

”All of politics is already post-liberal, and mainstream power has already explicitly embraced a faith-based moral order.”

And this is completely preposterous. Neo-Liberal Secular Human, Neo-Marxist Globalist on one side and an awaking Post-Liberal Christian on the other. More Manichaeism – than Post-Liberal on both sides. I just could not get around your using things so casually. Your conflating secular and theos as two flavors of faith I find impossible.

OK, I liked this use of Liberal Proceduaralism, good…and I really like the ‘Swarm’.

”He has claimed that his aim in buying Twitter was to hold it to public neutrality: that is, to the order governed by liberal proceduralism.”

and then you came up with this progressive post-liberalism, which I do not think that is a word at all, or not as you use it.

”We might characterise this as progressive post-liberalism, colloquially known as “wokeism”.

I think they are mutually exclucive, I get populist post-liberal, but surely not progressive. And I do not mean to make such a big deal of this, and maybe politics have moved past me, but I think the secular ‘morality’ and Christian post-liberal ‘morality’ are so different as to be of a different thing altogether (when talking post-liberal). But that is an argument I have long held – that ethics cannot exist without an Ultimate (god) and so morality from a religious position must be different than a secular morality. Oh, well – I got caught up on progressive and populist. ‘post-liberal’.

I think in USA (Republican and Democrat) the Post-Liberal Christianity you refer to

”Some “post-liberal’ conservatives would say so. America might have been founded on the liberal separation of church and state, the argument goes, but that’s running out of road.”

Is the only chance the world has to not descend into a hell. As you say the Trans-Humanist AI/Brain implanters are Fast getting there, and I believe surely going to bring Hell to Earth. (I rather think a lot of Revelations 13 – 16, and see Transhumanism as the mark of the beast.)

I feel the Western EU and UK are Lost to Secular Humanism. It has no core left in it but the lost Welby CofE, woke sort, it has no arms to fight evil. The Post-Liberal (Christianity) rising in USA is all I think may hold off the endless Hideous Strength of the WEF, Musk, CCP, Dem, Transhumanist Hell – which once here will put 1984 and worse, forever.

I think the laying out of last battle may be being fought out now – and Musk has a foot in both camps seemingly, all three really as he is so CCP too – it is a crazy thing – if Musk ends up being good; but I guess god moves in mysterious ways.

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago

I like the metaphor of ‘swarmism’ for it captures the nature of undirected decisions still effectively choosing a direction.
In other contexts people have talked about ‘draining the swamp’ and been pulled down by it, or reforming the Blob and been chastised by it. A common feature is that, whatever the collective, the counterattack has been about personality rather than ideology. I guess that is a consequence of their being no direction to the swarm’s ideology so ‘feelings’ dominate – such behaviour seems deranged. Hence Trump Derangement Syndrome, Boris Derangement Syndrome, and now Musk Derangement Syndrome. There are plenty of others who also qualify. Perhaps we should name the process ‘Caesar Derangement System’.
Perhaps Caesar was the first example – his populist and authoritarian reforms angered the elites, who began to conspire against him.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

I think, I prefer the term ‘Murmuration, as much because it seems, to me, to be something of an onomatopoeia. How one might explain the difference, in this context, however, is beyond me.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

Brilliant! … A Murmuration is a swarm with form … an existing word more meaningful than the contrived ‘swarmism’ and as you say, wonderfully onomatopoetic.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

Brilliant! … A Murmuration is a swarm with form … an existing word more meaningful than the contrived ‘swarmism’ and as you say, wonderfully onomatopoetic.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

I think, I prefer the term ‘Murmuration, as much because it seems, to me, to be something of an onomatopoeia. How one might explain the difference, in this context, however, is beyond me.

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago

I like the metaphor of ‘swarmism’ for it captures the nature of undirected decisions still effectively choosing a direction.
In other contexts people have talked about ‘draining the swamp’ and been pulled down by it, or reforming the Blob and been chastised by it. A common feature is that, whatever the collective, the counterattack has been about personality rather than ideology. I guess that is a consequence of their being no direction to the swarm’s ideology so ‘feelings’ dominate – such behaviour seems deranged. Hence Trump Derangement Syndrome, Boris Derangement Syndrome, and now Musk Derangement Syndrome. There are plenty of others who also qualify. Perhaps we should name the process ‘Caesar Derangement System’.
Perhaps Caesar was the first example – his populist and authoritarian reforms angered the elites, who began to conspire against him.

andy young
andy young
1 year ago

For me the big difference is that Musk has a face: I can see what he’s doing & thus rail against him when I think he’s wrong. He is at least “get-attable” in some sense, whereas, as the author so eloquently describes, the sources of power are well hidden behind a labyrinth of bureaucracy & trails that lead nowhere.
I am at present in the never ending travails of trying to get sense out of Scottish Power. It has been going on for months & is becoming Kafkaesque. My emails allegedly become devoid of content. Account nos. change. My phone no. suddenly changes to something unrecognisable. People I respond to mutate. Tariff rates change continually. They are hopeful of resolving my case “soon”…..
Whenever I talk to other people about my experience they all have a similar tale to tell. it’s always been bad dealing with large, anonymous organisations but seems to have reached a whole new level (since covid?) .I suspect the various factors described – now hugely facilitated by technology – are amplifying the ability of those in power to hide, making everyday life one long round of frustration & driving us collectively nuts as a result. Somehow we need to find a way out, & I think a good start would be to jettison the present political setup & elect people who will actually DO something, people with the guts to stand up & be held accountable.
Who might they be? Answers on a postcard please …

Last edited 1 year ago by andy young
Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  andy young

One certainly cannot reach people like Biden etc. He appears to be a cardboard cut out to me.

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Definitely run by his handlers.

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Definitely run by his handlers.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  andy young

A friend in Scotland (a lawyer), is experiencing similar. She is outspoken (previous far left, now not that at all) and was fairly frequently temporarily banned from FB often. Recently she was ‘removed’ from FB and was asked for more personal details in order to restore her account. It went on for over 6 months.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  andy young

One certainly cannot reach people like Biden etc. He appears to be a cardboard cut out to me.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  andy young

A friend in Scotland (a lawyer), is experiencing similar. She is outspoken (previous far left, now not that at all) and was fairly frequently temporarily banned from FB often. Recently she was ‘removed’ from FB and was asked for more personal details in order to restore her account. It went on for over 6 months.

andy young
andy young
1 year ago

For me the big difference is that Musk has a face: I can see what he’s doing & thus rail against him when I think he’s wrong. He is at least “get-attable” in some sense, whereas, as the author so eloquently describes, the sources of power are well hidden behind a labyrinth of bureaucracy & trails that lead nowhere.
I am at present in the never ending travails of trying to get sense out of Scottish Power. It has been going on for months & is becoming Kafkaesque. My emails allegedly become devoid of content. Account nos. change. My phone no. suddenly changes to something unrecognisable. People I respond to mutate. Tariff rates change continually. They are hopeful of resolving my case “soon”…..
Whenever I talk to other people about my experience they all have a similar tale to tell. it’s always been bad dealing with large, anonymous organisations but seems to have reached a whole new level (since covid?) .I suspect the various factors described – now hugely facilitated by technology – are amplifying the ability of those in power to hide, making everyday life one long round of frustration & driving us collectively nuts as a result. Somehow we need to find a way out, & I think a good start would be to jettison the present political setup & elect people who will actually DO something, people with the guts to stand up & be held accountable.
Who might they be? Answers on a postcard please …

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CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

No doubt Caesar’s* fate awaits Mr Musk.
Will it also trigger a brutal Civil War from which an Augustus will finally emerge? And thus a new Pax Romana?

(*stabbed to death…23 wounds in all!)

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

No doubt Caesar’s* fate awaits Mr Musk.
Will it also trigger a brutal Civil War from which an Augustus will finally emerge? And thus a new Pax Romana?

(*stabbed to death…23 wounds in all!)

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

Take pinch of swarmism and a pinch of caesarism and mix to make Borgism.

Paul Boizot
Paul Boizot
1 year ago

I upvoted this on the assumption that it was a Star Trek reference, not a tennis star reference.

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Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Boizot

I took as a reference to the Borgias.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Could be but more likely liberal proceduralism.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Could be but more likely liberal proceduralism.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Boizot

It might be because of the swarmist carapase or maybe the caesarists. It depends on what they do in the future in monkeypaw style.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Boizot

I took as a reference to the Borgias.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Boizot

It might be because of the swarmist carapase or maybe the caesarists. It depends on what they do in the future in monkeypaw style.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

But the swarmist carapase will not be able to compete with the liberal proceduralism unless the caesarist Neurolink stays open to stop them in monkeypaw style.

Rob Greene
Rob Greene
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Yes, there’s clearly a barn full of manure. I’m less sure, but there may be a pony in there somewhere.

Rob Greene
Rob Greene
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Yes, there’s clearly a barn full of manure. I’m less sure, but there may be a pony in there somewhere.

Paul Boizot
Paul Boizot
1 year ago

I upvoted this on the assumption that it was a Star Trek reference, not a tennis star reference.

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Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

But the swarmist carapase will not be able to compete with the liberal proceduralism unless the caesarist Neurolink stays open to stop them in monkeypaw style.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

Take pinch of swarmism and a pinch of caesarism and mix to make Borgism.

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
1 year ago

I teach American civics — I teach it from an Enlightenment liberal perspective even though I no longer share that perspective. You ought to see the looks on my students’ faces when I explain that I personally have given up on the political system they’ve been studying.
Secular, procedural, Enlightenment liberalism is dead. We can either all play Weekend at Bernie’s with its corpse until it rots completely — ala Bari Weiss / Andrew Sullivan / David French — or we can try and figure out an alternative moral framework. Since the Left has a huge head start in this — they gave up liberalism at least 10 years ago — I vote for the latter.
The only two alternatives on the table right now are both forms of ethno-nationalism: progressive race essentialism vs real (Nazi) white supremacy. Both of those are disasters, so if the preservation of the goodness of Western Civilization requires being open to monarchy / Caesarism, so be it.

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Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

Life is often an exercise in choosing among greater and lesser evils. I too hope for some modern Caesar to save us, if only because I view the alternative as something fundamentally anti-human whether it succeeds or fails. Either a mindless hive of ants or a war between the hive and whatever is left of humanity that would likely destroy both.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I think the globalists are out to eliminate us either through zero carbon narrative, closing down farms on the basis of zero carbon, vaccine damage procedures, lack of heating or just deceiving us so that they can manipulate us. Courtesy of the WEF and messrs Biden, Shwab, Trudeau, Gates, Sunak and many others.

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Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I think the globalists are out to eliminate us either through zero carbon narrative, closing down farms on the basis of zero carbon, vaccine damage procedures, lack of heating or just deceiving us so that they can manipulate us. Courtesy of the WEF and messrs Biden, Shwab, Trudeau, Gates, Sunak and many others.

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Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

Life is often an exercise in choosing among greater and lesser evils. I too hope for some modern Caesar to save us, if only because I view the alternative as something fundamentally anti-human whether it succeeds or fails. Either a mindless hive of ants or a war between the hive and whatever is left of humanity that would likely destroy both.

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
1 year ago

I teach American civics — I teach it from an Enlightenment liberal perspective even though I no longer share that perspective. You ought to see the looks on my students’ faces when I explain that I personally have given up on the political system they’ve been studying.
Secular, procedural, Enlightenment liberalism is dead. We can either all play Weekend at Bernie’s with its corpse until it rots completely — ala Bari Weiss / Andrew Sullivan / David French — or we can try and figure out an alternative moral framework. Since the Left has a huge head start in this — they gave up liberalism at least 10 years ago — I vote for the latter.
The only two alternatives on the table right now are both forms of ethno-nationalism: progressive race essentialism vs real (Nazi) white supremacy. Both of those are disasters, so if the preservation of the goodness of Western Civilization requires being open to monarchy / Caesarism, so be it.

Last edited 1 year ago by Brian Villanueva
tom j
tom j
1 year ago

“Just because I dislike faceless proceduralism doesn’t mean I have much appetite to see political authority gathered into the mercurial hands of a transhumanist billionaire who wants to implant microchips in human brains”
Sure, but they seem to be the choices, and so most of us here at least would go for Musk over the swarm.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  tom j

I think that that depends on what the swarmists do.

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Oh, we know what they’re going to do – they’ve given lots of examples already.

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Oh, we know what they’re going to do – they’ve given lots of examples already.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  tom j

I think that that depends on what the swarmists do.

tom j
tom j
1 year ago

“Just because I dislike faceless proceduralism doesn’t mean I have much appetite to see political authority gathered into the mercurial hands of a transhumanist billionaire who wants to implant microchips in human brains”
Sure, but they seem to be the choices, and so most of us here at least would go for Musk over the swarm.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

To counterpunch swarmism with Ceasarism isn‘t such a bad idea. At least Ceasarism brings back some equilibrium. I hope that in the next US election Ceasarism will counter wokeness over the whole left-wing ideologues in institutions and companies. Somebody like DeSantis might push back the woke agenda as he did in Florida (battling it in schools and the giant Disney). Nowadays I can‘t even control the funds in my small portfolio as many of the big International Investment Firms don’t even offer proper energy funds anymore. When I checked one of the energy funds, it had no more fossil fuels in it. The only thing left for me was to invest directly into one of the big oil companies. Of course they will in turn be heavily taxed by the green politicians. Seems only Ceasarism is the answer!

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Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

To counterpunch swarmism with Ceasarism isn‘t such a bad idea. At least Ceasarism brings back some equilibrium. I hope that in the next US election Ceasarism will counter wokeness over the whole left-wing ideologues in institutions and companies. Somebody like DeSantis might push back the woke agenda as he did in Florida (battling it in schools and the giant Disney). Nowadays I can‘t even control the funds in my small portfolio as many of the big International Investment Firms don’t even offer proper energy funds anymore. When I checked one of the energy funds, it had no more fossil fuels in it. The only thing left for me was to invest directly into one of the big oil companies. Of course they will in turn be heavily taxed by the green politicians. Seems only Ceasarism is the answer!

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Kayla Marx
Kayla Marx
1 year ago

I think that most people on the Right (or, more correctly, the anti-Left, or the anti-Woke) are really enjoying seeing ElonMusk poking a finger in the eye of, shall we say, the Woke clerisy, without imagining that Musk is the answer to free speech or to the digital town square or our future form of government. But I appreciate this author’s attempt to describe our current social and political conundrums. Is it even possible to preserve the values of liberal Western democracy in an age of mass culture going online and global corporate tech mega trillionaires?
Re: Musk and transhumanism, I heard Musk talk about this briefly on Joe Rogan. He (naturally) has given a lot of thought to artificial intelligence and is rather frightened by it. (He knows he’s pretty smart for a human, and he knows that quite soon, AI will be much, much smarter than he is.) I also got the impression that he doesn’t think it’s possible to stop the development of artificial intelligence. He said something like – that as long as artificial intelligence is coming and can’t be stopped, the best (or least terrible) outcome for humanity is the we become AI and it becomes us. I think his logic is correct.

Last edited 1 year ago by Kayla Marx
Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Kayla Marx

I watched this same interview – done in 2018. It is amazing what prescience he has.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Kayla Marx

I watched this same interview – done in 2018. It is amazing what prescience he has.

Kayla Marx
Kayla Marx
1 year ago

I think that most people on the Right (or, more correctly, the anti-Left, or the anti-Woke) are really enjoying seeing ElonMusk poking a finger in the eye of, shall we say, the Woke clerisy, without imagining that Musk is the answer to free speech or to the digital town square or our future form of government. But I appreciate this author’s attempt to describe our current social and political conundrums. Is it even possible to preserve the values of liberal Western democracy in an age of mass culture going online and global corporate tech mega trillionaires?
Re: Musk and transhumanism, I heard Musk talk about this briefly on Joe Rogan. He (naturally) has given a lot of thought to artificial intelligence and is rather frightened by it. (He knows he’s pretty smart for a human, and he knows that quite soon, AI will be much, much smarter than he is.) I also got the impression that he doesn’t think it’s possible to stop the development of artificial intelligence. He said something like – that as long as artificial intelligence is coming and can’t be stopped, the best (or least terrible) outcome for humanity is the we become AI and it becomes us. I think his logic is correct.

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0 0
1 year ago

George Orwell–even de Tocqueville–would have had fun with this topic, What the author calls “swarmism” sounds more like digital, “the end justifies the means” totalitarianism.

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0 0
1 year ago

George Orwell–even de Tocqueville–would have had fun with this topic, What the author calls “swarmism” sounds more like digital, “the end justifies the means” totalitarianism.

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago

I.M.H.O. this talk of “swarms” is plain rubbish. What I find atrocious about the Hunter Biden Laptop affair is very simple. Dozens of politically motivated persons working in the U.S. legal, FBI, CIA security establishment were prepared to publish straight out lies in order to hood-wink the electorate into believing that the information disclosed by the lap-top was really “Russian disinformation”. The only “swarm” involved was the swarm of Democrat supporters who were themselves prepared, for the purpose of political advantage, to contribute to this campaign of disinformation. Shame on them!

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago

I.M.H.O. this talk of “swarms” is plain rubbish. What I find atrocious about the Hunter Biden Laptop affair is very simple. Dozens of politically motivated persons working in the U.S. legal, FBI, CIA security establishment were prepared to publish straight out lies in order to hood-wink the electorate into believing that the information disclosed by the lap-top was really “Russian disinformation”. The only “swarm” involved was the swarm of Democrat supporters who were themselves prepared, for the purpose of political advantage, to contribute to this campaign of disinformation. Shame on them!

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

Another great article from Mary. I share her distaste for what she calls ‘swarmism’. I call it passive collectivism, in that people are acting in a collective manner in accordance with collectivist goals and principles without being required to participate emotionally or intellectually in the collective as in traditional communism or socialism. It has the capacity to succeed where these ideologies failed because it does not require most individuals to have any sense of loyalty to the state or devotion to the ‘common good’. It lacks the more overbearing elements of previous attempts at collectivism. There is no rampant nationalism, no cult of personality around the leader, no hatred for a particular enemy, no revolutionary zeal, no fundamentalist religion to follow, etc. It is not even necessary for people to have any civic spirit, and indeed such spirit is counterproductive. What’s scary is that unlike communism/etc. there’s a chance it could actually work. There’s a reason these people are called technocrats, because it is technology, and only technology, that could deliver the ultimate collectivist victory. If the oligarchs are careful enough and patient enough and prioritize the right strategies, they could prevail. If technology and machines do most of the work and the people become artists and writers and entertainers and such, they would probably tolerate quite a lot. My guess is, though, that the ruling class won’t be patient enough or flexible enough. They’ll do what all people in power inevitably do and overestimate themselves and try to force their ideology on others. They’ll push for too much change too fast, overestimate their control, and start a fire that burns beyond their overestimated capacity to contain it. They will begin demanding instead of nudging, banning things entirely instead of simply subjecting them to public shame, and asking people to sacrifice for the cause instead of promising ever more grand delusions. However, since they’ve actively undermined any sense of tribal belonging, patriotism, or nationalism, the reaction will be swift and more chaotic than ever. The house of cards then collapses. Human nature will, of course, eventually reassert itself, and we’ll revert to some system of local control, regional culture, and small to medium sized nation states with governments reflective of local populations and economic factors, but not before millions or billions of people die from war and the accompanying disruption to the global economy that sustains the current population. I rather hope for some Caesar to save us, because I view the alternatives as far worse.

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Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

Another great article from Mary. I share her distaste for what she calls ‘swarmism’. I call it passive collectivism, in that people are acting in a collective manner in accordance with collectivist goals and principles without being required to participate emotionally or intellectually in the collective as in traditional communism or socialism. It has the capacity to succeed where these ideologies failed because it does not require most individuals to have any sense of loyalty to the state or devotion to the ‘common good’. It lacks the more overbearing elements of previous attempts at collectivism. There is no rampant nationalism, no cult of personality around the leader, no hatred for a particular enemy, no revolutionary zeal, no fundamentalist religion to follow, etc. It is not even necessary for people to have any civic spirit, and indeed such spirit is counterproductive. What’s scary is that unlike communism/etc. there’s a chance it could actually work. There’s a reason these people are called technocrats, because it is technology, and only technology, that could deliver the ultimate collectivist victory. If the oligarchs are careful enough and patient enough and prioritize the right strategies, they could prevail. If technology and machines do most of the work and the people become artists and writers and entertainers and such, they would probably tolerate quite a lot. My guess is, though, that the ruling class won’t be patient enough or flexible enough. They’ll do what all people in power inevitably do and overestimate themselves and try to force their ideology on others. They’ll push for too much change too fast, overestimate their control, and start a fire that burns beyond their overestimated capacity to contain it. They will begin demanding instead of nudging, banning things entirely instead of simply subjecting them to public shame, and asking people to sacrifice for the cause instead of promising ever more grand delusions. However, since they’ve actively undermined any sense of tribal belonging, patriotism, or nationalism, the reaction will be swift and more chaotic than ever. The house of cards then collapses. Human nature will, of course, eventually reassert itself, and we’ll revert to some system of local control, regional culture, and small to medium sized nation states with governments reflective of local populations and economic factors, but not before millions or billions of people die from war and the accompanying disruption to the global economy that sustains the current population. I rather hope for some Caesar to save us, because I view the alternatives as far worse.

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B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

This part:
he may have tweeted “Vox populi, vox dei” before reinstating Donald Trump after a Twitter poll, but no such amnesty has been forthcoming for Alex Jones. It’s a fairly explicit statement about what (or rather who) serves as the backstop to vox populi, under digital conditions…’
I used to watch Alex jones (with scepticism) a lot as a teenager, and he was entertaining and did used to touch on some interesting stuff, but he lost his way a long time ago, took a lot of stuff way too far and he’s been prosecuted. I don’t think he should be on twitter after that. Very different to trump who was actually the elected president of the US. Can’t really compare the two I feel.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Jones was correct to castigate Trump over his ludicrous ‘cruise missile strike’ against President Assad, but a complete ‘nutter’ over the Sandy Hook shootings.
However is it really better to EXPEL such people or let them condemn themselves by their own words and actions?

For example I have often wondered whether we should have hanged that raving anti-Semitic moron, one Julius Streicher. He continually spouted poisonous piffle, but never actually had ANY executive responsibility for the Holocaust, as even the Nazis had fired him as a ‘nut job’, long before it was initiated.

Arguably it would have been far better to have left him to experience the abject humiliation of post war Germany.

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B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Fair point, I think everyone shit themselves when I told Mr marvel his comments were ‘dangerous’. Lol. Just looking for a reaction you understand. He wasn’t smart enough to turn it round on me though 🙂
I see what you’re saying, Alex jones is still going on freeworldnews.tv so he hasn’t been completely erased & censored, the Alex jones twitter censorship debate is a long one to have, the sandy Hook and satanism stuff that he peddles is a bit low, just plays on the fears on your average American. So although I think censorship is not the way to go, I can understand why musk has kept him off for now, its a slightly different situation when the man’s been prosecuted I feel, Alex had the chance not to make a fool of himself, he did and now he has to deal with the consequences. So I feel he has already condemned himself and is now suffering the humiliation if you like. The backlash against him was his own doing. I thought it was all a real shame really, he used to be pretty good for pulling sources for everything, he got too far away from that with sandy hook, he has lost much his old following because of this and info wars is apparently nearly bankrupt. I think it’s a hard to judgement to make, I’m glad it wasn’t mine to make, but in this case, musk has had a right hard time trying to sort the twitter deal out, I can understand why, for now, he would be reluctant to reinstate Alex jones.
Of course then there’s the argument they were trying to deliberately shut Alex jones down, I don’t think so, as far as I can see he did overstep the line on sandy hook, he also covered the Boston bombings with much the same speal about crisis actors, he did do very well out of info wars too when it was at its peak, I think he had his chance, he is still going as well, so they never did shut him down properly. I don’t think comparing the reinstatement of trump to Jones is a fair one. Different kettle of fish I think. If I was musk, I’d be torn on reinstating Alex Jones, he’s one of those people that you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t really, if he does, you can understand why the sandy Hook families would be less than impressed, but then if you don’t you hit the censorship debate. Like I say, glad it wasn’t my decision. But I understand why musk made the decision he did.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

‘Freedom of speech’ well controlled in the UK by our Libel Laws. Nothing else is required.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

I’ve heard of these being used to silence the press more than once, I don’t know what constitutes a violation though to be honest or how stringent they are. I could fall foul and not have a clue.
That’s the other thing I suppose, have we really ever had proper freedom of speech, a long and separate debate…

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

In the past it was normally about ‘Security’.
I think the term used was to issue a “D Notice”

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Interesting, maybe I should brush up a bit on such things…

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Interesting, maybe I should brush up a bit on such things…

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

In the past it was normally about ‘Security’.
I think the term used was to issue a “D Notice”

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

I’ve heard of these being used to silence the press more than once, I don’t know what constitutes a violation though to be honest or how stringent they are. I could fall foul and not have a clue.
That’s the other thing I suppose, have we really ever had proper freedom of speech, a long and separate debate…

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

‘Freedom of speech’ well controlled in the UK by our Libel Laws. Nothing else is required.

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago

Without disagreeing that his Sandy Hook statements were utterly inexcusable, did he really believe them, or did he just realize that they were monetizable?
We seem to be living in a world where everyone (from Harry and Meghan to political leaders) are monetizing everything, and to hell with whatever damage is caused in the process?
I see some future Gibbon eventually writing about this in a ‘Decline and Fall of the West’.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Noel Chiappa

So do I! Thank you.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Noel Chiappa

So do I! Thank you.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Fair point, I think everyone shit themselves when I told Mr marvel his comments were ‘dangerous’. Lol. Just looking for a reaction you understand. He wasn’t smart enough to turn it round on me though 🙂
I see what you’re saying, Alex jones is still going on freeworldnews.tv so he hasn’t been completely erased & censored, the Alex jones twitter censorship debate is a long one to have, the sandy Hook and satanism stuff that he peddles is a bit low, just plays on the fears on your average American. So although I think censorship is not the way to go, I can understand why musk has kept him off for now, its a slightly different situation when the man’s been prosecuted I feel, Alex had the chance not to make a fool of himself, he did and now he has to deal with the consequences. So I feel he has already condemned himself and is now suffering the humiliation if you like. The backlash against him was his own doing. I thought it was all a real shame really, he used to be pretty good for pulling sources for everything, he got too far away from that with sandy hook, he has lost much his old following because of this and info wars is apparently nearly bankrupt. I think it’s a hard to judgement to make, I’m glad it wasn’t mine to make, but in this case, musk has had a right hard time trying to sort the twitter deal out, I can understand why, for now, he would be reluctant to reinstate Alex jones.
Of course then there’s the argument they were trying to deliberately shut Alex jones down, I don’t think so, as far as I can see he did overstep the line on sandy hook, he also covered the Boston bombings with much the same speal about crisis actors, he did do very well out of info wars too when it was at its peak, I think he had his chance, he is still going as well, so they never did shut him down properly. I don’t think comparing the reinstatement of trump to Jones is a fair one. Different kettle of fish I think. If I was musk, I’d be torn on reinstating Alex Jones, he’s one of those people that you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t really, if he does, you can understand why the sandy Hook families would be less than impressed, but then if you don’t you hit the censorship debate. Like I say, glad it wasn’t my decision. But I understand why musk made the decision he did.

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago

Without disagreeing that his Sandy Hook statements were utterly inexcusable, did he really believe them, or did he just realize that they were monetizable?
We seem to be living in a world where everyone (from Harry and Meghan to political leaders) are monetizing everything, and to hell with whatever damage is caused in the process?
I see some future Gibbon eventually writing about this in a ‘Decline and Fall of the West’.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

It was unforgivable to ban Trump from Twitter. Glad that Musk sorted it in the end.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Was a bit crazy, taking censorship to the max when the us president can’t get a tweet out. Think Mr musk is doing some good work.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Was a bit crazy, taking censorship to the max when the us president can’t get a tweet out. Think Mr musk is doing some good work.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Miss Emery I attempted a reply to your excellent post, but sadly the Censor became ‘excited’ because I had used the dreaded N word!
C’est la vie!

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

It has finally appeared, don’t they say nutter in London anymore? If that’s worthy of censorship no wonder we’re in trouble. Even jk Rowling uses it in Harry Potter, think unherd need to loosen up a bit.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

I think it might just have been the mention of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP, otherwise known as the The National German Socialist Workers’ Party.
How stupid of me !

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Lol! Well I think that one’s on me….

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Lol! Well I think that one’s on me….

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

I think it might just have been the mention of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP, otherwise known as the The National German Socialist Workers’ Party.
How stupid of me !

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

It has finally appeared, don’t they say nutter in London anymore? If that’s worthy of censorship no wonder we’re in trouble. Even jk Rowling uses it in Harry Potter, think unherd need to loosen up a bit.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Jones was correct to castigate Trump over his ludicrous ‘cruise missile strike’ against President Assad, but a complete ‘nutter’ over the Sandy Hook shootings.
However is it really better to EXPEL such people or let them condemn themselves by their own words and actions?

For example I have often wondered whether we should have hanged that raving anti-Semitic moron, one Julius Streicher. He continually spouted poisonous piffle, but never actually had ANY executive responsibility for the Holocaust, as even the Nazis had fired him as a ‘nut job’, long before it was initiated.

Arguably it would have been far better to have left him to experience the abject humiliation of post war Germany.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

It was unforgivable to ban Trump from Twitter. Glad that Musk sorted it in the end.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Miss Emery I attempted a reply to your excellent post, but sadly the Censor became ‘excited’ because I had used the dreaded N word!
C’est la vie!

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

This part:
he may have tweeted “Vox populi, vox dei” before reinstating Donald Trump after a Twitter poll, but no such amnesty has been forthcoming for Alex Jones. It’s a fairly explicit statement about what (or rather who) serves as the backstop to vox populi, under digital conditions…’
I used to watch Alex jones (with scepticism) a lot as a teenager, and he was entertaining and did used to touch on some interesting stuff, but he lost his way a long time ago, took a lot of stuff way too far and he’s been prosecuted. I don’t think he should be on twitter after that. Very different to trump who was actually the elected president of the US. Can’t really compare the two I feel.

Andy E
Andy E
1 year ago

It’s plain and simple, but the author does not want to see it:
It’s bad without any censorship (yes), but it’s much worse with it. As innocence as a first child’s step, any censorship mechanism will gradually become a monster eating any good intentions.
So from bad and very bad we have to choose the lesser evil.

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Andy E

“It’s bad without any censorship .. but it’s much worse with it”
Something the US Founding Fathers had the wit to realize several centuries ago. But who cares what a bunch of old, racist, white misogynistic males thought. (Including the one wo said ‘The road to hell is paved with good intentions’ – the epitaph for our age.)


Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Andy E

“It’s bad without any censorship .. but it’s much worse with it”
Something the US Founding Fathers had the wit to realize several centuries ago. But who cares what a bunch of old, racist, white misogynistic males thought. (Including the one wo said ‘The road to hell is paved with good intentions’ – the epitaph for our age.)


Andy E
Andy E
1 year ago

It’s plain and simple, but the author does not want to see it:
It’s bad without any censorship (yes), but it’s much worse with it. As innocence as a first child’s step, any censorship mechanism will gradually become a monster eating any good intentions.
So from bad and very bad we have to choose the lesser evil.

Måns Johansson Rüder
Måns Johansson Rüder
1 year ago

I dont agree with your take-away but i genuinly enjoy your analysis!

Måns Johansson Rüder
Måns Johansson Rüder
1 year ago

I dont agree with your take-away but i genuinly enjoy your analysis!

Chauncey Gardiner
Chauncey Gardiner
1 year ago

Haven’t we been living a post-liberal fantasy of liberal democracy since … 1932? Or, at least, 1947 when the United States started to assemble what Eisenhower would identify in 1960 as the “military-industrial complex”?
If one were to read The Best and the Brightest (1969), one might get the sense that we’ve been living in an elite swarmism all this time. The Americans no longer have Walter Cronkite and other New York or DC personalities to tell them what to think, but the elites and their retainers at places like the self-anointed “paper of record” (The New York Times) have always been there.

Chauncey Gardiner
Chauncey Gardiner
1 year ago

Haven’t we been living a post-liberal fantasy of liberal democracy since … 1932? Or, at least, 1947 when the United States started to assemble what Eisenhower would identify in 1960 as the “military-industrial complex”?
If one were to read The Best and the Brightest (1969), one might get the sense that we’ve been living in an elite swarmism all this time. The Americans no longer have Walter Cronkite and other New York or DC personalities to tell them what to think, but the elites and their retainers at places like the self-anointed “paper of record” (The New York Times) have always been there.

Gavin McDaid
Gavin McDaid
1 year ago

The legal backdrop is also relevant here.

Section 230 Communications Decency Act governs the regulation of social media posts on platforms like Twitter.

Essentially, this gives companies like Twitter immunity from prosecution from the posts created by their users.

This is what has given rise to “community guidelines” which has also something which has arisen out of the online communities that formed at the beginning of the Internet. This culture inevitably arose out of the US tech scene and colleges which supply them.

Whilst outwardly this might give the appearance of a left wing bias it does also get stuck in the more libertarian ideal of free speech which sometimes creates confusing outcomes.

Let’s remember this so called left progressive bias allowed Trump to stay on Twitter right up until after the January 6 insurrection.

Which points to another factor in the decision making of moderation, this being engagement and ultimately eyes for advertising sales.

Musk will surely have this in mind as he tries to get a return on his investment.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Gavin McDaid

It isn’t really his money anyway, it’s his sponsor’s money, and the CIA will get their money’s worth.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

He doesn’t have sponsors, he has investors, who can pull their money out anytime. And what is the CIA reference about? Or are you saying they sponsor Musk?

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  john O'Neal

He doesn’t have sponsors, he has investors, who can pull their money out anytime. And what is the CIA reference about? Or are you saying they sponsor Musk?

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Gavin McDaid

It isn’t really his money anyway, it’s his sponsor’s money, and the CIA will get their money’s worth.

Gavin McDaid
Gavin McDaid
1 year ago

The legal backdrop is also relevant here.

Section 230 Communications Decency Act governs the regulation of social media posts on platforms like Twitter.

Essentially, this gives companies like Twitter immunity from prosecution from the posts created by their users.

This is what has given rise to “community guidelines” which has also something which has arisen out of the online communities that formed at the beginning of the Internet. This culture inevitably arose out of the US tech scene and colleges which supply them.

Whilst outwardly this might give the appearance of a left wing bias it does also get stuck in the more libertarian ideal of free speech which sometimes creates confusing outcomes.

Let’s remember this so called left progressive bias allowed Trump to stay on Twitter right up until after the January 6 insurrection.

Which points to another factor in the decision making of moderation, this being engagement and ultimately eyes for advertising sales.

Musk will surely have this in mind as he tries to get a return on his investment.

Martin Terrell
Martin Terrell
1 year ago

Oh well, better the devil you know …

LCarey Rowland
LCarey Rowland
1 year ago

Democracy is dying. Long live democracy!
Thanks for your enlightened analysis.
Tech-enabled swarming gives me mental hives.
Where’s the honey in these hives?

Lyn N
Lyn N
1 year ago

Packed with insight and valid points, as always, Mary.

As with all things, pragmatism wins, but pragmatism with some goodness and beauty in it is the ideal. The outcome we end up with is the one that most people can be motivated to pursue, while triggering the least amount of resistance that cannot be overcome.

It’s true we’re not going to make a silk purse from a sow’s ear…but we’ll all do the best we can with what we have and today is certainly better than yesterday.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago

Truth, yes, Truth is important.

ken stump
ken stump
1 year ago

I hate to break it to you, but “progressive post-liberalism” isn’t a thing. Granted, it sounds more erudite than the colloquial “wokeism,” but it’s not a philosophy, not a religion, not even a political ideology. Wokeism is a straw man ginned up by culture war conservatives to attack the Black Lives Matter movement, the 1619 Project, Diversity, Equality & Inclusion (DEI) programs in the workplace, history lessons in the classroom addressing racism, etc. But conservatives didn’t invent the phrase, they only stole it from African American slang, where the phrase “stay woke” had a long history as a watchword for awareness of racially motivated threats from white America. By the time MAGAworld & Fox News caught on & started using it as a signifier of political correctness run amok, “woke” was hopelessly tainted. Sleaze merchants like Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) coined variants such as “woketopians” to mock liberals of all stripes. It has become radioactive in the very communities to whom the woke mentality is ascribed.
I gather that pre-Musk Twitter epitomized the progressive post-liberalism hive mentality & woke nannies that you deplore. Musk clearly has an agenda to turn the tables on this crowd-sourced culture of political correctness & save our precious 1st Amendment right of free speech. First order of business, after firing or driving off most of the staff, was to welcome back Kanye West & Donald Trump & all the other right-wing trolls & sowers of disinformation that had been banned by the Swarm. Then he released private company correspondence & turned the Hunter Biden laptop episode into a political hit job under the guise of defending free speech rights. If watching a dumpster fire burn is your thing, Musk is your man. Give the people bread & circuses, Caesar.  
If the “Twitter Files” are Musk’s “Caesarist counterpunch,” then the emperor has no clothes. Elon Musk tried to spin the removal of Hunter Biden’s d**k pics as a case of censorship that violated free speech rights, making himself & all the right-wing media a laughingstock in the process. What posting the pics actually violated were Twitter’s terms of service then and (presumably) now, namely, “Nonconsensual pictures of people’s junk are not protected speech.”
If that’s too woke for you, there’s always the naked emperor. He has no moral scruples & no impulse control at all.   

ken stump
ken stump
1 year ago

I hate to break it to you, but “progressive post-liberalism” isn’t a thing. Granted, it sounds more erudite than the colloquial “wokeism,” but it’s not a philosophy, not a religion, not even a political ideology. Wokeism is a straw man ginned up by culture war conservatives to attack the Black Lives Matter movement, the 1619 Project, Diversity, Equality & Inclusion (DEI) programs in the workplace, history lessons in the classroom addressing racism, etc. But conservatives didn’t invent the phrase, they only stole it from African American slang, where the phrase “stay woke” had a long history as a watchword for awareness of racially motivated threats from white America. By the time MAGAworld & Fox News caught on & started using it as a signifier of political correctness run amok, “woke” was hopelessly tainted. Sleaze merchants like Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) coined variants such as “woketopians” to mock liberals of all stripes. It has become radioactive in the very communities to whom the woke mentality is ascribed.
I gather that pre-Musk Twitter epitomized the progressive post-liberalism hive mentality & woke nannies that you deplore. Musk clearly has an agenda to turn the tables on this crowd-sourced culture of political correctness & save our precious 1st Amendment right of free speech. First order of business, after firing or driving off most of the staff, was to welcome back Kanye West & Donald Trump & all the other right-wing trolls & sowers of disinformation that had been banned by the Swarm. Then he released private company correspondence & turned the Hunter Biden laptop episode into a political hit job under the guise of defending free speech rights. If watching a dumpster fire burn is your thing, Musk is your man. Give the people bread & circuses, Caesar.  
If the “Twitter Files” are Musk’s “Caesarist counterpunch,” then the emperor has no clothes. Elon Musk tried to spin the removal of Hunter Biden’s d**k pics as a case of censorship that violated free speech rights, making himself & all the right-wing media a laughingstock in the process. What posting the pics actually violated were Twitter’s terms of service then and (presumably) now, namely, “Nonconsensual pictures of people’s junk are not protected speech.”
If that’s too woke for you, there’s always the naked emperor. He has no moral scruples & no impulse control at all.   

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

All Mr Musk has to do is speak with authority. eg:-

“Iussu regis ex auctoritate concilii primorum ac pontificum ab eo quem penes est summa potestas, magister modo declaratus hic ego aditum postulo.”

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

All Mr Musk has to do is speak with authority. eg:-

“Iussu regis ex auctoritate concilii primorum ac pontificum ab eo quem penes est summa potestas, magister modo declaratus hic ego aditum postulo.”

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

My,, but Psyop Musk is working well. The populace trades PR for Musk while Rishi Sunak goes about unfettered in making protest illegal in Britain.
Good job, CIA!

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

My,, but Psyop Musk is working well. The populace trades PR for Musk while Rishi Sunak goes about unfettered in making protest illegal in Britain.
Good job, CIA!