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October 1, 2021 - 10:35am
Finally, some sense has been injected into the trans debate, specifically on the inclusion of transgender people in sport.
Guidance published yesterday by the Sports Councils Equality Group (SCEG) states what everyone once knew to be true: biological sex matters in sport. Policy is the responsibility of National Governing Bodies (NGBs), but the recommendations from the SCEG — a group of officers from all the UK Sports Councils — will be hard to ignore.
Crucially, the guidance states: “Competitive fairness cannot be reconciled with self-identification into the female category in gender-affected sport.” I might have preferred the word “sex”, but “gender-affected” is the language of the Equality Act. The law is clear and has been since 2010: NGBs can “restrict participation of transsexual people in such competitions if this is necessary to uphold fair or safe competition.”
That is easy to forget in 2021, the year when the International Olympic Committee’s inclusive rules allowed Laurel Hubbard — a biological male — to qualify in the women’s’ weightlifting competition in Tokyo.
Sport should be inclusive, but it must also be fair. We do not allow adults to enter events for children, so why have we been including males in female events? A competitive advantage arises in both cases. Moving forwards, the SCEG considers an approach that should be both inclusive and fair: two categories, open and female. It’s not a revolutionary idea — indeed I suggested it myself in The Post earlier this year — but the SCEB has credibility and influence over NGBs.
The open category is inclusive by definition while the female category protects the right of women to compete exclusively against their own sex. Moreover, the SCEB are clear in their definitions: “Female entries would be required to declare themselves as recorded female at birth.” That is not something anyone could “identify into.”
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SubscribeThis reminds me of a BBC interview some years ago. A Dutch guy wanted to change his age on official documents so he could “honestly” say on dating apps that he was 45 instead of 65 or whatever the ages were. He “certified” that he felt 45, and had documents from physicians attesting to the “fact” that he had the body of a 45 year old, and had seen psychologists attesting to his mental fitness. He also seemed to be living as a 45 year old…. OK, ha ha, good for him! Good joke!
But he was good! He compared all of the above to a trans person: he had a doctor’s certification, he was of sound mind, and had “lived” as a 45 year old. The interviewer, a person who menstruates, just could not accept any of this, and was (seemingly) completely oblivious to his argument, repeating over and over again something like “But you’re not 45….” She just didn’t get it, and it was hilarious to listen to her protestations while not seeing the direct correlation to the arguments that are put forward by trans people, which must be accepted or one risks cancellation.
Monty Python would have such fun….
Monty python was prophetic on this. Never has that line from The Life of Brian – “his struggle against reality” – been so meaningful.
But was the interviewer wrong to insist on fact?
Anyone interested might like to go to YouTube and search for this: ‘Gender Identity: Can a 5’9, White Guy Be a 6’5, Chinese Woman?’ [https://wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=xfO1veFs6Ho&t=103s]
The interviews, conducted on a US university campus (over five years ago) seem to suggest that he can. All he has to do is say that he is, and he is.
There are other clips on the same lines.
I’ve had a look at the YouTube video you suggested and found it quite bizarre that youngsters are able to be brainwashed to such an extent. It’s clear to see that they’re not comfortable as they deny what they really think and feel in their attempt to demonstrate how inclusive they are. That video led me to another with Piers Morgan- Gender neutral family are raising their child as a Theyby. Wow these people have too much time on their hands. If they were working in minimum wage jobs, they wouldn’t have the time or energy to be so attention seeking! Thankfully working class people aren’t falling for this nonsense.
“person who menstruates“!? You are clearly a radical Post-Menopausist!
Thank God, at last a gleam of common sense.
Debbie, you make a point that seems to me to have been hiding in plain sight. That it would be preposterous from me to self identify as a child. The idea would be laughed out of the Guardian cafeteria. At least I assume it would …….
… not safe to assume that I’m afraid.
If you’d care to look at the YouTube clip I referenced in reply to James Joyce, you’ll see why.
A white chap, 5 foot 9, finds many people on a US campus happily accept that he is a 6 foot 5 Chinese woman, if he says he is.
He also asks whether he can be a seven-year old child. Nobody says an outright No.
So, over at the Guardian cafeteria … will they laugh at your preposterous idea, or just giggle nervously because they daren’t contradict you? (It would be unkind to hurt a child’s feelings, after all, wouldn’t it?)
…I suspect the Guardianistas would fall over themselves to recognise a burly asylum seeker with heavy and white-tinged beard as being in their ealy teens as and when required…
Sweden puts them in primary schools
We are supposedly making great intellectual advances with the improvements in computers and data science… and here we are just acknowledging that there are differences in the sexes. Clown world.
Another senible article from Debbie Hayton. You compete in sport to challenge yourself and to win. A level playing field is essential if winning is to be both attainable and mean anything. An open category enables you to compete to be the best of all participants. Restricted categories enable you to compete with an achievable chance of winning against comparable participants and can be based on factors that limit performance such as age, weight, biological sex or other factors such as disabilities. It also makes it clear that someone who won medals before transitioning is entitled to keep them after transitioning.
Great news that common sense appears to prevail in at least one Sports official body. We’re bodies with penises and vaginas involved or men and women?
Laurel Hubbard has just been given a SPORTSWOMAN of the Year award in New Zealand.
Thereby denying it to a woman.
This sounds encouraging so let’s see if people are prepared to accept and act on “The Science”!
So, Debbie, how do you manage to fit in both journalism AND lesson preparation and marking?
I’m now a part-time teacher. I would not be able to pursue other interests if I worked in school full-time.
Bahhhh…. [Airily waving away such a poor excuse]… I reckon, can’t be arsed is more likely…honestly, teachers and their excuses for dodging work. 🙂
If you work part-time, you earn part-time pay. It’s hardly work dodging. I’m a teacher and have had plenty of friends who thought this too about teachers. A couple of them even went into teaching assuming it’d be a walk in the park. After a year they were all too happy to return to their 9-hour a day corporate jobs.
Teaching is tough. It’s not just the hours of managing undisciplined children, but the endless grind of grading, filling in pointless rubrics to prove you have graded properly, lesson preparation, irate parents, low status, low pay, holier-than-thou colleagues, zero advancement, and school leaders who share the same opinion of us as you.
I’m not scolding you 🙂 I don’t think you were being all that serious, but many people believe that just because we have school holidays we’re not entitled to complain about work.
And indeed, there are lazy teachers. I won’t deny that. Often though, it is the more conscientious teachers that get taken advantage of the most. In my last college I was teaching 33 hours a week to approximately 700 students. After a year I had to resign, because the situation was no longer feasible.
Clearly my attempt at humour was seen as a dud.
I got it
Leave Debbie alone. Thankfully she spends time writing articles that are informed, logical and reasonable. This is a phenomenon that is as rare as a dodo in respect of this topic.
Are there really enough trans women and trans men to make an ‘open’ category workable in any mainstream competitive sport? And wouldn’t the trans women – biologically male -have an unfair advantage over the trans men – biologically female? This all gets more complicated by the day.
No one is obliged to enter
I thought it would simply be two categories, a female one for biological women, and an open one for everybody else, so male and trans.
I’ve heard reports that in the U.S. transwomen have had their Birth Certificates altered.
I wonder, we could have “open” and “ladies” toilets too.
The idea that women are ever SO useless that they need categories reserved to them, as opposed to the grown ups who play in the “open”, makes me feel rather uneasy. Personally I would find it rather degrading. If you have men’s and women’s event you don’t have this feeling of belonging to a B category.
Are there cases, in sport or elsewhere, where men are the protected category? There must be.
It isn’t Men’s and Women’s as such, it is events where people who were formally men can compete against big and bulky gentic females who chose to compete against the men who were formally women or for trans players to play against other trains players.
If women’s sport is to survive, trans and genetic men need to kept out of it or genetic women get crushed…look at the boys hammering the girls at netball..
https://www.news.com.au/sport/netball/boys-netball-team-hits-back-after-title-win-over-girls-sparks-uproar/news-story/11a96e05f6481ac113191c9aabdc7e72
…the crowd being spot on in their reaction to the idea of young men (with all their physical advantages over young women) being allowed to play against young women.
And more seriously, when former men are allowed to play against women in a contact sport…the gentic females are in real danger of getting hurt…
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/thats-ideology-not-science-renowned-sports-scientist-steps-in-on-transwomen-in-rugby-debate/
The problem here is, some of those same feeble bodied women for whose benefit we have these weird, artificial, women only events….would turn around and abuse you and accuse you of being a sexist monster, if you suggest that women are not physically as strong. Case in point, McEnroe being under attack for claiming the Williams were not the greatest ever and stating (accurately) that they would struggle to beat rank 700 in the men’s circuit.
Sometimes, stating the facts, makes people ever so cross.
I understand all that, but I would think that sportswomen would find this kind of categorization demeaning.
In the end what you do in order to get the trans brigade out of women’s sports is to create a b-class event. I think from such a premise you can forget about things like equal prize money and such trivialities as you have enshrined that women are not as good. Mind you, that could well be true, but if that is the case you should be open about it.
I don’t think the solution is nearly as simple as Debbie thinks.
No, I never said not as good, just not able to compete with women who were once men, especially in contact sports.
Think about, say Martin Johnson, a former professional rugby union player..even if he transitioned during his playing days, he’d still be a Big F56kin’ Unit, way more powerful than any female he would have been likely to play against and his female opponent would run the risk of serious injury.
That risk of a bigger player injuring a smaller player is the reason we have age groups in sport (and in NZ, they segregate by weight to try and reduce the chance of a player vs player mismatch causing an injury…recognising the laws of physics as they apply in the real world, not how progressive Loons wished how the laws of physics operated).
I have to agree with you and was going to post much the same. It does make women’s sport into ‘b’ grade, rather than a level competitive field for half of the population.
The question of inclusion is difficult also. People have a right to take exercise, but competitive sport requires the consent of all participants to function. The current situation attempts to use equality law to place an obligation on some athletes to compete against those who they view as having an unfair advantage. This is not sustainable.
I’m afraid this is just nonsense. Why do you think that women’s sport is B class? That sounds like straightforward prejudice against women. There are sports where single sex events really don’t matter, for example the equestrian sports which often have mixed teams. Ditto tennis with mixed doubles. But you’d have to be insane to think that, for example, Emma Raducanu could beat Novak Djokovic in a singles match. The physical disparity is striking.
Just read the article about netball. That is different situation, though. It wasn’t boys posing as girls, but boys play against girls.
I wonder what got into the mind of whatever regulator decided that.
Also, that boys’ team must have been crap too, and yet.
I think that is an interesting case study.
One of the comments nailed it: we should have open competitions only, everyone included (boys, men, trans, girls, disabled… you name it), then boxing would become interesting.
Women would disappear from sport.
Well, we could. The problem is that currently people with male chromosomes, and all that that entails, are able to ignore the signposts and use the inappropriate space, or compete in the inappropriate sport.
The idea that an open category would somehow reduce the prestige of women’s sport is rather analogous to saying that if a bantam weight fighter didn’t compete in an open event against heavyweights, their prowess would be diminished.
Their prowess *would* be diminished if there was a protected category event and an open event.
I have seen it in Bridge. There are ladies events, which are notoriously weaker, and the open, which is where you want to do well, and where women are very rarely indeed at the top (hence the protected event).
Bantam weight is a protected category. That’s how boxing works.
I’m a man and much prefer separate toilets. In all this talk of ‘sharing spaces’, actual men were never consulted on what they thought. It was just naturally assumed we would have no problem seeing women going to the toilet. Not only that, but I can’t imagine it’s all that pleasant either for women to have sit on a lavatory bowl that many men have used.
It is effing disgusting. I would rather use a stadium buddy.
The ghastly shared toilet was fashionable in nightclubs in the noughties, especially hip London ones. Banks of urinals and cubicles in the same room. It was a truly dreadful experience for all concerned.
I guess women could enter events in the open category if they want to.