DH didn't want SWI during my EWCM phase. Photo: Getty.

For at least five years in the early 2000s, I led a secret double life. Outwardly, I was a respectable university lecturer bringing up two small children. But in a virtual space online, I was another person entirely — an oversharer, plotter, weeper, fighter, rubbernecker. In other words, I was a regular on an internet chat forum for mums.
The particular site I haunted was small, cliquey, and dwarfed even then by the behemoth that is Mumsnet — the motherlode of mother chat, 25 years old this very month. What started off in 2000 as a tiny website, conceived of by founder Justine Roberts as a place to swap tips about holidays and buggies, is now the sort of outfit that can make or break commercial or even political fortunes.
Every month, millions of users ignore the boring articles on the front page and head straight to the “talk” bit: to learn, laugh, vent, and gawp at the incredible state of other people’s marriages. All female life is on Mumsnet: shooting the breeze, recommending products, worrying a lot, talking politics, judging other people’s parenting from a great height, discussing weight loss, and laughing at the unfortunate lady whose husband once ate some Bombay Mix, then tried to give her oral.
Occasionally, men are to be found on Mumsnet too, the weirdos. They should probably be made to do a land acknowledgement. For, despite the ecumenical pretensions to being “by parents for parents”, in essence it is still a woman’s world. It has its own complicated rules, mythologies, social hierarchies, and culture. It even has a language: where else can an OP get a YANBU about that CF, DH, not wanting to SWI during your EWCM phase when all you can think about is getting a BFP?
Never has the wisdom of crowds been so hard to interpret. Eventually you get your ear in, though. My active chatting days on forums are long gone, but I still use Mumsnet for reassurance whenever I or someone close to me has unexplained health symptoms. Simply put whatever physical glitch you are worried about into the search bar, add “Mumsnet”, and find a thread by someone who had roughly the same thing.
There, in the answers, you will find an efficient distillation of at least 10 doctors’ opinions on your symptoms, filtered through the intensely detail-oriented scrutiny of hypochondriac posters who took the very same problem straight to A&E. Discount the answers from the most obviously crazy people, read the rest, and start to breathe again, reassured you probably won’t die anytime soon — at least, until you reach the bottom of the thread and realise the OP never came back.
The odd bit of dilettante lurking is a far cry from my enthusiastic levels of engagement back in the 2000s. I first found my own preferred site when I was newly pregnant, body fizzy with hormones, thrilled and intimidated by what was to come. The front page — a list of questions and exclamations by people with daft made-up names — seemed incomprehensible. Clicking on what I would later learn were called “threads”, I mentally approached each as if I was reading a static text, wondering why anyone would bother recording this ephemera for posterity.
But then came the gestalt switch, a moment of exhilaration I still remember from my current position as a jaded net aficionado. I pressed “refresh”. All the headings changed. I pressed again, and they changed again. The penny dropped: it was updating in real time. Women across the UK were chatting about their lives here under the guise of anonymity. And I could look in, voyeuristically. A few months later, I chose my codename — a very funny one I’d love to tell you about, except that nothing ever dies on the internet — and started to post too. My second life had begun.
For a while, I was quite obsessed, though that could have been the hormones. Because of its small size, being on this forum was a bit like being back at school; except that the cool kids who ran the place were those that were clever and good at writing, which made it very unlike the school I had actually attended. Here, too, there were the equivalents of prefects, rebels, teacher’s pets, sad losers and perpetual comedians. Indeed, as if at a virtual St Trinian’s, our more anarchic members would sometimes daringly embark on what were known as “panty raids” to a still-young Mumsnet to try to stir up trouble there.
As well as larking about, there was a lot of histrionics. “Flounces” were legion, though much mocked. I am sure I indulged in a flounce or two myself — after all, it’s quite easy to get annoyed at strangers on the internet, it turns out. And it was there that I first experienced the hypnotic pull of stripping yourself down to just a name and some sentences: no physical presence or inadvertent gestures for others to gauge the meaning of, but only your words.
Many births were celebrated — including both of mine — and a couple of very sad deaths were mourned. There was a lot of drunken TMI, several blood feuds, and the vastly entertaining presence of some total fantasists. At one point, a regular poster with a useless husband, new baby, and post-natal depression was dramatically unmasked as having none of these things, despite friends on the site having just sent her baby clothes. One of my mates had even just talked to her for hours on the phone, with the sound of her fake baby crying in the background. It is a wonder my own small children survived this period, so gripped was I by the daily melodrama.
Obviously, part of the appeal of these places is that contact is all virtual. Being stuck in a room with your favourite internet characters is less fun that you might imagine — and I don’t have to imagine, because I used to go on forum meets. All the things that make huge gatherings of women hell in person — gushing insincerity, rivalry, passive-aggression, a lack of healthy boundaries, etc — are dialled down a bit, or at least are safely corralled on the other side of your screen. Meanwhile, the fun and life-enhancing bits of female companionship remain to be enjoyed at a distance: common sense, empathy, righteous outrage, campy irreverence, gossip. There is an energy and lightness in social interactions on Mumsnet which you could never get on a male-dominated forum. Quite simply, we were born for this social media stuff.
Perhaps not surprising, then, that Mumsnet has also played a major role in cementing the status of Terf island. If there is one thing I know for sure about transactivists, it’s that lightness and wit are not their forte. In this arena, angry envious men typing insults or shouting mantras just don’t stand a chance; they might as well pack up their laptops and go home to their basements. And anyway, childish emotional blackmail doesn’t tend to work on mums. Not to mention that it’s hard to pretend that human biology is a flexible state of mind, when you’ve just heaved a baby out of your bleeding body and now have to feed it.
The forum I loved the most closed a good few years back, sucked into the huge gravitational pull of Mumsnet and eventually consumed. I’m still in a WhatsApp group with a handful of former members, though the kids we used to ask each other worried questions about are now grown up, and some of them have children of their own. But every now and again my phone will light up as of old, and I will shoot the breeze with Skirt, Chels, Howdie, and Joan of Argos, a grin on my face as I scroll, type, and PMSL. Last night we were discussing a face powder we are all getting ads for: Howdie had bought it already, I found myself bizarrely tempted, and Skirt decided it would make her look like a pharaoh. AIBU to think, when so much else on the internet is dark and sordid, online friendships between mums are a wonderful thing? IMHO they really are.
Interesting read about someone else’s view of the evolution of the internet based on their chat room experiences over the years.
To be sure, the thrill is gone, and all my haunts have transformed or in some cases been absorbed by a Borg-like conglomerate like Mumsnet.
To hear an insider’s experience with a site that I knew about but never visited is a bit eye opening, but there are no real surprises about what she experienced. And she’s right – women were born for social media. Thanks for the great read, Kathleen!
Just wonderful. One of the (largely) male equivalents i’ve been engaged in is the forum of my local football team (one of the less successful ones in the shadow of the Manchester giants).
The process of evolution Kathleen describes has followed a similar track – so whilst she describes the virtues and vices specific to a female forum, there’s also something universal in how the medium has evolved.
It’s also a snapshot of the internet.She describes how it felt at first, like a return to the pleasures and pains of schooldays. Now, having moved on, those early internet days can never be revived. Oh, the nostalgia!
Entertaining and enlightening article for old-fashioned me, thank you.
I’ve never found delight in social media the way KS describes, despite having been highly sociable as a young woman, which seems to suggest there’s a mental adaptation going on for Kathleen’s generation and younger. Of course, there’s bound to be.
Makes me feel old old old, but that’s the way it goes. I would’nt swap all my happy, sad, difficult, hilarious times with people right there beside me that I could, and can, see and touch.
What matters with a technological change such as this is that the best use for good is made of it, and KS’s article seems to suggest she has done that.
Joan of Argos! Worth reading it for that alone!
Me too! Years ago, I came across someone called John the Slapstick.
An enjoyable read on a cold Friday morning.
My experience in a chat group in the early to mid-2000s was in The Guardian’s Comment is Free forum.
There was a range of political opinion from (as you’d expect), the barking mad far left (one or two claiming to be members of the fabled Black Bloc) to the almost equally deranged far Right (part of the joy was guessing in what guise the moderator banned would reappear later).
In between there was a huge range of entertaining, witty and educated opinion, whilst we were frequently treated to utterly bizarre rants (Bidisha), radfem stuff (Julie Bindel and Suzanne Moore) and loony lefty polemics Above The Line.
It progressed to a general community chat group about all sorts of things, and regulars clearly spent much of the day when they were supposed to be working, online.
There were regular meet ups at Christmas, too.
It was too good to last, sadly. It went with Rusbridger.
I think it’s the fate of all message boards. They start off with a good mix, then eventually the noisy ideological extremes start drowning out the majority who end up leaving and you’re left with an echo chamber of idiots
Yes, highjacking occurs, and it’s sad when it does. It only takes one to spoil a party.
A very interesting view of a culture alien to my own male space. Well done !
Female companionship is something I have always found difficult and draining which is why I have few female friends and also probably why my preferred forum hangout is the largely male-vibe Unherd. Also a bit much sometimes, but still more rational than any female clique.
Reddit is incredibly useful for gaining assurance on niche life problems that you honestly don’t want to talk to anyone to in real life…but even then I just go via a Google search with Reddit suffix. Participation is just too stressful, Reddit can become toxic very quickly over nothing and I just don’t need that.
We can only hope that women of such profile can finally forsake the Left and join the international conservative movement.
There is a type. Aaron Bastani is a good example. Of someone who historically has identified as on the Left.
A. ‘Good person’, not like the fascists. The heartless capitalist.
But someone who has grown up.
Become a full 3D person.
This simplistic stereotype is hard to shake when it comes to your own identity.
So you end up with the LINO.
Left in name only.
The excellent K Stock may be a classic LINO.
Unable to make the final transition to a self ID conservative.
My theory is that when women become mums they become more conservative – a natural instinct to protect ones offspring.
Ha! Joan of Argos. Love it….
Mumsnet makes me wish I was a woman. Hang on, maybe that makes me one…
…were
This makes me so nostalgic for the early days! I was part of a community on Alison Bechdel’s Dykes to Watch Out For blog. We would start by commenting on her latest post, and then ramble off in all directions. We were an interesting bunch, a strange mashup of lesbians and comic geeks: weird, but it worked. Some posters had their own blogs: Maggie’s Metawatershed, Blue Ox, Konagod…
And for the first time, I had a truly rich and varied social life. Of course, Facebook sucked them all up, and that worked well too until it was monetised. Some of those people are now lifelong friends IRL, but I really miss that world.
No not AIBU, IMHO def YANBU – anyone disagreeing is probably a case of YABOS
nothing so elite as an acronym
‘If there is one thing I know for sure about transactivists, it’s that lightness and wit are not their forte.’
Ha! Very good..
Men and women are clearly very very very different organisms.
Just lovely. Men and women, especially Mums, are really different in wonderful ways. Listening to my wife chat with friends and family is just so different to how men chat. Loved the health worries thread tip – I’ll mention it to my wife – if anyone is ill, they’ll always talk with her.
I’ve suddenly got nostalgic for a naughties Big Brother forum on, I think, The Times website. There was a lightness and common desire to amuse that feels very outdated now. Strange where we find community sometimes.
great
Great fun
She’s wonderful
Agree. An interesting article (and as usual with Dr Stock, well written) from a different point of view.
My 90s forum posting was to a gaming site, but definitely on the nerdy end of the spectrum (so, ultra-nerdy ) as we collaborated on creating modifications and add-ons to the game.
I went on a few forum meets as well. One guy came from Spain and another from the US. Fun, but these things are probably best left as online things….
Nice piece.
The only experience I have of this kind of thing is a football board. A small one, quite well policed so no serious idiots on it. They certainly have their value, though I am out of the habit of using it.
Maybe I’ll have another look!
What? Free speech being policed? And that makes your experience better? Don’t let Unherd hear you…
You should try a hardcore football forum. Everything I know from there is dangerous.
Loved it ! And it kept out most of the male failed political journalists who devoted far too much of their time squabbling with each other on UnHerd comments
And yet female failed political journalists are welcomed on Unherd comments…
Who cares?
A while ago (last year? Maybe the year before?) I was having some issues with my son’s school. Trying to do some research into the problem,I kept being directed to MumsNet.
I took the plunge. I registered. I posted. I explained my position (dad, that I was new to Mumsnet, what the problem was and some options that I could see).
About half the replies, I couldn’t understand. Full of acronyms that meant nothing to me, but were required in order to understand the rest of the message. Frankly, too many to look up, and many with a bunch of possible meanings. Another quarter were… I dunno, “mean”? Telling me I wasn’t welcome, or that other people have worse than this issue so I should shut up and live with it, or that I was a bad parent or whatever. I’m big and ugly enough that it didn’t bother me, but I remember thinking that someone more fragile might struggle with such hostility.
The remainder were comprehensible and friendly enough, but zero actual help.
All in all, I considered it a hellscape, and I’ll happily leave it to the ladies.