Do we only exist if we are seen online? Credit: LouiseOrwin.com

As a 16-year-old girl living in New York City, I’m part of a cohort that’s often talked about — as a matter of head-shaking concern among politicians, academics, and journalists — but rarely heard from: as creatures with greater agency and more serious ideas than the older generation might assume.
You hear about us as being hopelessly in thrall to the infinite scroll of social media; obsessed with micro-influencers whose fame doesn’t even last 45 seconds, let alone 15 minutes; and ever on the verge of falling into eating disorders or self-harm as a result of the images and ideas that flash before our truncated attention spans. We are the “anxious generation”, mind-controlled by apps designed to be as addictive as possible. More specifically, we are framed as victims of a Chinese app called TikTok.
To be clear, the TikTok-girl crises I sketched above are all too real. But the older generation’s discourse around them more or less ignores what the people who are in need of rescue have to say for themselves. As a result, it misses the granular details that could make for better and more realistic reforms, if reforms are needed.
Famehungry — a new piece of performance art about TikTok being staged at the Soho Playhouse this week as part of the New York City Fringe Festival — is a good example of how such critiques go wrong. In it, the London-based theatre artist Louise Orwin explores the big question — TikTok, good or evil? — in a multimedia format that streams simultaneously on TikTok Live and integrates the app in interesting ways with the in-person performance. Audience members who still have the tabooed and sort-of-banned app can like or comment as the play unfolds; everyone sees Orwin acting into her phone and her screen-view is projected onto the stage. It could have been fun, but the performance was chaotic and overwhelmed by a too-on-the-nose “concern message” about people like me.
Orwin’s breakout performance in 2014 was a project called Pretty Ugly that examined the online identities of teenage girls. Famehungry covers some of the same territory, asking about the app’s effects on the mental health, self-esteem, and happiness of girls and young women.
The new work opens with Orwin sprawled onstage in various positions illuminated only by the glow of her phone. It’s a commentary on the social-media era: we only exist as we are seen online. I could relate to it some; it reminded me of staying up late with only the light of my phone in my room. She is wearing a red Adidas track suit and clashing neon green bodysuit, and she writhes around while loud and jarring ambient music plays. Next she sits down at a desk covered in pink hair and starts babytalking and making scrunchy faces into the camera. “Just waiting for a few more people to join”, she repeats, over and over and over. She also performs a few TikTok stereotypes, like waving and saying hi, drinking from her Stanley, and eating stuff off her acrylic nails (eating videos are called mukbang, from the Korean words meaning “eat” and “broadcast”).
Orwin explains during the play that she joined TikTok because she missed performing live during the pandemic, and she discovered that one of her former students, a 15-year-old named Jax Valentine, had 20,000 followers. She wondered if she could get up to that number, which was more than she’d ever achieved in a theatre in real life. During the performance, she’s hoping to achieve 20,000 likes and promises she’ll “do something amazing” for the audience if she does. Jax makes live guest appearances on another screen to coach her.
A long middle section of the play talks about what Orwin likes about TikTok. She picks the weird, outlandish, or simply brainrot videos — people running in slow motion, girls dancing in turtle-outfits — and says she likes to see all this human variety from around the world. She believes the app “democratises the flow of information” and “makes space for marginalised communities”. But she offers this praise while walking on a treadmill, speaking in an increasingly frantic voice, and she follows it up with all the rules of how you have to act to be liked, implying that the app only rewards certain types of behaviour and punishes others: turtle-dancing, yes; “fake smoking while covered in fake blood,” no. (I’m glad that content moderation prevents violent videos.) She also does attention-getting things like violently splash her face with water or eating with food hanging out of her mouth — more mukbang. During her final dance number, she pours a pink drink that looks like a strawberry Yoo-hoo over her head.
The play concludes with the artist venting mixed but mostly negative feelings. The attention is nice, Orwin thinks, but other than that, TikTok is “a black hole of nothing”. It’s “mostly people doing the same thing over and over again”, and she is disgusted with herself for participating. She also seems to be disgusted — or at least, negatively impacted — by many of her previous non-online performances. She tells the audience about ones in which she’d asked men to hit her or done other self-destructive or sexually gross things. Talking at the end with her back to the audience, she says she’s tired of “the precarious way I earn a living”, “the constant checking and rechecking”, the “dystopia”, and “making work in a system that’s broken”. She wonders why she’s doing it, and if she should have planned for her future or gotten a real job instead.
Yet what Orwin portrays goes so far beyond what the generally young, female user base of TikTok is like. I was insulted that a grown woman would put on an act that mocks young girls in the name of spotlighting their supposed misery. Orwin is a performance artist, exaggerating to make an effect, but the baby voices and the determination to humiliate herself seemed more about her than about most of us. If someone on TikTok says they’re “just waiting for a few more people to join”, it’s because they’re legitimately waiting. Sometimes people do rage-bait — act obnoxious to get attention — but the influencers who are famous and making money aren’t the ones doing that. They’re usually offering positive messages and running real businesses.
I also thought maybe that Orwin was on the app for the wrong reasons. She went there because she was “fame hungry”, and all she cared about was getting followers. And she searched out the weird live content from around the world because that was her personal preference. I sometimes see that kind of content advertised in my feed, but I don’t watch them. My followers are mostly my friends, and I don’t obsess about getting more of them from among the strangers online. I use TikTok as a side tool in life; it’s meant to be fun. I capture fun moments with friends in nice outfits, take clips of interesting city views, and follow fashion, health, and beauty content. I didn’t mind deleting the app because as long as everyone was off of it, I wasn’t missing anything.
Many young women have mental-health problems, to be sure, but those result from all kinds of social and personal factors, not just TikTok. Some people might act foolish and inappropriate (especially when they have an audience of one to five people, who are probably just bots), and that isn’t good for them. But it’s also a mistake on that person’s part, not solely the fault of the app. Orwin herself is a good example, because she tells us she has been making disturbing and self-harming work long before TikTok existed.
I don’t know what danger the Chinese ownership of the app truly presents to kids, but I do think it’s dangerous to condemn something you don’t know much about, or whose positive attributes you’re unable to see. I stay mentally healthy despite the stress of the junior year of high school by getting a lot of exercise, eating real food, and spending time with my friends. Orwin poured soda into her Stanley, mocking a teen-girl cliché. I carry a Stanley everywhere, I admit, because I go from school to sports practice, and I get headaches when I’m dehydrated. Mine is always full of water enhanced with Liquid IV electrolyte powder, which is good at preventing them. It really works — I learned about it on TikTok.
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SubscribeI am one of legions of women who had to have a bilateral mastectomy as the result of cancer. This glib rendering of that procedure as a “fashion statement” trivializes what every one of us had to go through to save our lives. It’s abhorrent.
For sure.. and well done you for sharing..
I think the same thing every time I see a picture of some smiling child proudly displaying her scars. The insensitivity is simply astounding.
For sure.. and well done you for sharing..
I think the same thing every time I see a picture of some smiling child proudly displaying her scars. The insensitivity is simply astounding.
I am one of legions of women who had to have a bilateral mastectomy as the result of cancer. This glib rendering of that procedure as a “fashion statement” trivializes what every one of us had to go through to save our lives. It’s abhorrent.
I buy a Costa flat white every day. Or I did. Caffe Nero here I come … Until they do something equally dumb.
It’s the phoniness I can’t stand as much as the stupidity and misogyny.
A quick Google….and Nero seems normal. Well more normal than Costa. Happy to boycott….and I have a loyalty card. Had.
The coffee at Nero has always been better
Agreed – Nero is the best of all the chains IMO.
Indeed.
Much stronger, I think?
Agreed – Nero is the best of all the chains IMO.
Indeed.
Much stronger, I think?
The coffee at Nero has always been better
As Costa is a subsidiary of Coca-Cola it would probably be a good idea to boycott all of their products in favour of non-woke company products.
The trouble is that all these large brand are ultimately owned by a small group of corporations who all have shareholdings in each other
I tried boycotting Gillette only to find that they owned Wilkinson Sword and Harrys. I am now using Aldi own brand
Worth going to DE shaving: far, far cheaper and better results, with practice. Also easy to avoid Gillette if you want to…
Jeremy’s I think is a conservative brand
Worth going to DE shaving: far, far cheaper and better results, with practice. Also easy to avoid Gillette if you want to…
Jeremy’s I think is a conservative brand
Moreover, Coca Cola told its employees to be less White, which strengthens your point.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/coca-cola-diversity-training-urged-workers-to-be-less-white/
Yes
Costa was started by two brothers, I used to go to their first café near Victoria Station in London regularly in the early 80s and often chatted with Bruno Costa.
Now they are just another conglomerate brand, through Whitbread and now Coca-Cola have hitherto been efficient managers. But this is an own goal, yet another tone-deaf bit of pandering and sucking-up to a dangerous cult. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Disagree about Nero’s coffee being better, though.
The trouble is that all these large brand are ultimately owned by a small group of corporations who all have shareholdings in each other
I tried boycotting Gillette only to find that they owned Wilkinson Sword and Harrys. I am now using Aldi own brand
Moreover, Coca Cola told its employees to be less White, which strengthens your point.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/coca-cola-diversity-training-urged-workers-to-be-less-white/
Yes
Costa was started by two brothers, I used to go to their first café near Victoria Station in London regularly in the early 80s and often chatted with Bruno Costa.
Now they are just another conglomerate brand, through Whitbread and now Coca-Cola have hitherto been efficient managers. But this is an own goal, yet another tone-deaf bit of pandering and sucking-up to a dangerous cult. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Disagree about Nero’s coffee being better, though.
A quick Google….and Nero seems normal. Well more normal than Costa. Happy to boycott….and I have a loyalty card. Had.
As Costa is a subsidiary of Coca-Cola it would probably be a good idea to boycott all of their products in favour of non-woke company products.
I buy a Costa flat white every day. Or I did. Caffe Nero here I come … Until they do something equally dumb.
It’s the phoniness I can’t stand as much as the stupidity and misogyny.
Finally a company I can boycott for their trans nonsense.
I couldn’t boycott Bud Light, for obvious reasons, but I used to shop in Costa.
It could just as easily be a male who has undergone gynecomastia surgery.
Nice of Costa to recognize these people and be inclusive.
Come on, it’s got woke smurf hair.
It all fits. Too much female hormone causing both conditions.
And why does it half the girl hair? If the person wants to be boy? Nothing makes sense with them.
It all fits. Too much female hormone causing both conditions.
And why does it half the girl hair? If the person wants to be boy? Nothing makes sense with them.
Thanks for your contribution.. only for a nice new word though. I’d no idea coffee could be taken through the genitals! ..I did know coke can be taken through the nose however! Its getting harder for us crumblies to keep up!
Come on, it’s got woke smurf hair.
Thanks for your contribution.. only for a nice new word though. I’d no idea coffee could be taken through the genitals! ..I did know coke can be taken through the nose however! Its getting harder for us crumblies to keep up!
It could just as easily be a male who has undergone gynecomastia surgery.
Nice of Costa to recognize these people and be inclusive.
Finally a company I can boycott for their trans nonsense.
I couldn’t boycott Bud Light, for obvious reasons, but I used to shop in Costa.
I don’t think people understand the truly profound medical consequences of gender affirming surgery. People who undertake this extreme measure will suffer a lifetime of pain, medicalization and almost always follow-up surgery. That it would be performed on children is borderline deranged.
Mastectomies and breast augmentation are well known to surgeons. These would likely be the least consequential of the procedures, but even these carry tremendous risk.
Bottom surgery is almost an invitation to pain and suffering. I think the avg patient will have to get something like three follow-up surgeries to address issues caused by the initial intervention.
“That it would be performed on children is borderline deranged.”
I question your use of the word “borderline”.
I apologise in advance for this.
The most harrowing thing I have read about “bottom surgery” (I believe it was in an UnHerd article) was the account of a guy who had vaginoplasty yet still experienced twitching in the stump of what was left of his p***s.
It must be a living nightmare after having surgery that he thought would make him a woman, only to be reminded whenever he gets aroused that he’s just a mutilated man.
Surely that must be his new clit¤r¡s ‘acting up’?
Yup. A broken ‘bonus hole’.
Yup. A broken ‘bonus hole’.
Sex ed in schools should make reading a detransitioners accounts mandatory. Don’t forget the never ending dribble of urine or the fact that it takes him 10 minutes to have a piss because nothing down there works.
Surely that must be his new clit¤r¡s ‘acting up’?
Sex ed in schools should make reading a detransitioners accounts mandatory. Don’t forget the never ending dribble of urine or the fact that it takes him 10 minutes to have a piss because nothing down there works.
It is simply child abuse for profit (esp in USA medical circles) and for some bizarre form of gratification.
“That it would be performed on children is borderline deranged.”
I question your use of the word “borderline”.
I apologise in advance for this.
The most harrowing thing I have read about “bottom surgery” (I believe it was in an UnHerd article) was the account of a guy who had vaginoplasty yet still experienced twitching in the stump of what was left of his p***s.
It must be a living nightmare after having surgery that he thought would make him a woman, only to be reminded whenever he gets aroused that he’s just a mutilated man.
It is simply child abuse for profit (esp in USA medical circles) and for some bizarre form of gratification.
I don’t think people understand the truly profound medical consequences of gender affirming surgery. People who undertake this extreme measure will suffer a lifetime of pain, medicalization and almost always follow-up surgery. That it would be performed on children is borderline deranged.
Mastectomies and breast augmentation are well known to surgeons. These would likely be the least consequential of the procedures, but even these carry tremendous risk.
Bottom surgery is almost an invitation to pain and suffering. I think the avg patient will have to get something like three follow-up surgeries to address issues caused by the initial intervention.
Shameless misogyny, beautifully identified and bravely shared – thanks Joan, absolutely spot on. RIP, Costa!
Shameless misogyny, beautifully identified and bravely shared – thanks Joan, absolutely spot on. RIP, Costa!
When somebody proposes to carry out a double mastectomy on a girl, are we supposed to say ‘Maaate’ or are we supposed to say ‘Go on!, Get in there son!’
Great question, let’s ask Sadiq Khan.
Great question, let’s ask Sadiq Khan.
When somebody proposes to carry out a double mastectomy on a girl, are we supposed to say ‘Maaate’ or are we supposed to say ‘Go on!, Get in there son!’
Gender Ideology shows how Liberal doctrine is capable of brainwashing people into doing harm no less than the Stalinist and Fascist doctrines of old.
Woke is surely pseudo-liberal rather than liberal?
The Soviets had Lysenkoism, they killed scientists who argued against it, its no surprise that trannys are now killing people
Woke is surely pseudo-liberal rather than liberal?
The Soviets had Lysenkoism, they killed scientists who argued against it, its no surprise that trannys are now killing people
Gender Ideology shows how Liberal doctrine is capable of brainwashing people into doing harm no less than the Stalinist and Fascist doctrines of old.
This is unbelievable! How utterly insulting to women who have neededto go through this procedure for health reasons.
I will never drink a Costa coffee again, and will encourage anyone I meet to do likewise.
The fact that this is obviously accepted at the highest level makes you wonder if these people understand the purpose of business at all. The idiot who provided the company response is a disgrace to humanity.
Hopefully the company will sink without trace.
This is unbelievable! How utterly insulting to women who have neededto go through this procedure for health reasons.
I will never drink a Costa coffee again, and will encourage anyone I meet to do likewise.
The fact that this is obviously accepted at the highest level makes you wonder if these people understand the purpose of business at all. The idiot who provided the company response is a disgrace to humanity.
Hopefully the company will sink without trace.
Horrific image. Per Cass and study after study in country after country, most kids claiming dysphoria actually have depression, autism, or repressed homosexuality and with suitable care will get better without transitioning to a lifetime of sterility, loss of sexual function, and chronic ill-health.
But, to state the obvious, they obviously thought it would play well with their mostly younger metropolitan clientele.
They could actually be right about that.
The sheer brain dead moral degeneracy and degradation of so many of the self-identified progressive community is quite a thing. Nothing has changed since Orwell wrote about these types.
A comparison with Q Anon is instructive.
Q is a fantasy of democrat child abuse that enables its adherents to believe in their own virtue and licences violence on their behalf. That’s the point.
The ‘Let Trans kids be themselves’ narrative of Trans ideology does exactly the same for progressives. That’s the point.
In fairness to Q Anon the kids in that case don’t exist at all.
Here they do – the child abuse is real. Not even Q Anon go that far. But these people celebrate their depravity. Mutilated kids to make yourself feel virtuous and flog coffee. How sick can you be?
These progressives despise the tribal idiocy and amorality of the populist right. But honestly, they are worse. More stupid. More depraved.
But wasn’t Q Anon spot on?
Are not the Democrats championing child abuse that enables its adherents to believe in their own virtue and licences violence on their behalf
But wasn’t Q Anon spot on?
Are not the Democrats championing child abuse that enables its adherents to believe in their own virtue and licences violence on their behalf
Horrific image. Per Cass and study after study in country after country, most kids claiming dysphoria actually have depression, autism, or repressed homosexuality and with suitable care will get better without transitioning to a lifetime of sterility, loss of sexual function, and chronic ill-health.
But, to state the obvious, they obviously thought it would play well with their mostly younger metropolitan clientele.
They could actually be right about that.
The sheer brain dead moral degeneracy and degradation of so many of the self-identified progressive community is quite a thing. Nothing has changed since Orwell wrote about these types.
A comparison with Q Anon is instructive.
Q is a fantasy of democrat child abuse that enables its adherents to believe in their own virtue and licences violence on their behalf. That’s the point.
The ‘Let Trans kids be themselves’ narrative of Trans ideology does exactly the same for progressives. That’s the point.
In fairness to Q Anon the kids in that case don’t exist at all.
Here they do – the child abuse is real. Not even Q Anon go that far. But these people celebrate their depravity. Mutilated kids to make yourself feel virtuous and flog coffee. How sick can you be?
These progressives despise the tribal idiocy and amorality of the populist right. But honestly, they are worse. More stupid. More depraved.
Great article on a truly despicable piece of wokeist corporate madness.
Great article on a truly despicable piece of wokeist corporate madness.
Not many posters of men with genitals removed- wonder why ? Is the Costa Board all men ?
Nice one, Willie!
(so to speak)
Nice one, Willie!
(so to speak)
Not many posters of men with genitals removed- wonder why ? Is the Costa Board all men ?
The ‘born in the wrong body’ trope is specious. But what happens when an outward approximation of the desired body is embarked upon? Has anyone ever come across a trans man to woman who is in a regular hetero seeming relationship with a straight man? Or the converse. Is this really a recipe for a successful and fulfilled life for young people? Don’t most young healthy people want to have plenty of sex and some of them babies too? From what I have heard of many trans people their sexual function is seriously compromised by puberty blockers, meds and operations. They are the victims of Mengele type experimentation by weird and often perverted adults.
Hence the neologism “transmengele”
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=transmengele
Hence the neologism “transmengele”
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=transmengele
The ‘born in the wrong body’ trope is specious. But what happens when an outward approximation of the desired body is embarked upon? Has anyone ever come across a trans man to woman who is in a regular hetero seeming relationship with a straight man? Or the converse. Is this really a recipe for a successful and fulfilled life for young people? Don’t most young healthy people want to have plenty of sex and some of them babies too? From what I have heard of many trans people their sexual function is seriously compromised by puberty blockers, meds and operations. They are the victims of Mengele type experimentation by weird and often perverted adults.
Quite a number of companies are confident that they can abuse many of their customers and still remain viable. And it may be true. If so, then why? Do they switch to other ways of making money such as selling customer information or other such stuff to big data companies? Is their nominal product just a lure?
I can understand that companies that operate hand-in-glove with government, such as regulated industries or non-profits (Quangos to you British?) could do this: they are protected from competition in return for supporting the government or, dare I suggest it, slipping a little cash to the campaign funds of important politicians. But companies not entirely immune to market forces? How do they do it? What do they sell? Whom do they sell it to?
As I said in the my cancelled comment, I think this is a win win for them. Very few people will know what we are talking about or what the picture means (and won’t believe it when told), so they accrue #bekind points while advertising their brand at next to no cost to them.
There are many huge corporations who are willing to take a little dent in profits if they can be in a position to socially engineer the next generation of consumers. It’s a form of grooming.
As I said in the my cancelled comment, I think this is a win win for them. Very few people will know what we are talking about or what the picture means (and won’t believe it when told), so they accrue #bekind points while advertising their brand at next to no cost to them.
There are many huge corporations who are willing to take a little dent in profits if they can be in a position to socially engineer the next generation of consumers. It’s a form of grooming.
Quite a number of companies are confident that they can abuse many of their customers and still remain viable. And it may be true. If so, then why? Do they switch to other ways of making money such as selling customer information or other such stuff to big data companies? Is their nominal product just a lure?
I can understand that companies that operate hand-in-glove with government, such as regulated industries or non-profits (Quangos to you British?) could do this: they are protected from competition in return for supporting the government or, dare I suggest it, slipping a little cash to the campaign funds of important politicians. But companies not entirely immune to market forces? How do they do it? What do they sell? Whom do they sell it to?
“We want everyone that interacts with us to experience the inclusive environment that we create, to encourage people to feel welcomed, free and unashamedly proud to be themselves,”
Unless, of course, you are a white, Christian, European descended, conservative male!!
“We want everyone that interacts with us to experience the inclusive environment that we create, to encourage people to feel welcomed, free and unashamedly proud to be themselves,”
Unless, of course, you are a white, Christian, European descended, conservative male!!
This is pinch-yourself unbelievable. How in the name of sanity is self-harm being touted as fashion?
This is pinch-yourself unbelievable. How in the name of sanity is self-harm being touted as fashion?
Is anything known about the surgeons who carry out these mastectomies for transmen? Do other surgeons think they’re breaking the Hippocratic Oath? If so, we don’t hear from them.
There are surgeons in the USA who boast on social media of their “top” surgery and put up photos of them and their customers. They are customers as it is all private medicine. Never is it called double mastectomy because that is what happens when a woman (or a man) gets breast cancer. Instead it is the cutsie term top surgery like it is not a major procedure which could go very wrong to the point of being life threatening.
There are surgeons in the USA who boast on social media of their “top” surgery and put up photos of them and their customers. They are customers as it is all private medicine. Never is it called double mastectomy because that is what happens when a woman (or a man) gets breast cancer. Instead it is the cutsie term top surgery like it is not a major procedure which could go very wrong to the point of being life threatening.
Is anything known about the surgeons who carry out these mastectomies for transmen? Do other surgeons think they’re breaking the Hippocratic Oath? If so, we don’t hear from them.
Before a double mastectomy these children (not always children but often) have been binding their breasts for months or years causing permanent tissue damage, bruised and damaged ribs and localised chest pain. They then move onto the double mastectomy which is irreversible. To quote abigail shrier in her book Irreversible Damage : “according to Dr, Lappert, eliminating biological capacities merely for the sake of aesthetics is wrong and – in virtually all other areas of medicine – strictly verboten.” “There is no other cosmetic operation where it is considered morally acceptable to destroy a human function.” (Ie a young girl gives up the future possibility of breast feeding). I quote again from Abigail Shrier : “ the procedure comes with risk of infection, seroma, pain, bleeding, oozing, skin flaps, and nipples that resemble cooked hamburger meat.” There is also loss of sexual function.
Has Costa lost its mind? How is this advertising even remotely acceptable?
I always thought Bud Lite was swill and Costa coffee was simply not coffee but brown river mud – AFTER one of our charming water companies had opened the overflow gates.
Before a double mastectomy these children (not always children but often) have been binding their breasts for months or years causing permanent tissue damage, bruised and damaged ribs and localised chest pain. They then move onto the double mastectomy which is irreversible. To quote abigail shrier in her book Irreversible Damage : “according to Dr, Lappert, eliminating biological capacities merely for the sake of aesthetics is wrong and – in virtually all other areas of medicine – strictly verboten.” “There is no other cosmetic operation where it is considered morally acceptable to destroy a human function.” (Ie a young girl gives up the future possibility of breast feeding). I quote again from Abigail Shrier : “ the procedure comes with risk of infection, seroma, pain, bleeding, oozing, skin flaps, and nipples that resemble cooked hamburger meat.” There is also loss of sexual function.
Has Costa lost its mind? How is this advertising even remotely acceptable?
I always thought Bud Lite was swill and Costa coffee was simply not coffee but brown river mud – AFTER one of our charming water companies had opened the overflow gates.
At least 6 comments are missing, including 2 of mine.
I think that is because the comment with the downvotes has been taken down (why????) and that says nothing good about unHerd.
Now reappeared.
Now reappeared.
At least 6 comments are missing, including 2 of mine.
I think that is because the comment with the downvotes has been taken down (why????) and that says nothing good about unHerd.
Do these companies have a marketing strategy? Are there adults in the room when decisions are made? Did a straw poll of colleagues, family and friends and all they saw was a “celebration” of breast cancer on a man. Why would anyone want to give their hard earned cash to a company celebrating cancer? Their shareholders will be proud…
Which is worse: no senior manager signing it off, or a senior manager indeed signing it off?
Which is worse: no senior manager signing it off, or a senior manager indeed signing it off?
Do these companies have a marketing strategy? Are there adults in the room when decisions are made? Did a straw poll of colleagues, family and friends and all they saw was a “celebration” of breast cancer on a man. Why would anyone want to give their hard earned cash to a company celebrating cancer? Their shareholders will be proud…
Move your pension to a SIPP and take out everything that has any connection to DEI or ESG. You’ll wind up richer too.
Move your pension to a SIPP and take out everything that has any connection to DEI or ESG. You’ll wind up richer too.
The title says “…Insult to Women” – can we define “Women” even?
Yes. Adult human female.
Yes. Adult human female.
The title says “…Insult to Women” – can we define “Women” even?
Whenever I go into Costas or Starbucks, a quick count shows that women outnumber men by about 2 to 1.
So if this stuff is really insulting to women, a boycot for a week will result in a quick re-think.
But that won’t happen because the whole thing will be invisible to most people. Only thinkers, writers or women who have a lot of spare time will even notice the ad, let alone think about it. Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?
I don’t know why you have received a lot of downvotes. My guess is that you are right and this protest will not take off the way the Bud Light protest did because the average Costa customer will not take on board the undesirability if promoting such mastectomies. Hopefully I am wrong and such hollow virtue signalling will be punished.
By the way I don’t think the writer is being over sensitive even if it is not picked up on in the way the Bud Lite advert was.
You’ve identified why the downvotes were received.
The issue is certainly with the last sentence “Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?”
which is something to pick on indeed.
You’ve identified why the downvotes were received.
The issue is certainly with the last sentence “Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?”
which is something to pick on indeed.
No Caradog – the add is disgusting.
“Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?”
No.
I think you are right and that most people won’t pick on the real meaning of the cartoon, while the company can bathe in the soothing balm of “inclusivity”.
Still, one has to point out the absurdity.
Are you basically saying only women with too much time on their hands will have an opinion? How misogynistic can you be in one comment. I have an extremely busy life and most of that is advocating for equality and the human rights of vulnerable people. I see reading and commenting on these articles as an extension of my work. Get over yourself.
You are probably correct since this whole boycott biz didn’t take off until men got involved.
I don’t know why you have received a lot of downvotes. My guess is that you are right and this protest will not take off the way the Bud Light protest did because the average Costa customer will not take on board the undesirability if promoting such mastectomies. Hopefully I am wrong and such hollow virtue signalling will be punished.
By the way I don’t think the writer is being over sensitive even if it is not picked up on in the way the Bud Lite advert was.
No Caradog – the add is disgusting.
“Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?”
No.
I think you are right and that most people won’t pick on the real meaning of the cartoon, while the company can bathe in the soothing balm of “inclusivity”.
Still, one has to point out the absurdity.
Are you basically saying only women with too much time on their hands will have an opinion? How misogynistic can you be in one comment. I have an extremely busy life and most of that is advocating for equality and the human rights of vulnerable people. I see reading and commenting on these articles as an extension of my work. Get over yourself.
You are probably correct since this whole boycott biz didn’t take off until men got involved.
Whenever I go into Costas or Starbucks, a quick count shows that women outnumber men by about 2 to 1.
So if this stuff is really insulting to women, a boycot for a week will result in a quick re-think.
But that won’t happen because the whole thing will be invisible to most people. Only thinkers, writers or women who have a lot of spare time will even notice the ad, let alone think about it. Are we being a little oversensitive here – perhaps looking for something to pick on?