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The West still doesn’t understand Iraq 2025 will be even worse

There are things worse than tyranny. Sean Smith/Getty Images.

There are things worse than tyranny. Sean Smith/Getty Images.


January 3, 2025   9 mins

Last year was, on balance, a miserable one for the world. And while only a fool attempts to predict the future in geopolitics, I am firm in the conviction that 2025 will be worse.

If 2024 was depressing, it was also instructive, in the Middle East at any rate. There, we saw the deepening of a trend which I suspect will come to characterise 2025 even more strongly: the shattering of political and policy beliefs so long and dearly held that they have amounted to orthodoxies. For the smart politician or state, this allows for sparks of opportunity amid the gloom.

Towards the end of the year, I was in Erbil, the capital of Kurdistan in Northern Iraq, discussing the supposedly imminent withdrawal of coalition troops from the country. Under Operation Inherent Resolve, Washington keeps 2,500 troops in Iraq and 900 in Syria, where the UK has 1,000-1,200 and 150-200 respectively. Their job is to work alongside local partners, like the Kurdish Peshmerga and the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), to prevent a resurgence of the terror group ISIS. Coalition forces also fill critical gaps in Iraqi security.

But Iran, which dominates Iraq through its proxy Shia militia groups, has long wanted us out. In September, the US and Iraq agreed to conclude the formal coalition mission by September 2025, though some troops will remain in advisory roles. The first phase of withdrawal has already begun. A final withdrawal means that Iraq will fall almost completely into Tehran’s grip. My interlocutor was Kurdish and, unsurprisingly, this worries him — as it does millions of Sunnis.

There are, you see, many Iraqis who not only have no problem with Western intervention in their country, but don’t want it to end.

But I was surprised later when a Sunni Arab friend told me that many Iraqis love Trump because, in January 2020, he whacked Qasem Soleimani, the leader of Iran’s Quds Force and the man responsible for so much violence in their country. No matter that Trump brought in a so-called “Muslim ban”, his Western “intervention” in Iraq was more palatable to a section of its people than Iran’s far more localised — and constant — meddling.

This speaks to a broader, unignorable truth: the reality on the ground in the Middle East is often not just merely different to what we read, believe or are told in Oxbridge Area Studies departments, but entirely at odds with it; as is our relationship to the region, and how that is often received by the people there. This put me in mind of the great historian and Middle East scholar Elie Kedourie, an Iraqi Jew who ended up a professor at the LSE in London (and who was also married to my mother’s cousin).

Kedourie, who passed away in 1992, was famous for many books but what stands out is his genuinely iconoclastic 1970 work The Chatham House Version: and Other Middle-Eastern Studies. I still remember reading it for the first time, and being struck not only by its percipience and extraordinary breadth of knowledge, but its literary style; and written in his third language (after Arabic and French, too). It is a forensic dismantling of the “Chatham House” — the informal name for the Royal Institute of International Affairs think tank — analysis of the Middle East. For Kedourie, Chatham House stands as shorthand for an elite British view of the Middle East (and the Arabs in particular) that he argues is based around a mix of sentimentality, guilt, and self-flagellation brought together by a guiding tendency to favour romantic illusion over prosaic reality.

Kedourie was most scathing about the effect of this approach in his homeland of Iraq. He watched the British scuttle out of there, and indeed the region, during the end of empire, and let chaos ensue — and he damned them for it.

“He watched the British scuttle out of there, and indeed the region, during the end of empire, and chaos ensue — and he damned them for it.”

According to Kedourie, “The British left behind a region whose political, social, and economic structures were inadequate to sustain the independence they had promised and which they had uncritically imposed.” Add “Americans” alongside “British” and you’ll recognise not only the timeless wisdom of his words, but also the West’s ability to make the same mistakes, timelessly.

The 2003 invasion of Iraq was a historic mistake. We should not have done it. But we did, and in so doing we removed a brutal and sadistic dictator, but one who nevertheless kept chaos at bay. Chaos that, lest we forget, is built into the Iraqi state, carved illogically from three Ottoman provinces, and filled with a toxic mix of Sunnis, Shias and Kurds. Iraq was constructed (by us and the French no less) as if it were designed to be a sectarian tinderbox; and once Saddam’s controlling authority was gone, that tinderbox erupted. Last year, on the 20th anniversary of the invasion, I reported for UnHerd from Baghdad where my fixer Ammar told me something that has lodged, ineradicably, in my mind ever since. “We had so much hope in the beginning,” he said. “Then the country turned to a path of blood, and then people started to want Saddam back to keep order. Even with all the misery he brought.”

And it’s not just Iraq where coalition troops are indispensable, but Syria too. There, they are concentrated mainly in the northeast and comprise a limited but strategic presence focused on counterterrorism, military partnerships with the Kurds, who control an autonomous region in parts of the north and east, and containing Russian and Iranian influence.

Following the fall of Assad — and was not the rapid fall of this supposedly immovable dictator yet another orthodoxy shattered — we hope that Syria is moving toward effective self-governance. But make no mistake, coalition troops are still needed there. The Turkish-backed Syrian National Army is already skirmishing with Kurdish forces, primarily the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), who are allied with Washington in the fight against Islamic State, but which Turkey views as a threat due to their links to Kurdish groups it views as terrorists. My Kurdish friends are understandably worried. Without US forces on the ground, who knows what the SNA will do.

The situation is made worse through the presence of the terror group Islamic State (IS). Over the first half of 2024 IS claimed responsibility for 153 attacks in Iraq and Syria (almost more than double the total number of attacks claimed in 2023). In that time, US forces along with the Iraqi security forces and the SDF have conducted 196 missions, killed 44 IS operatives and detained 166. According to US CentCom, “these leaders include those responsible for planning of operations outside of Syria and Iraq, recruiting, training and weapons smuggling”.

The Kurds also control Al-Hol Camp, where 10,000 to 12,000 imprisoned jihadist fighters and former IS members are imprisoned (the camp houses around 50,000 to 60,000 people, including family members of IS fighters, one of whom is Shamima Begum). If the Kurds come under sustained SNA attack, they will no longer be able to effectively control the camp, and thousands of Jihadis could go free. These are not just issues of Syrian and Iraqi security, but our own too. And finally, there is the problem of Russia and Iran. Both regimes are now under huge pressure at home and abroad, and they will grasp any opportunity to claim any sort of victory — Iraq and Syria offer them a chance.

We have a responsibility to the people of Iraq whose country we invaded, destroyed and now want to hand over to Iran. We have a responsibility to the people of Syria too, especially the Kurds, who fought with us to defeat IS. If we flee (again), we will abandon the region to chaos: just as Kedourie shows we did over half a century ago. Both US and UK diplomats have admitted to me over recent years the shame and awkwardness they feel because of the failed invasion. They are right to feel ashamed, but it is dangerous madness to leave Iraq, above all for the Iraqis we profess to care about so much.

So, why have we promised that we will? For the same reasons Kedourie identified over half a century ago: loss of nerve born from a failure of confidence. We fear being called occupiers or imperialists while the Iranians and Russians are shamelessly trying to rebuild the empires they have lost. Then there is Turkish President Recep Erdoğan’s drive across Syria, which is led by several geopolitical considerations but also the more far amorphous vision of rebuilding the Ottoman Empire there.

In the name of anti-imperialism, we would hand these countries over to the worst imperialists of our day.

Action can indeed be disastrous, but so can inaction. We invaded Iraq in 2003, and it brought chaos and bloodshed to Iraqis. But in 2011, Barack Obama, haunted by Iraq’s legacy, refused to enforce his own red line and punish Bashar al-Assad for gassing his own people. He failed to act, and it brought chaos and bloodshed to Syrians.

And if we do cut and run, who suffers most in the countries we abandon? Again, we turn to Kedourie who, as a Jew, was always sensitive to the treatment of minorities (that supposedly sacred group in contemporary Western policy-making). He was just 15 when he witnessed, along with most of my maternal family, the June 1941 pogrom known as the Farhud (“Looting”) in which officers of the state murdered over 180 Jewish men, woman children. For Kedourie, two lessons emerge, not just from the Farhud but post-imperial Iraq. The first is that living as a minority under the cosmopolitan Ottoman empire was preferable to a Sunni Iraq, increasingly gripped by notions of nationalism it had imported from the West, but which lacked the institutions and traditions to fully understand or implement. The second, was that, as the author Robert Kaplan has observed, Kedourie understood that Empire provided the kind of Hobbesian Leviathan needed to control a Middle East gripped by incessant turmoil and violence (which he exhaustively detailed in his work) and protect the weak from the strong.

Now I am emphatically not suggesting that the coalition remain in Iraq (nor to a far lesser extent Syria) to act as Leviathan. But when the US crowbarred itself in that role for close to two decades to suddenly abandon Iraq, not to its own people but to the far less palatable Leviathan next door, is not merely inadvisable, it is inexcusable.

All this is so obvious that mere loss of confidence seems inadequate to explain it. In fact, it is compounded by something else that Kedourie identified in the British foreign policy establishment: a deep strain of orientalist fascination with, and fetishisation of, Arab culture (how else to explain its indulgence of that bloviating fraud T.E. Lawrence). This is then compounded by guilt: at the problems caused by their drawing of post-imperial borders and, perhaps above all, the foundation of the state of Israel. Simply put, British officials believed that the Arabs, once freed from the twin evils of Zionism and imperialism, would naturally establish peaceful, stable governments, without recognising the challenges posed by centuries of division and conflict. Once again, add “Americans” to “British” and this book, which was written over half a century ago, could have been written this morning.

Kedourie understood that this was nonsense; he understood that what followed the end of empires was not a halcyon age of “authentic” liberation but often corrupt governance and mass violence; he understood, also, that it is only a “fashionable western sentimentality which holds that Great Powers are nasty and small Powers virtuous”. This phrase should be cast in bronze to hang over the desk of every FCDO and State Department official, and of every foreign news editor. Any temptation to view it as simplistic or exaggerated is swiftly disabused with consideration of the behaviour of many Global South countries towards Russia’s attempted colonisation of Ukraine. Being colonised a century ago may give you an insight into that particular form of suffering, but it clearly doesn’t extend to empathy for countries undergoing similar threats today, and it absolutely does not endow you with any superior ability to analyse contemporary geopolitics.

But most of all Kedourie understood the problem was not Zionism but, as Kaplan observes, that “the Ottoman Empire with its caliphate crumbled, leaving an Islamic civilisation without a recognised religious authority. The result was various groups and factions and ideologies that competed for which one could be the most pure; that is, the most extreme. Today’s problems are old problems, going back to the decades of Ottoman decline, with the realisation that the Middle East, from Algeria to Iraq, has still not found a solution to the final collapse of the Turkish sultanate in 1922.”

Still, though, it was Zionism, or more correctly the State of Israel, which supposedly sat and sits at the centre of orthodox Middle East analysis and reporting today as a source of all instability — a font of original sin in a region that, without its cancerous presence, would surely exist as an oasis of tranquillity. It is notable that directly challenging this orthodoxy has led to the greatest regional breakthrough of the last decade in the region, the 2020 Abraham Accords. That the series of normalisation agreements between Israel and several Arab states were brokered by Donald Trump is extraordinary but perhaps also inescapable.

Only a man so divorced from the Western foreign policy establishment could go so directly against one of its guiding principles, as articulated by then-US secretary of State John Kerry in 2013. “I will tell you that peace between Israel and the Arab world is impossible without a Palestinian peace,” he said. “It’s not going to happen. You’re not going to get it.”

“Only a man so divorced from the Western foreign policy establishment could go so directly against one of its guiding principles”

After Hamas committed the October 7 atrocities — which occurred just weeks after another star of the DC foreign policy establishment, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, declared that the Middle East is “quieter than it has been for decades” — Israel launched its war in Gaza. It then launched its war in Lebanon and took out the leaders of both Hamas and Lebanon, while also striking Iran directly for the first time. At each stage the world (most importantly the Americans) told Israel to stop. They told it to make peace. They told it that an extended war would be bad for everyone; and that it would strengthen Hamas. They said, going into Lebanon would be a bloody disaster (as would going to Rafah, where in fact the IDF managed to kill Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar); and that Iranian missiles could destroy large parts of its territory. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ignored them on every occasion.

I make no moral judgment on each of these actions, merely on their efficacy, which as of now, is proven. And Netanyahu was able to accomplish everything he has for a variety of reasons (not least that he wants to put off the post-war enquiries over October 7) but above all because he understands that the Middle East that matters is not that the one that triggers undergraduate protestors, or makes the hard Left go misty-eyed, or the one that aging Foreign Office or State Department mandarins fondly imagine.

And in this he follows Kedourie, whose work remains priceless not just because he was intellectually brilliant, but because he understood that what matters is not ideology or politics, but the reality on the ground, viewed without sentiment or, as far as possible, bias. He understood that history is not about ideology but about facts and evidence —as are the highest forms of reporting. As 2025 dawns, we can do a lot worse than look forward by looking back over 50 years to one of the greatest works by one of the great Middle East scholars of the 20th century, and use it to help us navigate the many challenges we face today.


David Patrikarakos is UnHerd‘s foreign correspondent. His latest book is War in 140 characters: how social media is reshaping conflict in the 21st century. (Hachette)

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Paul Ten
Paul Ten
3 days ago

Iraq was created by Britain as an entity filled with a toxic mix of Sunnis, Shias and Kurds.’ I thought diversity was always a source of strength. That seems to be the received wisdom now. The King even said so in his Christmas Day address.

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
2 days ago
Reply to  Paul Ten

The more heartily people insist on notions like “diversity is strength,” the more likely it is to be false.
Particularly if “diversity” is redefined as not mere variety, but the elevation of some groups over others.
It then more closely resembles division.

David Yetter
David Yetter
19 hours ago

Whenever someone asserts “diversity is strength”, my reply is always, “Wait, I though it was ignorance that is strength… I guess I was wrong, it’s diversity. But war is still peace and freedom is still slavery, right? And we’ve always been at war with East Asia.”

Last edited 19 hours ago by David Yetter
Thor Albro
Thor Albro
3 days ago

Excellent article and observations. I try to tell my liberal friends that a reason I can deeply admire Trump – while acknowledging his profound character flaws – is that he was the only president in my lifetime to ignore the delusional orthodoxy of “two state solution”. Trump very simplistically, and correctly, noted that Israel was our friend and ally, and the Palestinians were not. Once the Palestinians understood that, they behaved themselves and we had the Abraham Accords and peace.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 days ago

This is an inspired article from someone who clearly has his finger on the pulse of Iraq. Having lived in Iraq for many years one saying that the Arabs had that stuck in my mind was that Saddam was like a man hole cover .. now he’s gone all the s**t over flows into the street.

When we leave, Iraq will implode faster than a core collapse supernova.

Turkey will (according to Erdogan) implement the ‘return of the province of Nineveh’ which includes all of Kurdistan and Northern Iraq. With Syria (which he looks likely to pull off as well… at the moment anyway) he will have accomplished a great ambition. Plus a shed load of oil which he’s been after for a long time.

However, the Iranians, Iranian backed Shia Arabs and the Kurds themselves might have something to say about that and so could begin decades of war and unrest.

So, yes we should stay if only to avoid the tens of millions of refugees from arriving in Europe and causing what could be a civil uprising to end all revolutions.

Alas, I get the feeling from my contacts there that we will be leaving no matter what. After the Ukrainian debacle Western military adventures are over. They keep going badly wrong.

Last edited 3 days ago by UnHerd Reader
Tony Buck
Tony Buck
3 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

The West is bankrupt and will soon melt down.

Facts you choose to ignore.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 days ago
Reply to  Tony Buck

Yes and we probably need a meltdown in order to ‘reset’ our toxically dysfunctional social systems.

We need to get rid of the Human rights acts, the equality and human slavery acts that so hamper our legal and policing systems and rewrite our totally outdated international asylum agreements and get back to a meritocracy etc etc etc.

It won’t happen on its own.

So I agree with you but if 10 million more Muslim refugees make their way to Europe there will be a revolt … that may just force us to sort all it out before actually going bankrupt.

Sean Lothmore
Sean Lothmore
3 days ago

…designed to be a sectarian tinderbox; and once Saddam’s controlling authority was gone, that tinderbox erupted

Another example that convinces me that multicultural societies need either prosperity or authoritarian government to hold together. It probably isn’t a good idea to turn a monoculture into a multiculture without anticipating this.

El Uro
El Uro
3 days ago
Reply to  Sean Lothmore

Since Ancient Rome!

Peter Hill
Peter Hill
2 days ago
Reply to  Sean Lothmore

Remember Yugoslavia and Tito

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 days ago
Reply to  Peter Hill

Under Tito the country was run, not by the various governments, but by the central committee of the party. It became a failed state because the governments had always been fictional and the central committee no longer existed.
Tito adapted to circumstances. Born a Croat, he governed as a Serb. Brilliant man and an example of his kind.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
3 days ago

“We (Britain) have a responsibility…” ?
Britain’s first and foremost responsibility is to the British people. It is not fulfilled by expending British blood and treasure in the Middle East.
Britain should withdraw from any adventures and presence in the area: there is no benefit whatsoever to be gained.

Norfolk Sceptic
Norfolk Sceptic
3 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

If only we had Oil/Gas under the North Sea to exploit.

Emmanuel MARTIN
Emmanuel MARTIN
3 days ago

This is more intelligent than the average ME analysis, but at the same time it is wrong. It starts from the traitorous premise that “the West” owes the rest of the world something. That premise ends up with Rotheram mass rapes.
What can the UK bring to Iraq, at what cost, for what benefit to the UK ?
Western governments should be responsible of the interest of their nations, and any action undertaken by a government that is not untertaken for the benefitt of its nation represents a hijacking of public resources. Advocates of such a move should be labelled as traitors.
I did not see any mention of British interest in the above drivel.

Campbell P
Campbell P
3 days ago

Spot on, Emmanuel. The author himself has failed to appreciate some of the pertinent realities of international power contests and is more than a touch naive – sometimes well and truly mistaken – in some of his observations. Western interference is based on the undeniable fact of US Neocon and Zionist hegemonic enterprises: this has to be the starting point. Kedourie was correct in many ways about the local scene but the arrival of expansionist Zionism (See Herzl) ensured that the poor Arabs never stood a chance. Syria under Assad was the optimal solution which ensured freedoms – especially for women – for minorities impossible under an Islamic theocracy.

El Uro
El Uro
3 days ago
Reply to  Campbell P

“but the arrival of expansionist Zionism (See Herzl) ensured that the poor Arabs never stood a chance” – Really? Poor Arabs?
.
Were you dropped from a table as a child?

Tony Plaskow
Tony Plaskow
3 days ago
Reply to  Campbell P

What ‘hegemonic enterprises’ has Israel undertaken? It has never, ever, started a war so it feels like you might be talking utter nonsense, again. Israel has consistently grown smaller over the decades, giving away land to people who lie about ‘peace’ and keep trying to genocide them. You literally make up things to fit your bias.
The fact you state that Assad was the ‘optimal solution’ seems strange when he killed over 600,000 of his own people, often in barbaric ways. But that is fine as long as women are allowed to drive you’re saying?
Why would Israel even need to be mentioned in your reply to an article about Syria, Iraq, and Turkey primarily – oh yes because you are a rabid antisemite/anti-Israel person where all issues are start with them. Sometimes I forget that.

Campbell P
Campbell P
1 day ago
Reply to  Tony Plaskow

You really should not let excessive partisanship and emotion cloud your thinking or analysis of the facts. You obviously have not read Herzl, Jabotinsky, or even the honest Israelis who acknowledge the aims of Israeli policy. There is nothing antisemitic in pointing out the egregious crimes of Israeli insurgent colonialists from 1948 onwards, all well documented by the Red Cross and even the US State Dept and CIA. Some of my best friends are Jewish but they at least acknowledge the crimes of the Zionists, the Neocons, their various catspaws, and the gullible and ignorant who lap up their propaganda.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 days ago

We have zero responsibility to Iraq or any of the middle east for that matter. We have more MOD civil servants than combat ready troops. We have massive migration changing the demographics of our country. We need to focus on fixing our own problems before caring about Iraqs.

Jacqueline Burns
Jacqueline Burns
3 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

We do owe quite a bit to the Israeli’s who have never punished us for their perfidy in taking on the Mandate for Palestine with the stated aim of turning it back to the Jewish Homeland yet illegally hived of approx. 76% of it to create Transjordan (meant as a British fiefdom) & then allowing the UN to partition the remaining 24% into a Jewish &, yet, another Arab state.
Despite this Israel has stood with Britain & supplied it with much needed medical treatments (over 1/3 of NHS prescribed medicines), & security equipment & information.. And that doesn’t even begin to include the British Jews contribution to this country in very many fields without requiring Britain to teach Jews their own language & culture, provide (genuine) refugees from Europe with houses & benefits (often in excess of what is available to British citizens themselves, provide them with Kosher food in state-run institutions including care homes, hospitals &, even on occasion, in prisons.

Jim C
Jim C
2 hours ago

Is this satire?

leonard o'reilly
leonard o'reilly
3 days ago

“We have a responsibility to the people of [ Iraq and of ] Syria, too…”
“Now I am emphatically not suggesting that the coalition remain in Iraq ( nor to far lesser extent Syria ) to act as Leviathan.”
So what is he suggesting the coalition do then?
It is one thing to provide an analysis of a region which is an absolute dilemma. But to do that and also insist that we should do something, you assume the obligation of saying what that something might be.
I suppose we should just let the Israelis take of care it. They seem more than capable. That doesn’t do much for the Kurds, though, who chances are will be abandoned to their fate yet again, and a fate determined by a NATO member at that.
That’s some coalition, that coalition.

Jacqueline Burns
Jacqueline Burns
3 days ago

No the Kurds are quite friendly towards Israel. They would actually make quite a good team together….along with the Druze.

leonard o'reilly
leonard o'reilly
2 days ago

I only meant that the Israelis will ( as always, with American help ) play the conflicting balance of forces in that region, through military means and by diplomacy, against one another in pursuit of their own interests, meaning their own survival. It has no desire to be a regional hegemon, as such. The Kurds, on the other hand, absent a non-Arab player in the Middle East, are pretty much on their own, and thus at the mercy of Turkey ( at the very least ), who sees them as an obstacle to its own larger ambitions and would prefer to see the Kurds stateless and powerless. I didn’t mean the Israelis would hang them out to dry, only that they couldn’t help them very much.

Tim Cross
Tim Cross
3 days ago

When I was in Baghdad in 2003 a senior Iraqi said to me: “The Americans don’t understand why we hate them, And that is why we hate them. But at least you Brits do understand why!”
Chatham House may well stand as ‘shorthand for an elite British view of the Middle East, based around a mix of sentimentality, guilt, and self-flagellation’, but so does the FCDO – where there is absolutely no confidence in the UK and they choose not to face up to some harsh realities. All choices carry consequences – and many are living with, and dying as a result of, those choices.

Norfolk Sceptic
Norfolk Sceptic
3 days ago
Reply to  Tim Cross

In the Early Eighties, I was told by a colleague, a Turk, in KSA, that the British come in and think they own the place, building roundabouts everywhere, while the Americans, build four way stops, and don’t care who owns the place.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 days ago

We in the West have an obligation to form governments that stop tickling the dragon’s tail of proxy wars and appeasement of terrorists. We have an obligation to expect our elected leaders to watch out for the citizens who give them legitimacy.

Jürg Gassmann
Jürg Gassmann
3 days ago

Patrikarakos identifies the source of the chaos in the Middle East as Western Empires’ meddling, ever since the Empires targeted the Ottoman Empire for break-up (in the same way Russia is now targeted for [further] break-up).
But he then goes on to aver that some meddling is Good (as when it aids those we identify as our friends, for the time being?), whereas other meddling is Bad.
Why not stop meddling altogether – no more military aid, no more sanctions, no more covert actions, no more colour revolutions, no more NGOs, not to anyone.

El Uro
El Uro
3 days ago
Reply to  Jürg Gassmann

Unbelievable! The barbarians are already inside the gates, and you still don’t understand it?

Jürg Gassmann
Jürg Gassmann
2 days ago
Reply to  El Uro

How is that relevant to what I said?

Jim C
Jim C
2 hours ago
Reply to  Jürg Gassmann

It’s not. But you weren’t wildly pro-Israel, so you must be in favour of mass immigration of Islamists into the West. Or something.

Cheryl Benard
Cheryl Benard
3 days ago

Hold on a sec – so we created multiple tinderboxes and non-viable artificially combined entities in other parts of the world for a mix of reasons including economic interest, missionary zeal and hubris. These were only able to remain cohesive in the grip of tyrants. Then we took a stab at removing some of the tyrants, which caused chaos. Then we took some measures to contain the chaos or eliminate its source (ISIS for example) but eventually we pulled out again because those weren’t our countries, it was expensive, and overextension is highly perilous. And the author thinks that the solution is to intervene more? Disagree. The solution seems to be: don’t play games with other cultures in the first place, but since we can’t travel back in time, what we have to do now is backpedal. I believe that is Trump’s position and it was, by the way, the position of the U.S. founding fathers – do not get sucked into the problems of other nations. Trump will, hopefully, focus only on our own national interest and intervene only where it is threatened. To the others we will have to say sorry for all that British colonial meddling and random map-drawing and sorry for our own mistaken meddling in Afghanistan and Iraq, and good luck in your efforts to run your own lives henceforth.

Jürg Gassmann
Jürg Gassmann
1 day ago
Reply to  Cheryl Benard

Oh no! You cannot possibly be referring to George Washington’s farewell address? His warning against permanent alliances, against foreign entanglements?

Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
1 day ago
Reply to  Cheryl Benard

Random map drawing? I think not. Or let’s say, what map would you have drawn at that time?

Jürg Gassmann
Jürg Gassmann
1 day ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

I agree – the map drawing was not random. Across the Middle East and Africa, borders were deliberately drawn to split large ethnic groups so they ended up in different administrative entities (colonies/newly created states), that within each colony or state there was an explosive mix of ethnicities “requiring” the peace-bringing, steadying control of the colonial power. Certain ethnicities, usually minorities, were favoured for the colonial administration. The colonial power exploited the so-created tension and instability, in line with the principle “divide and rule”.
What maps should have been drawn? How about applying the principles President Wilson proclaimed: Let the people decide.

Tony Buck
Tony Buck
3 days ago

Patrikarakos thinks the West is far more powerful than it really is, militarily or in willpower.

He is the sentimentalist.

Emre S
Emre S
3 days ago
Reply to  Tony Buck

Speaking of a sentimentalist – reminds me that Lord Byron fought in the Greek war of independence from the Ottoman Empire. Heavily supported by the British, Greece unexpectedly manages to win this war. This is followed by a failed invasion of Anatolia (Turkey mainland) by the Greeks. After this modern and secular Turkey is founded and a population exchange swaps millions of Muslims and Christians across Greece and Turkey to create homogeneous populations. The British then install a Danish royal family and form a monarchy which manages to last a while.
All this to say, saving Kurdistan would take a lot more than a few thousand troops staying there a few years longer. I can’t imagine another German royal family taking the job as Kings of Kurdistan though.

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Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
1 day ago
Reply to  Tony Buck

And now Unherd’s foreign correspondent? The great Ukraine war monger, whose understanding of both Russia and Ukraine is very limited.

Jim C
Jim C
2 hours ago
Reply to  Tony Buck

No, Patrikarakos is a Zionist. He knows the West can’t bring peace and order to the Muddle East, but he does know the West can destroy any country that looks like it’s a threat to Israel, or turn a blind eye while Israel does it.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 days ago

Iraq, Libya, and Syria. It’s almost as if history repeats itself.

P M
P M
3 days ago

What are the chances of Turkey orchestrating the overthrow of the Egyptian government? It wasn’t that long ago the Muslim Brotherhood ruled. If this happens Turkey holds territory, through proxies, north and south of Israel. It also, potentially unifies Libya under its control, currently I believe Egypt supports one side and Turkey the other. Am I mistaken or has Turkey recently suggested it’s intention to retake Jerusalem (Al Aqsa).

Jonathan Nash
Jonathan Nash
3 days ago

Or we could try to be optimistic, and say that in 2025 the new regime in Syria will establish that country as a peaceful and stable polity, and even that, one way or another, the tyranny in Iran will be overthrown. No harm in hoping for the best.

Emre S
Emre S
3 days ago

Never heard of Kedourie before, but he’s going into my reading list now. Many gems here.

But most of all Kedourie understood the problem was not Zionism but, as Kaplan observes, that “the Ottoman Empire with its caliphate crumbled, leaving an Islamic civilisation without a recognised religious authority.

[…]

The first is that living as a minority under the cosmopolitan Ottoman empire was preferable to a Sunni Iraq […] Kedourie understood that Empire provided the kind of Hobbesian Leviathan needed to control a Middle East gripped by incessant turmoil and violence (which he exhaustively detailed in his work) and protect the weak from the strong.

But…

He watched the British scuttle out of there, and indeed the region, during the end of empire, and let chaos ensue — and he damned them for it.

[…]

Now I am emphatically not suggesting that the coalition remain in Iraq (nor to a far lesser extent Syria) to act as Leviathan. But when the US crowbarred itself in that role for close to two decades to suddenly abandon Iraq, not to its own people but to the far less palatable Leviathan next door, is not merely inadvisable, it is inexcusable.

So what is the idea here then?

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Tony Buck
Tony Buck
3 days ago

Why does Patrikarakos think it’s 1925 ?

David Yetter
David Yetter
18 hours ago
Reply to  Tony Buck

Maybe because the mess in the Middle East still looks a lot like the mess left by the victors in WWI.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
1 day ago

As a veteran of two years in Army PSYOPS in Vietnam, I can appreciate this article to its fullest. or so I think, having read my share of RAND analysis about our involvement there when I was in country.
Similarly, I remember reading a four page analysis one time of our salmon problem here in the Pacific Northwest and thinking it was a waste of my time, because although I then had a good understand of the issue and all the stakeholders involved I could see that this was not a matter that public opinion could solve because hardly anyone else was even going to take the interest that I did. I could see that someone had to bang heads together to get an agreement. The question here is…is it our problem to solve their problems? You don’t have to agree with the excellent writer to appreciate the scope of things he so well explains.
However, I want to direct you to an even greater over arching matter. It’s simply this. Take a look. (I don’t know why my name is not appearing. I have subscribed to make this comment.)
BELIEVE IT OR NOT | A CONCOCTED RELIGION
There is no historical evidence for a Muhammad or a city called Mecca in AD 600+. (36 min)
https://youtu.be/zj1S1kWRncA?si=pxY52cVDKGQ6o1B8

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Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
1 day ago

Iraq fought Iran for ten years, before the West puzzlingly turned on one of the two secular countries in the Middle East. It is hard to imagine Iran taking over Iran.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
10 hours ago

What a great contribution. Many thanks David

Michael Clarke
Michael Clarke
1 day ago

An interesting piece that yet again brings us back to the horrors of WW1, a made-in-Europe catastrophe that affected other parts of the world as well. However, it in no way changes two fundamental realities about the Middle East: the creation of the State of Israel was a catastrophe for the region and Western involvement has made a very bad situation there even worse. The Abraham Accords do offer hope but only because they point to a secular solution of the Israel/Palestine conflict in that (if Israel doesn’t nuke Iran) a post apartheid state to be known as Israel/Palestine would be the result.

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