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What Donald shares with de Gaulle They both played on national weakness

“You think our country’s so innocent?” Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

“You think our country’s so innocent?” Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images


November 6, 2024   5 mins

A perceptive journalist once said that Donald Trump should be taken “seriously but not literally”. The same could have been said about Charles de Gaulle. On the opening page of his memoirs, he wrote that his “certain idea of France” was “like the princess in the fairy tale” and there was always a sense in which de Gaulle knew that he was telling his countrymen a kind of fairy tale. For example, Paris was not, as he said in his speech of 25 August 1944, “liberated by itself”. The Germans would not have left the city if it had not been for the proximity of large American forces.

The mere idea that Donald Trump might be compared to Charles de Gaulle will provoke howls of outrage — and not just in France. De Gaulle lived a life of austere simplicity. When his grandchildren came to tea at the Élysée Palace, he told the servants to bring him the bill for the cakes that they had consumed. He read widely and took great pains in the composition of his own books. One should never say never when talking about Donald Trump, but I feel on moderately safe ground in predicting that The Art of the Deal will not, unlike de Gaulle’s memoirs, be published in the Pléiade series that is devoted to great works of literature.

And yet, despite their differences, both men referred, with almost obsessive frequency, to “greatness”. De Gaulle said that France cannot be herself without greatness just as Trump promised to “make America great again”. But greatness is a revealingly vague term. Leaders of states that really exercise great power — namely, Britain in the late 19th century or the United States in the late 20th century — rarely talk about it. They mask their hegemony beneath talk of cooperation and altruism. The British sometimes gave the impression that ruling the largest empire that the world had ever seen was an inconvenient burden of which they were too honourable to divest themselves.

Trump and de Gaulle both ruled — in Trump’s case will probably rule again — nations in decline. In France’s case, the decline was obvious. The country was defeated in 1940. Stirring broadcasts from London and the presence of small numbers of Free French troops in the allied forces could not change this fact. Churchill was cruel when he told his foreign secretary that the number of Canadians who had shed their blood to liberate France was greater than the number of Frenchmen who had done so, but in purely statistical terms he was probably right. After the Second World War, France lost its empire and the most dramatic moment in this process came in 1962, when de Gaulle, to the bitter disappointment of a million European settlers and much of the French army, decided that France could no longer hold on to Algeria. “High Gaullism” — the period from 1962 to 1967 — was marked by flamboyant gestures in foreign policy but the territory that de Gaulle ruled was smaller than that of the Third Republic (1870 to 1940), which de Gaulle talked of with ostentatious disdain.

American decline is more complicated. It is still the richest and most militarily powerful country on Earth. Trump’s detractors make much of his chequered business career. In truth, though, Trump’s time in business was a good preparation for leading the United States in the 21st century. The USA, like the Trump Organization, inherited much from an earlier generation, which built the country’s power and prosperity after the Second World War. But the United States is living on borrowed money because it has huge debts. It is also, like Britain and France in the Twenties, living on borrowed time. The end of the Cold War brought its apparent zenith — just as the peace settlements after the First World War brought the apparent zenith of Britain and France — and no other country is yet able and inclined to challenge America as the global power. But America’s economic superiority is finished. China’s growth may have stalled in the last few years, but everyone expects it to outstrip the United States within the foreseeable future.

“America’s economic superiority is finished.”

Trump understands the underlying weakness of his country. Hence his obsession with the Chinese challenge and his desire to stop paying for the defence of other countries. Like de Gaulle, Trump has used a smokescreen of grandiose rhetoric to cover what is really a retreat from American commitments overseas. He understands that American greatness has become an illusion to be sustained rather than a reality to be defended. De Gaulle was also an illusionist, and it is no accident that, in their very different ways, both men were products of the television age. De Gaulle’s Fifth Republic was built on the spread of television sets in the Sixties — and state control of the national broadcast — as much as Trump’s political take-off was built on cable TV and Fox News. De Gaulle’s stage-managed press conferences and dramatic addresses to the nation in moments of crisis were as contrived as Trump’s performance in The Apprentice.

When it suited him, De Gaulle would turn a blind eye to repression in other countries if he wanted their leaders as allies. He was on an official visit to Nicolae Ceaușescu’s Romania when the student began tearing up the cobblestones in May 1968. Trump is equally sure that morality should have no role in foreign policy. He respects power and leaders who are not afraid to use power. If the circumstances are right, he is happy to do business with Saudi Arabia or North Korea.

Since the Second World War, most democratic leaders have had a particular emotional attachment to one country: the United States. Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair and Barack Obama all believed that America was a repository of virtue. There are two great exceptions. One was Charles de Gaulle. For him, America was simply a centre of industrial and military power; American idealism meant nothing. The American politician whom he most respected was not Kennedy or Roosevelt but Nixon. The other exception is Trump: a man who once, when asked to explain why he was not worried by the fact that Putin was a “killer”, replied: “You think our country’s so innocent?”

There is, of course, one respect in which Trump and de Gaulle differ dramatically. Trump has never accepted the result of the 2020 election and did everything that he could to cling to power after it. De Gaulle, by contrast, sometimes seemed eager to leave office when confronted with the mere hint of an electoral reverse. In 1969, a cause that he supported in a referendum was defeated. This had no constitutional implications — his presidential mandate had another three years to run — but he had resigned, packed his bags and returned to his country house in Colombey-les-deux-Églises within hours.

It would, though, be too simple to see a neat division between de Gaulle the defender of democratic propriety and Trump its enemy. De Gaulle had returned to power in 1958 as the result of what was, effectively, a military coup, during which the army took power in Algeria and threatened to take it in mainland France. De Gaulle did not endorse the actions of soldiers — but those who thought that they were speaking on his behalf did so and de Gaulle never disavowed them. He told the president of the two houses of the National Assembly that, if they did not support this return to power, he would do nothing — but that they would then “have to explain themselves to the paratroopers”.

If something kept de Gaulle from making himself a dictator, it was not admiration for democracy. His last visit abroad was a trip to Franco’s Spain in the summer of 1970. Rather, de Gaulle was restrained by a sense of balance and measure. He thought that dictatorships were likely to finish badly because they would always be sucked into “exaggerated enterprises”. He anticipated that the United States itself might choose “some general” to sort things out during the chaos of the late Sixties, but that this general would probably fail.  Most of all, de Gaulle was distinguished from Trump by his pessimism about all human endeavours including, in the end, his own. He was intensely aware of the difference between de Gaulle the public man — an image that he had so carefully constructed for the French people — and de Gaulle the fallible human being. For more than a decade before his death in November 1970, his writing was frequently marked by reference to old age and the turning of autumn to winter. Somehow, I suspect that Trump — who is now one year younger than de Gaulle was at the moment of his death — is not as reconciled to his own mortality.


Richard Vinen is Professor of History at King’s College, London. His book Second City: Birmingham and the Forging of Modern Britain is out now.


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Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
14 days ago

Interesting parallels in this comparison of two very different men. More of this kind of thought please, Unherd.

Brett H
Brett H
14 days ago

I’m not sure what this is about; similarities and differences between Trump and De Gaulle. But the purpose of it is what? Are we now going to have many stories like this, where Trump, as a symbol of something, is jammed into some historical context which is a symbol of something else, and therefore there’s some meaning in it all.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
14 days ago

With respect to the author, I have read the “Art of the Deal” and consider it a great work. Its principles I use in my business and personal life, and I have deep respect and admiration for Donald Trump and his works. It’s a funny, curiously endearing work, of a good man who worked hard, with his dad and later on his own. I definitely recommend it!

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
14 days ago
Reply to  Samuel Ross

I shall have to acquire a copy

j watson
j watson
14 days ago

Some common themes for sure, but De Gaulle believed in the European community seeing it as a way of also increasing French influence. Whilst he set limits, he was nonetheless a believer in the benefits of significant european federalism.
We’ve heard Trump’s rhetoric about alliances and he’s not wrong about reciprocity. I suspect though the similarity with De Gaulle will be maintained. Trump will retain the alliances. Making America Weaker not an appealing epithet, although Putin and other Autocrats will hope his cognitive decline and ego impairs judgment.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
14 days ago
Reply to  j watson

No he did not believe in the European Community. In fact he vetoed the Treaty establishing the Common Market because he wouldn’t accept a law passed by a supranational body against the will of France. In other words he was the original Brexiteer, or should that be Frexiteer

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
14 days ago

Yes quite so! De Gaulle believed in “a Europe of nations” (patries…)

He also fully understood that France was no longer “a Great Power”…his reply was “no…but it is a Great Nation”…and he was right!

I think the point us that truly consensual co-operation between nations which provides benefits to each individual nation is fine and will work. An attempt to subsume each nation in an overarching “whole” only works for the ruling bureaucracy.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
14 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

Quite so.
Of course De Gaulle’s ambition was that the ruling bureaucracy would be French