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The cult of kindness Children need to be taught about Sin

'The project of naming and defining virtues is not a uniquely Christian one.' (Derek Hudson/Getty Images)

'The project of naming and defining virtues is not a uniquely Christian one.' (Derek Hudson/Getty Images)


September 14, 2024   9 mins

Last June, I walked down to our local public school here in the foothills of Los Angeles to pick up my son from his last day of kindergarten. As we were leaving, I snapped a picture of a sign on the wall. “Kindness is Kool!” it proclaimed in loud rainbow colours.

When I first saw the sign, at the beginning of the school year, it barely caught my attention. It was typical, something you might see in any public school in America. I’m also very much in favour of being kind. But, seeing it every day for several months, it started to bug me. Is that true? Is kindness “kool”? What is the school trying to communicate here? Suddenly, the banality of the sign was precisely what made it worthy of my attention.

Let’s start with the obvious fact that, no, it isn’t always true that kindness is cool. The cool kids often act unkindly. And I can think of many scenarios in which I would want my son to be kind, even if it meant that everyone would regard him as uncool. So this seems to be a classic case of a category error: what’s moral is not always what will make you popular or cool. Perhaps we ought not to be lying to our children about the nature of good and evil.

But, I can hear you protest, surely, the sign is meant to be merely aspirational. It’s a way of saying that we hope to live in a community in which it’s cool to be kind. I fear, though, that this makes things even worse. For it seems to concede that morality is secondary to “coolness”, and all we can do is hope that the Arbiters of Cool decide to use their considerable powers to promote kindness.

And yet I think the sign hints at an even bigger problem. Like many of our cultural institutions, my son’s school seems to have elevated kindness to the top of the moral hierarchy.

Here is the school’s mission statement: “Be kind and encouraging; Accept responsibility; Respect others and be safe!” Again, utterly banal. But also wrong-headed. Kindness is not some kind of Uber Value from which all moral behaviour flows. In fact, when I think back on the acute moral crises of my life, these were the times when kindness wasn’t nearly enough, and I had to summon the courage to be unkind in order to do what was right.

My son’s school is actually quite a good school, and there are lots of strong, moral people who work there. The question is: why are they talking about morality in this depleted way? Why are their stated values so bland and so weak?

Our public understanding of morality is in crisis. Indeed, even outside of school, we struggle to talk about morality at all. In a recent advice column in The New York Times, a reader asked whether it was okay for her adult daughter to bring her married lover on a family trip to Greece. Instead of telling the writer to keep this creep as far away from her family as possible, the NYT expert advised her to be more tolerant:

“This is about respecting your adult daughter’s choices. You have substituted your idea of happiness for hers. This is a common (and often well-intentioned) trap for many parents. It’s not productive, though… As a show of respect, read up on polyamory before you broach the subject with her.”

The phrase “not productive” is doing a lot of work here. We often now use words such as “unproductive” or “inappropriate” or “unhealthy” to describe behaviours that we want to eliminate, either in ourselves or others. But those are borrowed concepts — one from economics (“productivity”), one from etiquette (“appropriateness”), and one from medicine (“health”).

Economics, etiquette, and medicine are wonderful. I’m in favour of all three. But these are clumsy metaphors for morality, and I fear that talking this way has led us astray. For the production of something may be for good or for ill; what’s appropriate or polite may not be what is morally right; and a healthy body may be engaged in deeply immoral activities. (And, no, I’m not just talking about sex.)

I think what’s going on here is that we’ve become very uneasy about using the moral categories of the past. “Kindness” and its cousin “tolerance” are the only values that seem consistent with our current age of agnostic pluralism. We’ve also been trained to defer to an individual’s preferences, and it seems wrong to pass judgment on another person’s choices (unless, of course, they’re being “unkind”).

A certain kind of conservative sees all of this and argues that we just need to get back to the simplicity of Right vs Wrong. Perhaps all this talk of being kind, encouraging and respectful is just a muddled-up way for us to avoid making the difficult judgments about good and evil. And there’s some truth in this critique. But I also believe that “Right vs Wrong” is already an impoverished framework. Those categories are dualistic, and they imply a flat moral world in which every action can be plotted on a sort of number line and given a positive or negative value. That’s not how we experience questions of morality.

I think it’s right, though, to look back into our past. There we can rediscover the concepts of Virtue and Sin.

“What have you learned about virtues?” I asked my nine-year-old daughter last week. We have her in a small classical school that was founded by Catholic lay people. (My son is joining her there this fall.) Defiantly counter-cultural, the school has a very different approach to talking about morality. I was curious what she would say.

“I think there’s perseverance and fortitude,” she said. “And a couple others. I can’t remember.” Then a pause. “Wait, wait! I remember,” she exclaimed, breaking into a proud smile. “From my catechism!” Here she started reciting: “The three theological virtues are faith, hope and charity.”

In the Christian tradition, there are several different lists of virtues. Kindness is one of the seven capital virtues, standing in opposition to envy, one of the seven deadly sins. The other capital virtues are: humility, temperance, chastity (not what you think it is!), patience, charity, and diligence. Other Christian formulations include things like endurance, devotion, and wisdom.

But those concepts have no place in a public school, right? We live in a multicultural society, and I probably shouldn’t have smuggled Christian values into a discussion about public morality, especially not in the public schools. (Well, except for kindness. Let’s keep that one.)

But the project of naming and defining virtues is not a uniquely Christian one. The pre-Christian Greeks talked of the four cardinal virtues of prudence, fortitude, temperance and justice. This is the list that my daughter was trying to remember. Plato adds piety. Aristotle writes of courage and truthfulness, among others. The Romans had an even longer list.

Of course, these are Western cultures. What about someone from Africa or India or China? What about a Muslim student?

You might be surprised to learn, like I was, that all of these cultures have concepts that are quite similar to the idea of Virtue. And all of them identify individual virtues that stretch far beyond the idea of kindness. India has the ideas of dharma and aram. In Ancient Egypt, the goddess Maat represented the virtues of harmony, truth, and justice. Buddhism has the Ten Perfections. In Confucianism, there are renxiao, and li.

I’m not an expert in the moral and ethical traditions of any of these cultures. Indeed, like almost everyone else of my generation, I went to schools — both secular and Christian — that downplayed talk of the virtues, so I don’t even have a great handle on the Greek or Christian understandings of that concept. I wish I did.

What I’m starting to realise, though, is that we need to revive the concept of Virtue if we’re going to talk clearly and accurately about morality. Pluralism itself, instead of undermining the case, demands that revival. In our effort to be culturally sensitive, we’ve purged our moral conversation of concepts that occur again and again across all the wisdom traditions of our species. We’ve created an alien life form in a petri dish, and we’ve unleashed it on our children.

We all need Virtue. And wherever you have Virtue, you also have Sin.

Let’s look again at the school’s list: Be kind, encouraging, accept responsibility, and be safe. All good goals. But ask yourself what isn’t on their list.

What’s missing are all the virtues that have anything to do with strength or excellence: Prudence, Fortitude, Chastity, Diligence, Wisdom, Perseverance, etc. The closest the school comes to any of these is its humble request that the students “accept responsibility”. Pretty weak stuff.

To state the obvious: you can’t be a good person without being strong. You need to be strong enough to resist your own baser instincts. You need strength in order to stand up to others who are intent on doing evil. And you need discipline — daily strength — in order to do all the good that you are capable of in this world.

The Latin word virtus comes from their word for man (vir), and it originally meant a brave warrior. But it came to mean moral strength as well. This weirdly echoes with the Confucian concept of ren, which originally meant “virility” but came to encompass morality. Other cultures also link Virtue with strength and manliness. Look at the Buddhist perfections of viriya or adhiṭṭhāna. Or the Hindu concept of dhriti.

What’s wonderful about the more traditional understanding of Virtue is that it inspires. Yet this world of virtues also leaves a ton of room for complexity, for it is quite difficult to balance truthfulness and kindness, prudence and perseverance, or diligence and humility. And this is where Sin comes in.

I know, I know. We’re all uncomfortable with that word and that idea. And certainly it has been overused as a tool for denouncing other people’s behaviour. But the idea of Sin is absolutely essential for understanding yourself from the inside. To be human is to be in a constant state of Sin.

Marilyn Simon, a literature professor, has written a beautiful essay “In Praise of Sin” about the damage we do when we try to understand ourselves purely psychologically, without recourse to the idea of Sin. And James Mumford has written about his own struggles with mental illness within a health system that, on the surface, claims to deny the reality of Sin by letting each person define his own values. “When I’m feeling worthless,” Mumford tells his psychologist, “you don’t act as if values are subjective. You don’t reply, ‘Yes, you’re right. If you feel worthless, you are worthless!’”

You can’t be a full human being without acknowledging your own capacity for Sin. If we set the bar high enough, it will inspire us to moral achievements that we can only imagine. But it will also set us up for daily failure, even when we mean to do well.

We call that daily failure Sin.

I will confess here that I don’t routinely talk about Virtue and Sin with my six-year-old son. And even just this morning I told him that his behaviour was “inappropriate” before giving him a timeout for taking a swipe at his brother. It would have been passing strange for me to say: “Son, you’ve been sinful this morning.”

“I will confess here that I don’t routinely talk about Virtue and Sin with my six-year-old son.”

But I also don’t try to shield him from these ideas. In our house, we try to talk clearly and honestly about morality. The concepts of Virtue and Sin, when they aren’t explicit, are often implied. What are we striving for? And how are we falling short? As a parent, I find that I frequently need to ask my children (or my wife) for their forgiveness, for I am always falling short of my own ideal of virtuous parenting.

Two years ago, my daughter had to go to Confession for the first time, as her school made it a prerequisite for receiving her First Communion. At the time, I hadn’t yet come back to the Church myself, and it had been at least two decades since I had gone to Confession. I was quite nervous about helping my daughter prepare to acknowledge her sins and ask for God’s forgiveness.

We sat down on our couch, and we began to go through a very simple “Examination of Conscience” based on the Ten Commandments. Her teacher had given me some helpful guidance, but I found the conversation to be quite difficult. She and I both knew exactly which incidents needed to be confessed, but she had a hard time talking about them.

It’s not that she’s particularly sinful; she’s actually an incredibly good kid. And that was precisely the problem. Being good is a part of her identity, and it was very painful for her to recollect and try to talk about these incidents when she had behaved sinfully.

She started to get upset, and tears started to flow. For a moment, I thought I had messed the whole thing up. I had triggered her shame response. Maybe this was all a terrible mistake. Maybe a second-grader shouldn’t be going to Confession.

So I slowed down. I reassured her that this was a natural part of the process. It may be shameful to sin, but it’s not at all shameful to admit that we have sinned. And I reminded her of some of my own sins, all of which she was quite happy to help me remember.

In the end, she was able to write down some of her sins on the paper which she took into Confession. And, by her account, the Confession went well, and she felt so much better afterward.

The whole incident had opened my eyes. Isn’t this the danger for all of us? That our shame will prevent us from looking at our sins squarely? I was grateful for this ritual, this sacrament, that helped my daughter confront — and accept — her own shortcomings. She will often now tell me cheerfully, unprompted, that she did something that needs to be confessed.

Later that year, I went through the same process when I confessed over 20 years of sins to my priest. My life was quite rocky in the years before I met my wife, and I had been through years of therapy and confronted lots of my own “unhealthy” and “unproductive” behaviours. But now I had to be honest and clear that decades of difficulties had often been the product of my sins.

Which is why I’m going to say something now that is going to sound crazy in our current environment, perhaps even appalling. Our children, in elementary school, need to be learning about Virtue and Sin. By the third grade, they are fully capable of comprehending these ideas and applying them to their own lives. That doesn’t mean it will always be easy. Being human isn’t easy. But “Kindness is Kool” isn’t going to cut it anymore.


Tim DeRoche is the author of The Ballad of Huck & Miguel.

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2 plus 2 equals 4
2 plus 2 equals 4
3 days ago

There’s nothing wrong with the concept of “kindness” itself. What’s wrong is how it has been hijacked in service of a particular set of social and political assumptions. To the point where “be kind” has become rhetorical cover for doing bad.

This is common in any religion. Years ago the priest would say he was “doing God’s work” while he stole from his congregation. Now the progressive says he is “being kind” while he hounds a woman out of her job for believing that men shouldn’t be allowed in women’s toilets.

Claire D
Claire D
3 days ago

Years ago the priest would say he was “doing God’s work” . . . as heretics were tortured and burned on the stake at his bidding I regret to say.
That is where a banality like “be kind” could lead if we are not careful.

El Uro
El Uro
2 days ago
Reply to  Claire D

“heretics were tortured and burned on the stake at his bidding I regret to say” – It was not an everyday practice. People who fight religion have shamelessly lied and continue to lie about this.

Claire D
Claire D
1 day ago
Reply to  El Uro

Just to be clear, I am not one of those “people who fight religion”.
The point I am making is how humans can rationalise or justify their brutality to themselves and the commons.

Gordon Arta
Gordon Arta
1 day ago
Reply to  El Uro

Not an everyday practice. Phew, that’s alright then. I’m sure the women and men, as the flames flickered round their ankles, took comfort from that thought.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 day ago
Reply to  Claire D

Not to mention the pedophile Catholic priests who were doing “God’s work”.

Shelley Ann
Shelley Ann
2 days ago

Spot on. The “weaponisation” of kindness. Perhaps this is what the phrase “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” was pointing at …..

Mickey The Bags
Mickey The Bags
4 days ago

Interesting article. It seems more and more people, disillusioned with modernity, are reaching back into their cultural origins with a view to attempting to make sense of an increasingly bizarre version of what currently passes for reality.

From global pandemics to vacuous Punch and Judy show political theatre and everything in between, increasingly, the real world outcomes of the promised liberal nirvana appear to be proving to be highly disappointing.

Michael Cavanaugh
Michael Cavanaugh
2 days ago

But what of the promised post-liberal nirvana? As to liberal outcomes, “nirvana” is too strong but there is much routine betterment: reliable contraception, antibiotics, longer life expectancy: one could go on about the many improvements we just take for granted. (And yes new benefits do create new moral challenges; people never worried about organ priority before organs could be transplanted.). But none of this is to deny that DeRoche has a point about morality being truncated to economics, therapeutics or just PR.

Tim DeRoche
Tim DeRoche
3 days ago

Thanks, everyone. I appreciate all the thoughtful comments. I thought this one might resonate with a lot of folks. I especially appreciate that most of you seemed to understand that I value kindness quite highly.

Brett H
Brett H
2 days ago
Reply to  Tim DeRoche

An interesting essay and it created some interesting comments. Thanks.

Michael Cavanaugh
Michael Cavanaugh
2 days ago
Reply to  Tim DeRoche

Thank you. Tim, both for the essay itself but also for acknowledging, as author, the commentary. (On Unherd, most authors do not.)

Claire D
Claire D
3 days ago

Great article, thank you. It get’s across very well human’s, our, constant balancing act between acknowledging Sin, either formally within faith, or otherwise, and the demands of the Ego. Giving way/submission v’s confidence/strength. Both are necessary, but going too far in one direction or the other, usually unconsciously, causes so many of our problems.

I think that the pathological compassion (“be kind”) and the ‘sacred victim’ complexes we are witnessing today are, ironically, the opposite to what they think they are. In fact, the ones involved are self aggrandising (pride) about themselves and their own virtue, resentful (envy) and spiteful (hate) towards their perceived enemies and previous generations.

This time will be looked back on one day as an age of strange cults I imagine. Whether the ones who are possessed will grow out of them and realise I don’t know, I expect some will and some won’t. Either way I don’t think it will last, not that human’s problems with each other will go away of course, but they will change and be different to this.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 days ago
Reply to  Claire D

Good post. We’ve had our disagreements about compassion, as you think it’s largely determined by born inheritance or lack thereof, while I think a sizable measure of compassion can be developed or grown into. But I agree with you and others who note that it can become a monomania or pathology, to the exclusion of other fundamental virtues. The fetishization of “vulnerability” has had a similar world-swallowing effect on some people recently. Do we need to let predators and fraudsters know just how virtuously vulnerable we can be?

Claire D
Claire D
3 days ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Thanks.
I came across this the other day,

“Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience.”
Adam Smith.

Which struck me as particularly relevant today.
I upticked you, but the uptick seems to have been swallowed up by the machine.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 days ago
Reply to  Claire D

I like that quote, which is new to me. Uptick back at ya, Claire.

Bored Writer
Bored Writer
2 days ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Oh for god’s sake ……

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
2 days ago
Reply to  Bored Writer

What’s wrong Mr. Writer? She compliments my largely unpopular posts a lot and I owed her at least one more well-deserved “attagirl”.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 day ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

I compliment your posts but I don’t get acknowledgment from you, or acknowledgment for my own unpopular posts.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
22 hours ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Rest assured I’m appreciative and flattered, Claire. I made a point of complimenting your strong original comment here*
I frequently upvote your replies but don’t think short responses—especially those that merely gainsay a previous comment—merit a defense all that often.
In any case, I respect your overall contribution and agree with much of what you say.
Cheers,
AJ

*Sept. 17, 13:00 GMT: name confusion, again. Sorry, Clare (and Claire!).

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Claire D
Claire D
2 days ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Are you sure it was me re compassion disagreements ?
While I do think some people are born inherently inclined to be sympathetic I also agree with you that compassion can develop, especially out of suffering oneself. Surely that is the point, to test us and teach us, from a Christian point of view.
I think reading widely can help to develop empathy as well, you’re entering the mind of another person, and in a good book that can be a powerful experience.

Bored Writer
Bored Writer
2 days ago
Reply to  Claire D

Over to you AJ ….

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
2 days ago
Reply to  Bored Writer

Thanks very much, Bored. I’m in pretty emphatic agreement with everything Claire wrote there, from the unequal inheritance of qualities like sympathy and kindness to the prospect of development to the meaningfulness of suffering to reading’s potential benefits. So I’ll break with my usual habit and just say “amen”.
Jeez, it still takes me a while to declare I’m gonna shut up!
*[Yes, ***I’m sure. it was you Below you emphasize the other side of the equation: born empathic or not. I think of being an empath as a more rare and heightened level; that can’t be learned, not really. But most are capable of growing toward greater empathy.
I think our disagreement might be more about definitions than fundamentals]… I’d strike this bracketed passage through if I could do so on a phone—another case of confusion with Clare Knight. I apologize.

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Claire D
Claire D
18 hours ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Unfortunately UnHerd allow the duplication of names, there is more than one ‘Claire D’ commenting, which is annoying for me (and for the others I would have thought), and confusing for everyone else.
I think it was probably one of the other Claire Ds you had a disagreement with, not me.

Anyway, I’m in the process of changing my UnHerd ‘name’ . This Claire D will not be commenting under this name any more.

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AJ Mac
AJ Mac
12 hours ago
Reply to  Claire D

**It occurs to me that I’ve confused you with Clare Knight, which was very inattentive of me. So it wasn’t even a duplicate Claire D, just another Clare—different spelling too! I hope you’ll continue to post under your updated screen name.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 day ago
Reply to  Claire D

I suppose reading might help but I tend to think one is either born empathic or one is not. However, for those not born empathic a personal experience, like losing a child, can go a long way towards developing it.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
12 hours ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Experiences of great personal tragedy are not rare. Neither are severe depressions or intimations of the divine or so-called religious experiences. All such things can expand one’s compassion, empathy, and willingness to forgive. We don’t need an inherited “superpower” to grow.

There is also a credible study that shows a correlation with increased empathy from reading fiction vs. nonfiction. It’s called Bookworms vs. Nerds, from about 2007.

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Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 day ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

And forgiving.

0 0
0 0
2 days ago
Reply to  Claire D

You’d be interested in the studies conducted a U Mass Amherst about the ethical Dutch auction set in motion when equal opportunities policies introduced disadvantaged minorities into so called elite schools. Well brought up young people found it very difficult to maintain a sense of self worth when confronted with the disadvantage damage incurred by others. They were then prepared to go to any length to restore some sense of their own moral worth and dignity.

A lot of the peculiar obsessions with half baked abstract slogans sometimes called ‘woke’ is actually generated by such virtue competitions.

A J
A J
1 day ago
Reply to  Claire D

Wisdom and compassion are like two wings of a bird.
This is from the Buddhist tradition.

It’s not enough to be kind to girls wanting elective mastectomies, and give them what they ask for; we need our kindness to be informed by wisdom. What’s really going on? How else might we help them? Etc

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 day ago
Reply to  A J

Seconded.

Brett H
Brett H
3 days ago

““What have you learned about virtues?” I asked my nine-year-old daughter …”
What I found interesting in this essay was the writer asking his daughter about virtue at age nine. I doubt most children in public schools at that age would know the word exists, let alone what it means. It would be regarded as religious and therefore not appropriate, and in fact avoided, in a secular education. The idea, presumably, is to protect children from the ignorance of Christian beliefs.
If children are not even aware of the word and it’s meaning then how could they even have an idea of the fact that you can choose to behave in a virtuous way. It’s a terrible failure to throw out these principles simply because they are Christian values and therefore tainted, and worse to be replaced by something “cool”.
In my younger days anyone trying to be cool was regarded as a fake. No one would have said “I want to be cool”. They would have been laughed at. We all regarded it as posturing and empty of real meaning. And yet here it is as something to aspire to. But there’s nothing there to aspire to.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

The parents should be teaching religious values to their children not public teachers. I was a high school teacher and I taught religious values in relation to the literature I was teaching, usually older poems. History teachers also discuss religion. But we could not proselytize.

Brett H
Brett H
2 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

I wasn’t suggesting that there should be religion taught in school, I was saying that students in public schools wouldn’t even be aware of the word or it’s meaning. Whether it should come from parents or schools they wouldn’t know such a thing exists. Why should virtues be regarded as proselytising?

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0 0
2 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

Might be or not, depending. …

Brett H
Brett H
1 day ago
Reply to  0 0

I don’t understand this.

Kirk Susong
Kirk Susong
2 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Quite the contrary… you were teaching religion, you just didn’t know it. Nature abhors a vacuum, and the human soul abhors the absence of transcendental belief. Everyone has it — it’s not always expressed in one of the stories of Traditional Religion, but it’s there. And the most damaging thing of all is to obscure it and pretend it’s not there. Down that path lies the cult of self-fulfillment that we are all suffering through now.

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0 0
2 days ago
Reply to  Kirk Susong

You haven’t filled any ‘vacuum’ there, I’m afraid

Michael Cavanaugh
Michael Cavanaugh
2 days ago
Reply to  Kirk Susong

Category mistakes: religion may have something to say about virtue etc but not all talk of virtue etc is ipso facto religious; also one can teach about religion (as part of the history of ideas; resources for thought) without, necessarily, preaching.

Tyler Durden
Tyler Durden
3 days ago

This modern concept looks to have been created in order for the public to be kind to trans – specifically male trans with a fetish for women’s clothing and plastic surgeons who want to operate on teenagers.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 days ago

“Kindness is Kool!” it proclaimed in loud rainbow colours.
There is nothing wrong with kindness. It is an admirable human trait. There is everything wrong in dressing it up in blatantly political imagery. Like the rainbow. When I see that, it’s hard to imagine that there is an agenda in play.
Also, it is interesting that the article mentions virtue and sin. Let me add one more thing that for decades served as a tremendous regulator of human behavior: shame. People thought twice about doing certain things, not just because of how those actions would make them look, but also because those acts would reflect on their parents, their extended families, their communities, etc. In a different time, people instinctively understood that everything was not about them and that every action spawned a reaction.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
2 days ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Yours is an interesting comment. While we have to learn right and wrong, shame comes naturally!

Point of Information
Point of Information
1 day ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

The rainbow is/was the symbol of God’s covenant, in Judaism and Christianity, not to try to wipe out humanity (with a flood) again.

Rainbows also are or were symbols of (early) childhood and of ethnic diversity (“rainbow nation”).

I wouldn’t assume the Stonewall rainbow – specifically identifiable by the striped flèche on its left side – is always or exclusively the symbolism intended, particularly if it is used by a church, kindergarten or primary school.

Bad Captain
Bad Captain
1 day ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

The reason shame worked is because there was a (more) common acceptance of what was right and wrong (virtue/sin) in a societal context. Without a common understanding of right/wrong, you can’t have shame. Which is where we’ve slowly lurched to in the West.
As the author points out, kindness isn’t a value. It’s a technique. Sometimes it’s the right tool for the job, sometimes it’s not.
But more importantly, it lacks a clear definition. One could say shouting rudely at someone who is about to get hit is a measure of kindness, you could also say that relaying feedback with context and professionalism is also kind. Without an operating definition of “kind”, it’s worthless as a value.

John Riordan
John Riordan
2 days ago

“Let’s look again at the school’s list: Be kind, encouraging, accept responsibility, and be safe. All good goals. But ask yourself what isn’t on their list.
What’s missing are all the virtues that have anything to do with strength or excellence: Prudence, Fortitude, Chastity, Diligence, Wisdom, Perseverance, etc.”

This is no accident, in my opinion. The left-hand side of the culture war actually wants the rest of us to be weak and dependent instead of strong and self-reliant.

Peter Mott
Peter Mott
2 days ago

The psychologist Jon Haidt is famous (well fairly famous) for arguing that humans have over millennia evolved five “moral foundations”. They are Care/harm, Authority/subversion, Loyalty/betrayal, Fairness/cheating, and Sanctity/degradation.
People’s behaviour can evoke these foundations leading to judgments, support, punishment and so on. Different cultures express these foundations differently, but they are a universal “first draft” of human morality.
Haidt deplores, in his gentle way, that current public morality focuses almost exclusively on Care/harm (i.e. “kindness”) leaving out all the other foundations (Fairness/cheating is still active).
The writer’s position is similar, I think, when he observes that Christian morality is far richer than “Kindness is kool”. We need to regain that richness. Why? Because people are actually not very kind and they need a wider framework to structure their behaviour or they will be worse than they need be. Sin, I guess..
Haidt’s research project is available at https://moralfoundations.org/ and from his book “The Righteous Mind”.

David Morley
David Morley
3 days ago

The thing about virtue, of course, is that it involves making judgements about people. Some are virtuous, others are not. It is not that those lacking virtue are necessarily evil. Mostly they are just weak, as the author says – they lack the strength to achieve the self control that virtue requires. Being blunt about it, they are just trashy people.

But making such hard judgements about people is just the kind of unkindness that we now find so hard to bear. We’d rather provide everyone with excuses.

Brett H
Brett H
3 days ago
Reply to  David Morley

“The thing about virtue, of course, is that it involves making judgements about people.”
I don’t see making judgements about others as having anything to do with virtue. How do you come to that conclusion?

Andrew D
Andrew D
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

More about making judgements about oneself

Norfolk Sceptic
Norfolk Sceptic
3 days ago
Reply to  Andrew D

For those that are independently minded (I was, from the age of two), making judgements is an unavoidable task. Planning for the future, and preparing for the unexpected, is another useful skill to practice.

Is that why so many now go through life making the wrong choices and wonder why they have a degree in a useless subject, in a deadend job, mixing with deadend people, and having disappointing children?

David Morley
David Morley
3 days ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Why only about oneself? Why not others? If you judge yourself to have acted with impatience say, or dishonestly, why would you not apply that judgement to someone else who behaved similarly? Perhaps you don’t want to be unkind?

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 days ago
Reply to  David Morley

I think it’s important to separate discernment from judgment. We can avoid denouncing or judging people left and right, without pretending they are all sane, benign, or equal in virtue. Or letting them misuse and exploit us.
The risk is less one of being unkind than of arrogating the judgment of the Creator. We have a hard enough time seeing into and facing the truth of own hearts, let alone another’s.
I wonder how many of us feel no twinge of guilt or worry at this sentence: According to the measure you mete out, it will be measured unto you again.
I can’t say I don’t.

David Morley
David Morley
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

Do you understand what a phrase like “the virtuous” might mean? Does a phrase like “lacking in virtue” make any sense to you? Unless you think that everything is virtuous, including its opposite, I’m not sure how you can possibly avoid making a judgement.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 days ago
Reply to  David Morley

One can make judgments; indeed at some level it’s unavoidable, as you say. But a kind or charitable assessment is most often the more virtuous path. Harshness and wrath breed harshness and wrath. And we shouldn’t treat our judgments as gospel.

David Morley
David Morley
3 days ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

I agree on that – though that’s not the same as the watering down of values that we currently see. If a person cheats repeatedly on their spouse, we might still temper our judgement – but it would be ridiculous to refer to their behaviour as “naughty”.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 days ago
Reply to  David Morley

Agreed. But as a usage stickler I’ll note that naughty originally meant something much closer to “wicked”.
Tempered indeed. Charity and forgiveness can coexist with standards and responsibility—at least in theory, sometimes practice. Severe judgments may come from a place too close to the injury or emotional hurt that we feel, or from a self-righteous unwillingness to confront our own part in some things.
I think we’d agree that many people who profess an ultra-tolerant and kindhearted worldview can be among the coldest and cruelest, when really tested.

Ian Wigg
Ian Wigg
2 days ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Which is entirely why our criminal justice system hs gone down the pan. The judiciary are not supposed to be “virtuous” or “charitable” they are supposed to purely judge based on the letter of the law based on the facts and arguments presented to them. “Virtuous interpretation” is the job of the barristers and solicitors in putting their case.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
2 days ago
Reply to  Ian Wigg

I don’t agree than anyone, even an actual judge, should judge entirely according to the letter of the law.
The letter kills but the spirit gives life-

Point of Information
Point of Information
1 day ago
Reply to  David Morley

Christ / Jesus of Nazareth responded to those who brought him an adulteress to pass (capital) judgement on by suggesting that “he who was without sin cast the first stone” so hard to argue that Christianity inherently encourages judgement of man by man – although historically it did plenty of this, officially only God gets to judge.

Christianity – like other religious and secular philosophies – distinguishes between the sinner and the sin – that is between the actor and the act. A sin exists as a more or less heinous action which is separate from the person who did it, who – although we’re all sinners – isn’t defined by one bad (or good) act, but by the sum total of all good and bad acts, and, depending on your flavour of Christianity, words and thoughts too.

We commonly do this with kids:
– Mum said I’m a bad person.
– No. Mum said what you did was bad.

So you can judge “trashy” people or you can judge their (and others’) actions.

Hope that answers the question “how?”

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
22 hours ago

Well observed.

John Taylor
John Taylor
3 days ago

Rampant “be kind!” ideology has become the new guise of authoritarian control over others. You don’t have to grapple with or defend positions; all you have to say is “that wasn’t kind” in an attempt to silence other people. It is yet another example of how subjective feelings are coming to replace objectivity.

Michael Cavanaugh
Michael Cavanaugh
2 days ago
Reply to  John Taylor

But isn’t there a prior question: how did (merely) subjective feelings come, in the first place, to function as trump cards?

Patricia Hardman
Patricia Hardman
3 days ago

Thank you Tim.
There is so much I agree withnin your article regarding acknowledging my own sin and daily confession of it, but I want to focus on the “be kind” mantra.
Being kind has contributed to so many of societies ills. In Australia it is now virtually illegal to say that a man in a dress is still a man. We have men in almost every women’s sporting event, amateur and professional. Rapists claiming to be women housed in women’s prisons and referred to as she/her even in articles “reporting” their sexual violence.
It is not unkind to be truthful about sex:
Sex is determined at conception, observed in utero and/or at birth, and is immutable.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
3 days ago

If we’re created in his image then he’s obviously a horrible b**tard. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Pinochet…..all copies of our Lord

Michael Smith
Michael Smith
3 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

but examples of the result of sin

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
3 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Don’t forget yourself.

David Yetter
David Yetter
1 day ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

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David Yetter
David Yetter
1 day ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I think you missed the later passages shortly after the creation of Man. Something about jumping the gun on learning about good and evil. (The Fathers of the Church hold that the prohibition Adam and Eve violated was temporary and would have been lifted once they were more mature. Well, Blessed Augustine was an exception and thought we fell from perfection and all inherited the guilt of Adam’s transgression, but we Orthodox Christians never really warmed up to his minority view on this the way the Latin West, and especially the Lutherans did.) The image still persists still, the likeness is marred (by sin) unless through a combination of grace and effort (not exercised by any of your examples) it shines through. To see some in whom the likeness shone through, read the sayings of the Desert Fathers.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
3 days ago

Your comment about “Australia it is now virtually illegal to say that a man in a dress is still a man” raises another issue – kindness is not absolute, and any action of “kindness” can have gainers or losers. So, saying “kind” is good like saying “taxation” is “good” – but then anyone with a brain would think, how much, what is the impact, is it fair etc.

Kind towards men who believe to be women, or towards girls having to share space?

Or to take another example, kindness towards female victims of sexual abuse….or towards men facing ruin for sleeping with someone, who was drunk but clearly keen, maybe even years back, who then one day suddenly decides to regret…

Andrew Holmes
Andrew Holmes
3 days ago

The centrality of “kindness” recalls the drumbeat of “be nonjudgmental”, and the earlier “if it feels good, do it.” It is a core to the Progressive positions of endless worthy ways to be kind but endless reluctance to punish those who cheat and steal from the programs set to be kind.

Hilary Lowson
Hilary Lowson
2 days ago

I now read any exhortation to ‘be kind’ as moral relativism, usually of the worse sort: judgemental, hypocritical & self serving. Increasingly, moral relativism makes any striving for justice, fairness, reason and even logic almost impossible & where these remain possible one will labeled old fashioned etc or worse some rightist, fascist enabler. Moral relativism goes hand in hand with cultural relativism which allow no-one & no deed to be weighed & assessed by anything other than the here & now and vague generalised references to ‘feelings’. Dangerous, childish and anything but ‘progressive’.

laura m
laura m
2 days ago

I have been saying society needs “bring back shame” since 1998 when I started working the schools and in community leadership against gangs.

Jeremy Eves
Jeremy Eves
2 days ago

What about the promotion of tolerance an an absolute value. Without any statement of what should be tolerated, unlicensed tolerance is simply licensed anarchy

Peter M
Peter M
3 days ago

It’s difficult if not impossible to remove religious connotations from the word “sin”, and in that sense, it is not a useful word to talk about morality unless you follow a tradition that speaks of it. It is therefore inappropriate to make the concept of sin part of the secular society we have. What’s wrong with discussing good and bad behaviour, which can be broken down into a discussion of specific virtues and vices, and why they are good or bad?
As for confession, again who will give another person the authority to hear and most importantly judge one’s behaviour outside of specific religious traditions? We can encourage the development of understanding conscience outside of an appeal to a specific authority. We should aim to teach kids how to be their own confessors.

David Morley
David Morley
3 days ago
Reply to  Peter M

Agree – the term “sin” has too much baggage. But we do need a language which distinguishes clearly between good and bad behaviour. A language we are not afraid to use, and which has enough gravitas about it to convey serious disapproval of poor behaviour.

Simon Templar
Simon Templar
2 days ago
Reply to  Peter M

Can you talk about guilt without talking about sin? Everyone experiences guilt. Should we pretend that guilt doesn’t exist?
Christianity uniquely helps us handle guilt in a positive way: Every sinner who repents is accepted into heaven. The only people who won’t make it are the self-righteous. That is completely counter-intuitive to most people.

Martin Goodfellow
Martin Goodfellow
2 days ago
Reply to  Peter M

Being ‘your own confessor’ isn’t really possible. You can examine your own conscience, but you can’t ‘confess’ to yourself. Human behaviour doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and morality derives from being social. On your own, you can misjudge yourself, and be too easy in judgement or too hard. If you involve yourself in psychotherapy, you open yourself, willingly, to another person, who is also an authority. The idea of confession may have originated in religion, but that doesn’t mean it is invalid.

Richard Gipps
Richard Gipps
2 days ago

An exceptionally thoughtful, touching, piece.

Elizabeth W.
Elizabeth W.
2 days ago

It reminded me of this quote from a commentor on another UnHerd article (The Problem with ‘Trans Women are Women’).
‘It might be useful for people to be taught or at least encouraged to discuss or think about what compassion actually is. What qualities should compassion be balanced with? And what does compassion become if not balanced? For often, people are told that if they don’t go along with the lie that “trans women are women” that they lack compassion. And that if we don’t have compassion, we should feel shame.
The reality is that compassion (the wish that I, you and others be free from suffering) must be balanced with equanimity (the understanding that I, you and others will without exception suffer in this life.) Without equanimity, compassion falls into either anger or grief. And we can see plenty of this from trans-extremists. Likewise, without compassion, equanimity falls into indifference. 
Only by contemplating what compassion is and how it looks in practice might folk realise that it isn’t compassionate to indulge delusions. That by affirming a persons delusions (lying to them) you take them further away from what would help them, and what would be compassionate – learning tools and techniques that allow them to cope with a world not in accordance with their perceptions. To understand that their condition, be it gender dysphoria, body dysmorphia, AGF or whatever it is, places them on the margins of society. And that society will accommodate them to a degree, but that compassion has also to be directed to the vast majority who do not suffer from these conditions. 
Compassion for all would mean the majority of us can continue with our lives as they are: segregated by sex when it matters, and those with these conditions can be offered help in the form of mental tools and techniques if they want them and are willing to practice them.
Compassion and equanimity need to be supported by wisdom.’

A J
A J
1 day ago

It’s the phrase “Be Kind” that I find problematic. I’ve seen it on t shirts for little girls (but not for boys), and it’s routinely added to the end of social media posts which are admonishing someone for their legal views “#bekind”.

It’s actually an imperative, isn’t it? It’s not advice, or a request, or a suggestion; it’s an order. And sometimes there’s an implicit threat: “Be Kind, or else”. The Else is often getting fired or cancelled for caring about the wrong group of people (women instead of men who think they’re women, usually).

Thanks for this article. I found it refreshing to read about virtue, sin and morality in a mainstream context. It’s quite concerning how morally empty public discourse has become.

Kindness needs to be supported by wisdom. Being kind to someone who is about walk into busy traffic (“you do you! I support your choice!”) is not virtuous. Grabbing hold of them, getting them to a place of safety and accessing support for them, is.

David Morley
David Morley
3 days ago

The closest the school comes to any of these is its humble request that the students “accept responsibility”.

I thought this was at least positive. Our current conception of freedom is largely freedom from responsibility – in other words, do as you like. In contrast to freedom as autonomy, in which you are responsible for your choices. I think a lot of peoples view of virtue would be far simpler than the author suggests. It’s “boring” – it stops me just doing what I want.

Norfolk Sceptic
Norfolk Sceptic
3 days ago
Reply to  David Morley

Following on from Responsibility is Accountability, where Traceability is useful, if you have it, but not too much of it! 🙂

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
3 days ago

I’m glad I didn’t grow up in this household. Not even into double figures and getting lectured by your old man about bible concepts such as sin and virtue sounds incredibly tedious.
When I was 9 I still believed when I grew up I’d be scoring the winning goal at Wembley in May, then opening the batting at Lords in June. The last thing I’d have been interested in was some philosophical argument about the meaning of being virtuous. As long as you they know right from wrong just let kids be kids. Life gets tedious enough when you’re an adult, don’t try and project that onto your children!

Brett H
Brett H
3 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

“As long as you they know right from wrong ,,,.”
How do you think that happens?

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

Easy. Tell them when they’ve done something good, tell them off when they’ve done something bad. Kids are bright they soon work it out

Brett H
Brett H
3 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

So what’s the difference between that and talking about virtues?

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

A long winded discussion about virtuous behaviour and the reasons for it are a world away from a simple “good boy/girl” when they’ve done something well

Brett H
Brett H
3 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Where do you think you got your ideas of right and wrong from that you pass on?

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

It sure as hell wasn’t religious leaders, who simply took the various aspects of human nature and used them to try to control others.
The instincts which grew around early human societies were perfectly understood without needing to be taken up as a means of oppression. “Be kind” is now being used as one such means. I’m inclined to say: “Don’t be mean…”

David Morley
David Morley
3 days ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

The instincts which grew around early human societies were perfectly understood without needing to be taken up as a means of oppression.

Which societies were those? Traditional societies (ones that were once called primitive) are extremely rule laden and oppressive, as well as being resistant to innovation . The weight of tradition lies heavy in these societies and the amount of individual freedom is small.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

My parents mostly and society in general. However the ideas of right and wrong are very subjective.
I have a much more (shall we say) flexible approach to the law than my missus, however I certainly wouldn’t class her as more virtuous than myself as I’m generally much more likely to go out of my way and do people a favour..
Likewise growing up I only had one mate whose grandparents went to church, and his Grandad just so happened to be the most cantankerous old git you could wish to meet. If a kid kicked a football over his fence he’d keep it etc and he’d never helped anybody in his life. His other Grandad on the other hand was an old rogue who drank, smoked and gambled away merrily but would give you the shirt off his back.
To imply that right and wrong or being virtuous is as simple as it being black and white as written in the bible is in my eyes overly simplistic

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
3 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

The essay doesn’t claim that ”being virtuous is as simple as .. black and white as written in the Bible.”
Sounds like you didn’t read the essay, or understand it, and that you are being overly simplistic and moralizing yourself.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
2 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I disagree that all ideas of right and wrong are subjective; I think there are moral absolutes as well as relative values.
I think we need to be careful with tolerance and examine what we are tolerating. Blanket tolerance can be damaging to society.

Claire D
Claire D
2 days ago
Reply to  Judy Johnson

I agree with you, I do not like moral relativism.

The words ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ are both Old English (Anglo-Saxon) words, in fact so is ‘and’, Their origin is lost in the mists of time but essentially early forms of Germanic and Scandinavian languages.
So, it appears, the idea of “right and wrong” goes back at least to those pagan times in pre-history.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
2 days ago
Reply to  Claire D

Exponentially farther back I’d say. Even other primates have social standards of conduct, however imperfectly observed. They steal from and attack one another, but not all of them do so, and there are rituals of shaming, punishing, and making amends among chimpanzees, for example.

Norfolk Sceptic
Norfolk Sceptic
3 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Learn about Sin and Virtue, along with the Old Testament characters, and it becomes a story. It’s a story that is very fulfilling, especially if you are only 5 and eager to know what going on in the outside world.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
3 days ago

It’s a collection of stories, nothing more nothing less. No 5 year old is interested in God murdering thousands of people unless it’s forced on them by the adults in their life

Brett H
Brett H
3 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Strawman,

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

I preferred PacMan

Laura Creighton
Laura Creighton
3 days ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

5 year olds must be different where you live. Around here there is enormous demand for any sort of bloody story — Biblical or Bluebeard doesn’t matter.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
3 days ago

Kids love a violent story, be they tyrannical kings or hordes of rampaging Vikings. However they like the violence and blood and gore because it’s exciting, they’ve no interest in the supposed morals behind any such story

Matt Woodsmith
Matt Woodsmith
3 days ago

Great piece, exactly what I come to Unherd for – unusual, well written articles I wouldn’t get elsewhere!

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 days ago

I agree with a lot of this particularly about enriching our education with more complex moral concepts then ” be kind ” but I would urge a bit of caution here too. We could over indulge ourselves on these complex and powerful concepts also.
Is it maybe enough to take the kids to church and set a reasonably good example ?
My concern is we could end up up being overly verbose with our children and that parent role carries a lot of weight.
Maybe it depends on the kid. I grew up in a home with long circular discussions about everything. Sure it got me thinking and seeking answers but it was all a bit intense too.
Not trying to compare my experiences here with the author , just to see keep it light, be there for them and set a good example

Martin Rossol
Martin Rossol
2 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

More is ‘caught’ then ‘taught’.

Nunya Business
Nunya Business
2 days ago

Really enjoyed this article, thoughtful and insightful with just the right level of personal story.
It’s also worth noting that a school deeming anything to be ‘kool’ can often cause it to become the opposite. Even the biggest goody-two-shoes knows in their heart that teachers, schools, and authority figures aren’t cool. Coolness is a moving force; trends dip and trough, what’s cool today won’t be cool tomorrow. So why describe such an important value as ephemeral and optional?
It’s like when a certain kind of internet feminist used to say ‘Consent is sexy!’ back in the 2010s. Surely consent to sex is non-negotiable? Dressing something so fundamentally essential to civil society in glossy adjectives serves to make your cause look pitiful rather than noble.

Frederique Patterson
Frederique Patterson
2 days ago

Would you agree that when you indoctrinate children to believe that “Words are violence” but “Actual” acts of violence are done out of “Kindness” means that they’re being indoctrinated to commit Genocide? China used the children to spy on their parents, who were then sent to re-education camps. On 7/10 people committed intimate & medieval acts of barbarism with complete & utter glee & were commended for it by the West – & – lest we forget we need to remember the number of victims killed by their own governments & got away with it without a single apology:

Stalin 20-60 million
Russia 60-70 million
Mao 100 million

I listened to a shopkeeper from Cambodia who spoke about how he was arrested & then made to eat & lick off the floor his own excrement during his captivity.

During 2WW in France you wanted someone’s business or a divorce no problem – you just needed to accuse the said person of being a « Collaborator » no trial needed.

David Morley
David Morley
3 days ago

the times when kindness wasn’t nearly enough, and I had to summon the courage to be unkind in order to do what was right.

Perhaps it is better to say that one should be as kind as possible (or appropriate) consistent with doing the right thing. That’s why one should stand up for oneself, but not be needlessly vengeful.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
2 days ago
Reply to  David Morley

It may seem like splitting hairs (again) but I think retribution should always be resisted. Fighting back and jisy comeuppance seem a bit different than vengefulness.

“Vengeance is Mine; I will repay” —YHWH

Steven Somsen
Steven Somsen
3 days ago

Lots of good in this article. Still morality is a difficult concept. For me the question is: is something life-supportive or life-destructive? For me it is about the adventure of evolving awareness of who I am and what life is. This is a exploration which needs maximum freedom. ‘Sinning’ is inevitable in the process. Repenting is grinding out the gifts of power, experiential knowledge, learning, understanding. Tough.

Graham Cunningham
Graham Cunningham
3 days ago

And it’s not just Virtue & Sin….Given our current typical schooling culture, most adults would I think lament – to some extent at least – the decline of the schoolroom’s traditional function (at its best) as the inculcator of a ‘hidden curriculum’ of discipline, punctuality and knowing when to sit still etc. https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/teach-your-children-well

Laura Pritchard
Laura Pritchard
3 days ago

I appreciate the motives behind this essay but I’m dubious about looking into the past and presuming that the philosophies used were wholly for good. They weren’t. Even if those that came up with them or debated and wrote about them in great detail had good intentions, most of these ideas were applied as tools of power for one group to oppress another and then claim superiority of some sort if called out.
Concepts are great. But suggesting they all had it great back in the day and we’re much more worse off now is an endemic infection within people who’ve got the time and the money to worry about whether their kids are being given the right message at their private kindergarten.

Adam Bartlett
Adam Bartlett
3 days ago

Great article, kudo’s for making the controversal point on the importance of facing up to one’s sin. Also liked the point about neccessity for a mix of virtues. As you say “wherever you have Virtue, you also have Sin.” This is one of the themes of the Warhammer movie (‘Out of light darkness, and out of darkness, Light’). Or for those up for a heavy read, it’s treated magisterally in Pope Benedict’s Caritas in veritate, where even Love is shown as being vulnerable to corruption if one lacks other virtues.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
3 days ago

Of course, “Love thy neighbor” is the fundamental genius of the teachings of Jesus. But it’s a bit awkward, rhetorically, especially for small children. “Be kind” seems like a pretty good place to start.
The author is free to raise his kids as he sees fit. But the concept of Sin, as taught in Catholic schools, is one of the major reasons that so many people I know left their Catholicism behind and never looked back.

Simon Templar
Simon Templar
2 days ago

I’m not sure what you object to regarding teaching about sin. In Romans 7:14-15 Paul describes sin in this way.
“For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. ”
In other words, we try to follow good habits but something in us rebels and we do things we regret. This is a universal human experience. However, pride can work in us to harden our conscience so that we lie or justify our wrongdoing. Kindness then, has more to do with helping someone who is battling a sin by giving them some grace. It requires a common frame of reference about what sin is. How about, “Always tell the truth, or if you don’t know, say you don’t know.” Telling the truth is good, but it is not always kind.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
2 days ago

That is an interesting observation about leaving Catholicism. I am not sure why people insist they do not sin while not thinking they are perfect either – the only other alternative. Is it the attitude of Catholicism towards sin? I thought Catholics believe in forgiveness.

Martin M
Martin M
1 day ago
Reply to  Judy Johnson

Catholics SAY they believe in forgiveness, but in the real world, their forgiveness is in very short supply.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
15 hours ago
Reply to  Martin M

The fact that they have confession through an intermediary who directs acts of penance suggests salvation through ‘faith plus works’ rather than ‘faith plus nothing’ as protestans believe and the works are a by product of recieving forgiveness.

Mark S
Mark S
3 days ago

“But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’” “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18‬:‭16‬-‭27‬ ‭NIV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/111/luk.18.16-27.NIV

Ian Wigg
Ian Wigg
2 days ago
Reply to  Mark S

Basically Jesus was saying “Own nothing and you’ll be happy.”

Now where have I heard that before?

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
2 days ago
Reply to  Ian Wigg

Nah, he’s saying don’t let things own you.

Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 day ago
Reply to  Ian Wigg

Brett has a grip on it. You keep the commandments but worship your possessions. You may as well have committed adultery.

Ian Wigg
Ian Wigg
10 hours ago
Reply to  Sisyphus Jones

But how does this redistribution of wealth actually work in practice?

Let’s say that I’m very wealthy with lots of valuable possessions. If I simply give them away to poor people they will need to sell them to convert them into useable cash which means they simply increase someone elses wealth. Ditto if I sell
fhem and redistribute the cash.

The churches answer (along with many other religions) always seems to be “Give them to us and we’ll get round to distributing the wealth but until we do we’ll enrich ourselves with it.)

Dee Harris
Dee Harris
3 days ago

And don’t forget that sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind…

Bored Writer
Bored Writer
2 days ago

Dear god (pun intended) I really feel for the children of these religious nutters. When I was a kid and did something to wilfully hurtful either an animal or a person (espescially an animal) I got a whack that really hurt. I didn’t need some sort of pseudo intellectual discussion based on a fabrication to realise I’d been a shit. These people will keep therapists in business until the end of days.

Will D. Mann
Will D. Mann
2 days ago

” Good”, “Evil”, “Virtue”, are all abstract human inventions to help us rub along together without too much fuss, if it works who cares how these concepts are presented to us.

Helen Nevitt
Helen Nevitt
2 days ago

Aren’t confessions meant to be completely private? It’s decades since I’ve been but even as children we had to burn them when we got home.

Bad Captain
Bad Captain
1 day ago

Excellent article – I don’t agree with everything, but clearly hit a nerve! Well done.
I feel like a lot of people commenting have lost the plot and are getting hung up on the terms “virtue” and “sin”. You could just as easily replace them with “cultural values” as all societies define right and wrong in very different ways.
Which leads to me where things could tightened things up a bit. Contrary to what is implied, there are no universal values. As humans, we all share survival drives (sex, sustenance, status), but once you get past these basics, there aren’t any commonalities that are truly universal. And we definitely don’t want to live in a society where these universals are the priority.
Each culture and society defines these different – many use religion, some use philosophy or other influences, but values are the operating system for humans within a cultural context. The genius of the American experiment is that our Founders articulated a basic set of values that were meant to drive long term growth and stability.
However, that doesn’t these values are “right” – much like any engineering challenge, values come with tradeoffs. You want stability? Well, you’ll have to give up some dynamism. You want long-term growth? you’ll need to prioritize certain behaviors over short term gains. But it’s simply ignorant and ahistorical to claim “all people want the same things” (which is the usual starting point for the vacuous slogans like “be kind”)
Which brings to me to my second complaint – the author (and several commenters) have claimed they want to retain kindness in our society. I would argue kindness is a technique, not a value.
But more importantly, can someone offer an operating definition of “kindness” ? Is it kind to yell rudely and shove someone who is about to be struck? Or is kind to use soft, fluffy words to avoid telling someone a harsh truth? I could go on, but the point should be clear –
WHAT IS KINDNESS? Please offer a clear definition that is actionable and understandable, ideally less than a paragraph.
One thing – I guarantee whatever you define it as, will not be accepted by a majority of the world. That doesn’t mean your definition wrong, it just means you have a lot convincing to do.

Last edited 1 day ago by Bad Captain
Rory Hoipkemier
Rory Hoipkemier
1 day ago

We’ve moved from “value neutral’ education to “be kind” education, both euphemisms for whatever the left-leaning hierarchy wants to promote. Only that which conforms to their standards were value neutral (an impossibility) or are kind. A really fine article, thoughtful and clear and genuinely helpful.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
4 days ago

If this is an essay by someone who’s not previously thought a great deal about human nature, but is now trying hard to do so to help his children come to terms with growing up, then it can be taken at face value. It’s something all parents (all “good” parents?) would wish to take on board.
However… there’s a a heck of a lot of confusion within the essay, and it’s as if the writer is trying to work something out during the course of writing it. Its value is therefore rather limited, except as a kind of parable of decent parenthood.
To begin with, i have an inherent issue with the capitalisation of words like Sin and Virtue. We all know what’s meant by sin and virtue, but i balk at the way these terms can be used in anything other than a normative sense, to imply something that exists independently of our perceptions of them. At least the writer didn’t use the term Original Sin, although he came perilously close with:

To be human is to be in a constant state of Sin.

Actually, to be human is simply to be in a constant state of being human. I feel as if i should repeat that, to emphasise it, and to differentiate between the sentence taken from the essay.
There are other clues in the essay, such as the “years of therapy” and:

…a healthy body may be engaged in deeply immoral activities. (And, no, I’m not just talking about sex.)

which would suggest an upbringing which engendered shame for perfectly normal physical functioning and again, which the writer may still be seeking to come to terms with as his tries his best to introduce his children to the “grown up” world.
I wish Tim DeRoche all the very best in his quest to do the right thing by his young family. It’s not easy, is it? Any parent will know how it is. When bringing up one’s own children, we become more aware of some of the issues which arose in our own upbringing which our own parents struggled with. That particular insight – that our own parents were “all too human” after all – is an important one. Perfect parenting isn’t possible, and i feel it’s even more important not to beat oneself up when falling short of an ideal; ideals which come about through the capitalisation of words which puts them beyond the context they’re intended for.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
3 days ago

The concepts of “sin” and ‘forgiveness” are poisonous, controlling psycho-viruses best kept well away from children’s minds.

Brett H
Brett H
3 days ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Why?

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

I suppose it’s a cultural thing: my culture teaches children ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, ‘wrong’ having the deterrent of possible punishment whether from their peers, parents or society – the State.
Other cultures indoctrinate their children that they are ‘wrong’, born ‘wrong’ and always will be ‘wrong’. But no worries: tell a special man in secret all your ‘wrongs’ and he will ensure that you will not be punished and will have a clean slate.
Take your pick, opinions vary, mine is above.

Sylvia Volk
Sylvia Volk
3 days ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Hello, Gordon. You’re talking about Christianity. It’s easy to look at something from the outside, see what’s bad about it, and go no further. I grew up in Catholicism and what it taught me was that I could go wrong, but I could also do right, that it was up to me, that if I did the wrong things the main outcome would be that I’d dislike myself. If I behave virtuously, I like myself; I’m at peace with myself.
It’s a reward no one else can grant, because it’s all up to me. I learned that in childhood. As an adult, I know that’s also the way to live a good life. I like myself, and other people like me too, and my life is better for it.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
3 days ago
Reply to  Sylvia Volk

Thank you Sylvia: what Catholicism taught you is precisely identical to what my Humanism would have taught you: that’s interesting …..

Sylvia Volk
Sylvia Volk
3 days ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Yes, that’s very interesting. No set of ideas exists in isolation, though.

Andrew Sweeney
Andrew Sweeney
3 days ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

You are so wrong, to the extent that I think you are a problem for us all.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
3 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Sweeney

Wrong? Strange that half the world, given the chance, would quit their own culture and come to mine … which is a problem for us all.

Simon Templar
Simon Templar
2 days ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

What on earth do you have against forgiveness?

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
2 days ago
Reply to  Simon Templar

Forgiveness has its place somewhere on the appeasement – retribution spectrum: it’s an adult thing: with children it usually just means appeasement which is not always a good lesson.

Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 day ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

You’re going to die and be judged. Not believing it is not going to insulate you from it any more than not believing in emphysema is going to permit you to smoke three packs a day.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 days ago

For goodness sake, the classroom sign in the classroom about kindness (a virtue )is banal because the kids are five -years -old.! The kids are also taught to take responsibility for their actions (a virtue) If the child is being bad, the teacher tells them he is being bad. (Shame). He then apologizes to another child (forgiveness). The writer seems to be obsessed about kindness. He doesn’t seem to know what goes on in a classroom. He seems to think that a five -year-old can understand what he is saying. A child doesn’t understand abstract thinking—that comes with puberty. Lighten up.

Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 day ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

More rainbows!

Saul D
Saul D
2 days ago

Is it a sin not to believe? Is it a sin to stop believing? Is it a sin to believe in something different?
Is it a virtue to sacrifice yourself? Is it a virtue to sacrifice yourself to defend what you believe? Is it a virtue to sacrifice yourself for what you believe?
Sin and virtue are superficially strong – who can disagree with do not sin, or live a virtuous life – but they are easily manipulated into acts of harm – the good soldier, virtuous in his dedication to the fight against those living in sin.
Be Kind at least brings a sense of tolerance, empathy and mercy. But, as the author suggests, it is not sufficient. It cedes power, and there are genuine times when it is necessary to stand up against oppression. ‘Play Fair’ and ‘Act Justly’ are needed, at least, to balance the equation.

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2 days ago

Agreed there’s been a lot done around quite varied notions of virtue but very little of it has had anything to do with sin..That’s in another bin and if you want to reassurect it for consideration you’ll have to find a better way to do that than this.

Virtue is about being able to do something well. Whatever. Sin is about doing something against a certain code, whether well or badly.. Asymmetric.

Gordon Arta
Gordon Arta
1 day ago

Great, let’s burden our children with ‘sin’, that will certainly help them grow and develop. Aren’t enough Catholics already consumed by guilt and anguish by these half-baked superstitious religious dogmas?

Bad Captain
Bad Captain
1 day ago
Reply to  Gordon Arta

Yes, it’s much better that they be unburdened by a sense of right and wrong.

Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 day ago
Reply to  Gordon Arta

Oh, but they are already burdened by sin. We all are. Some people are doubly burdened by sin and moral relativism.

Paul Rodolf
Paul Rodolf
1 day ago

My gripe is that we are somehow faced with the binary notion that virtue and morality stem from religion and that is the only place to find and teach it. I prefer the secular framework of the stoics over religion based mores.