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We need to talk about violent speech Being silenced has its perks

Riot police gather in Rotherham (Christopher Furlong/Getty Images)

Riot police gather in Rotherham (Christopher Furlong/Getty Images)


August 22, 2024   5 mins

As the British justice system continues to lock up overzealous keyboard warriors linked to the riots, and as free speech “warriors” respond with dystopian grumblings about an Orwellian police state, we find ourselves in a strange situation. Put to one side the well-rehearsed posturing concerning double-standards, duplicity and context — and beneath the glare of the black screen lies a point of shared conceptual agreement. Across the political spectrum, under certain circumstances, it is now accepted that speech can indeed be violent.

But should this development be welcomed?

Back in the Sixties, an overly romanticised moment of revolutionary fervour when some intellectuals even garnered rock-star appeal (at least in French cafes), there was an open assault on language and its connection to how we understand the world. Spearheaded by great thinkers such as Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida, what was seen as the important marker of any shared civilisation — the language which sets us apart from more barbarous animals, as Aristotle mused — was no longer taken as given. The sentences people used were not simply learned, but the outcome of a fractious historical battle that would often normalise systems of oppression, subjugation and hidden forms of violence. In short, what was and was not said could both be boiled down to one single word: power.

As the politicisation of language has continued apace, addressing its inherent power has become a dominant preoccupation for all manner of social commentators. In short, if a claim’s legitimacy is really about the power to impose verifiable truths, everything that passes as truthful is ultimately a matter of perspective. It is no coincidence that the oft-cited phrase “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter” has become part of standard political fare

The problem with perspective, however, is that no two people ever experience the same event in an identical way. Moreover, even within “post-modernist” circles, there was some warning against a slide into a purely subjective abyss where the truthfulness of language risked losing all meaning. This was particularly acute when it came to the most emotive of all words: “violence”. Hannah Arendt, for instance, was at pains to argue that words needed to mean very specific things; so when we spoke of violence, we really meant physical violence and the very denial of one’s humanity. Likewise Frantz Fanon held that to speak of violence means speaking of some kind of “intention”.

Intention, however, is no less fraught. As terrorism experts have appreciated for quite some time, motivation is very difficult to prove. Should a person have training manuals for al-Qaeda, enough peroxide to blow up a shopping mall and just so happen to be communicating their hatred for the West, accusations of intention can draw upon laws of probability, as has been the case. But such cases are a rarity. So, as the widening security net during the War on Terror showed, once language becomes securitised and bad deeds linked to claims of extremism marked with intent, the trawler tends to reach wider and pull in those whose words could easily be read as simply ill-considered.

Underwriting the securitisation of language tends to be a neat correlationism, which draws a clear line between what is said and what will be enacted. But for intention to work, should somebody say they want to burn down the house, it has to be assumed that they are indeed intending at some point in their lives to have that house burnt to the ground. Fantasy thus becomes the pre-emptive proof of a reality that should not be left to chance. Regarding the recent case of Julie Sweeney, then, her call to blow up a mosque was no doubt revealing of her rather unsavoury character, which would no doubt warrant a custodial sentence under pre-existing legislation. Yet whether we should call her a would-be mass killer is more open to debate.

It would be foolish to deny that speech can occasionally incite violence and words can undoubtedly be wounding. This needs to be accounted for and persons brought to task for harmful things they have said. But if we are dealing with perception — and recognise that perception matters both in the articulation of truth and whether our words will be believed — we also need to contend with what the comedian Chris Rock brilliantly called “selective outrage”. Whether we agree with what’s said or not, there is a perception in society today that the angry words of some are always presented as threatening and divisive, whereas others would be presented as the most reasoned, just and legitimate of all positions. This was pretty much the argument presented by the radical thinkers of the Sixties, but has mostly now been turned on its head.

Which brings us back to power. It’s worth stressing here that there has never been such a thing as a golden age of free speech. Just as culture has always been a battlefield (sorry to disappoint, but there’s nothing new about the culture wars), so language has always been policed. Our task, then, is to ask who is doing the policing, and in whose name does it serve. Alongside this, we need to be mindful of the climate in which the words are spoken. Or as a comedian might say: timing is everything.

“There has never been such a thing as a golden age of free speech.”

In the post-9/11 environment and the mass acceleration of what Manuel Castells called “the information and communications revolutions”, three developments have made today’s climate notably fraught. Firstly, the fragmentation of societies into multiple identity-based groups enabled by social media has transformed the spoken-word landscape in ways that would have been inconceivable a few decades ago. Partly inspired by the Sixties’ notion that speech and thoughts should be freed from the moral entrapments of the suffocating nation state, many welcomed the internet as a means for democratising language. Yet, as we have found, there is nothing preferable to having everybody say whatever they want, whenever they choose to do so, to whomsoever may be listening. Indeed, if the famous post-colonial scholar Gayatri Chakravotri Spivak could rightly ask “Can the subaltern speak?” just before the dawn of the digital age, it is dubious whether that assertion holds today. Billons now speak of everything, to nobody in particular, all of the time.

Secondly, the culture of the internet has fuelled a marked shift in political contestation, which has notably resulted in a social culture that’s moved from victim-blaming to victim-claiming. The battle lines in politics today are all about who is the greatest victim of history. Trump even played to this when he told Americans for the first time “you are no longer great”, but assured them he could remedy that. Much of this sense of victimisation has absolutely depended upon a broadening of our understanding of violence, which has come to mean so much more than physical force. While this is to be welcomed — ask victims of domestic abuse about the violence of psychological terror — it has raised its problems of its own. After all, if everyone is a victim, who do we prioritise? Do white people, for example, have any right to use the language of victims of history?

And thirdly for Castells, most challenging of all has been the many ways in which most people now simultaneously occupy two worlds and seem utterly incapable of reconciling them both. As we walk down physical streets with devices in our hands that already place them elsewhere, or politely order decaffeinated coffee while verbally assassinating somebody on social media, it seems we are caught in a schizophrenic bind.

The result, as so many of us know well, is the hyper-arousal of the human condition. Here we have a peculiar situation in which people can say whatever comes into their minds without any filter or hesitation, and what is received leads to an equation in which emotion is linked to some unequivocal truth. I am not suggesting emotions are irrelevant. But just because something is said or felt in the heat of a moment, doesn’t necessarily make it a universal truth.

And this has important repercussions for our understanding of violence. For today, just as we’re told that whatever we say can be understood by others as violence, so too are we told that “silence is violence”. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

Yet while the ability to silence voices remains a hallmark of totalitarian projects, I am suspicious that such a claim holds. Our problem, by contrast, is that we don’t know when to be silent, so that something meaningful may be said amid the digital circus. Even more disturbingly, if everything said or indeed everything unsaid now amounts to a potential act of violence, forming any judgements — political or moral — will surely become impossible. And who could live with such a burden?


Professor Brad Evans holds a Chair in Political Violence & Aesthetics at the University of Bath. His book, How Black Was My Valley: Poverty and Abandonment in a Post-Industrial Heartland, is published with Repeater Books.


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Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
23 days ago

A ‘hallmark of a totalitarian project’ is when people are visited by the police – or charged with crimes and put in jail – for saying things that are unpopular, unwise, or untrue, but are not traditionally criminal in nature (for example uttering threats). This becomes more obvious when other people who are from a group or ideology favoured by the government are saying things that are equally bad – or worse – without any repercussions. The bar for criminal speech should be set very high – and should be seldom used. It is quite clear that a new form of progressive authoritarianism is taking place across the western world with the goal of silencing dissident voices who oppose the progressive agenda. “Misinformation” “Disinformation” “Stochastic Terrorism” “Cheapfakes” etc. This is of course a dangerous game to play – because once you remove individual liberties they are likely gone forever – and then you really must hold on to power or suffer the fate of your enemies.

Seb Dakin
Seb Dakin
23 days ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Well said.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
23 days ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Quite. If you write something off-colour online and you’re on the unfashionable side of the ideological divide, you get a visit from the police or a spell behind bars. If you say something off-colour online and you’re on the “right” side of the ideological divide, you get promoted to Foreign Secretary.
Lost all interest in the article when the author wrote of “posturing concerning double standards” in the first paragraph and came straight to comments. If you can’t acknowledge that there are double standards going on here and use words like “posturing” to discredit the people calling them out, then you can forget the entire discussion, it’s worthless.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
23 days ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

I’ve often wondered whether Brexiteers could collectively sue Lammy for defamation in calling us worse than Nazis.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
23 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

You cant defame a group of more than 12 people

RA Znayder
RA Znayder
23 days ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

An even better hallmark of totalitarianism is when one cannot say things that are, in fact, true. That is also a good way to figure out how power structures actually function: what are some simple things you are not supposed to discuss and why?
And repression doesn’t always have to be done through the state apparatus, being ostracized for certain opinions can also be enough to shut certain views down.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
23 days ago
Reply to  RA Znayder

If you want to find out who is in charge just ask yourself who you are not allowed to criticise. The forthcoming blasphemy laws will, I suspect, leave us in no doubt.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
23 days ago

Regarding the recent case of Julie Sweeney, then, her call to blow up a mosque was no doubt revealing of her rather unsavoury character, which would no doubt warrant a custodial sentence under pre-existing legislation. Yet whether we should call her a would-be mass killer is more open to debate.

There’s a lot to unpack in this essay, but this particular point is one that i argued in Comments last week and it’s interesting to see the author of this piece using it to elucidate the complex issues of ‘violence’ in speech.
I argued that Sweeney’s remarks were not death threats. It was our resident troll, Champagne Socialist, who was unable to see the possibility the remarks were anything but death threats. The author is right, in that those remarks “would no doubt warrant a custodial sentence under pre-existing legislation” (even if the length of sentence can be debated) but he invokes ‘intention’ i.e. would Sweeney have carried out the act of violence she posted about, or even wished someone else to actually do so, rather than just making a very ill-considered remark to make herself look part of what she saw as ‘her crowd’? And how does this differ from those chanting “From the river to the sea” and displaying banners with the same blood-curdling idea?
This is very much the pivot point upon which the balance of our culture rests. I agree with the author: there have always been culture wars; there has never been a golden age of free speech; it’s that the forum has now become magnified to include everyone who can wield a smartphone.
In times past, it might have been clerics arguing over the actuality of matters such as transubstantiation. Martyrs were made on the basis of such points. How do we negotiate our future when it seems there’s a cleave in the way our brains are wired, between those who see the world in a fundamentalist sense, and those who don’t feel the need to do so? We have, in fact, been here before and survived, only for the same cleave to re-emerge anew in the internet age.
Essays such as this one are important in requiring us to consider more carefully how we conduct ourselves online, which as the author says, is quite often a form of alter ego. We really do need to try to understand ourselves better.

Right-Wing Hippie
Right-Wing Hippie
23 days ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

C.S. Lewis had Screwtape advise Wormwood that one of the best ways to foster enmity among humans was to insist that they interpret others’ remarks in the most literal, least charitable manner possible while demanding that their own remarks be interpreted in the most charitable manner possible.
As to the “golden age” of free speech, of course there’s never been one. The difference between now and then is, then people held free speech up as a worthy ideal to be pursued, even if they acknowledged it was unattainable; now, however, people don’t even regard it as a worthy ideal.

j watson
j watson
23 days ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

Agree a useful thought provoking article. However I would contend the Sweeney sentence can’t be separated from the contagion concern. It seems inevitable the Justice system will move it’s threshold when broader law and order at major risk. Take away that context she probably gets a caution at best. However just to ponder it a little more – what if thousands convey what she did at the around the same time – what influence might that have on actions even if she had no intention of follow through? Is that then ok? I don’t think it’s straight-forward.
As regards ‘River to the Sea’ – it’s more debatable how much of a threat this is and open to different interpretations. I think it’s ignorant and wrong and certainly some mean it v much as a threat, but it’s not as direct a call to violence as Sweeney’s. We have to have some powers of differentiation.
Anjem Choudary has been locked up for on-line incitement and v glad of that.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
23 days ago
Reply to  j watson

I can agree on the point about incitement, but if our legal system isn’t to become even more debased, sentencing surely can’t depend on anything other than parity before the law, not on whether Starmer needs to assert himself.

The judicial system, otherwise, simply becomes a tool of repression and i’m absolutely certain that’s not a slippery slope we should be heading down.

As for parity, Choudary has spent decades ignoring the law to foment violence.

j watson
j watson
21 days ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

The 2011 summer riots saw the Justice system move it’s sentencing threshold/leniency for a period to stop contagion. I think occasionally that necessary because a greater good at stake. Much the same happened now. The convictions and sentences remains all within the law but clearly on the firmest end of the sentencing to send a message.
Agree on Choudary. Been imprisoned before and then released though. However done it again so back you go for an extended stretch.

Brett H
Brett H
22 days ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

“And how does this differ from those chanting “From the river to the sea” and displaying banners with the same blood-curdling idea?”
Its interesting, assuming they know what “From the river … “ means, that they never actually say “Death to the jews”, possibly because it’s a bridge too far and they know it. So, assuming I have a point, words still contain powerful and recognised meanings and these people play around the edge of meaning.

j watson
j watson
21 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

It’s a more debatable point BH. Some chant it without really understanding and are just ignorant about middle east History. Some hold the view Israel should never have been created. Some Jews hold that view and did at the time of Israel’s creation, so in itself it’s not incitement. But some do mean it in a more genocidal way. The difficultly is knowing which.
Of course a hotel should be burnt to the ground with all the people in it somewhat more direct. If the chanters of FTRTTS has also posted let’s burn down that synagogue and all the people in it then yes lock em up.

Peter D
Peter D
23 days ago

Interesting article. People should tell the truth, as they see it; but it is still different from a fact. And we really need to remember that there is a difference. Lately, I get the feeling that a crime is only a crime when a white man does it. To me this may be a truth, but it is not a fact. When I see how demonised white men are portrayed in the media, it enhances this personal truth.
Since Harry Potter came out, I don’t think that there has been a new white male hero character brought out in either book, TV or film. While I could be wrong, not one character springs to mind at all. Every white male is either an idiot or a fool, an evil villain, or just plain ineffectual. Most new female characters are basically your standard male character but cast or written as a woman, and/or non white.
If you say words are violence. I would say this this is your starting point, literally.

AC Harper
AC Harper
23 days ago
Reply to  Peter D

People should tell the truth, as they see it; but it is still different from a fact.

Quite so. Derek Sivers has recently published ‘Useful Not True’ in which he makes the distinction between scientific fact (which may be confirmed by many people or even automatic devices) and the truth value of beliefs. He argues that almost all beliefs do not contain ‘truth as in scientific fact’ but may never-the-less be useful in navigating life.
We used to bumble along with people believing in one god or another or none. One political ideology or another or none. One diet or another. But now everyone can communicate the core of their beliefs as ‘truth’, when those beliefs may be no more (at best) than ‘useful’.

Tony Price
Tony Price
23 days ago
Reply to  Peter D

The first Harry Potter book was published in 1997 – 27 years ago. You are talking rot!

Peter D
Peter D
22 days ago
Reply to  Tony Price

Then give me an example, please! Remember, the first edition needs to be after Harry Potter and the bloke needs to be white, male, and play the hero role. In other words, not an idiot.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
22 days ago
Reply to  Peter D

I am sure you could find the odd exception, but what you said is perfectly true.
Which is especially disgusting because, if the US or Western Europe, if war comes, it will again be white men being pushed to the front of the queue.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
23 days ago

Words are not now nor have they ever been violence.

Can they spur someone to violence? Maybe. But the responsibility for that falls on the listener, not the speaker. I have free will. I must choose the good, and if I choose evil, then I must bear the consequence on my action.

And isn’t that to some degree what society has become – who can I make the scapegoat for my bad behavior?

Right-Wing Hippie
Right-Wing Hippie
23 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Perhaps the government should just cut out the middleman and ship everybody a goat they can point the finger at when they screw up. “It wasn’t me; it was the goat!” It can’t be more of a misuse of taxpayer money than any other rathole they’ve poured revenue down recently, and I’d be in favor of it provided I got one of those cool fainting goats. I could train it to pass out whenever I blamed it for something, and then my neighbors would think I was some kind of witch.
More than they already do, I mean.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
23 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Fine, but what if someone uses words to promote society-scale violence eg AH in 20 and 30s Germany, who was apparently a fine orator. Does he bear no responsibility for what the German people did?

A great article BTW.

Vesselina Zaitzeva
Vesselina Zaitzeva
23 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

Do you think it was AH’s speeches as a standalone phenomenon to blame for what was happening in Germany then? Or, rather, his speeches were just a part of an overall policy and the respective measures undertaken by the regime he was at the helm of?
We should not undrestimate the role of the discourse (or the dominating narrative). However, it is important to understand that this narrative becomes powerful only
a) when it becomes part and parcel of an overall policy (imposed by a certain regime); and
b) when the source (or sources) are powerful and amplified enough to have a sway on a big part of the population.
It’s clear that the FB post calling for blowing up a mosque does qualify as incitement to violence. However, this was a post by someone who has little or no influence and she deleted it very quickly, thus additionally reducing the impact of her message.
Handing down a custodial sentence for such an act, however reprehensible it is, instead of just issuing a warning or even a suspended sentence seems rather disproportinate.
Ditto comparing AH’s speeches and their impact on society to the influence that is wielded by someone with, say, a dozen FB followers.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
23 days ago

Of course there was more than AH’s speeches behind what happened in Germany, but it was a part of it. Perhaps if he wasn’t such a good orator he wouldn’t have got his message across, not been elected and not been able to commit the violence that he did?

The point is that the idea that only the listener bears any culpability is naive.

Michael Cavanaugh
Michael Cavanaugh
23 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

Was AH a great orator? Mr Hilter stood on a small balcony in England and did not get quite the same response. What would an orator be without a receptive audience? (William Shirer)

T Doyle
T Doyle
21 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

Who is AH?

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
19 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

I doubt Hitler would’ve arisen in another time and place. Germany and Austria were being crushed by the Versailles treaty, the world was very rapidly changing technologically and politically, and antisemitism was more popular than ever.
Hitler, like Napoleon, Caesar, and Alexander before him, primarily won wars of manoeuver – rapid outflankings, concentrated and highly mobile attacks, and fast, exceptionally well trained shock troops, overwhelming insufficient defenses.
Wars of manoeuver on any large scale are now obsolete, by the existence of heavy missiles and nuclear weapons.

Dylan Blackhurst
Dylan Blackhurst
23 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

I couldn’t agree more.

We appear to have created a society akin to a dysfunctional primary school playground.

Words are just words. A collection of sounds or marks on a piece of paper. They are not violence. Reading or hearing something hurtful is not the same as a punch in the face. If you think it is then you’re an idiot!

Maybe not enough people have experienced actual violence. Maybe that’s it. Without it, they don’t have a realistic barometer for what actual harm looks like and feels like.

I genuinely feel like I’ve slipped into a parallel universe.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
23 days ago

Words may not be violence, but if words are only ever just words why have we had slander and libel laws for decades, if not centuries?

Dylan Blackhurst
Dylan Blackhurst
23 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

But words are not violence.
At all.
Violence is a very different thing.
People are getting suspended sentences and community service for actual sexual assaults and assault. While a person tweets something on social media and gets a custodial sentence. This is madness. Total madness. Can no one see that?!

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
23 days ago

What do you mean by “no one”?
There’s plenty can see that, which is perfectly obvious in these Comments alone. No need for emoting as if you’re the only one to see something.

Dylan Blackhurst
Dylan Blackhurst
23 days ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

Apologies. When I said ‘no one’ I should have said ‘no one that matters’ eg politicians, policy makers, judiciary etc.

Brett H
Brett H
23 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

The point of slander is not that the words are violent but that they are lies.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
23 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

The point is that words do matter, even if they are not violent. Unherd reader and Dylan seem to think they have no consequence, which is no more correct than saying they are violent.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
23 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

No one says words do not matter. But they are not equivalent to violence, which is a point you are either missing or ignoring, neither of which is encouraging.

Brett H
Brett H
23 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

Sorry, I rushed into my comment. I need to rethink everything.

Wilfred Davis
Wilfred Davis
23 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

Slander and libel are still not violence, which is the specific point under discussion.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
23 days ago
Reply to  Wilfred Davis

The point I was responding to was

“But the responsibility for that falls on the listener, not the speaker. I have free will. I must choose the good, and if I choose evil, then I must bear the consequence on my action.”

which is not always the case, see example if AH above.

I liked the article – it has nuance. The OPs response did not.

Vesselina Zaitzeva
Vesselina Zaitzeva
23 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

Libel and slander (at least, in continental Europe) are covered by civil law because they are viewed as a problem between individuals (private-law entities), not a problem for society as a whole.
It is exactly why slander and libel (and are not qualified as crimes to be dealt with by public prosecutors representing the state and qualified as a threat to the entire society.

Joris vd Ven
Joris vd Ven
23 days ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

Slander is wicked, but not violence. It’s perhaps ‘violence’ that needs a good definition, or needs redefining in a world where some (very vocal and, sadly, listened to) people feel insult or voicing an opposing worldview or politics claim is the same as violence.

RA Znayder
RA Znayder
23 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

It seems to me there is a huge grey area of human psychology you skip over. To what degree does the listener have free will? For example, you are not arguing that the many of the most brutal dictators in history are all fundamentally innocent right? Even if they only used words. And what about Manson and other cult leaders, who never carried out any of the crimes themselves but nevertheless brainwashed their followers?
It can be argued that directly inciting someone to do something is not the same as stating an opinion, even if the listener has the power not to carry it out in theory.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
23 days ago
Reply to  RA Znayder

Exactly.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
23 days ago
Reply to  RA Znayder

The most brutal dictators in history did not say mean things about people; they ordered actions, including murders, to be carried out. The listener has complete free will outside of a regimented hierarchy in which orders are issued and followed, and even then, the person is not mandated to follow an unlawful order. That fact is why Joe Biden and most of the Democratic Party have not been rounded up for their repetitive comparisons of Trump to Hitler leading up to an assassination attempt.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
23 days ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Had the Milgram expriment been real, I guess only the subjects would be responsible for the victims deaths then, not the person telling them what to do?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Point of Information
Point of Information
23 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Agree with your opening remark, but circumstances play a part:

– Shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre is often given as an example of an abuse of free speech, but what if there is a fire? Is it a small fire that could be dealt with and you are overreacting? Is it a large fire? Did the theatre designer, architect and manager put in enough fire doors? Your speech is now legally restrained by considerations you may not be fully able to understand.

– Julie Sweeney clearly incited murder – burning adults alive – but she had little political influence. If a popular political leader did the same it would likely have a greater effect but would giving the politician a stiffer sentence be two-tier justice or merely taking probability into account? If your employer, senior officer or priest did so their influence over you might be greater still.

The law doesn’t usually excuse a person for committing a crime because they were influenced by another. The question is whether the encourager should bear some responsibility as well not instead. And whether taking responsibility for encouraging a crime against another person impedes free speech by encouraging those in power to link or identify other kinds of speech with encouragement to commit a crime against a person. For example, neither Farage’s mention of “a two-tier system” nor the Gaza protestors “from the river to the sea” directly call for violence against any person (which Julie Sweeney definitely did) but both are accused by their political opponents of doing exactly that.

Perhaps, if it is not an exageration to say so, the biggest threat to free speech is hyperbole?

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
23 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

What is also noticeable is that, in case of the religion of peace, a) their book is filled with words that encourage violence – against women, gays, other religions – and b) the followers are considerably more likely to be “spurred” into violence – for “insulting” their book, for the crime of being Hindu or Jew, for being girls at a concert…..

So, even if you accept the logic of “words” being violence, there is still a two tier system at work with those being most guilty of it (far more so than White “far right” or Farage) being allowed to get away with it.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
23 days ago

My advice to the author; if you ever consider writing again and find yourself using words like correlationism and contestation – DON’T DO IT!!!! I found his passive writing style and language very distracting.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
23 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Though I tend toward highfalutin speech myself—hope no one’s noticed–I totally agree with you, Jim. “Correlationism” rubbed me wrong too. The style is indeed passive—abstract and evasive too.
Like this doozy: “I am not suggesting emotions are irrelevant. But just because something is said or felt in the heat of a moment, doesn’t necessarily make it a universal truth”.
Why qualify a valid (if obvious) point with “necessarily” or “universal”? Evans lets—ahem—polysyllabic abstractionism get in the way of what could be stronger and more worthwhile claims. Where’s the editor, or sense of self-restraint?

Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs
23 days ago

Calling Foucault and Derrida “great thinkers” is an extremely disturbing endorsement of individuals whose philosophies have contributed significantly to the erosion of Western civilisation.

The problem lies in their reduction of all human interactions to power dynamics, which has done more to foster division and undermine free speech than the advent of the internet and social media has ever done. Instead of promoting constructive discourse, their ideas encourage us to see every conversation as a battle for dominance, stripping away the pursuit of truth. This isn’t to say that these technologies haven’t had an impact, because they certainly have, but they were the petrol thrown on a fire that was started by post-modernist philosophies. In addition – it is widely known that both these individuals were later found to be sexual predators – which is hardly grounds for them to be assigned the mantle “great”.

This raises an important question: Should we really continue to elevate figures whose work has led to such societal decay, especially when their personal lives reflect a blatant disregard for ethical standards?

The governing question then becomes: How do we restore a culture that values free speech and objective truth over the cynical deconstruction of our moral and social fabric?

Supporting facts show that thinkers like Roger Scruton and John Stuart Mill, who emphasise the importance of moral clarity and objective truth, offer a more constructive approach. Their philosophies encourage a society where dialogue is possible without reducing everything to power struggles.

The solution is clear: We must shift our intellectual focus away from postmodern deconstructionists and instead promote the ideas of those who champion the principles necessary for a healthy, functioning society – one where free speech is truly valued and protected.

Brett H
Brett H
23 days ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

The problem is that many will then go on to say define “a healthy, functioning society”.

Vesselina Zaitzeva
Vesselina Zaitzeva
23 days ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

Indeed. When I read that part about Foucault and Derrida described as “great thinkers”, all my doubts about where the author stands evaporated immediately…

Sue Sims
Sue Sims
23 days ago

I’m not sure. While I’d certainly agree that those two philosophers have been very damaging to society and culture, perhaps that very fact makes them ‘great’: it depends whether ‘great’ automatically implies ‘good’. If it merely means ‘extremely influential’, then ‘great’ can be allowed. Could Marx be described as ‘great’? Again, I’m uncertain.

Vesselina Zaitzeva
Vesselina Zaitzeva
23 days ago
Reply to  Sue Sims

Well, in my book, qualifying someone as “great” definitely has a positive connotation – and this is what I cannot agree when it comes to Foucault and Derrida. And Marx, for that matter. They and their teachings have all been extremely harmful.
While I could concede that, in terms of theory, Marx’s was quite consistent and had some explanatory power (only as a theory, once again!), Foucalt and Derrida failed to offer anything like that (in my view).
I think that your suggestion to use “influential” rather than “great” in such cases is very good, as “influential” does not necessarily imply positive influence.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
23 days ago

In current parlance, yes. But I’m told the Great Depression was a net negative, both in material and connotative terms.
Would you allow that influential thinkers whose net effect one considers bad—on my list I’d add Freud to Marx and Foucault et al.—might be correctly called “major”? We still speak of “major catastrophes” in the way terms like “great scourge” were once used.
“Influential” seems a bit weakly stated for Marx and Freud, “major” a bit strong for Foucault and Derrida. It’s true that the overreach of Marx and Freud (and Nietzsche and Hobbes) doesn’t utterly cancel their insights, nor their intellectual greatness. I wouldn’t put any of the postmodernists in their league.
For intelligent adults who read widely: Let the reader beware.

Vesselina Zaitzeva
Vesselina Zaitzeva
23 days ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Great points, thank you.
Well, could we agree that the Great Depression might be viewed rather than an exception (in the context of the article and the comments thereto)? Arguably, it could have been called “the Tremendous Depression”, to convey the scale and the consequences in a more precise manner.
I agree with you drawing a line between “major” and “influential” thinkers and your grouping of the former and the latter into these two categories.
As for adding Freud to the list of influential thinkers, which you rightly did, I would rather put him in a separate category. In terms of influence (major influence ? :-)), you are quite right. In terms of theory, I’d rather make a distinction between him and Marx. The difference being that nothing suggested by Freud has been proven, nor could be proven. I.e., his is not a theory, but rather a system of beliefs (a religion?).
On the other hand, if we are to turn to practice rathe than theory, Marx’s theory has been much more detrimental. (Maybe because at one point it acquired a quasireligious status?)
Lots of things to think about…

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
19 days ago

I see the postmodernists as writers who are often interesting to read, and who perhaps can make critiques with humane intentions, but who are completely disastrous when looked upon to formulate governance.
For that, we need liberal democracy, which depends upon legal equality, due process, property rights, and the free market.
The postmodernists assume a level of malevolence that’s better explained by competence. Neurosurgeons command operating rooms because of their education, training, and experience, for example, and not merely because of the gender (almost exclusively male) nor their race (somewhat less exclusively, white or Asian).
Nor did renaming things grant them the power to perform brain surgery.
Pilots, ships captains, quantitative traders, software executives, and countless other professions are based mostly on competence and skills. And not on languages, nor on gender or race.

RA Znayder
RA Znayder
23 days ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

Well, it’s subjective. Perhaps influential thinkers would have been an appropriate description.

Nietzsche’s “will to power” was a major inspiration for postmodern focus on power dynamics and critique of enlightenment certainty. Foucault in particular basically takes Nietzsche almost as far as you can go. Beyond Good and Evil. Maybe that explains their lifestyle.

However, postmodernists are hardly the first to question Western enlightenment thought and morality. That already happened with romanticism. Yet it’s mostly the modernist movement that produced a crisis in Western civilization making it tremble on its foundations, especially in the early 20th century. Here too Nietzsche played a big role, he is the one that makes us question everything. Postmodernity is a bit of an echo of this period as the name suggests.

Saul D
Saul D
23 days ago

There’s something very gendered about the idea of speech as violence. In traditional male education, young men are routinely abused verbally, but almost as part of a process of toughening them up so they don’t use speech as an excuse to actually get violent – learning to handle taunting, while keeping personal discipline and not crossing the line.
Psychology studies show that while females are less likely to get physically violent, women are more likely to use speech as an attack vector, and they are surprisingly vulnerable to verbal attacks against self-esteem. Calling a man a bad name is like water off a duck’s back, whereas catty remarks to a woman can cause emotional wounds – microaggressions ‘hurt’.
As the developed world continues to feminise, are we seeing power structures shifting, from one of male overt force and displays of power, to more female-style power-scheming where control of speech itself a form of power and control?

Vesselina Zaitzeva
Vesselina Zaitzeva
23 days ago
Reply to  Saul D

As a woman, I strongly agree with you.
And, more generally speaking, being quick to take offence speaks of weakness of character (and very, very thick complexes, too).

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
19 days ago
Reply to  Saul D

The recent Unherd article “Brides of the State” alludes to this.
The speech codes currently stifling every white collar workplace are intended, primarily, to protect the emotional states of women, particularly young women, who have become the majority of recent college grads.

Anthony Roe
Anthony Roe
23 days ago

This is all about class. Anything a white working class man or woman says is always going to be ‘Ill considered’.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
23 days ago

Under the English law of seditious libel it was a criminal offense to publish or otherwise make statements intended to criticize or provoke dissatisfaction with the government. Truth was not a defense and, in fact, made the offense worse. English libel law applied the following maxim: “The greater the truth, the greater the libel” as set out by Lord Mansfield. The same approach was taken to blasphemous libel.

So it is correct that truth historically has not been regarded as a shield to a charge of seditious or blasphemous libel which were only abolished in 2008. Progressive opinion seems eager to return is to to such an authoritarian world where hurtful and harmful words are again regarded as taboo regardless of their truth. In this sense they are less progressive but deeply conservative and authoritarian.

The ideal totalitarian is that depicted in 1984 where Winston Smith is required to intone that 2+2=5. The power of the state must decide what is true regardless of facts. The compelled speech requiring someone to refer to a man who claims to be a woman by female pronouns is precisely the totalitarianism of 1984.

Richard C
Richard C
23 days ago

“Spearheaded by great thinkers such as Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida…”
No point reading any further after such a fatuous elevation of men who have been repeatedly shown to be wrong for 50 years.

Francis Turner
Francis Turner
23 days ago

I only take a fence… out Hunting..

Graeme Archer
Graeme Archer
23 days ago

“Across the political spectrum […]it is now accepted that speech can indeed be violent.”

No, it isn’t. Speech can literally (forgive the pun) never be violent. It can only be metaphorically violent. It is literally impossible for a spoken word to be violent. I’m repeating myself – because I violently disagree with this fundamental assertion. (groan.)

“great thinkers such as Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida”
ahem.

Ian Wigg
Ian Wigg
23 days ago
Reply to  Graeme Archer

I can assure you that, if you find yourself in close and direct line of a stadium pa system, every single syllable from the lead singer is a physical assault. The bass from the nerdy guy at the back edge of the stage can literally cause trouser “enhancing” conditions.

Chris Van Schoor
Chris Van Schoor
23 days ago

Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Ian Wigg
Ian Wigg
23 days ago

Whilst I would agree with you 99%, I have to admit that words spoken to me (spoken softly and without aggression) at the point of one or two relationship endings have hurt “as much (or even more so)” than physical beating.

Words can hurt.

The thing to remember is there’s loads of things out there which can hurt you and you can’t eradicate them all (and you really shouldn’t want to.)

Having your feelings hurt is part of growing up. It’s common across most of the animal (and potentially plant) kingdom.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
23 days ago

Across the political spectrum, under certain circumstances, it is now accepted that speech can indeed be violent.
Of course, it has. By the same people who believe that women can indeed have penises.
We are the point in Orwellian literature where telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
23 days ago

“It would be foolish to deny that speech can occasionally incite violence and words can undoubtedly be wounding. This needs to be accounted for and persons brought to task for harmful things they have said.”
Nope. They may be brought to task for the actual damage their words caused, but the words themselves must go unpunished. Even then the “bringing to task” should primarily if not exclusively focus on the actual perpetrators of the damage. I leave aside the suggestion that emotional “wounding” should carry some punishment as absurd on its face.

Rachel Taylor
Rachel Taylor
23 days ago

One thing not mentioned enough is that the guardians have deliberately taken the language of violence to refer to opinions they disagree with. “Silence is violence”; “I don’t feel safe”; “safe spaces”; “literal genocide”; “legal but harmful”; “extreme misogyny”. They have translated opinions into violence, and now they want laws to punish those “violent” opinions.
Somehow it never works the other way. For example, threatening a person they disagree with does not, apparently, make that person feel less safe.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
23 days ago

You forgot to indicate sarcasm with scare quotes (“inverted commas” to Brits) around “great thinkers.”

G M
G M
23 days ago

” the fragmentation of societies into multiple identity-based groups enabled by social media”

Actually the fragmentation was there before, but with social media it became more public.

Brett H
Brett H
22 days ago

If we can’t define what words mean then we may have to judge things on actions.

Phil Gurski
Phil Gurski
22 days ago

In my experience in counter-terrorism in Canada, 99% of all jihadis who post stuff online never do a damn thing IRL. So, we should investigate, arrest, charge, try, convict and jail all of them? No one has the resources to do this: we need to focus only on those with intent AND capability to act (and that is not easy to determine) as well as those who directly inspire those to do so (which again is not easy to determine). Condemning hateful speech is one thing: criminalising it is something else (and NOT desirable IMHO).