We’ve come a long way from April 2020, when we actually thought the Chinese company Huawei was a good bet for supplying equipment for our telecoms infrastructure.
We’ve got some way to go yet, to wake up fully to the threat from China. Great stuff, Mr. Dunning. Keep up the good work.
Some way to go indeed given we’ve knowingly gifted China almost sole capacity to supply equipment for the non-insignificant project of “decarbonising” developed economies within the next few decades.
Efforts are underway to correct the problems and undo the Chinese monopolies, but two decades of stupidity can’t be undone in four years, and the task isn’t made any easier by a population polarized by years of identity politics and radicalizing social media echo chambers. The ruling class must undo their previous two decades of failure and lack of foresight, all while under threat from international revisionist powers and angry domestic populist factions. Even a minor failure on any front could realistically move us into a truly post-liberal future. Even if the ruling class avoids revolution or world war, globalism will die a slow death by a thousand cuts as politicians are forced to give populists concessions out of fear of further uprisings and take measures against hostile foreign governments that incentivize loyalty and political alliance rather than strict economic efficiency. For the most part, the ruling class has nobody to blame but themselves.
Howard S.
3 months ago
Spies and undercover agents for the Beijing regime do not relish having their photographs ending up on a very popular, very public YouTube video. Someone is bound to recognize them.
Is it possible that the Beijing apparatchiks deliberately staged the confrontation hoping that someone would say or do something racist to them, because that would make good footage to show at home?
Rafi Stern
3 months ago
You didn’t mention the woman who disturbingly says “don’t shoot him” to presumably Leng, when the whole altercation started.
I listen over to the video a few times, and I really couldn’t make out those words. If Zang did indeed say that, it may also have meant to not “film” and not necessarily to not pulling out a gun and puncturing Mr. K with bullets?
A few Youtube Influencers concluded that the woman meant to say “don’t shout at him” instead of “…shoot…”. Her English simply was not that great.
Matt Jarrett
3 months ago
Since joining Free Tibet as a student in the 1990s, it’s amazed me how passive virtually every Western Govt have been in their dealings with covert/overt CCP interference & general external (let alone internal) vileness.
The CCP’s insistence that the rest of the world sees them as an upstanding organisation (because they make all the West’s toys now) & will broach no other narrative is cartoonishly inevitable, but the pervasiveness with which the CCP pursues it is jaw dropping.
It would be lovely if Xi met with an untimely end, but he’s so restructured ed the top end of the CCP, nothing would change.
The fact that the Western way of life is so dependent on CCP goods & hence Western Govts are in thrall to them is pretty shit (-better keep the electorate happy or the peasants will revolt).
We’ve been outplayed by the CCP’s terrible singlemindedness & it won’t go well now. The other world players have been bought off until it’s too late to resist their expansionist aims.
I dont agree. Listen to Peter Zeihan – expert on global economics – he says China is headed for a fall economically (see what’s happening to their stock markets after all their problems with their property market) and demographically. But we definitely need to wake up our politicians and stop all these CCP influencers/spies hobnobbing with them – we also need to stop them targeting the expat Chinese community. We should close all the Confuscian Centres and have a hard look at all the Chinese funding of our universities.
I agree on almost all you say, except the forecast on the Chinese economy. I’m not saying it WON’T perhaps collapse, its just that we have been seeing multiple negative “forecasts” for years and years now, and nothing seems to ever happen at the end of the day..
In fairness, it’s hard to know what’s actually happening in China because everything put out by their media and on the Internet is propaganda. Realistically, if China’s economy were collapsing, how would anyone know? The media is all propaganda and they can fudge the numbers however they want. Does anyone seriously believe their COVID fatality statistics from 2020? Their information control operations go well outside China. Disney and others have made changes to their fictional works in order to appease the Chinese government. I’m of the opinion that their economy might already be struggling but is being sustained by weapons manufacture, just as with Germany’s illusory recovery from the Great Depression in the 1930’s.
They were profiting substantially from China’s cheating. Some doubtless knew exactly what was going on and didn’t care because they were making money. Others also knew what was going on but rationalized it as China being an ‘oppressed victim of colonial aggression’ who was just trying to ‘catch up’, and they were also making money. Then there’s the gullible fools who thought the Chinese were just smarter and more efficient than everybody else, bowed to them, emulated them, and actively sought CCP favor, and they too were making money. There were a few, the MIC for example, that always had reservations about CCP motives, but they weren’t enough to convince the politicians who were stupidly guessing that trading with China would magically make their government more tolerant and democratic, not just a bigger, wealthier, more dangerous version of what it already was and always had been.
R Wright
3 months ago
It is one of the most fascinating videos I’ve seen in years. If anyone wishes to see the authoritarian mindset in action I couldn’t recommend the Pianogate video more. It is utterly surreal.
One of the fascinating aspects is the ad hoc legalist rhetoric. “If you’re still recording we will put a legal action into it. I’m sorry this is the end of the conversation,” says a man off camera to Dr K (as if the speaker is delivering a police caution). You are violating our rights (which rights? “Image rights”), “you are approaching her with your hands” (Dr K was not at that moment, and had not previously, though he had touched her flag). A totalitarian police operative expecting to cow people in another jurisdiction (a democracy) with what sounds like the rhetoric of rights. Possibly even worse is the WPC at the end of the video: “But you can’t say things like that” (i.e., “we’re not in China”). Do police regulate actions that contravene law, or just breaches of supposed etiquette?
laurence scaduto
3 months ago
I still don’t have any idea what’s going on here. If keeping their faces off of YouTube was their aim they did exactly the wrong thing. And then doubled down.
And didn’t security and even the police side with the Chinese? That seems to be the most significant part of the story.
Good point!! I suppose she’s not really relevant to the theme of this article, but BOY was she inept!
laurence scaduto
3 months ago
Terrible new comments set-up! If I have to scrollsearch to find my comments it makes anything like a conversation impossible. For this happy subscriber, that conversation was a valuable part of the experience.
Yeah, the new thumbs-up/thumbs-down counter is good. But it doesn’t much matter anymore, does it?
Under the previous set-up, if you clicked on “my comments” in “my account” it took you to a list of your comments, and you chose which one you wanted and clicked “go to comment” and it took you right to the comment in its place in the thread.
Now it does all of that, except the last bit – it just takes you to the article and you have to scroll, as you say.
Dumetrius
3 months ago
With Christine Lee’s reputation for running immigration scams, which often ended up with those tempted into them bankrupt, sick or suicidal, she is widely hated by ‘overseas’ Chinese. I can’t think why they think partnering with her is going to appeal to that grouping.
Mark Wilks
3 months ago
This is a spat between a tedious YouTuber (a category like an Instagram ‘influencer’ best avoided) and a group of Chinese not familiar with UK privacy laws making an anodyne video that will probably fill 5 minutes on a tedious programme about UK tourism.
Generally, there is at least something of interest in any UnHerd article, but this is so thin, just the usual tedious anti CPC ramblings, world domination etc. Plus a headline which doesn’t make much sense.
UnHerd ‘s proclaimed mission is ‘to push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking, and to provide a platform for otherwise unheard ideas’ ,
What category does this article come under? Is this ‘new and bold thinking’ or ‘a platform for otherwise unheard ideas’?
Or perhaps neither.
I don’t think it’s as thin as that, given the presence at least one Chinese agent (possibly two) tho it is difficult discern an obvious reason for either to have been there.
But I wish they’d picked a less annoying YouTuber.
Did you read the part of the article where it mentioned that those ‘group of Chinese not familiar with UK privacy laws’ were CCP propagandists?
Bruce Thorne
2 months ago
I’d like to see a decent exposé of covert CCP influence in UK society. I’m convinced CCP recruit as many Chinese nationals living here as possible to be CCP assets, passing info on the workings of UK society back to China. I wonder how much this is knowingly tolerated by our intel agencies for whatever political purpose or their own intel purposes
We’ve come a long way from April 2020, when we actually thought the Chinese company Huawei was a good bet for supplying equipment for our telecoms infrastructure.
We’ve got some way to go yet, to wake up fully to the threat from China. Great stuff, Mr. Dunning. Keep up the good work.
Some way to go indeed given we’ve knowingly gifted China almost sole capacity to supply equipment for the non-insignificant project of “decarbonising” developed economies within the next few decades.
Efforts are underway to correct the problems and undo the Chinese monopolies, but two decades of stupidity can’t be undone in four years, and the task isn’t made any easier by a population polarized by years of identity politics and radicalizing social media echo chambers. The ruling class must undo their previous two decades of failure and lack of foresight, all while under threat from international revisionist powers and angry domestic populist factions. Even a minor failure on any front could realistically move us into a truly post-liberal future. Even if the ruling class avoids revolution or world war, globalism will die a slow death by a thousand cuts as politicians are forced to give populists concessions out of fear of further uprisings and take measures against hostile foreign governments that incentivize loyalty and political alliance rather than strict economic efficiency. For the most part, the ruling class has nobody to blame but themselves.
Spies and undercover agents for the Beijing regime do not relish having their photographs ending up on a very popular, very public YouTube video. Someone is bound to recognize them.
Is it possible that the Beijing apparatchiks deliberately staged the confrontation hoping that someone would say or do something racist to them, because that would make good footage to show at home?
You didn’t mention the woman who disturbingly says “don’t shoot him” to presumably Leng, when the whole altercation started.
I listen over to the video a few times, and I really couldn’t make out those words. If Zang did indeed say that, it may also have meant to not “film” and not necessarily to not pulling out a gun and puncturing Mr. K with bullets?
A few Youtube Influencers concluded that the woman meant to say “don’t shout at him” instead of “…shoot…”. Her English simply was not that great.
Since joining Free Tibet as a student in the 1990s, it’s amazed me how passive virtually every Western Govt have been in their dealings with covert/overt CCP interference & general external (let alone internal) vileness.
The CCP’s insistence that the rest of the world sees them as an upstanding organisation (because they make all the West’s toys now) & will broach no other narrative is cartoonishly inevitable, but the pervasiveness with which the CCP pursues it is jaw dropping.
It would be lovely if Xi met with an untimely end, but he’s so restructured ed the top end of the CCP, nothing would change.
The fact that the Western way of life is so dependent on CCP goods & hence Western Govts are in thrall to them is pretty shit (-better keep the electorate happy or the peasants will revolt).
We’ve been outplayed by the CCP’s terrible singlemindedness & it won’t go well now. The other world players have been bought off until it’s too late to resist their expansionist aims.
I dont agree. Listen to Peter Zeihan – expert on global economics – he says China is headed for a fall economically (see what’s happening to their stock markets after all their problems with their property market) and demographically. But we definitely need to wake up our politicians and stop all these CCP influencers/spies hobnobbing with them – we also need to stop them targeting the expat Chinese community. We should close all the Confuscian Centres and have a hard look at all the Chinese funding of our universities.
I agree on almost all you say, except the forecast on the Chinese economy. I’m not saying it WON’T perhaps collapse, its just that we have been seeing multiple negative “forecasts” for years and years now, and nothing seems to ever happen at the end of the day..
Especially the collapse of the Chinese economy that Peter Zeihan has been forecasting for years?
In fairness, it’s hard to know what’s actually happening in China because everything put out by their media and on the Internet is propaganda. Realistically, if China’s economy were collapsing, how would anyone know? The media is all propaganda and they can fudge the numbers however they want. Does anyone seriously believe their COVID fatality statistics from 2020? Their information control operations go well outside China. Disney and others have made changes to their fictional works in order to appease the Chinese government. I’m of the opinion that their economy might already be struggling but is being sustained by weapons manufacture, just as with Germany’s illusory recovery from the Great Depression in the 1930’s.
They were profiting substantially from China’s cheating. Some doubtless knew exactly what was going on and didn’t care because they were making money. Others also knew what was going on but rationalized it as China being an ‘oppressed victim of colonial aggression’ who was just trying to ‘catch up’, and they were also making money. Then there’s the gullible fools who thought the Chinese were just smarter and more efficient than everybody else, bowed to them, emulated them, and actively sought CCP favor, and they too were making money. There were a few, the MIC for example, that always had reservations about CCP motives, but they weren’t enough to convince the politicians who were stupidly guessing that trading with China would magically make their government more tolerant and democratic, not just a bigger, wealthier, more dangerous version of what it already was and always had been.
It is one of the most fascinating videos I’ve seen in years. If anyone wishes to see the authoritarian mindset in action I couldn’t recommend the Pianogate video more. It is utterly surreal.
One of the fascinating aspects is the ad hoc legalist rhetoric. “If you’re still recording we will put a legal action into it. I’m sorry this is the end of the conversation,” says a man off camera to Dr K (as if the speaker is delivering a police caution). You are violating our rights (which rights? “Image rights”), “you are approaching her with your hands” (Dr K was not at that moment, and had not previously, though he had touched her flag). A totalitarian police operative expecting to cow people in another jurisdiction (a democracy) with what sounds like the rhetoric of rights. Possibly even worse is the WPC at the end of the video: “But you can’t say things like that” (i.e., “we’re not in China”). Do police regulate actions that contravene law, or just breaches of supposed etiquette?
I still don’t have any idea what’s going on here. If keeping their faces off of YouTube was their aim they did exactly the wrong thing. And then doubled down.
And didn’t security and even the police side with the Chinese? That seems to be the most significant part of the story.
They did, but I doubt that was on purpose: just plain stupidity plus lack of training. Plus no doubt some diversity hiring policies..
Mr. K can certainly be grateful for all the publicity. Way more than money could buy.
He had a pretty good following already. IRL, I’ve seen him playing in St Pancras a few times
Why has no-one mentioned the police woman. Is she still in her job? Has she been reprimanded?
Good point!! I suppose she’s not really relevant to the theme of this article, but BOY was she inept!
Terrible new comments set-up! If I have to scrollsearch to find my comments it makes anything like a conversation impossible. For this happy subscriber, that conversation was a valuable part of the experience.
Yeah, the new thumbs-up/thumbs-down counter is good. But it doesn’t much matter anymore, does it?
Under the previous set-up, if you clicked on “my comments” in “my account” it took you to a list of your comments, and you chose which one you wanted and clicked “go to comment” and it took you right to the comment in its place in the thread.
Now it does all of that, except the last bit – it just takes you to the article and you have to scroll, as you say.
With Christine Lee’s reputation for running immigration scams, which often ended up with those tempted into them bankrupt, sick or suicidal, she is widely hated by ‘overseas’ Chinese. I can’t think why they think partnering with her is going to appeal to that grouping.
This is a spat between a tedious YouTuber (a category like an Instagram ‘influencer’ best avoided) and a group of Chinese not familiar with UK privacy laws making an anodyne video that will probably fill 5 minutes on a tedious programme about UK tourism.
Generally, there is at least something of interest in any UnHerd article, but this is so thin, just the usual tedious anti CPC ramblings, world domination etc. Plus a headline which doesn’t make much sense.
UnHerd ‘s proclaimed mission is ‘to push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking, and to provide a platform for otherwise unheard ideas’ ,
What category does this article come under? Is this ‘new and bold thinking’ or ‘a platform for otherwise unheard ideas’?
Or perhaps neither.
I don’t think it’s as thin as that, given the presence at least one Chinese agent (possibly two) tho it is difficult discern an obvious reason for either to have been there.
But I wish they’d picked a less annoying YouTuber.
Did you read the part of the article where it mentioned that those ‘group of Chinese not familiar with UK privacy laws’ were CCP propagandists?
I’d like to see a decent exposé of covert CCP influence in UK society. I’m convinced CCP recruit as many Chinese nationals living here as possible to be CCP assets, passing info on the workings of UK society back to China. I wonder how much this is knowingly tolerated by our intel agencies for whatever political purpose or their own intel purposes