
Stop me if you’ve heard this one. A man’s wife divorces him and shacks up with his boss. Soon after, a friend suggests that he should remarry. “What for?” he asks. “Are you looking for a wife as well?”
It may not be the funniest joke, but that’s because it’s an anecdote from The Lives of the Caesars by the Ancient Roman historian Suetonius. The comedian in this case was a senator called Aelius Lamia whose wife had left him for the Emperor Domitian. For making this casual quip, Domitian had Lamia put to death. Now that’s a bad review.
It might be worth keeping this anecdote in mind when the usual debates flare up about whether comedy “goes too far”. The notion of people being offended by jokes is as old as comedy itself, and often people react angrily if humour isn’t to their taste. The current manifestation of this age-old debate takes the form of a simple dichotomy: “woke comedy” versus “anti-woke comedy”.
Already we are in treacherous waters. It is very unwise to define whole genres by terms that have no settled definitions. The actor Kathy Burke believes that “woke” simply refers to people who are neither racist nor homophobic, which would surely mean that the overwhelming majority of us would happily embrace the term. But for those who have been on the receiving end of the bullying, harassment and intimidation by activists who self-define as “woke”, it is clear this issue is not so straightforward.
Over the past few years, we have seen the emergence of a new comedy movement, one branded by commentators as “anti-woke”, that seeks to push back against the orthodoxies of our time. Its closest historical precedent is the “alternative” comedians of the Eighties, who also took aim at establishment norms and were often similarly blunt in their approach. The key difference today is that there is no broad agreement about where the power in society lies, and so while “anti-woke” comedians see themselves as anti-establishment, their critics insist that the opposite is true.
Consider the example of Ricky Gervais, whose new Netflix stand-up special Armageddon has sparked this most recent round of discussions about the supposed red lines in comedy. Some have accused Gervais of taking a reactionary stance, most notably because of jokes relating to migrants and disabled children. Gervais has been branded an “anti-woke” comedian, but I doubt very much that he would see it in such reductive terms. Anyone familiar with his work will know that he has always lampooned closed systems of thought, and it just so happens that “wokeness” currently represents the dominant incarnation. There was a time when many of Gervais’s critics were perfectly happy to see him take a wrecking ball to the certainties of religious faith. It would appear they take a different view when it’s their own belief system taking a battering.
A simplistic reading of “woke” versus “anti-woke” comedy is that the former “punches up” while the latter “punches down”, but such rules are incoherent when applied to an inherently anarchic medium. Besides, it simply is not true that there exists a growing number of comedians who are seeking fame and easy laughs by taking aim at the most marginalised in society.
As I have said, it comes down to a question of how one perceives power. Too often the culture war is misconceived as a conflict between Left and Right, with “woke” aligned with the former and “anti-woke” with the latter, but “wokeness” carries with it the kind of clout that transcends the political binary. In their 13 years of government, the Conservatives have presided over the worst excesses of this identity-obsessed ideology and the havoc it has wrought on society. Far from fighting a “war on woke”, they have been actively enabling it.
So where does the real power lie? Is it with governments that can be voted out if the public tires of them? Or is it with activists who now have significant influence in all cultural, educational, political and corporate institutions, and who cannot be dislodged by means of any democratic process? These are the same zealots who have fostered racial division in the name of “anti-racism”, jeopardised the rights of women and gay people through the promotion of gender identity ideology, destabilised the very notion of empirical truth, attempted to rewrite our history and reconstruct our culture, and launched a relentless assault on free speech and the achievements of social liberalism. Just because they describe themselves as being “on the right side of history” doesn’t make it true.
And so, when we read an article in the New Statesman lamenting the “tedious world of anti-woke comedy”, we can be fairly sure that the criticism is political. Does the writer sincerely believe that these performers are simply trying to attack minorities and cause as much offence as possible? This is the least generous of all suppositions, one born out of a fundamental misunderstanding of the art of comedy. It strikes me that many of those who dismiss stand-ups as “anti-woke” are simply berating them for taking an anti-establishment stance and for believing that those in power ought to be ridiculed rather than eulogised. But what is the point of a court jester who acts as a propagandist for the king?
Another common reaction from critics has been to imply that certain topics ought to be ring-fenced, and that joking about them is tantamount to a form of violence. The charity Scope has lambasted Gervais’s new show for containing “ableist slurs” and claimed that “language like this has very real consequences”. But those of us who have seen Armageddon would have to concede that the most obvious consequence appears to be the laughter of audience members who are clearly enjoying themselves. What Gervais’s critics mean is that jokes are like toxins, and that popular culture — if not carefully regulated — has the power to corrupt the Great Unwashed. Mary Whitehouse made the identical argument many decades ago.
Fortunately, her fears were unfounded. Over half a century of research into “media effects” theory — the hypothesis that the public will modify its behaviour according to the mass media it consumes — has seen it roundly discredited. Jokes do not cause violence, unless you are talking about Will Smith slapping Chris Rock at the Oscars, or the Emperor Domitian lopping off the occasional head.
The history of comedy shows us that its practitioners will always cause offence, so why do we continue to squabble over where the red lines ought to be drawn? No matter how many times you shift the boundary, it will still end up being crossed. I am not implying here that there is anything wrong with criticism, however puritanical it might be. Comedians who violate popular sensibilities have always faced pushback and resentment. The problem arises when the offended parties seek to impose their tastes on everyone else. So while I support anyone’s right to criticise Gervais’s show, I am disturbed by those who have called on Netflix to censor the offending material.
Personally, I have always relished those comedians who have no clear affiliations, who take aim in all directions and unsettle as much as they entertain. But today’s comedy industry is not a hospitable environment for these sorts of freethinkers. For some years now, there has been an undeniable strain of groupthink among those in positions of power: promoters, commissioners, critics and even some performers. Acts who conform have been rewarded, while those who refuse to do so have been shunned. It hasn’t taken much for up-and-coming comics to realise that it is more profitable to be seen to convey the “correct” message rather than to develop their craft in innovative and individual ways. The impulse to serve Mammon rather than the Muses has enervated the comedy scene, and self-censorship is now the norm.
The writer Graham Linehan is living proof of how heretics are treated in the current climate. For blaspheming against the holy creed of gender identity ideology — one embraced wholesale by the gatekeepers of the comedy industry — he has been unable to work for six years. In his new memoir, Tough Crowd, he discusses how his musical adaptation of Father Ted has been scotched, either because the bosses at Hat Trick Productions (which owns the rights) are too cowardly to be seen promoting his work, or because activist elements within the company disapprove of his views.
Only a couple of decades ago, it was virtually unheard of for comedy promoters to take seriously complaints from audience members claiming to be “offended”. Now, it takes little more than a few disgruntled tweets for venues to panic and cancel bookings. But the backlash is palpable. Many of us have grown weary of comedians toeing the establishment line and substituting agitprop for jokes. Some “anti-woke” comedy may lack sophistication and subtlety, but maybe that’s a small price to pay to redress the balance and reenergise the art form. If you want to smash taboos, sometimes you need a sledgehammer.
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SubscribeOh dear. This will upset quite a few politicians and various activists/influencers (sic).
I am sure it will be said that this report was written by some blatant racist.
Naw, you’re not up with the words on the street. Try racial gatekeepers, bounty bars, coconuts.
Naw, you’re not up with the words on the street. Try racial gatekeepers, bounty bars, coconuts.
No. Sadly, they will just pretend this does not exist.
I am sure it will be said that this report was written by some blatant racist.
No. Sadly, they will just pretend this does not exist.
Oh dear. This will upset quite a few politicians and various activists/influencers (sic).
The King’s College survey will carry no weight with our activist elite. The link in the final paragraph will take you to a Guardian page much more in line with their world view. It’s filled with data ‘proving’ that Britain is still a racist society in desperate need of a good dose of social engineering. The data has been gleaned from familiar activist-riddled sources of course: The Runnymede Trust and Bristol University.
It is worth spending a little time reading the Bristol report. It is available here (https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/ethnic-inequalities-in-a-time-of-crisis). It is open access, so you can read every word. The question asked was had the respondent experienced racial attack before the pandemic. No timeframe (eg last five years before the pandemic) was mentioned. So if an elderly man had “Go home, N****r” just once in the 1960s, then that was noted.
The point is that the researchers could not have set the bar any lower if they had tried. You could repeat the exercise, by asking people if they had ever experienced dangerous driving on the motorway, even just once; then you could create the impression that our motorways are deathtraps, filled with lunatic drivers.
But I encourage readers to use the link above and judge for themselves.
Reminds me of how the ever-widening definition of domestic abuse creates the impression that a huge number of men are wife-beaters (of some sort or another).
The object of such studies is not to determine the truth but to create evidence to back up the prejudicial notion that society is corrupt and immoral.
And on this ‘ever widening definition of domestic abuse’ would you care to give an example so all the female readers can see, and maybe even comment?
How about so that everybody can comment?
I am reminded of the expansion of the Australian definition of domestic abuse a few years ago to include door slamming and walking out of the house. The latter of course is something primarily men do in domestic disputes…and now it’s evidence of abuse.
Of course, do the responsible thing and remove yourself from the situation, breath, cool down, don’t let your anger get the better of you, this is what decent men do in such situations but now they’re defining it as abuse? Heaven help us!
Of course, do the responsible thing and remove yourself from the situation, breath, cool down, don’t let your anger get the better of you, this is what decent men do in such situations but now they’re defining it as abuse? Heaven help us!
How about so that everybody can comment?
I am reminded of the expansion of the Australian definition of domestic abuse a few years ago to include door slamming and walking out of the house. The latter of course is something primarily men do in domestic disputes…and now it’s evidence of abuse.
And on this ‘ever widening definition of domestic abuse’ would you care to give an example so all the female readers can see, and maybe even comment?
Has such a survey been carried out in African and Islamic countries to identify their warm welcome and integration of white, Christian, Jewish and Hindu peoples? Do they read the news, appear on TV advertisements, work as politicians and/ or in Government? If not, perhaps someone out there can explain why not?… or perhaps get arrested and charged, and convicted on no independent evidence of a hate crime?
Reminds me of how the ever-widening definition of domestic abuse creates the impression that a huge number of men are wife-beaters (of some sort or another).
The object of such studies is not to determine the truth but to create evidence to back up the prejudicial notion that society is corrupt and immoral.
Has such a survey been carried out in African and Islamic countries to identify their warm welcome and integration of white, Christian, Jewish and Hindu peoples? Do they read the news, appear on TV advertisements, work as politicians and/ or in Government? If not, perhaps someone out there can explain why not?… or perhaps get arrested and charged, and convicted on no independent evidence of a hate crime?
It is worth spending a little time reading the Bristol report. It is available here (https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/ethnic-inequalities-in-a-time-of-crisis). It is open access, so you can read every word. The question asked was had the respondent experienced racial attack before the pandemic. No timeframe (eg last five years before the pandemic) was mentioned. So if an elderly man had “Go home, N****r” just once in the 1960s, then that was noted.
The point is that the researchers could not have set the bar any lower if they had tried. You could repeat the exercise, by asking people if they had ever experienced dangerous driving on the motorway, even just once; then you could create the impression that our motorways are deathtraps, filled with lunatic drivers.
But I encourage readers to use the link above and judge for themselves.
The King’s College survey will carry no weight with our activist elite. The link in the final paragraph will take you to a Guardian page much more in line with their world view. It’s filled with data ‘proving’ that Britain is still a racist society in desperate need of a good dose of social engineering. The data has been gleaned from familiar activist-riddled sources of course: The Runnymede Trust and Bristol University.
How about the fact that the indigenous population actually lives in fear, that they are no longer allowed to express, that they are having large parts of their country taken over by cultures who have no respect for the indigenous people, but who are protected by laws and rights passed by British governments, that give them what are effectively superior rights and freedoms, and that many of the immigrants wish to see a Britain that will subsume to their culture and religious identity, and are using insurgence war and violence all over the African continent to achieve that aim, and terrorism elsewhere in the world? paranoia?… or provable fact?
Err think you jumped to the ‘fire and brimstone’ stuff bit quick there NST and missed the Survey conclusion. British public are pretty chilled out about living next door to someone from different background and culture. Not exactly hiding in the cellar.
Err think you jumped to the ‘fire and brimstone’ stuff bit quick there NST and missed the Survey conclusion. British public are pretty chilled out about living next door to someone from different background and culture. Not exactly hiding in the cellar.
How about the fact that the indigenous population actually lives in fear, that they are no longer allowed to express, that they are having large parts of their country taken over by cultures who have no respect for the indigenous people, but who are protected by laws and rights passed by British governments, that give them what are effectively superior rights and freedoms, and that many of the immigrants wish to see a Britain that will subsume to their culture and religious identity, and are using insurgence war and violence all over the African continent to achieve that aim, and terrorism elsewhere in the world? paranoia?… or provable fact?
This is so annoying, I’ve made my mind up, so why do you keep confusing me by presenting “alternative” facts?
This is so annoying, I’ve made my mind up, so why do you keep confusing me by presenting “alternative” facts?
What about the minorities who used to enjoy Hunting? What about Old Etonians and so called ” toffs” who can be abused and insulted verbally and in print? What about the old aristocracy who were banned from The Upper House? So it is perfectly acceptable to pillory, abuse, and ridicule a small section of society, who through no fault of their own were born into some privelige, and openly express hatred, and dislike of them? to mock their accents and the way that they dress?
Fortunately, they dont care, but all I am attempting to illustrate is that the bare faced rank hypocricy that festers in nu britain, not least driven by emerald green faced envy, is almost funny.
Not to mention dog fighting, badger baiting and countless other age old ‘country pursuits!
However given the antics of the Provost and Headmaster of Eton in recent years, there is definitely a ‘case to answer’.
But NST, you are missing the point – most of these Toffs are into a bit of S&M submission. It’s ingrained from prep-school. They’d pay for it at weekends anyway.
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Not to mention dog fighting, badger baiting and countless other age old ‘country pursuits!
However given the antics of the Provost and Headmaster of Eton in recent years, there is definitely a ‘case to answer’.
But NST, you are missing the point – most of these Toffs are into a bit of S&M submission. It’s ingrained from prep-school. They’d pay for it at weekends anyway.
What about the minorities who used to enjoy Hunting? What about Old Etonians and so called ” toffs” who can be abused and insulted verbally and in print? What about the old aristocracy who were banned from The Upper House? So it is perfectly acceptable to pillory, abuse, and ridicule a small section of society, who through no fault of their own were born into some privelige, and openly express hatred, and dislike of them? to mock their accents and the way that they dress?
Fortunately, they dont care, but all I am attempting to illustrate is that the bare faced rank hypocricy that festers in nu britain, not least driven by emerald green faced envy, is almost funny.
Not for much longer.
We were warned eons ago by EP.
Not for much longer.
We were warned eons ago by EP.
This report simply confirms that facts are tools of white supremacy, designed to oppress minorities. And it threatens thousands of jobs in the race industry. Reports should be cancelled.
This report simply confirms that facts are tools of white supremacy, designed to oppress minorities. And it threatens thousands of jobs in the race industry. Reports should be cancelled.
There is’nt a country without racism,even in mono cultures ,even the slightest difference can trigger it,even if those differences can not be noticed by outsiders…
There is’nt a country without racism,even in mono cultures ,even the slightest difference can trigger it,even if those differences can not be noticed by outsiders…
Blacks used to complain they didnt see themselves on screen. Now it is the opposite and every ad portrays a multiracial couple. White people dont see themselves.
Blacks used to complain they didnt see themselves on screen. Now it is the opposite and every ad portrays a multiracial couple. White people dont see themselves.
Diana Abbot would be furious with this report if she could understand the statistics.
Diana Abbot would be furious with this report if she could understand the statistics.
Let us look at some of the things that some over the last 20 years, may call progress? Armed police, Downing st behind gates and armed police, airport security and searches, and more armed police, anti terrorist security outside our Parliament, domestic terrorist attacks, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan… what is the common denominator?
Let us look at some of the things that some over the last 20 years, may call progress? Armed police, Downing st behind gates and armed police, airport security and searches, and more armed police, anti terrorist security outside our Parliament, domestic terrorist attacks, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan… what is the common denominator?
This accords with my very positive experiences as an N. Irish person (from the terrorist community) living in England (Midlands, Yorkshire and London) for most of the 1990s. In my lived experience, British everyday culture is extremely tolerant, and good humoured. Just good fun! People generally prefer banter, and if a conversation in a pub is becoming too “heavy”, someone will always take the p, and steer things back on a more light-hearted track. It’s a lovely culture. I only have great memories of my time in England. By contrast, the first time I went to New York, whilst I enjoyed the city itself very much, the racial tension there was palpable, and was something that 10 years living in Britain had not prepared me for. See my blog on “The New Apartheid”:
https://ayenaw.com/2021/10/10/the-new-apartheid/
This accords with my very positive experiences as an N. Irish person (from the terrorist community) living in England (Midlands, Yorkshire and London) for most of the 1990s. In my lived experience, British everyday culture is extremely tolerant, and good humoured. Just good fun! People generally prefer banter, and if a conversation in a pub is becoming too “heavy”, someone will always take the p, and steer things back on a more light-hearted track. It’s a lovely culture. I only have great memories of my time in England. By contrast, the first time I went to New York, whilst I enjoyed the city itself very much, the racial tension there was palpable, and was something that 10 years living in Britain had not prepared me for. See my blog on “The New Apartheid”:
https://ayenaw.com/2021/10/10/the-new-apartheid/
Why did the UK spike upwards in about 1997?
Why did the UK spike upwards in about 1997?
Maybe this ‘tolerance’ is a sign of decline.
Maybe this ‘tolerance’ is a sign of decline.
Useful counter weight to some of the more outlandish claims of racial bias in modern Britain. We all know things are better than when we were kids and casual awful racism was common. A credit to our Nation, albeit with a few things we can still do better.
Nonetheless having gone through the report it does depend on how questions are phrased and how things are defined. Now if the UnHerd usual commentariat were selectively polled I wonder if we’d hold to the 2% too?
And given the key conclusions – folks are pretty chilled about who lives next door regardless of background and culture – suggestive we’ll have no problem absorbing and getting comfortable with a gradual change in demographic going forward (not more in total just a change in make-up).
Ah but now there’s uproar that one could suggest that. Thus is it really 2%, or just an UnHerd silo that might buck the trend?
I might have known you’d have to put your oar in Watson. By the way, don’t you qualify as one of UnHerd’s usual commentariat? Not a day goes by without one of your schoolmasterly contributions such as this choice extract:
You forgot to add: “We must all pull our socks up and there’s no room for complacency”.
V glad you’re paying attention at the back of class there NS. Will keep giving you the homework.
V glad you’re paying attention at the back of class there NS. Will keep giving you the homework.
I might have known you’d have to put your oar in Watson. By the way, don’t you qualify as one of UnHerd’s usual commentariat? Not a day goes by without one of your schoolmasterly contributions such as this choice extract:
You forgot to add: “We must all pull our socks up and there’s no room for complacency”.
Useful counter weight to some of the more outlandish claims of racial bias in modern Britain. We all know things are better than when we were kids and casual awful racism was common. A credit to our Nation, albeit with a few things we can still do better.
Nonetheless having gone through the report it does depend on how questions are phrased and how things are defined. Now if the UnHerd usual commentariat were selectively polled I wonder if we’d hold to the 2% too?
And given the key conclusions – folks are pretty chilled about who lives next door regardless of background and culture – suggestive we’ll have no problem absorbing and getting comfortable with a gradual change in demographic going forward (not more in total just a change in make-up).
Ah but now there’s uproar that one could suggest that. Thus is it really 2%, or just an UnHerd silo that might buck the trend?
So what explains Brexit?
Indeed, obviously nothing to do with racism. Perhaps it could have been something else like a desire to have some sort of democratic accountability – who knows?
It was because we wanted to be able to have as many E numbers in our Prawn cocktail crisps as we jolly well felt like and they can stick those EU rules where the Sun don’t shine…err even if we’d written them.
Nonetheless Vote Leave made sure it covered all bases with the rubbish about 70 million Turks coming tomorrow and influx of Syrian refugees, because it did want any racists to vote for them even if that’s just a small v stupid minority.
what exactly IS racism? please elaborate?
It was because we wanted to be able to have as many E numbers in our Prawn cocktail crisps as we jolly well felt like and they can stick those EU rules where the Sun don’t shine…err even if we’d written them.
Nonetheless Vote Leave made sure it covered all bases with the rubbish about 70 million Turks coming tomorrow and influx of Syrian refugees, because it did want any racists to vote for them even if that’s just a small v stupid minority.
what exactly IS racism? please elaborate?
Something else, obviously.
Why would BREXIT have been a racist vote? – perhapds you are confusing it with somehtign else.
There was an element of the campaign to curb the free movement of predominantly white people from other EU countries, so absolutely nothing to do with racism. Obviously yet again the truth is inconvenient to those who wanted to paint leave voters as old, stupid and racist so they could be justified in going against the democratically expressed will of the people – old, stupid, racist and anyone else who does not agree with what the elite says is best for them really should not have the vote at all.
There was an element of the campaign to curb the free movement of predominantly white people from other EU countries, so absolutely nothing to do with racism. Obviously yet again the truth is inconvenient to those who wanted to paint leave voters as old, stupid and racist so they could be justified in going against the democratically expressed will of the people – old, stupid, racist and anyone else who does not agree with what the elite says is best for them really should not have the vote at all.
Assuming anti immigration sentiment was one element of the vote, is it the same thing as racism?
Antipathy to a significant influx of largely unskilled and semi skilled workers driving down wages in lower income groups, driving up rent, and overwhelming public services, would seem reasonable objections from an indigenous population.
Why hang a pejorative tag on a rational reaction?
So what explains Brexit?
Scepticism of and/or disenchantment with the EU and a desire for more democratic accountability, I imagine. And possibly a distaste for the much higher levels of racism characteristic of so many EU countries such as France, Spain, Italy, Greece and Poland (see the charts above).
The UK will Never get credit,there will always be bullhorns on the left crying stuff like institutionalised racism,when the Truth is mainland Europe is considerably More racist than the UK..p.s.It’s interesting to look at the EU parliament ,which is whiter than a klan rally,despite members whom like Britain are former colonial powers such as France ,Spain and the Netherlands ,but have few ethnics in either their respective goverments and in the EU parliament,even though France has a sizable Arab and African populace,ironically there were more brown and black faces in the EU parliament when the Brexit party was there..
The UK will Never get credit,there will always be bullhorns on the left crying stuff like institutionalised racism,when the Truth is mainland Europe is considerably More racist than the UK..p.s.It’s interesting to look at the EU parliament ,which is whiter than a klan rally,despite members whom like Britain are former colonial powers such as France ,Spain and the Netherlands ,but have few ethnics in either their respective goverments and in the EU parliament,even though France has a sizable Arab and African populace,ironically there were more brown and black faces in the EU parliament when the Brexit party was there..
The intelligence, political sophistication, courage and patriotism of the British public.
Followed by May, Bojo, Mad Liz and Rish!
Satire is not dead.
Followed by May, Bojo, Mad Liz and Rish!
Satire is not dead.
Cos you can welcome immigration without wishing for endless immigration.
Yes you are right GT. And that is where the heart of the country almost certainly is
Yes you are right GT. And that is where the heart of the country almost certainly is
Indeed, obviously nothing to do with racism. Perhaps it could have been something else like a desire to have some sort of democratic accountability – who knows?
Something else, obviously.
Why would BREXIT have been a racist vote? – perhapds you are confusing it with somehtign else.
Assuming anti immigration sentiment was one element of the vote, is it the same thing as racism?
Antipathy to a significant influx of largely unskilled and semi skilled workers driving down wages in lower income groups, driving up rent, and overwhelming public services, would seem reasonable objections from an indigenous population.
Why hang a pejorative tag on a rational reaction?
So what explains Brexit?
Scepticism of and/or disenchantment with the EU and a desire for more democratic accountability, I imagine. And possibly a distaste for the much higher levels of racism characteristic of so many EU countries such as France, Spain, Italy, Greece and Poland (see the charts above).
The intelligence, political sophistication, courage and patriotism of the British public.
Cos you can welcome immigration without wishing for endless immigration.
So what explains Brexit?