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J Bryant
J Bryant
4 months ago

It seems the formula for financial success in the modern media is find an outraged audience (or create one) then feed it red meat (works for the NYT, The Guardian, and, until recently, Fox News).
Unherd consistently provides excellent journalism but that’s mainly because it’s supported by a wealthy businessman. Long may his largesse continue.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
4 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

The Free Press has shown that the subscriber model can be very successful, but it too plays to the bias of its readers. Audience capture is an issue for any news outlet that doesn’t derive the bulk of its revenue from advertising, which is basically everyone now. I think it’s okay to be left wing or right wing, you just have to be honest about it, do good work and don’t pretend to be unbiased.

Andrew F
Andrew F
4 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Problem is though, that taxpayer funded broadcasters like bbc do not reflect majority opinion in the country.
They are all peddling woke, lefty agendas.
They should be defunded.
It is extremely unlikely that woke youngsters would be willing to pay for bbc subscriptions.
So why should older demographics pay for journalism working against its interests?

Norman Powers
Norman Powers
4 months ago

Fascinating history. Still, I couldn’t help but notice the evolution of how Vice News’ audience was described as the article progressed:

Young people, who had always been disregarded as news consumers, were enraptured by the hard-edged, thrilling content from the worst places on Earth ….

The audience never demands dumbing-down: viewers want nuance, shades of grey, and moral ambiguity. They want to see the world as it is, not as it ought to be.

Vice’s original YouTube fanbase, which skewed young male and often hard-Right

Bored young men who want to see brutal images of combat

As Aris’ personal story arc goes from starry-eyed youngster to grizzled veteran, we see Vice’s audience – the same people – go from being enraptured youths with a thirst for nuance to merely bored conservative males who want to be titillated.
Aris’ article seems to accidentally echo the fate of Vice itself. A bunch of liberals agreed to take huge risks for nearly no pay because they thought that by doing so they were uplifting the global youth with weighty reporting on the left’s favourite demographic (poor people in countries far away). “Just a wild, idealistic time”, as they said.
At some point it must have become clear that their audience wasn’t really all young people (who mostly lived up to their reputation for not caring) but rather only the male right-wing subset – the sort of people young leftists hate the most. Reading between the lines we might infer that many of them were Trump supporters too. So Vice promptly abandoned their modestly winning formula and pivoted to fighting over the same audience all the other journalists were also fighting for, but they had no edge there and when money got expensive again VC funding dried up. Their collapse followed soon after.
The oddest thing is the conclusion.

Vice News was the future, once. If even they can’t make hard foreign news pay, then perhaps it has no future.

But did Vice ever even try? The article is notable for what’s not there: any discussion of trying to make money from the original audience. The first time we hear about making money, it’s years later and Vice is selling liberal comfort food to traditional TV channels.
I don’t actually think “hard foreign news” can ever pay – Aris is right about that. Fundamentally the world is local, despite cheap air travel. Foreign news almost never impacts people’s lives in any way, especially not in America which is big and well insulated from events elsewhere. The war in Syria has a small impact on Europeans when refugees turn up, but by and large most people can cut their consumption of foreign news to zero and never even notice. Indeed, why should people pay for that? Why would anyone ever think they would? Most news agencies drastically over-weight foreign news for exactly the reasons Aris lays out here: journalists love it and so by agreeing to subsidize it with the revenues from more local news, they can underpay. What’s missing in salaries is made up for with excitement and awards ceremonies.
But if it can be made to pay, it will be by selling to it to right wing men, those unusual people who truly desire to see the world as it is and not as it ought to be. The staff at Vice may not want those people as their customers, but somewhere, someone does. Chin up!

Last edited 4 months ago by Norman Powers
Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
4 months ago

Do not trust the news. They spoon feed what they believe you should know in order to think how they do. The legacy versions owned by plutocrats are the worst.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
4 months ago

In 2016 we learnt that class war had come back to the West and the media had to choose sides. Vice chose the wrong side and became just another mouthpiece for Wall Street globalism.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
4 months ago

The future is small IMO. Keep costs down, don’t waste money on expensive extras and devote your energy to producing quality news. Adverting no longer drives the business. Subscribers do.

Dominic Heaney
Dominic Heaney
4 months ago

The “semi-ironically offensive content” in Vice of a decade ago just seemed (and still seems) jaded, fratboyish, complacent, self-satisfied: not much more than a rehash of early P J O’Rourke or lazier 70s Playboy “think-pieces”. That was absolutely not part of its then genuine strengths.
Compare and contrast the sometimes genuinely (and well beyond semi-ironic) shocking content that was contained in the 1990s Moscow-based “eXile” – It is still notable how that truly outrageous publication blooded Matt Taibbi, very well, for covering and understanding the subsequent degeneration of US political and social life. I can imagine that living in the anarchy of the Soviet collapse would bring about a rapid realisation of the naiveity and delusion of cherished liberal ideals about human nature, too.
So, in its best content – and the embedding with Isis certainly counts for that – Vice’s foreign news content truly was worth something for a time. Grim realities need to be shown.

Last edited 4 months ago by Dominic Heaney
Mark epperson
Mark epperson
4 months ago

Unfortunately, the news has morphed completely into entertainment and I am not really sure it will ever be different. Spin, lying, and obfuscation are the norm and that is why I don’t trust a damn thing in any commercial media outlet. There are wonderful spin-offs like UnHerd, Substack, and Spectator with differing views and good discussions, like it used to be. There are always the shills, but they are easily outed. The worm may be turning but MONEY trumps all these days and until it doesn’t, we are stuck in this nightmare.

Forrest Lindsey
Forrest Lindsey
4 months ago

Seems like Vice went to the Dark Side – money. Chasing the almighty dollar meant going to the mass media/Cable giants and coincidentally, keeping the leftward bias. Unsurprisingly, Vice became CBS Evening News.
Bye!

Jae
Jae
2 months ago

Did I miss something? Buzzfeed is right wing, what? Aren’t these the geezers who without any real verification published the Steel ”Dossier” garbage. They’re a biased organization who couldn’t see their own bias, that’s obvious from this overly long article. Think Vice think Leftists, “Dispassionate” you’ve got to be joking. Don’t know what this article is on about.