The world hasn’t started “decarbonising”. Oil and gas consumption is forecast to rise for the rest of this decade. Forecasts after that are pure guesses.
Some of the biggest investors in “net zero” propaganda are Saudi and Qatar. The reason is obvious: net zero hasn’t made a blind bit of difference to CO2 emissions but it has all but stopped Western investment in its own hydrocarbons.
So even if global oil and gas consumption begins to fall in 2030, thanks to its easy to extract reserves Saudi Arabia will have an even larger share of supply and far greater pricing leverage. And if global oil and gas consumption doesn’t fall, Saudi Arabia and the Middle East will rule Western economies.
Yes. Obvious, or should be. We in the enlightened West don’t seem to be able to think more than one move ahead. Our competition has lapped us but the fans tell us we are winning. How could we not be? It’s embarrassing. See Max below: “We’re not in the early stages of WW III because everyone’s fighting over lithium ”
Fossil fuels accounted for 80% of energy production 20 years ago and still accounts for 80% of energy production today.
We in the west have been captured by unserious, even dangerous beliefs, that have not reduced our dependency on fossil fuels at all. It has only made us more dependent to the whims of authoritarian leaders who supply those fuels.
Also a perfect ‘casus belli’ for why the West’ should reimpose total military and political control over the Middle East and the oil reserves it sits on.
We can no longer allow this bunch of insolent “camel jockeys” to interfere with our economies. There would also be undoubted benefits for the so called Middle East peace process.
Perhaps a rallying cry could be “ Islam MUST be destroyed, GOD wills it!
We should exploit our own resources. Canada has vast untapped resources, yet investment in exploration and new development has basically stopped because of the Trudeau regime. And it’s not like energy companies have stopped doing this – they have simply shifted their investment to South America and Africa.
Islam is being destroyed in China. They are very clever and not sentimental. They want to hang onto power by any means necessary and that includes getting rid of a violent, world-conquering religion.
Yes; for quite some time now, I’ve had the feeling that the dizzy forecasts of an impending ideal world without oil and gas are the equivalent of Paul Ehrlich’s incessant but never materializing predictions of doom: that in the 1970s hundreds of millions would starve, that all sea life would be dead by 1980, that England would no longer exist by 2000, and so on. And all this nonsense from him and similar frantic prophets can be easily found, thanks to the Internet.
I really do enjoy the comments on Unherd as much as the articles. What is your background, you make some excellent points? I’m assuming that your contributions are from a point of knowledge – that vastly underrated attribute.
Net Zero is a scam and will ruin the west. During all these years of focus on Net Zero rain forests are still being destroyed at the rate of areas the size of a football pitch every two seconds, plastic still being dumped in the sea, micro plastics in fish and in our soils, untreated sewage destroying rivers, over fishing of oceans continues to devastate fish numbers to the point of eradication etc etc.
Who is benefitting from net zero?
Exactly, it is pointless for the ‘gullible’ west to accept ‘net zero’ with all it’s negative financial consequences if the ‘lungs of the earth’ are still being destroyed. i would have more respect and acceptance of this net zero ideology if there was a concomitant ban on global deforestation.
Why is it that the most intelligent people can’t or won’t grasp that beyond electric cars and their batteries, the problem of source remains. They are plugged into… what? It’s a fool’s errand until the serious pursue nuclear generated electricity. Sadly there are a lot of fools out there.
Jim Veenbaas
6 months ago
Another one of the many policy blunders by the Biden administration. Let’s choke off domestic production of fossil fuels and alienate the largest supplier in the world. Better yet, let’s normalize relations with Iran because they would never murder a journalist. Thanks Joe for four years of political and economic instability.
Really, are these the same Iranians whose ‘modesty cops’ have just killed a teenage girl for the crime (gasp) of not wearing a hijab?
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Max Rottersman
6 months ago
Hey Ben, great stuff. We’re not in the early stages of WW III because everyone’s fighting over lithium 😉 Look at the hard data. Oil and gas are more valuable as ever. You say so yourself but didn’t have the courage to follow your own logic all the way through.
Mark Royster
6 months ago
The collapsing EV market in the US at least may challenge the hypothesis that we are decarbonizing. Or perhaps it is just a momentary dip. It may not be so risky to bet on the future of oil.
Alex Carnegie
6 months ago
Treating Saudi Arabia as a pariah would be foolish. Even on the more optimistic net zero scenarios, the UK and Europe will remain dependant on Middle East oil way into the 2040s. It is important that SA is aligned with the West and not China. Otherwise the latter may acquire the ability to squeeze our energy supplies at will until then.
In normal circumstances, chopping up journalists should result in a life long exclusion from polite society but in the world of international alliances it is sometimes better to let bygones be bygones. If we could ally with Stalin, who killed millions, we can certainly recognise strategic reality and reconcile with MBS. There is a difference between personal morality and the logic of diplomacy and realpolitik.
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Gayle Rosenthal
6 months ago
For all the money in Arab countries, they have no culture. Islam made sure of that. They have lots of big buildings but the cities are artificial. They import labor from poor countries so even their population is inorganic. God help us if the Arabs continue to colonize the west.
Since blatant unapologetic racism is going mainstream in this comments section of UnHerd would it be OK for me to write?: ‘God help us all if the Jews continue to run the West’.
Now before the useful idiots that usually comment on these matters go nuclear with all their downvotes – OK,OK,OK. Thought not. How silly of me – some races are definitely superior to other races (well at least one anyway!).
Perhaps stick to Facebook with your conspiracy theories. UnHerd is for IQs above 50.
Let me make things clearer There are 16 million Jews in the world or 0.2% of the world population. This compares to 1.8 billion Muslims, 24% of the world’s population.
For those who wonder, FII is
“the Kingdom’s flagship business summit — the Future Investment Initiative — in Riyadh. “
Vijay Kant
6 months ago
The horse of Islamisation may have bolted before the barn was closed shut.
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Vijay Kant
6 months ago
While IsIamisation may be descending in Saudi Arabia, it is definitely ascending in the rest of the world. The likes of Iran, Hamas and their sympathisers are making sure that the fueI that keeps IsIamisation running is not dried out once the Saudi funding to it stops.
Julian Farrows
6 months ago
I don’t know. Giving orders to have a journalist slowly dismembered? How do you come back from that?
In another time, perhaps, it might have been difficult. But even this will fade as the news cycle turns to the next distraction. “Who knows if it even happened? And besides….”
It’s despicable and inhumane, but the US and the west can’t possibly micromanage the behaviour of despots across the globe. If you want to go after Saudia Arabia, make sure you have secure supply of energy inputs.
You come back from that because our spineless mainstream media fails to remind us of it at every mention of MBS with a short embedded clause. And I think unfortunately that speaks to a wider, more generalized, more normalized, moral degradation.
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Vijay Kant
6 months ago
While Islamisation may be descending in Saudi Arabia, it is definitely ascending in rest of the world. The likes of Iran, Hamas and their sympathisers are making sure that the fuel that keeps Islamisation running is not dried out once the Saudi funding to it stops.
martin logan
6 months ago
You can say all you want about MBS, but SA was supposed to be part of a coalition with Israel and the US that was designed to stop Iran.
That coalition now seems to have been blown apart by Hamas.
This is very bad news for SA, Israel and the West.
And the “mulit-polar” world that is trying to replace it will more likely be a dog-eat dog world.
Vijay Kant
6 months ago
Test for approval!
Last edited 6 months ago by Vijay Kant
mike otter
6 months ago
I read this with an open mind despite a few twitches of the credulity wand until i got to the electric car bit. What does the writer expect to happen? The West to invade Congo and sieze all the coltan, or some how force China and Russia to give up their lithium mines? The notion of “solar kites” and (magic?) solar carpets in the Sahel is like something out of a Harry Potter story, and even if it were feasable has anyone cleared the plan with the Tuareg and other local owners? The belief in electric cars is similar to any other magical thinking, and magic is the basis of all religions from Christianity, through Marxism to Greenism. Ironically Islam is one of the few theisms that can co-exist with scientific theories of knowledge and the Mertonian norms these theories need to thrive. A good starting point to understand KSA in general and MBS in particular is to look at where Aramco is investing in a post petrochem direction: hydrogen.
The world hasn’t started “decarbonising”. Oil and gas consumption is forecast to rise for the rest of this decade. Forecasts after that are pure guesses.
Some of the biggest investors in “net zero” propaganda are Saudi and Qatar. The reason is obvious: net zero hasn’t made a blind bit of difference to CO2 emissions but it has all but stopped Western investment in its own hydrocarbons.
So even if global oil and gas consumption begins to fall in 2030, thanks to its easy to extract reserves Saudi Arabia will have an even larger share of supply and far greater pricing leverage. And if global oil and gas consumption doesn’t fall, Saudi Arabia and the Middle East will rule Western economies.
Spot on. And Russia, for the same reason. Russian money was behind much of the anti-fracking movement in the UK.
Climate Change propaganda has made the West into Putin, Xi and MBS’s Useful Idiots.
Yes. Obvious, or should be. We in the enlightened West don’t seem to be able to think more than one move ahead. Our competition has lapped us but the fans tell us we are winning. How could we not be? It’s embarrassing. See Max below: “We’re not in the early stages of WW III because everyone’s fighting over lithium ”
Nell Clover is spot-on, as always. Unherd: please persuade Ms Clover to become a contributor.
Fossil fuels accounted for 80% of energy production 20 years ago and still accounts for 80% of energy production today.
We in the west have been captured by unserious, even dangerous beliefs, that have not reduced our dependency on fossil fuels at all. It has only made us more dependent to the whims of authoritarian leaders who supply those fuels.
An excellent synopsis if I may say so.
Also a perfect ‘casus belli’ for why the West’ should reimpose total military and political control over the Middle East and the oil reserves it sits on.
We can no longer allow this bunch of insolent “camel jockeys” to interfere with our economies. There would also be undoubted benefits for the so called Middle East peace process.
Perhaps a rallying cry could be “ Islam MUST be destroyed, GOD wills it!
We should exploit our own resources. Canada has vast untapped resources, yet investment in exploration and new development has basically stopped because of the Trudeau regime. And it’s not like energy companies have stopped doing this – they have simply shifted their investment to South America and Africa.
A traditional’Crusade’ was be an easier option than than either exploiting Canadian resources or even starting ‘fracking’ in the U.K.
Islam is being destroyed in China. They are very clever and not sentimental. They want to hang onto power by any means necessary and that includes getting rid of a violent, world-conquering religion.
What a f*****g racist idiot..!!!
Islam is not a race or are you suggesting only certain races can be muslim ?
Yes; for quite some time now, I’ve had the feeling that the dizzy forecasts of an impending ideal world without oil and gas are the equivalent of Paul Ehrlich’s incessant but never materializing predictions of doom: that in the 1970s hundreds of millions would starve, that all sea life would be dead by 1980, that England would no longer exist by 2000, and so on. And all this nonsense from him and similar frantic prophets can be easily found, thanks to the Internet.
I really do enjoy the comments on Unherd as much as the articles. What is your background, you make some excellent points? I’m assuming that your contributions are from a point of knowledge – that vastly underrated attribute.
Net Zero is a scam and will ruin the west. During all these years of focus on Net Zero rain forests are still being destroyed at the rate of areas the size of a football pitch every two seconds, plastic still being dumped in the sea, micro plastics in fish and in our soils, untreated sewage destroying rivers, over fishing of oceans continues to devastate fish numbers to the point of eradication etc etc.
Who is benefitting from net zero?
Russia, Saudi and Iran are the ones benefiting from net zero.
Exactly, it is pointless for the ‘gullible’ west to accept ‘net zero’ with all it’s negative financial consequences if the ‘lungs of the earth’ are still being destroyed. i would have more respect and acceptance of this net zero ideology if there was a concomitant ban on global deforestation.
Alberta will have something to say about that.
Why is it that the most intelligent people can’t or won’t grasp that beyond electric cars and their batteries, the problem of source remains. They are plugged into… what? It’s a fool’s errand until the serious pursue nuclear generated electricity. Sadly there are a lot of fools out there.
Another one of the many policy blunders by the Biden administration. Let’s choke off domestic production of fossil fuels and alienate the largest supplier in the world. Better yet, let’s normalize relations with Iran because they would never murder a journalist. Thanks Joe for four years of political and economic instability.
Were you not taught NEVER to mock the afflicted?
Really, are these the same Iranians whose ‘modesty cops’ have just killed a teenage girl for the crime (gasp) of not wearing a hijab?
Hey Ben, great stuff. We’re not in the early stages of WW III because everyone’s fighting over lithium 😉 Look at the hard data. Oil and gas are more valuable as ever. You say so yourself but didn’t have the courage to follow your own logic all the way through.
The collapsing EV market in the US at least may challenge the hypothesis that we are decarbonizing. Or perhaps it is just a momentary dip. It may not be so risky to bet on the future of oil.
Treating Saudi Arabia as a pariah would be foolish. Even on the more optimistic net zero scenarios, the UK and Europe will remain dependant on Middle East oil way into the 2040s. It is important that SA is aligned with the West and not China. Otherwise the latter may acquire the ability to squeeze our energy supplies at will until then.
In normal circumstances, chopping up journalists should result in a life long exclusion from polite society but in the world of international alliances it is sometimes better to let bygones be bygones. If we could ally with Stalin, who killed millions, we can certainly recognise strategic reality and reconcile with MBS. There is a difference between personal morality and the logic of diplomacy and realpolitik.
For all the money in Arab countries, they have no culture. Islam made sure of that. They have lots of big buildings but the cities are artificial. They import labor from poor countries so even their population is inorganic. God help us if the Arabs continue to colonize the west.
Since blatant unapologetic racism is going mainstream in this comments section of UnHerd would it be OK for me to write?: ‘God help us all if the Jews continue to run the West’.
Now before the useful idiots that usually comment on these matters go nuclear with all their downvotes – OK,OK,OK. Thought not. How silly of me – some races are definitely superior to other races (well at least one anyway!).
Perhaps stick to Facebook with your conspiracy theories. UnHerd is for IQs above 50.
Let me make things clearer There are 16 million Jews in the world or 0.2% of the world population. This compares to 1.8 billion Muslims, 24% of the world’s population.
Another f*****g racist moron..!!!
He’s an enlightened despot, in the same spirit as Frederick the Great. We’ll see if it pans out for al-Saud, economically and morally.
Thank you. Very interesting.
For those who wonder, FII is
“the Kingdom’s flagship business summit — the Future Investment Initiative — in Riyadh. “
The horse of Islamisation may have bolted before the barn was closed shut.
While IsIamisation may be descending in Saudi Arabia, it is definitely ascending in the rest of the world. The likes of Iran, Hamas and their sympathisers are making sure that the fueI that keeps IsIamisation running is not dried out once the Saudi funding to it stops.
I don’t know. Giving orders to have a journalist slowly dismembered? How do you come back from that?
In another time, perhaps, it might have been difficult. But even this will fade as the news cycle turns to the next distraction. “Who knows if it even happened? And besides….”
its easy if you have enough cash or oil
Netanyahoo is killing thousands and will get away with it, why is that
So it’s ok then?
It’s despicable and inhumane, but the US and the west can’t possibly micromanage the behaviour of despots across the globe. If you want to go after Saudia Arabia, make sure you have secure supply of energy inputs.
You come back from that because our spineless mainstream media fails to remind us of it at every mention of MBS with a short embedded clause. And I think unfortunately that speaks to a wider, more generalized, more normalized, moral degradation.
While Islamisation may be descending in Saudi Arabia, it is definitely ascending in rest of the world. The likes of Iran, Hamas and their sympathisers are making sure that the fuel that keeps Islamisation running is not dried out once the Saudi funding to it stops.
You can say all you want about MBS, but SA was supposed to be part of a coalition with Israel and the US that was designed to stop Iran.
That coalition now seems to have been blown apart by Hamas.
This is very bad news for SA, Israel and the West.
And the “mulit-polar” world that is trying to replace it will more likely be a dog-eat dog world.
Test for approval!
I read this with an open mind despite a few twitches of the credulity wand until i got to the electric car bit. What does the writer expect to happen? The West to invade Congo and sieze all the coltan, or some how force China and Russia to give up their lithium mines? The notion of “solar kites” and (magic?) solar carpets in the Sahel is like something out of a Harry Potter story, and even if it were feasable has anyone cleared the plan with the Tuareg and other local owners? The belief in electric cars is similar to any other magical thinking, and magic is the basis of all religions from Christianity, through Marxism to Greenism. Ironically Islam is one of the few theisms that can co-exist with scientific theories of knowledge and the Mertonian norms these theories need to thrive. A good starting point to understand KSA in general and MBS in particular is to look at where Aramco is investing in a post petrochem direction: hydrogen.
Surely hydrogen is a total non-starter? At least in terms of being ‘post petrochem’, as it requires enormous amounts of energy to produce the stuff.
Ignore anyone telling you Hydrogen is a good idea for passenger cars, these people are fools
That said it might have some uses in other areas
Taking long for approval!
Anyone else think this makes no sense?
“as oil gets more expensive to extract the share of it being produced in the countries that can do it cheapest will soar.”