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Richard M
Richard M
5 months ago

Large parts of most western left wing parties are now in thrall to the religion of “social justice” which will brook no criticism of any minorities or causes on the approved list.

No matter how grotesque the actions carried out in the name of a Free Palestine and Islamic “anti-colonislism” in general, the fault in the eyes of these ultra-Progressives will always be with Western oppression through the instrument of Israel.

That Hamas slaughtered babies, that the Taliban throw gay people off buildings, that teenage girls are publicly beaten into brain-death in the name of morality in Iran, and that Christians who 100 years ago made up 20% of the population of the Middle East have been persecuted into virtual non-existence. All these things can be safely excused, mitigated or simply ignored because the ultra-Progressives’ creed tells them its white male capitalists who are the bad guys really.

The hypocrisy of Leftists who consider things like “misgendering” a hate crime but cannot unequivocally condemn men who display the naked, broken body of a young woman as a trophy is sickening.

Glyn R
Glyn R
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard M

It could be argued that when Jewish people were categorised as ‘white colonialists’ by Left wing academics their fate was sealed and the Left turned from them and embraced a new constituency of ‘victims’ to champion. It happened with the Labour Party too following the success of the anti-apartheid regime, they switched their focus to Palestine. Identity politics followed swiftly on the heels of mass immigration and the white working classes found themselves similarly abandoned and castigated.

Jacqueline Burns
Jacqueline Burns
5 months ago
Reply to  Glyn R

And most of us sat comfortably at home watching it happen…..with apologies to those who didn’t. There were not enough of you & other Jews didn’t want to hear your cries of ‘Never Again’ & so, it is happening again but you did not teach your children to be proud of their faith & so they have often been missing from demonstrations against antisemitism because it was not happening to them (shades of Martin Niemöller) & now it is happening to them in Israel & abroad & they, mostly, can’t cope with it so, they run with the majority, supporting those who want to murder them!

Glyn R
Glyn R
5 months ago

One of the greatest heresies to be accused of now is racism for it leads to swift excommunication and most are silenced by the fear of this judgement.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago

There’s that “we” again. Please speak for yourself.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Will you change your mind when they come for you?

David Giles
David Giles
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

No, she won’t ever change her mind. She’ll be coming with them.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago

I DID teach my children, and when they became teenagers, my liberal father, who likes to ‘call’ himself a Jew, while he denies everything that goes with that, including God, UNtaught them…his money apparently became stronger than the truth. I haven’t given up on the children OR him, I pray.
David, THANK YOU for your article!!! May it give ALL of the fence-straddlers, the deniers and doubters, a real Zetz in their hearts and minds!!!

Last edited 5 months ago by UnHerd Reader
Samuel Gee
Samuel Gee
5 months ago
Reply to  Glyn R

More insidious than that. They do this also to other ethnicities and races that mess up their neat equation. If your world view is that oppression and racism breeds poverty and despair and that you (the lefty saviour) are there to fight against racism and for the oppressed and lift them from poverty and oppression, then Jews, Chinese, Indians, Koreans and others are a problem. Despite specific laws banning Chinese people from owning property in some states as recently as 1948. Despite the internment and property, business losses, forced displacement of Japanese Americans in WW11. Despite Koreans and Vietnamese arriving more recently literally with nothing, Despite Jews literally being excluded from elite universities in living memory and shoved into gas chambers likewise, they still don’t seem to need a lefty saviour. In fact, a little bit wary of the saviours. They do quite well educationally, and economically. And that’s a problem for a left saviour. A massive problem. Because if racism is systemic and oppressive then how do you explain how well these demographics are doing? And so, you need a new theory, an addendum which keeps your ideology intact when it comes up against evidence which disproves it. So, you need to make sure that Jews, aren’t counted as an oppressed racial minority. You make them white. (see comments by Whoopi Goldberg about the holocaust not being a racist thing just a dispute between some white people) Ditto ethnic Asian Americans they are “White Adjacent”. That’s a new version of a racist slur for successful black people.
Because if Jews and other minorities who have suffered oppression aren’t white in some way then the whole race industrial complex comes crashing on down round their ears and their livelihoods. Even Joe Biden telling a black American on TV that if he doesn’t vote for Joe Biden “He isn’t Black” was letting the cat out of the bag.

Nardo Flopsey
Nardo Flopsey
5 months ago
Reply to  Samuel Gee

That’s an odd thing for Whoopi to say, considering she has built her image on being a Jewish black woman… Then again, I’ve seen some very strange alignments of Jewish intellectuals in recent days. “Acting against one’s own interests” indeed!

Pat Rowles
Pat Rowles
5 months ago
Reply to  Nardo Flopsey

Odd? Do bear in mind that this is the same Whoopi Goldberg who said that Rachel Dolezal could identify as black if she wanted to, and that Jill Biden would make a great Surgeon General, despite having no medical qualifications whatsoever.

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
5 months ago
Reply to  Nardo Flopsey

She picked the name “Goldberg” out of a hat, and I’ve seen nothing to indicate she associated it with Jewishness. All she is, is a know-nothing with an oversized mouth — and ass, going by recent video.

m pathy
m pathy
5 months ago
Reply to  Samuel Gee

In California, they are going for successful Indian immigrants using caste – a concept they barely understand- to bring them down.

Katja Sipple
Katja Sipple
5 months ago
Reply to  m pathy

The screaming crowds of the left, guided by ideological fervour, and even their quieter supporters, hardly understand any complex concepts. It’s not just the Indian caste system, but also the role of tribalism and patriarchal hierarchies in many African cultures, and of course religion.

My acquaintances on the left know very little to nothing about Islam, its founding phase, its expansion, its basic tenets, etc. One woman, mid30s, told me that she thinks the Iranian regime deserves support because it is anti-Western and anti-Capitalist! The fact that women and men have been brutally abused and killed by this regime doesn’t matter to her. This is a woman who considers herself a feminist, and an anti-capitalist despite living in an expensive house, and whose investment banker (yes, I know!) husband enables her to live a very comfortable lifestyle!

Geoff Cooper
Geoff Cooper
5 months ago
Reply to  Samuel Gee

Yes, the way those east Asian Americans with their strong family structure, great respect for education, business sense and work ethic that all help them to thrive in the new country are now seen by the left as the new ‘whites’ is so telling.
Increasingly common African American violence against east Asians, sometimes even fatal, has even been characterized by the left as ‘white supremacist’ even though the perpetrators are black. It does not fit the left race narrative so they resort to outright lies rather than face the uncomfortable truth.

P N
P N
5 months ago
Reply to  Glyn R

That started with the Soviets in the 1970s. It was they who coined the term Palestinian as distinct from Arabs so that the Israelis were not a minority among Arabs but a majority oppressing Palestinians.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
5 months ago
Reply to  Glyn R

Yes but wen it came to turning the guns on whitey large parts of the Jewish media and academic establishment were cheerleading. It could be viewed as reaping what you sow

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Guillermo Torres
Guillermo Torres
5 months ago

Translation: “I’m not gonna say the Jews deserved it, but it could be viewed as their fault.”

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
5 months ago

Well that’s not what I said but since you raise the point lets examine the evidence.
 Large parts of the Jewish media and academic establishment were heavily engaged in pushing BLM, CRT, white privilege and large scale immigration of non-whites to the West. At the same time they were pleading a special case that while we may look white we are not really white and we really are victims too.
This was not harmless politicking. It was divisive, vicious, demonising and violent, and an impartial observer could be forgiven for thinking that it borrowed from the race hate playbook.
An impartial observer might also be forgiven for finding Jewish shock and horror that large parts of the immigrant population it campaigned to bring into the West are anti-Semitic a touch ironic.
But I suppose the real question is not, as you suggested, whether it was their fault but what did they think they were doing in the first place and what did they hope to achieve.
On this point it is notable that the mainstream media and commentators have only really started to turn on BLM and to question what these people are doing in the West since al this kicked-off

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago

Not even stupid people deserve to be murdered.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
5 months ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Absolutely true, but for God’s sake why would you invite you enemies into your country

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago

Only if you’re as stupid as they were.

P N
P N
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard M

The Soviets noticed this in the 1970s and so their propaganda machines sprang into action and invented the term, “Palestinian” as distinct from Arab. This meant that the Jews were no longer an oppressed minority among the oppressive majority Arabs, but were themselves a majority oppressing the minority Palestinians. The Kremlin also forced Arafat to change his message from destroying Israel to freeing Palestine because they knew this would go down well in Western capitals. Seems to have turned out well for Russia.

El Uro
El Uro
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard M

I commented on your post just to get noticed and to receive more likes.
However, let me say that the article “How David Mamet Betrayed the Jews” would have been much more interesting.
A few weeks ago I was in Hungary. The owner of the apartment we booked was named Aaron. I remember he ended our short conversation with the phrase: “Here in Hungary, we Jews are completely integrated.”
“Till the first war” flashed through my mind…
It’s a real story

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Apo State
Apo State
5 months ago
Reply to  El Uro

I’m confused as to why this comment was downvoted
was the content changed via the noted “edit”?

Dengie Dave
Dengie Dave
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard M

Hi Richard, I do my best to inform myself with facts and knowledge that counter the narratives of antisemitism. One of those persistent narratives is that Christians are under threat from Jews/Israel in the Holy Land (as promoted by Jerusalem Patriarch Theophilis III). His Christmas statement, and commentary on it, ignored the fact that the Christian population of Israel is growing, yet declining elsewhere in Middle East. Can you point to me somewhere I can nail the fact that, as you say, Christians who 100 years ago made up 20% of the population of the Middle East have been persecuted into virtual non-existence. Best, Dave

Elizabeth Hamilton
Elizabeth Hamilton
5 months ago
Reply to  Dengie Dave

That information is easy to find, Dave.

Richard M
Richard M
5 months ago
Reply to  Dengie Dave

As reported in no less an impeccable left wing outlet as the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/02/persecution-driving-christians-out-of-middle-east-report

Dengie Dave
Dengie Dave
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard M

That’s a surprise. many thanks

Paul Curtin
Paul Curtin
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard M

See also the book: “The Vanishing – the twilight of Christianity in the Middle East by Janine di Giovanni”
2000 years of community being persecuted out.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Paul Curtin

It’s a very thorough and well researched book.

David Yetter
David Yetter
5 months ago
Reply to  Dengie Dave

The Christian population growth in Israel has a curious origin: the Law of Return lets anyone whom the Nazis would have killed for being a Jew claim Israeli citizenship. That means one Jewish grandparent suffices. But to be Jewish by descent in the view of religious Jews means matrilineal descent: being child of a Jewish mother. Many Russian Orthodox Christians who had a Jewish grandparent took advantage of the Law of Return to escape from the Soviet Union and move to Israel. It is not Arab Christians whose population is growing.
There is a threat to Christians in Israel from Jews: the threat of being spat at by Haredim or roughed up by Israeli soliders. Of course, the threat to Christians in Israel from the Muslims of Hamas and Hezbollah is very much the same as the threat they pose to Jews in Israel

Richard Blaine
Richard Blaine
5 months ago
Reply to  Dengie Dave

And who are the persecutors

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Konstantinos Stavropoulos
Konstantinos Stavropoulos
5 months ago
Reply to  Dengie Dave

I am confused by this comment. Since everyone is on “fact checking”, let’s see some facts.

Last week, a Church building was bombed in Gaza causing 18 deaths. the World Council of Churches (WCC) condemned the attack while Patriarch Theophilus’ called it a war crime. In his words..:
“targeting churches and its affiliated institutions, in addition to the shelters they provide to protect innocent citizens, especially children, and women who lost their homes as a result of the Israeli bombing of residential areas during the past thirteen days, constitutes a war crime that cannot be ignored.”
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/global-christian-body-slams-israeli-air-attack-on-greek-orthodox-church-in-gaza/3028830

Moreover in his interview to “Osservatore Romano” Patriarch Theophilus clearly calls for peace..:
“Ultimately, our message is one of unwavering faith, commitment to peace, and the belief that, as Christians, we are called to be peacemakers in this land, embodying the hope for a brighter and more harmonious future for all its inhabitants. We continue to pray and work for peace, justice, and the well-being of every soul in this sacred and troubled region.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/greek-orthodox-patriarch-jerusalem-theophilos-interview-gaza.html

Ending the citations, last Christmas Patriarch Theophilus in his message called humankind to follow Christ who “taught peace, and love even towards the enemies.”
“…He healed the sick, fed the hungry, and raised the dead. By words and deeds, he taught peace, and love even towards the enemies and delivered the Church as a legacy to his apostles, which He redeemed with His own blood on the Cross. Ever since the days of His Resurrection from the dead and His Ascension to heaven, the Church obeying His command preaches His word “to the end of the earth” (Acts 1:8) and reminds people that those alive on earth “have their conversation in heaven” (Phil. 3:20), they are predestined not to fight each other in “chariots and horses”, not to shed blood on the earth killing each other endlessly, but to ascend to heaven.”
https://www.greeknewsusa.com/christmas-message-of-patriarch-theophilos-of-jerusalem/

As for the number of christians in Israel “ignored in his message”, he also “ignored” to mention a lot of good things in Israel. This doesn’t mean he truly ignores them. Don’t twist his thinking please.

ps1. All the above, in my best intentions towards Israelis and Palestinians.
ps2. Peace on Earth..!

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Philip Clayton
Philip Clayton
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard M

Can you please give me a single quoted and sourced example of where ANYONE left-wing supported the killing of Jews, or throwing gays off roofs, murdering gays, or the grotesue philosophy against women in Iran or Afghanistan? I will bet you can’t, in fact I’ll give you ÂŁ50 if you can.

Richard M
Richard M
5 months ago
Reply to  Philip Clayton

Well, first of all, that’s easy. The Democratic Socialists of America’s Salt Lake chapter’s response in support of the attacks (now deleted of course) was, “it is not terrorism or anti-semitism to fight against this injustice.”

I’m sure if you send the ÂŁ50 to Unherd, they will forward it on to me.

However, let’s be clear about things. In my post above I did not say people on the Left “support” killing babies etc. I said that to many on the Left “All these things can be safely excused, mitigated or simply ignored”.

And that is exactly what we’ve seen following these attacks. A tsunami of whataboutery from the Left. Statements condemning Israeli “colonialism” which completely fail to mention Hamas’s brutalisation of innocents. And in so many cases, the kind of Left wing politician or celebrity who can’t wait to signal how virtuous they are by condemning everyone and everything as “fascist Nazis” suddenly forgetting their Twitter password when it comes to actual fascists killing actual Jews in the streets.

Mark Carpenter
Mark Carpenter
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard M

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/opinion/trans-teen-suicide-judaism.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/opinion/is-god-transgender.html
Here are two articles in the New York Times written by rabbis telling us that transgenderism is part of the Jewish religion and repeating all the usual transactivist misinformation. For LBJ, Carter, Clinton democrats from the South it feels like the New York Jewish newspaper is stuffing the culture war down our throats.
Who is betraying who, Mr Mamet?
I have a 13 year old niece in TX who thinks she’s a boy. I have been watching the New York Times lie and lie to promote that shit. They havent printed any detrans stories. They repeat the suicidality lie over and over. They havent questioned gender-affirming care nearly enough. They havent interviewed any of the women abused by Lia Thomas. And they called Rachel Levine the first female admiral.
Working class democrats of all races hate transgender ideology. It comes out of elite academia and the New York Times. People like Judith Butler who proudly identify as Jewish. Why are you blaming us, David Mamet? Arent many of your people also to blame for destroying the modern democrats.
[note; I changed last line from “its largely your people who are” to “Arent many of your people also” because the far left radicals arent just Jewish. And tons of Jewish people are moderate democrats.]

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Greg Morrison
Greg Morrison
5 months ago

I despise Hamas and their attacks on Israel. I support the existence of Israel as a Jewish state, or a state for Jews, (whichever they choose) and I believe in the ongoing right of Israel to exist, and to defend itself robustly. I entirely agree that Jews have often been appallingly treated by Christians and Christian societies, including most obviously the medieval pogroms and the blood libel.
But I do not accept that the mistreatment of Jews is based upon the gospel narratives: the idea, which the writer appears to support, that all of this started because of the early Christians making clear claims that the promised Messiah had arrived. The insinuation is that, to some extent at least, Birkenau, Jihad and the ‘woke’ anti-Semitic Left are all in some sense part of a long line of cause/effect that started with Christ’s followers ‘slandering’ their parent faith.

This, it seems to me, is just as simplistic and useless as the claims of the anti-semites. The early Christians were of course themselves Jews, and like Christians today they venerated the books of the ‘old’ Covenant as sacred prefigurings of the promised Messiah that they believed had finally arrived: to save them from ‘their father, the devil’. These Jews no longer believed that the benefits of the covenant existed only for Jews, but that in the New Covenant of Christ the benefits were opened up to all men. True or false, that is at the very centre of the claim of having ‘Good News’ to share.
If we say, simplistically, that anti-Semitism started from Christian claims, then we are in effect blaming Jews for the origin of Jew hatred. This strikes me not simply as obscene and incorrect, but also fairly stupid.
The tragic history of the Jews is to have maintained a beautiful and truly impressive tradition of culture and faith as a people in diaspora: and that for this they have suffered time and again the injustices visited upon minorities by majorities. The heart of this problem is not some lines in the gospel of St John, but I think has to do with something utterly twisted and broken in the heart of man, which can be seen in every society and people on the planet: witness the treatment of Protestants by Catholic majorities, the treatment of Catholics by Protestant majorities, the treatment of the Celts by the Saxons, the treatment of everyone else by the Romans, the treatment of the Native Americans by the European settlers, the treatment of smaller Slavic States by Russia, the treatment of less warlike tribes by the Zulus, the treatment of Israel by its Muslim majority neighbours. Dare I add that unless the state of Israel is infallibly Just, this same human weakness is at the heart of any occasional failings in justice or compassion towards innocent Palestinian civilians? (And no, that does not mean Israel has no right to exist, or that Hamas represents anything remotely approaching a ‘just cause’).

It is this capacity for cruelty in Man, and its regular visitation upon Jewish victims, that means Israel must exist and must be defended. But the true battle still lies within us all: and it’s quite literally as old as sin.

Gordon Chamberlain
Gordon Chamberlain
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

Amen!

Glyn R
Glyn R
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

Excellent post. Thank you.

Bartholomew Whitheath
Bartholomew Whitheath
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

Thank you

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

All true and well said. There are also some other matters of fact that were incorrect in this otherwise excellent article: The Christian church did not begin in 77CE, it began on the first day of Pentecost after the Crucifixion; Jesus challenged the religious leaders who later engineered his death as Satan-inspired evil doers, not all Jews; Christianity did not slander its parent religion, but rather asserted the truth of its prophetic announcement of a coming Messiah. As so often happens, we are right about what we assert and wrong about what we deny.

John Solomon
John Solomon
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

If Christianity did not slander its parentbreligion, how do you explain the Good Friday prayer for the Jews (look it up on Wikipedia). I can recall references to ‘the perfidious Jews’ from my childhood in a Catholic community where no-one had ever seen, let alone met, a jewish person. I feel tainted, and shamed, by association, to be honest.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  John Solomon

You’re correct, John, but at least the Roman Catholic Church revised that prayer in 1959.

Katja Sipple
Katja Sipple
5 months ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

That explains why I never experienced this prayer! It was revised almost 20 years before my birth. I grew up in a family with a Catholic mother and an Anglican father, attended mass at both churches, and went to a Catholic boarding school for girls in Dorset. Never did I hear references to perfidious Jews—in prayers or otherwise.

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Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

Well said. In my zeal to support Israel and unconditionally reject Hamas and the Palestinian cause entirely, I admit I missed how Mamet rather threw Christian Europe under the proverbial bus to make his point. Perhaps as a result of the regular and unquestioned criticism of Christianity from the mainstream media and intellectual community, I’ve become desensitized. Shame on me. You are right to point out that the Jews were by no means the only minority to suffer at the hands of majorities across all of Europe and everywhere since humanity has existed. Perhaps its easier to overlook other examples because most other groups are minorities in some places but majorities in other places, and tended to give as good as well as they got. Jews, on the other hand, were, until very recently, everywhere in the minority. This underscores the importance of Israel, the Jewish homeland. The small scrap of land on the Mediterranean coast hardly balances the equation, but it’s at least lessening the imbalance.

Elizabeth Hamilton
Elizabeth Hamilton
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

What country do you live in Greg Morrison? It’s self-evident to me, here in Catholic France, that one of the well springs of today’s anti-semitism is Christianity and the Church. This self-evidence is the fruit of many decades of casual conversation with people of all sorts as well as a familiarity with French letters going back to when French first became a written language. You see the same memes and themes repeated over and over again, it’s direct lineage. Mamet cites John 8:44 as the first instance of such and though I have no particular opinion on that, I’m certainly willing to entertain the idea that it may in fact be anti-semitic and am perfectly willing to further research how the early Church’s stances on Judaism prefigure modern anti-semitism. I do not understand your lengthy and impassioned objection.

Northern Observer
Northern Observer
5 months ago

Jacobin anti semitism has always been more dangerous and lethal than Catholic anti semitism. This is very hard for leftists, liberals and atheists to accept because it calls for humility and change. In many ways this is the history of the West since 1204 and the road that led us to our present moment. Do the anointed have the ability to see or the will to change? Only time will tell.

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Richard Blaine
Richard Blaine
5 months ago

John 8:44 Almost 2000 years of either official or silently sanctioned and dogmatic Anti- Semitism Papal Concordat with Germany Vatican Rat Line Silent acceptance or encouragement of Ghettos
SERIOUSLY?!

Kelly Madden
Kelly Madden
5 months ago

John 8:44 is a quote from Jesus.
Might that be relevant?
Might it be worth noting, about a quote speaking “of the Jews,” as Mamet frames it?
(Jesus was a Jew, by the way, since you are from “Catholic” France.)
(See my longer comment in this thread.)

Maureen Newman
Maureen Newman
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

Beginning with Abraham God chose the Jews to be His ‘peculiar treasure’ a people He would love and be loved by, in return. The twists and turns of that relationship are to be found in the Old Testament. God sent Christ into the world to offer salvation to all by the remission of sin through Christs death on a Roman Cross. Sadly, the Jews rejected Christ and still await their Messiah, but they remain God’s Chosen People in perpetuity. Satan is the great enemy of God and of all the living. Above all, he hates the Jews who are the ‘apple of God’s eye’. That fact alone, is the reason why the Jews are so often viciously persecuted but those who touch the Jews do so at their peril.

Kelly Madden
Kelly Madden
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

Yes indeed.
I’m pro-Israel, have been all my life. Why? Mostly because as a Christian child, I was taught, in church, that the state of Israel per se represents the heirs of Abraham, and that those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed.
(I now think that that oversimplifies the case. But it still… pertains, and I can’t envision any likely scenario would cause a change in my attitude toward Israel.)
By and large, American orthodox Christians are the best non-Jewish friends that Israel has in the world. We certainly account for the pro-Israel tilt of the U.S.
(Or does anyone really suppose that American Jews have that much political influence, all alone?!)
Now, the Gospel according to St. John 8:44, cited by Mamet, is speaking “of the Jews” only in the sense that the Jewish authorities are there rejecting Jesus’ teaching and claims about himself.
Because it is Jesus who said those words, according to the text, and he was a Jew!
His mother, father, family, disciples, followers and everyone there listening, including St. John himself, were Jews.
My God is a Jew.
I cannot and will not defend many, many Christians’ misdeeds and sick attitudes towards Jews across Christian history.
But here’s an essential distinction: It is not antisemitism to think that Judaism—and therefore Jews as theological rivals—are mistaken about the identity of Jesus. Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, we believe, and we have often died proclaiming. That’s not gonna change.
I’m willing to give Mamet some slack. I love his writing, plays, books, even his odd-ball cartoons.
Plus, what does a gentile like me know about what his people have suffered, or what his loved-ones might be suffering now?
But it doesn’t excuse misrepresentation of essential facts.
(And it does nothing to keep friends for Israel. But he’s welcome, anyway. We’re here for Israel.)

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
5 months ago
Reply to  Kelly Madden

Precisely. Things that persist into the future do so because they were provided support.

Patti Dunne
Patti Dunne
5 months ago
Reply to  Kelly Madden

Thank you for saying this. I was trying to think of how to address it and then I saw your response.

Mark Gourley
Mark Gourley
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

Thank you. One of the very best comment pieces I have read. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  Mark Gourley

Good luck with praying!

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

Please no not the generalization of “us” again. Please speak for yourself.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

I think that you (and many others) have oversimplified the question of Christian anti-Judaism in relation to the New Testament. It took many centuries for that to become distorted by secular (racial) anti-Semitism. There is a historical link but not a direct or inevitable one.
It’s true that Jesus and his immediate followers, the earliest Christians, were Jews and neither anti-Jewish nor anti-Semitic. But within one or two generations, especially after 70 AD, when Rome destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem, the early church was already becoming largely gentile–that is, Roman converts–and soon became entirely gentile.
Moreover, it took another three hundred years for the church to canonize written versions (as distinct from oral ones) of the four gospels (while rejecting other gospels). By that time, Judaism and Christianity had long since gone their separate and increasingly hostile ways.
Traces of this spiritual divorce remain embedded in canonized texts of the New Testament, although many Christians no longer interpret these in anti-Jewish (let alone anti-Semitic) ways. On the contrary, many Christians now emphasize their spiritual kinship with Jews as a sign of Christian authenticity.
What I’ve just written about the canonical texts has been common knowledge among scholars of biblical literature in both universities and (many but not all) seminaries for well over a century. Those who believe that Christian teachings have always been exactly as they now appear in written and canonized texts, unsurprisingly, do not accept the possibility that these texts ever evolved within historical contexts. That is a theological perspective, of course, not a scholarly one. I mention the latter now–five days too late– only because it belongs in any open discussion of this topic.

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UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg Morrison

Truly wonderful and beautiful instruction Sir! God bless you .

J Bryant
J Bryant
5 months ago

What struck me about this article is its style. I’ve read Mr. Mamet’s other Unherd articles and I sometimes found them to be impenetrable. His style is often discursive, at least for me. I simply assumed that’s a hallmark of a great writer.
This essay is different. The author’s prose is crystalline and he nails his principal thesis to a tree and shines a spotlight on it. There can be no misunderstanding his message. And perhaps that’s one hallmark of a great writer: the ability to fit style to context.
As for the Democrats, all I can add is Biden had to appease the progressive extremists in 2020 to get elected, and he’s having to do it again if he hopes to be elected in 2024. The Devil demands his tribute.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
5 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Biden didn’t have to appease anyone, or do anything at all, to “get elected” other than be breathing. He was installed for the very reason that he would do as he was/is told.
Yes, this article is very clear. I hope the resident UnHerd commenters who spew their hatred for Israel in favor of the terrorists calling themselves “Palestinians” will reflect a bit on the history of the Jews.

Paul Devlin
Paul Devlin
5 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

It’s crystalline and unhinged. It is pure Christian hatred for the most part

Nona Yubiz
Nona Yubiz
5 months ago
Reply to  Paul Devlin

What’s unhinged is David Mamet. Whatever your political beliefs, to express such uncritical support for such a useless waste of cells as Donald Trump tells me that Mamet is suffering from early onset dementia. That would explain his often impenetrable prose, as well as the fact that sometimes he’s still somewhat coherent. https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2022/feb/23/trump-great-job-president-david-mamet-free-speech-gender-politics-election-rigging-woods

Northern Observer
Northern Observer
5 months ago
Reply to  Nona Yubiz

Again, willing to die a believer while the flames of your beliefs consume you.

Mark epperson
Mark epperson
5 months ago
Reply to  Paul Devlin

Paul,
I feel sorry for you, it seems hatred has consumed you.

Northern Observer
Northern Observer
5 months ago
Reply to  Paul Devlin

What Mamet fails to appreciate or notice – which an author and playwright of his capacity is fully capable of – is that the anti Christian passion he feels and acts on is the very force that has brought America and the Jewish Community to the ground it stands on today. The Nemesis is staring him in the face yet he refuses to see it – but that would mean nuancing the victimhood narrative of 77 AD to 1946 AD and Mamet refuses to be nuanced less the enemy use it to hurt his people. Understandable but not Wisdom, more like Rhetoric.

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Alex Carnegie
Alex Carnegie
5 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Like you I sometimes struggle with Mamet’s discursive style and am left uncertain of his main point. In this case, I take his main conclusion to be that anti-semitism is deeply embedded in western and specifically Christian culture.

I do not disagree but I think another factor behind anti-semitism is sometimes neglected. Other clearly identifiable ethnic minorities who enjoy disproportionate economic success have sometimes become similarly hated – without the two millennia of religious antagonism. Two twentieth century examples are the overseas Chinese in Indonesia and the Ugandan Asians. The former were subjected to officially orchestrated massacres in the 1960s that left perhaps a million dead. The latter were expelled and ended up in Britain to the great benefit of the latter.

The Holocaust was a uniquely evil historical episode. The wider phenomenon of anti-semitism is, however, not without parallels elsewhere. It remains abhorrent but i do not see it as unique.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

I don’t think being “impenetrable and discursive”is the hallmark of a good writer. On the contrary. And yes, I agree this essay is more readable.

Daniel P
Daniel P
5 months ago

I have no idea why the Jews have stuck with the democrats over the last 30 yrs.

I kinda get how philosophically they would fit with the old school democrats but this new generation, this new version of the democrats? It makes no sense to me at all. It just does not.

When I think of Jews, I think of education and enlightenment and being articulate. I think of art and literature and science. I think of bravery in all those areas. Then, and only then, do I think of the atrocities perpetrated against them for centuries. Then, I marvel at how they have maintained their humanity.

But it seems to me that the modern left, the left of the democrats in the US and I suppose Labor in the UK, exists in complete contradiction of the values that I associate with Judaism.

If I ever questioned the need for a Jewish state, which, as an American the idea that any religion would or should have a state is contrary to my core beliefs, I do not now.

Maybe I had hoped that we had progressed far enough that the Jews, like some endangered species in need of a preserve, would not need a religious state of their own. Regardless, it appears that that was a hopeful and naive position.

If we in the west have any humanity left, we need to assure that Israel continues to exist and thrive as best it can.

That is not to say that Palestinians are not human, or that they too are not in need of a safe space to exist and thrive, but to say that Israel, set in the Kingdom of David, is where it needs to be. But the Palestinians are, if even inadvertently, the colonizers if one is willing to look back to the roots of the land. We can blame the Romans, the Ottomans and the British if we want, for the situation of both the Jews and the Palestinians. But at the end of the day, the land is intrinsically Judea, it is Jewish and the Jewish homeland.

The question before us today is how we preserve that and find a way to establish a Palestinian homeland and how do we keep the forces of evil like Hamas and Iran from exploiting it?

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
5 months ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Why have the Jews in Britain, especially prominent ones in the arts and entertainment, stuck with Labour?

Pedro the Exile
Pedro the Exile
5 months ago

Precisely-for such a smart bunch they seem irredeemably stupid, blind or naĂŻve when it comes to voting for a Party whose current claim is that it is no longer quite as anti Semitic as it was under Corbyn.

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D Glover
D Glover
5 months ago

It is instructive to read this article and substitute Democrat with Labour.

A Fair Shake, a safety net, and unionism were manna to the newly arrived 

Labour used to be very keen on Jews when the kibbutzim were the best model in the world of socialism in action.
Then Labour types decided they preferred Muslims instead. This still baffles me, because if you like women’s equality, tolerance of gays, religious pluralism and free speech then your new friends seem problematic, to say the least.

Rob N
Rob N
5 months ago
Reply to  D Glover

Labour decided they preferred the Muslims because there were more votes to be had from Muslims and because, like with Blacks and Jews in the US, they knew that most of the spurned supporters would still keep voting for them.

And the Muslims fitted the ‘Victims needing saving’ hole very well. Soon however the Muslims will crush the Labour Party just like they will crush ‘Queers for Palestine’

David Yetter
David Yetter
5 months ago
Reply to  D Glover

It is simple: Labour is a party of the Left, and one of the most fundamental commitments of the Left since it got that name from the seating arrangement in the French National Assembly has been antipathy toward Christianity. Leftist Islamophilia is an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend phenomenon.

D Glover
D Glover
5 months ago
Reply to  David Yetter

No, that’s not it. The British Labour party doesn’t descend from any French faction.
It descended from trade unionists who were mostly Methodists.
Many Labour people today will be atheist, but they have much to fear from Islam in the future.

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John Solomon
John Solomon
5 months ago

The propensity of turkeys to vote for Christmas is profoundly depressing.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
5 months ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Jews remain Democrats from social conditioning, fear of ostracism, rationalization in the face of contrary evidence, and have you ever looked at and listened to the Republicans?
fwiw, I am a Reform Jew in Chicago. I was born in 1950, by 1972 I knew the Democrats were full of sh*t and not my friend, but couldn’t overcome my upbringing until 1996. And I am considered an independent thinker. (Myers-Briggs INTJ if you are into such things.)

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  Martin Johnson

I’m into such things, I’m an INFJ. Also into The Enneagram (type 4/5) How about you?
“Have you ever listened to the Republicans?” Exactly, say no more!!

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Daniel P
Daniel P
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Well Jesus Clare…..I am an INFJ too. Only, being male, I am even more rare. LOL

Abe Stamm
Abe Stamm
5 months ago

Like Mr. Mamet, I too am a NY-metropolitan Jew, born a decade after the first B&W photos of the liberated concentration camps were released from horrified GI photojournalists representing the British, American and, yes, the Russian armies. I remember as a boy, sitting in the basement of my synagogue where Holocaust survivors, members of our congregation, unabashedly displayed their Nazi registered arm tattoos, some telling their brutal stories, others unable to recount their hellish experiences aloud. An 8MM movie projector showed a bootleg film of dead Jewish bodies stacked like cordwood, focused in on blank-faced living corpses who didn’t quite comprehend that they were free, panned mountains of shoes and other personal belongings that once belonged to the now murdered Jews of Europe.
I grew up a classic “liberal Jew”, like Mamet, in a State that’s rarely elected a governor that wasn’t a Democrat, within a gorgeous urban melting pot, a large city that has only ever had a Democrat major. I now live in The Catskills, a place where Jewish-Americans have vacationed for over a century, and where Hasidic Jews take over the town a mile down the road during the summer, their distinct clothing and religious styling clashing, yet coexisting, with the locals who have Dutch names traceable to the 1600’s when New York was called New Amsterdam, and where a new, large immigrant Hispanic community have found sanctuary (and excellent employment opportunities) in the middle of a forever wild forest preserve.
In closing, I’m still liberal, a 1960’s liberal, but I’m no longer a Democrat. As a Jewish American I can no longer vote for a party that when it’s not overtly supporting antisemitism (and anti-Zionism), is quietly condoning it. And, the worst thing, as I come closer to ending my 7th decade as an American, I’m thinking that it might be time to exercise my 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. For the first time I’m actually contemplating purchasing a firearm to protect myself in this the land of the free and home of the brave. You have no idea how this saddens me.

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Warren Trees
Warren Trees
5 months ago
Reply to  Abe Stamm

I’m very happy to learn that you are finally coming around, even if it took you 70 years!

Dengie Dave
Dengie Dave
5 months ago
Reply to  Abe Stamm

Heart-wrenching – and bless you. Your comment kinda echoes my sentiments as a liberal English half-Jew who formerly voted Labour and has never yet voted Conservative. In that respect I feel disenfranchised by the antisemitism of the Left. Who is there for me to vote for? In fact, all the antisemitism I’ve experienced in my small town, where I know no other Jews, is from the liberal left who’ve moved out from London and brought their bigotry with them. The final wake-up call was at a dinner party where someone I believed to be one of my dearest friends said of someone else: “She’s English, but her partner’s Jewish.” Wow! until then I was under the illusion that I was English. But not to these people. Hearing that conjured up an image of a dinner party in a Berlin salon in the 1920s. It also made me a feel a fool for having dared to share my Jewishness in what I thought was a safe place to do so. Suffice to say, I’ve stopped going to dinner parties.

Abe Stamm
Abe Stamm
5 months ago
Reply to  Dengie Dave

I just finished an article by Konstantin Kisin, where he says, A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Abe Stamm

Well said; reminds me of the cliche, “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me.”

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  Abe Stamm

It’s hard to imagine Hasidic Jews having a holiday. Do they frolic and have fun? Do they swim in swimsuits?

Abe Stamm
Abe Stamm
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

HA!! I’ve never actually witnessed any frolicking, but I see the Hasidic walking the streets of town, ignoring traffic, the men wearing their long black coats, black pants, white shirts, and black hats, all bearded and side-curled (called payas), even in the heat of summer. The women, many with babies or small children, have their heads covered, and they wear ankle length dresses, which again isn’t summer friendly.
The Hasidic community is very insular, and ultra religious. They don’t mingle with anyone but their own. They could be having a rip-roaring time in the privacy of their summer homes and apartments, but I’m not privy to it. They don’t eat in the local restaurants, or shop at the grocery store, because they follow strict Kosher rules when it comes to ingesting food & beverage. Their food is transported from their (mostly) Brooklyn neighborhoods on a weekly basis.

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Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  Abe Stamm

It’s all very creepy. When one thinks of the brain-washing, inbreeding, and repression that goes on in this cult.I’ve seen documentaries about a couple of young men who kind of escaped. And a woman who was trying to get away from her husband. The men had no education and were finding it very hard to adapt. I doubt society would allow this kind of abuse if it wasn’t being done in the name of religion. It’s cruel and tragic.

Daniel P
Daniel P
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Clare,

How many of them are you actually closely associated with?

How many do you know personally?

Seriously, you are coming across as bigoted and racist.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

When they start murdering young female concert goers in foreign lands is when you really want to start worrying. Though perhaps the left will start to like them when they do that?

m pathy
m pathy
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Would you write this of conservative muslims? If not, ask yourself why.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  m pathy

Yes, I would write that, why not? The same applies to any cult.

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UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Just don’t do a Salman Rushdie and write a book about it and then make public appearances. They’d get you at one of them, eventually.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
5 months ago
Reply to  m pathy

I would, we have similar Christian cults in New Zealand and the public views are a combination of disgust and ridicule

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Sounds as though the only way to distinguish them from Islamists is that they don’t blow up English Concert halls full of young girls.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Actually, the Hasidim probably experience more joy than most other people. They just don’t express it in the ways that you take for granted.
At the very heart of their tradition is the search for holiness in everyday life. And holiness, by definition, involves an ecstatic experience. Even though they follow the same commandments as other traditional Jews, they do so not so much as acts of duty but as acts of joy. It’s because they have absorbed ancient mystical traditions (such as kabbalah) but applied these to everyone in ordinary contexts, not only to mystical adepts during meditation. They make a point of praying not with solemnity or sobriety, for example, but with singing or humming wordless melodies and vigorous dancing. On Friday nights in the summer, passersby on the street can hear them welcoming Shabbat in these ways.

Paul Curtin
Paul Curtin
5 months ago
Reply to  Abe Stamm

I am very sad you feel you need to purchase a gun to protect yourself in your home in the US.
Here in the UK I was suitably shocked by the open hate-fest I witnessed first hand in central London last Saturday and I am unhappy to see the pressures this puts the UK Jewish community here which is unwarranted and deeply offensive.
I would wish all of the Jewish faith the best in these trying and distressing times.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Paul Curtin

Odd how the memory of Ariane Grande’s Manchester Concert fades into the background when it comes to reporting on these people, or the Rotherams, Oldhams and Telfords.

Daniel P
Daniel P
5 months ago
Reply to  Abe Stamm

Brother, there is nothing silly or reactionary about wanting to own a firearm for protection.

Just sad it took so long for you to understand the risks that I and many like me have been seeing for 15 yrs or more.

I am a sport shooter. Clays, trap and skeet mostly. But, never thought I would want to own a pistol. Shotguns were fine for the clays. Had rifle to for target practice just cuz I enjoy it. Never thought I would have a reason or a desire to own a pistol. Absolutely never thought I would ever want a permit to carry. Just seemed like a lot of risk for something I would likely never need.

BUT…then I put a Trump sticker on the back of my car!

The crazies that confronted me at the super market, the gas station, even at the pharmacy. This one group of 3 ppl in their 20’s followed me to my car haranguing me as I left Wendy’s. One of the kids, a guy, got up in my face screaming as I tried to get into my car. Kept telling them to back off but they would not. The kid that got in my face started pulling on my car door and slamming it back into me. I finally told them to get the hell away from me or I would start the car and run them over. The girl in the group talked some smack and finally dragged the two guys away.

That is a situation that could have gone very differently and to this day I wish I had had a pistol on me.

You are not crazy to believe that in this day and age you need to be able to protect yourself because there just may not be anyone there to do it for you or a cop close enough to make a difference.

Stuart Bennett
Stuart Bennett
5 months ago

The left has opened up for the world to see. Im glad. After all the sheepish retreats during the anti semitism scandal in the Labour Party a few years ago the truth is now laid bare. As far as I can tell the only people who stand to benefit from the Democrats in the US and the supposedly imminent election of Labour in the UK are Trans activists. They don’t seem to be interested in enabling anything else. The rest of society is to be destroyed. Everyone else from mothers of yet to be born babies through to pensioners is a target for disdain from the Left. I’m baffled as to why anyone is giving them a moments consideration.

Rob N
Rob N
5 months ago
Reply to  Stuart Bennett

You are wrong about only the Trans activists benefiting ftom Labour /Democrats. The pedophiles will (are) too.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  Rob N

Rubbish.A huge generalization.

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UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

‘Generalisation’ suggests even you accept there is reasonable cause 😉

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Rob N

Trans & Paedophiles belong to the same club.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

Milton Gibbon
Milton Gibbon
5 months ago

This is quoting the NT out of context – It isn’t “of Jews”, it is a Jew speaking “to Jews”, speaking to them as he did all people about the misdeeds of their forefathers. Criticism of jewish law (by a person who was himself Jewish and whose disciples were all from that background) isn’t a “horrific attack” and doing so demeans the writer’s argument. Similarly the statement that “Christianity came into being with the destruction of the jewish state” is historically illiterate as is the ridiculous claim that it is “libel” to say that the jews killed Christ. They did. To the Romans this was just another religious squabble between two groups of ‘reformist’ and ‘consevative’ jews. I agree with many of the writers points but these do him a disservice.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
5 months ago
Reply to  Milton Gibbon

That is a fair point and the one part of the article where I thought he over-extended himself.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
5 months ago
Reply to  Milton Gibbon

Thank you for writing this, as the author’s comment about this struck me immediately like a hammer on my head. Completely out of context indeed. Anyone needs to read the entire 8th chapter of John before moving on. In no way, shape or form did Jesus of Nazareth ever disparage his own people. Shame on Mr. Mamet for attempting to throw gasoline on a fire!

tom j
tom j
5 months ago
Reply to  Milton Gibbon

Thanks. I agree, and came down here to make this same point. Jesus was a Jew, all the main characters in the gospels are Jews – there is no concept in the gospels of a non-Jewish Christian. It was the Jews first and foremost, that Jesus came to save (Matthew 15:24 Jesus answered, â€œI was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”)

Elizabeth Hamilton
Elizabeth Hamilton
5 months ago
Reply to  tom j

hmm, what about Paul?

John Solomon
John Solomon
5 months ago

He was jewish — I admit that the first thing that springs to mind abou him is ‘Roman citizen’ but that is a political status, not an ethnicity.

Simon S
Simon S
5 months ago
Reply to  Milton Gibbon

It was at that point I had to ask myself if I was reading yet another brilliantly and passionately written diatribe, or a parody.

andy young
andy young
5 months ago
Reply to  Milton Gibbon

Absolutely! I was going to comment something similar; like it or not, it was the Jewish establishment who wanted rid of Jesus, the Romans just wanted an administratively easy ride. I don’t think this has led to condemnation of Jews in general though, as we all know the unfortunate characteristic of all large scale, authoritarian bureaucratic religions is that they will brook no dissent.
Dostoevsky wrote a marvellous parable about the fate of a risen Christ as a story contained within The Brothers Karamazov (The Grand Inquisitor).

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Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  andy young

The causes of anti-Judaism (and indirectly of modern anti-Semitism) are many: economic, political, theological and so on. But I draw your attention to a psychological one that might well underlie some of the others.
Jews have no need theological to explain the rise of Christianity, but Christians do have a theological need to explain not only the origin of Christianity within Judaism but also the survival of Jewish communities within Christendom.
Christians have claimed since they gained state power under Constantine not only that Jesus was the Messiah but also that his church was the new Israel, the new Chosen People. To some Christians (though not all), this meant that Christianity had replaced Judaism. Worse, for rejecting Christ’s sacrificial atonement on the Cross, Jews had been cursed to live in exile and at the mercy of Christians. No one needed to be a theologian, much less a sociologist, to see that Jews were a politically fragile minority.
And yet, the Jews continued to exist in spite of everything and therefore cast doubt on the ultimate victory of Christianity and therefore on the hope for Christian salvation (and the efficacy of Christian sacraments). I think that this lingering uncertainty, more than any passage in the gospels, is what many Christians found so disturbing or threatening. This is why bishops, especially in late medieval Spain, often forced rabbis into public “disputations” (which were disasters for local Jews whether their rabbis won or lost) to prove over and over again that, yes, Christians were right and Jews wrong.

Tony Taylor
Tony Taylor
5 months ago

It would appear that the Jews, like everyone else, have their politics shaped young-ish and then continue to support their side no matter what.
Here’s a tweet I read on the weekend:

There are few reasons why the left don’t lie in political campaigning:

*They rely on evidence and expertise to inform positions.

*The left has a moral compass.

*Lies are only needed if your argument is weak to begin with.

The reverse of these are the reasons the right do lie.

Quite mad, of course. But symbolic of my firmest held opinion on politics: Politics is sport, it all depends who you barrack for.

0 0
0 0
5 months ago
Reply to  Tony Taylor

All “hooray for my side.”

Alan Girling
Alan Girling
5 months ago
Reply to  Tony Taylor

I note that claim is mirrored exactly on both sides. The left lies all the time, the right lies all the time. There may be some truth in that, but for me, the difference is that the left’s lies go right to the ground. Everything they believe is founded on lies. That’s not the case on the right. There may be lots of liars, but there’s way more truth underneath it all.

Rob Britton
Rob Britton
5 months ago

1300 jews were slaughtered last week in a country with a population of 9 million. That is a kill rate of 144 per million. For 9/11 to have had the same kill rate in USA, with a population of 330 million, 47,500 would have had to die. That fact illustrates the scale of the slaughter.

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D Walsh
D Walsh
5 months ago
Reply to  Rob Britton

Now run the numbers for Gaza

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
5 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

You mean the number of Gazans killed by Hamas? I don’t think they’re likely to be accurate.

michael harris
michael harris
5 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

You must run the Gaza numbers against the whole Israel hating Muslim population in the near East and North African Arab countries.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

The IDF spent a week telling the women, children and civilians to move – Hamas spend about 9 hours seeking them out to murder them. The again, check out how many of their rockets hit their own people. Even this week Egypt got bombed by Islamists in Africa aiming for Israel.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
5 months ago
Reply to  Rob Britton

By your logic, then, 1,300 Israelis are equivalent to 47,500 Americans, but only about 10,000 British citizens….or six Faro Islanders? In any case, by your own systemic reckoning, Israel has now killed in Gaza and the West Bank a number of civilians – perhaps 5,000 equivalent to about five times its own proportional losses. The Laws of Armed Conflict specifically allow for ‘proportionate’ reprisals. By any objective measure, Israel has already gone well past that.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

There’s no such thing as a ‘proportionate’ response in war.

Russell Sharpe
Russell Sharpe
5 months ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

Maybe Peter Joy thinks that ‘proportionality’ required Israel to sent a squad of psychopaths into Gaza to butcher 1400+ innocent civilians, men women and children.
Anyone who thinks that there is any comparison to be made between the deliberate targeting of civilians for butchery, and the unintended civilian casualties which are the inevitable concomitant of armed conflict between state actors, is either cretinous themselves, or is just parroting a line they hope will convince the cognitively and ethically challenged, in the pursuance of another Jewish genocide.
No, ‘proportionalityÂŽ in this case evidently requires the extirpation of Hamas from the planet, including as many of its operatives and functionaries as possible. It, and no-one else, is responsible for all the civilian casualties in Gaza. It issued a death sentence on them almost when it perpetrated the horrors of Oct 7th. It knew this very well. It is rubbing its hands at the prospective photo-opportunities that will be provided to it by a servile and anti-semitic Western media. Haven’t they said often enough that they love death?

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UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Russell Sharpe

I notice that there is little outrage that Jordan and Egypt both fail to allow women and children ‘refugees’ from Gaza into their war free lands. Ironically Jordan was supposed to have been part of Israel until the British sliced and diced the land to the point Israel got a rump. Jordan is where ‘Palestinians’ were to form their own state. Jordan ended up fighting them, Lebanon too fought them, and Egypt. The only time the Islamic world is in favour of Palestinians seems to be either their leaders in very small numbers in their lands but in large numbers on Israel’s borders or massacaring Israeli civilians.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

By your logic, the allies should have never bombed German cities killing many millions. Most of Germany was flatted, old and young were killed in firebombs and legions of women raped. It was biblical, an eye for an eye, no mercy
 Was it justified, probably yes, because Germany under Hitler started the unbelievable bloodshed.
NĂŒrnberg trials happened afterwards, but not many ask nowadays, if all the innocent lives lost were proportional or justified. But at least afterwards Europe had a long lasting peaceful period and most historians agree, that the bloodshed in Germany was justified.
Will the coming Middle Eastern war and destruction end in a new lasting peace process? I am pretty pessimistic.
But Israel can‘t walk away with over a thousand people butchered in the most horrific way. Should they just give up and pack up and hand their country over to “Palestinian Refugees” (of 70 years!?) , who no country wants, least of all their Arab brothers, and who sheltered the terrorists? Nobody so far has given a satisfying answer. Seems none of the solutions, tried by Israel in accord with other nations, worked: Oslo Accord of a two state solution was in ruins as Arafat walked out, and now Abraham Accords seem to be put on ice for the foreseeable future


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Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

By the same logic the 1998 IRA/NORAID Omagh bomb would have killed approximately 5,800 US citizens.

Fraoch A
Fraoch A
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

I upticked yr comment but only increased the red figure.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Fraoch A

That is because this is a ‘web site’ ie lots of people can read it and tick at the same time, what you get is the ‘latest’ situation from the server, so IF you uptick, but 2 others downtick in the time span, the number goes 1 more into the red. Which is an interesting digression on reality. People can comment on world events like this yet not understand a simple bit of logic regarding web sites and computers.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

The Laws of Armed Conflict specifically allow for ‘proportionate’ reprisals.

OK, so how many Palestinian women should the IDF rape before executing them – each in front of their next victim? How many babies should they deliberately kill? What do you think is a ‘proportionate response’ to mass murder of this kind?

John Solomon
John Solomon
5 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

I think the sexual depravity of Hamas (grounded in Islam, of course) makes them particularly beneath contempt and undeserving of mercy.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

They didn’t target them, they even gave them a week to move out, AND so far the only hospital hit was a blue on blue by a Islamist rocket – though they even lie about that.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

In international law, “proportionate” doesn’t refer to numbers. It refers to the amount of force necessary to achieve a legitimate military goal, such as self-defense, but no more.

David McKee
David McKee
5 months ago

I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Mamet’s basic point, that antisemitism is rife in the West, and that this is intolerable.
However, things are not going to be helped if people like Mr. Mamet misunderstand Christianity. His quotation of John 8:44 is accurate. However, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees, not Jews in general (John 8:12), in a fractious debate that ended up with Jesus’ attempted murder (John 8:59). The Pharisees were a group of people who delighted in using Scripture to bolster their own privileged position in society, even if that made life a misery for everyone else.
If it comes to that, Jesus could be very scathing about non-Jews (Matthew 15:21-28). The ‘gentle Jesus, meek and mild’ caricature never existed.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  David McKee

Yes, David, but the interpretive context of these passages changed very quickly. Once the church consisted mainly of Romans instead of Jews (within the first century), passages that had been about arguments within the Jewish community were heard as arguments between “us” (Roman Christians) and “them” (Jews or Pharisees).

John Croteau
John Croteau
5 months ago

When will Jews (and all decent Democrats) learn that written and spoken words are not enough? The Democratic Party is NO LONGER your father’s party. Nor is the modern Republican Party his bogieman. People need to take this threat seriously or the Illiberal Left will spiral toward the same Final Solution that reared it’s head in Germany. If this isn’t a wake up call, then “Good Jews” will suffer the consequences.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
5 months ago

I very much enjoyed Mamet’s article, but his criticism of Christians quoting John 8:44 in the NT is misplaced and quoted out of context. Jesus had lots of philosophical arguments with Pharisees, especially about Jewish law, therefor they threatened to stone him and he actually had to flee. Also it is unhistorical, that Christians had anything to do with the destruction of Israel.

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N Satori
N Satori
5 months ago

Too much popular fretting about the morality of war – the post-Christian West’s fatal weakness (and for our mentally stunted broadcast MSM, the sole frame of reference).
Our enemies will have noticed our all too conspicuous eagerness to rush to the peace conference in search of some conscience-salving compromise. They could hardly have failed to notice our obsession with comparative levels of victimhood in the current war. Conspicuous too will be the narcissistic delusion of “Western moral leadership” that has taken hold of our cultural elite. [How’s that moral leadership looking after the ignominious abandonment of Afghanistan?]
If the once powerful West had any long-term strategy and any fighting spirit left we might realise this is a good time to seriously undermine Iran’s ability to wage jihad. Iran is a long-term enemy not only of Israel but of the West itself. But alas, our very own elites have not merely enabled Iran but put it on the threshold of becoming a deadly nuclear-armed state. A nuclear-armed Iran – now that will really have our elites clamouring for a peace conference! Just think what concessions the Mullah’s will be able to wring from us when they have those weapons to hand!

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
5 months ago
Reply to  N Satori

‘Our enemies’. ‘Our’. ‘Enemies.’ Yeh, deh hate our freedums’
‘We’ – from the taxpaying schmuck in a trailer park in Baton Rouge to the one on the bus in Carlisle – wouldn’t have any ‘enemies’ if our political leadership hadn’t spent the last five or six decades bombing, battering and subverting its way round the globe, making them.

Elizabeth Hamilton
Elizabeth Hamilton
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

if only the truth were that simple, Peter Joy.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

Ironic that your surname is “Joy.”

Rob N
Rob N
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

Some peoples just hate others even if they have never been badly treated.

Many Muslims hate us just because we, heretics, exist.

Christopher Darlington
Christopher Darlington
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

So true. The world’s bloodlust is truly something to behold.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  N Satori

According to Mr Schroeder yesterday (IIRC) the West/EU/US/UK/NATO ‘rushed’ away from peace in the Ukraine – when Zelensky was in favour of it.

R Wright
R Wright
5 months ago

“Christianity came into being with the destruction of the Jewish State — the adherents were Jews whose Temple and culture had been destroyed.”

This is a staggeringly dishonest account of the origins of Christianity, and entirely ignores the debate between Jewish Christians and gentiles that raged in the early church.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
5 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Staggeringly is a great description, but still falls short! I’m not sure there is a word that can capture this level of ignorance.

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
5 months ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Sure there’s a word: lying.

David Yetter
David Yetter
5 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Actually, what came into being with the destruction the Jewish State and with it the Temple, was modern rabbinic Judaism. The elaborate ritual and sacrificial cult was replaced at that point with the study of the Torah and commentaries on it. and it was soon after that the rabbis settled on a Babylonian text of the Scriptures now known as the Masorete as the authoritative version.
Christianity had been a going concern for over 40 years at that point: all of St. Paul’s missionary journeys took place before the destruction of the Temple, as did his and St. Peter’s martyrdom at Rome (c. 67AD). Bishops had succeeded the Apostles as chief hiearchs of major sees throughout the Empire (Simeon I succeeding St. James “the Just” also surnamed “the brother of the Lord” at Jerusalem, Evodius and Ignatius succeeding St. Peter at Antioch, Anianus succeeding St. Mark the Evangelist at Alexandria, Linus and Anacletus succeeding St. Peter at Rome) before the destruction of the Jewish state.

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Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  David Yetter

Your point is very well taken, David. But it would be more precise to say that rabbinic Judaism actually began much earlier, during the Babylonian exile. It was the early rabbis (known at various early stages as Pharisees or Scribes) who created the synagogue to replace (at least temporarily) the Temple in Jerusalem and turned the study of Torah into a non-cultic form of worship.

Samantha Stevens
Samantha Stevens
5 months ago

A very powerful piece, executed with precision and passion. This Christian stands with my Jewish brothers and sisters. My only request is that Mr. Mamet recognize that most Christians – not speaking of Evangelicals here – support Jews and the State of Israel, and that the passage from John which he quotes is Jesus talking specifically to the Pharisees, who do not represent all Jews. Jesus was a Jew after all, as were all of his disciples. Whatever religious differences Jews and Christians have, we share the same basic values that unite us. I hope Mr. Mamet will still welcome the love and support of good Christians. I thank him for this amazing essay, and for his plays and contributions to our culture.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
5 months ago

Evangelicals have been very supportive of Israel and many take it upon themselves to visit the country and donate to projects that protect holy sites.

D Walsh
D Walsh
5 months ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

And the clowns don’t seem to realise that Jews hate them

I can’t think of a more foolish group people on the planet than American Evangelicals

Elizabeth Hamilton
Elizabeth Hamilton
5 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

The Jews hate them? Not true, D Walsh, or not always true in any case. I recently discovered an organisation of Evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews working and praying together to defend Israel, they’ve even got a YouTube channel. I found them very cute which is possible, I guess, if you don’t feel threatened yourself by other people’s religions.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Try looking thinking about the left. 😉

Rob N
Rob N
5 months ago

Good to remember that we describe our culture as Judeo-Christian.

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Theodore Stegers
Theodore Stegers
5 months ago

In David Mamet’s film Homicide, Bobby Gold, a Jewish detective, the key character, remarks of the antisemitism he is being accused of: it’s being going on for 4000 years; we must be doing something wrong.
I don’t know whether 4000 years is accurate, but we can all agree that no population that is still with us has suffered anything like the persecution which the Jews have suffered and survived. And certainly not just survived. As the most persecuted population in history, the Jews are in the top decile of every group with which you would want to be associated.  
This is a very difficult truth for socialist/identity politicians to contend with given that victimhood is their basic sustenance. Jewish strength and success at every level – personal, family, community, state – contradict everything on which socialist/identity politicians rely for votes and motivation. The mystery which David Mamet addresses so clearly is why Jews still determinedly support Labour in the UK and the Democrats in the US.

Ira Perman
Ira Perman
5 months ago

What is the Democratic Party without Jewish money? I look forward to finding out.

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0 0
5 months ago
Reply to  Ira Perman

More to the point, where is the so-called “progressive movement” without Jewish money? If the latter dries up, so will the former.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Ira Perman

Chinese money.

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Ha!

Elizabeth Hamilton
Elizabeth Hamilton
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

And Saudi and Qatari and…

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

IF the rumours are true regarding their economy, they may not have as much as you think.

Margie Murphy
Margie Murphy
5 months ago

Jews don’t speak with one voice. They are very diverse in thought. Some deranged far left among their ranks to right and far right and everything in between. Even in Israel the woke and the seditious reside among them. Siding with the enemy. Many of whom came to a grisley end at the hands of those in whom they could see humanity that perhaps they shouldn’t have. Until Jews unite behind Israel, divorse the Democratic party and scream with one voice then maybe then they can be on the front foot and stop being polite. It really is existential for Israel.

Tyler Durden
Tyler Durden
5 months ago

All the horror has been brought into the light with these terrible events and we now see what a monstrous thing this party has evolved into over the last decade.

David Lindsay
David Lindsay
5 months ago

Between the Fall of the Temple and the foundation of modern Israel, there have been Jewish States in Judea (even if it did last only three or four years), in Yemen, repeatedly in Mesopotamia, and for 200 years in the Caucasus, and there may also have been one in Ethiopia.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lindsay

Sshhh! You’ll ruin the narrative

Russell Sharpe
Russell Sharpe
5 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Which narrative? The one which says that the Jews need a state to defend themselves in the face of their repeated experience, since the Fall of the Temple in AD 70, of being subject to massacre and pogrom at the whim of those whose lands they have inhabited since then?
How does the Himyarite Kingdom of Yemen, which converted to Judaism around AD 380 and existed for about a century and a half, the even shorter-lived Jewish kingdoms in Mesopotamia in the first century, or even the Khazar Khaganate, which adopted Judaism between the mid eighth and tenth centuries before succumbing to Muslim and Christian enemies, change or challenge any of that?
If there were any doubt about the need for a Jewish state, the sadistic butcheries of October 7 and the worldwide demonstrations of support for the butchers make that necessity amply clear. The only people who can object to it are those who cheerfully envisage a return to the situation when host populations could massacre Jews with impunity.

Alex Carnegie
Alex Carnegie
5 months ago
Reply to  Russell Sharpe

No one could disagree with your view that post 1945 it was imperative that the Jews were enabled to establish a Jewish state somewhere. It was unfortunate, however, that it was established in a region which was already fully occupied by others and prone to violent politics.

I have sometimes thought that the British government missed an opportunity in not providing sparsely inhabited Newfoundland as an alternative in the late 1940s. (At the time Newfoundland was under direct British rule). Although lacking the historical associations with the Israel of David, Herod, etc – and being as chilly as Poland in winter – one suspects the survivors of the camps would have found an even greater sense of security across the Atlantic than in the Middle East.

As it was the British policy of trying to prevent Jewish immigration to Palestine – in the absence of a better alternative – was as ineffective as it was unpopular. The last years of the British mandate created the fault lines that are still with us today.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex Carnegie

I see some validity in your retrospective musings about the location of the Jewish State. But that ship certainly sailed the Dead Sea long ago, so to speak, and the “tribal” desire to return to their ancestral homeland is understandable at a minimum.
I admit I’m no expert on history, North American or otherwise, but as a Canada-born dual citizen I had to check on your Newfoundland claims and don’t think your characterization of its mid-20th century status is accurate. I understand that it had de jure commonwealth dominion status with de facto near-total self-government.
Also: Do you suppose the inhabitants of a sparsely populated but far from empty Newfoundland would have accepted this move, even if a weakened late-Imperial hand had ordered it? And how would that have gone over with the conquered remnants of Native tribes?
Rather easier, in theory, to place an entire people far away from your Atlantic shores, at a seemingly safe distance, which must be part of why the Middle East seemed to be a comparably good place for the world to “put the Jews”: “Enjoy this bountiful desert–and please stay out of Europe, Australia, and the Americas”.
In truth, nothing massive, protracted, and horrible–like religious and ethnic bigotry–fails to escape its borders at last, at least from time to time.

Alex Carnegie
Alex Carnegie
5 months ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Newfoundland was a separate self governing colony and then “Dominion” from 1834 to 1933 but then went bust during the Great Depression and was ruled 1933-48 by a British appointed Commission. It then chose in a referendum to be absorbed by Canada.

How much the 250,000 odd Newfoundlanders would have objected is moot. Jewish immigration might have led to prosperity. The Beothuk, the main native tribe, died out in the nineteenth century.

Obviously, this is just a bit of ancient history otherwise useful only in a general knowledge quizz. I was using it to make a different point.

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AJ Mac
AJ Mac
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex Carnegie

To claim that it’s “moot” seems either arrogant or dismissive to me. As a Canadian citizen, I continue to challenge your round assertions about the true operational status of Newfoundland. You’re providing footnotes, not a complete case. Maybe you’re closer to right than I’m inclined to allow, but I’ve not been shown so.
Perhaps the Jews should have been re-located en masse to the Isles of Man or Wight, where the locals–their moot reactions notwithstanding–could have learned to celebrate the influx of prosperity occasioned by a huge immigrant wave.

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Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Welcome back, AJ.
Or what about Germany itself in the region of, say, Baden Baden? Great. They could have renamed it Bagel Bagel. But I doubt that many Germans would have welcomed them, not even those who felt guilty after the war. And I hardly think that Jews themselves would have welcomed the idea of going back either to Germany or to any country that had been either indifferent or hostile toward them during the war.
Anyway, do you really imagine that plopping people down in alien environments, almost at random, could be a durable solution?

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AJ Mac
AJ Mac
5 months ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Thanks, Paul. “Bagel Bagel”…haha!

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex Carnegie

Yes, I’ve always thought it was a huge mistake and was, obviously, the cause of what’s happening now.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

Not just for the sake of pivoting from a too-recent to a overwhelmingly long view of cause, but I think we’d do well to examine the cause(s) of what’s happening now on a longer timeline, one extended by centuries or millennia.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex Carnegie

It was in lands that were part of the now defunct Ottoman Empire, AND which had been discussing how those lands should be split into new ‘Nation States’ since WW1. The original size of Israel was far larger than anything they have now or even conquered. Jordan is where the Palestinians were to live, but even Jordan fought with the ones who went there, eventually they evicted them forcibly.

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Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex Carnegie

That part of the Middle East was never “fully occupied” by any one group. For hundreds of years, first under the Ottoman Empire and then under the British mandate, there were Turks, Arabs (including the Bedouin, who were nomadic) and Jews.

ted dixon
ted dixon
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lindsay

Could you elaborate on this please?

David Lindsay
David Lindsay
5 months ago
Reply to  ted dixon

The Bar Kokhba revolt in the Judea of the 130s, the Himyarite Kingdom in Yemen from 390 to 525, Adiabene until 379, Al-Mada’in from 495 until 502, Khazaria from 750 to 950, and possibly Simien, behind the stories of which there was clearly something, anyway.

Alex Carnegie
Alex Carnegie
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lindsay

Especially, the ninth century Khazar empire which covered modern Ukraine and a large chunk of Russia and ruled umpteen millions. In fact there were a series of “beauty parades” by various steppe states in this period in which Christian, Jewish and Muslim envoys were interrogated about their religions as each group abandoned paganism and made a choice between the “civilised” religions. The Khazars went for Judaism, the Volga Bulgars for Islam and the Viking rulers of Kiev adopted Orthodox Christianity. Since the latter ended up on top and founded Russia, Eastern Europe became Christian – but it could easily have gone the other way and “Russia” ended up forever Jewish.

R Wright
R Wright
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lindsay

Don’t forget the Ugandan Jews. A very interesting story there.

John Croteau
John Croteau
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lindsay

Oh, that changes everything….

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lindsay

“Every cloud has a silver lining”.

The sack of both the Temple and Jerusalem ‘paid for’ the construction of the Colosseum, perhaps the most awesome building ever constructed.
The Roman Emperor Vespasian had an inscription recording this fact affixed to the exterior of the edifice in bronze letters.*

(*Long since looted by Papal banditti and others.)

Mark Gourley
Mark Gourley
5 months ago

Don’t you mean the Flavian Amphitheatre? Quite true but please give it the correct title.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
5 months ago
Reply to  Mark Gourley

Yes I do mean the Flavian Amphitheater but I suspect most UnHerd readers would be more familiar with the name Colosseum don’t you?

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Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago

It usually goes right over my head.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lindsay

Are they still around? IF not, why not, what happened to them?

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
5 months ago

One plays the Victim card whenever one can. That’s because, as the woke have it, Victims are automatically virtuous and are entitled to do whatever they want as they resist their Oppressors. BLM can burn down half of a city, Hamas can burn babies, … and Israel no doubt will now feel even freer to continue building settlements in the West Bank. Victimhood is a sort of blank cheque and both Hamas and Israel want to cash it. After the Hamassacre, Israel really does have Victimhood tho, and will cash the cheque — but that’s exactly what Hamas wants, because as Gaza is systematically leveled, and the bodies pile up, it will be Hamas that, increasingly, gets the blank cheque. Clever little buggers, aren’t they?

Lindsey Thornton
Lindsey Thornton
5 months ago

David Mamet: “Christianity came into being with the destruction of the Jewish State — the adherents were Jews whose Temple and culture had been destroyed. Every new religion, in its foundation myths, slanders its parent faith.” I agree. Christianity saw itself as a replacement religion, to supersede and ultimately displace Judaism from existence; the church therefore has some responsibility for the Holocaust. “The murder of six million Jews by baptized Christians, from whom membership in good standing was not (and has not been) withdrawn, raises the most insistent question about the credibility of Christianity”; a quote from Littell, F.H. (1975), The Crucifixion of the Jews: The Failure of Christians to Understand the Jewish Experience, New York: Harper and Row. It didn’t go unnoticed that the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, retweeted the false BBC News report ‘Hundreds feared dead or injured in Israeli air strike on hospital in Gaza, Palestinian officials say’ on 17 October, adding his own response with the words ‘May the Lord God have mercy’. Shame on him.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago

Not so much a replacement as an evolution. You’ll notice the Old Testament (which includes the first five chapters of the Torah) are included in every King James bible.

Guillermo Torres
Guillermo Torres
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Right, and Mormons are another “evolution” by that logic.

Lindsey Thornton
Lindsey Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

… the ‘Old’ Testament rather suggests it’s had its day, words matter.

P N
P N
5 months ago

Why anyone would vote for the Democrats mystifies me. Turkeys often vote for Christmas; look at the Queers for Palestine support group.
“Afterwards, we find the Christian libel that the Jews killed Christ…” It’s not really a libel is it?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
5 months ago
Reply to  P N

Off course it is NOT a libel, or are the Gospels just making it all up?

The Jewish religious mafia, otherwise known as the Sanhedrin wanted rid of JC because he was viewed, not without some cause, as a pestilential menace.

The Roman Prefect, one Pontius Pilate, the only man with capital powers, does not appear to have been convinced, but eventually acquiesced for the sake of good order and civil discipline. He was however decent enough to have JC crucified after lunch on a Friday.
This ensured only a few hours of writhing and squealing on the Cross rather than the normal few days. Sadly Pilate’s humanity is always ignored.

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
5 months ago

“This ensured only a few hours of writhing and squealing on the Cross rather than the normal few days.”
Please explain.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
5 months ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

Under Jewish Religious Law it was NOT ‘Kosher’ to have dead or dying bodies dangling from crosses on the Sabbath, which technically started at sunset on Friday.Therefore JC had to be finished off before sunset, hence the broken legs and Lance in the side for good measure. Also very unusually, and if the Gospels are to be believed,Pilate allowed the body to be buried.

Normally a fit man or woman could survive on a cross for about three days, and they were then rarely buried but allowed to disintegrate and consumed by the local wildlife.

Thus Pilate might well have had JC ‘nailed up’ on say Sunday, to endure excruciating pain, plus assaults by voracious carrion birds until say Wednesday, before the process of disintegrating began.

So all in all a rather benign and unusual crucifixion for which poor old Pilate has received no thanks at all.

More tea Vicar?

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M V
M V
5 months ago

He wasn’t crucified after lunch. He was hung on the cross at nine in the morning (Luke 15:25, “the third hour” is nine o’clock in our time).
His legs weren’t broken, either, because he was already dead (John 19:33).

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
5 months ago
Reply to  M V

Thank you for those ‘technical’ details.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago

Here’s another technical detail. Pilate was recalled to Rome for brutality.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  M V

Can’t you break the legs of a dead person?

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

You can, but why bother?

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  M V

A lance was also thrust into his side just to make sure.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago

Most readable!

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

But is it accurate? 😉 Certainly in view of what the Jesuits explained to me and fellow pupils in many a ‘retreat’ during our years in a Jesuit college, ‘Screaming’ would not have been an ‘easy’ option. See my earlier post as to why. Grunting and gasping – more likely.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago

Given my understanding of crucifixion, ‘squealing’ would have been very difficult, as it needed breathing, and that was, in the accounts I read/had explained by Jesuits, extremely hard to achieve when nailed in the manner described.

John Solomon
John Solomon
5 months ago

Is it inappropriate to say that Pilate’s caving in to the mob for the sake of good order is prescient of the Met’s pandering to the muslims?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
5 months ago
Reply to  John Solomon

Almost identical I would say.

Lindsey Thornton
Lindsey Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  John Solomon

Yes, Jews are being crucified again.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
5 months ago

Agree that clarity here doesn’t fall victim to style. It’s a well put together piece.

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Judy Englander
Judy Englander
5 months ago
Reply to  Dumetrius

That is because his heart is in it.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
5 months ago
Reply to  Judy Englander

But not his head.

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Nona Yubiz
Nona Yubiz
5 months ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

His head is suffering from early onset dementia, I believe.

Peter Samson
Peter Samson
5 months ago

It’s a shame to see a brilliant playwright like David Mamet fall in to such self-pity. The idea that American Jews are some beleaguered minority kept “in the Outer Office” by the Democratic party is fantastical, as is the contention that Westerners who do not fully support the position of Benjamin Netanyahu seek the elimination of all Jews. The conflict between Israel and Palestinians is as complex as it as tragic. There are no simple answers.
And it’s Stephen Wise, not Weiss.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago
Reply to  Peter Samson

Exactly.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
5 months ago

This reminds me of the arguments African Americans make about their history to stifle debate around race. I am not saying Mamet is wrong. Jewish history and African American history are horrific examples of man’s inhumanity to man.
But the people who write columns like this are not interested in shedding light on the problem at hand. We already know the history. They want to shut us up. It is all one huge guilt trip. Mamet doesn’t want anyone to criticize Israel.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that the world would be better off without. The problem at hand is how far Israel should go to eliminate them.
But what happened on Oct 7th was a huge clusterf**k caused by Benjamin Netanyahu. His policies strengthened Hamas and even helped fund their terrorist activities. His West Bank policies caused the UDF to move troops from the Hamas/Israeli border to the West Bank on the weekend of Hamas’s murderous attack to protect settlers who were unilaterally taking Palestinian land. His attempts to change the constitution roiled the country and the army.
But Mamet doesn’t want to engage on these points, so he uses history to browbeat critics of the Israeli government.

Mark Carpenter
Mark Carpenter
5 months ago

This headline is wrong and offensive. He is talking about progressives. I am a Bill Clinton democrat. Democrats did not betray the Jews. Southern and Center democrats are mostly moderate and dont have much say in anything anymore. NYT and Wapo are leading democratic papers and they have been pushing the Culture War, against the wishes of most democrats in America. The past 7 years, NYT helped elevate the spoiler Bernie Sanders, BLM, MeToo, Trans ideology and all the DEI stuff. They did not even bother to interview J K Rowling or any detrans people or any of the scientists being cancelled.
The dems used to be FDR, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, working class, not anymore. Now Dems of all races in the South, Central and rural areas are moving rightward, as documented by Ruy Teixeira. NYT progressives betrayed us with their stupidly divisive Culture War.
David Mamet may be angry but attacking my democratic party because of what some stupid progressives say and accusing us all of being antisemitic is not right. Northern and coastal elite are habitually calling Middle America racist misogynist, homophobic, transphobic. Now we’re all antisemitic, too. This is so divisive.

Samantha Stevens
Samantha Stevens
5 months ago
Reply to  Mark Carpenter

I agree with much of what you wrote, but find one Democrat who will defend women’s rights to single sex spaces or rights in sports. There are none. I’ve been a Democrat all my life, but because of the men’s rights movement known as transwomen rights, I have no party. Seemingly, no party cares about women.

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Mark Carpenter
Mark Carpenter
5 months ago

Nah, that came out of identity politics, taught for decades in sociology departments where men are a clear minority. Judith Butler’s world is not really part of the mens rights movement, which is pretty tiny compared to the feminist movement. Most men think trans ideology is BS. Very surprising to me the way so many college women support it.
Most democrats dislike trans ideology, but we have no voice. NYT and Wapo only print positive comments and pro trans stories. Same as Reddit. Most of the people who speak up get marginalized as right wing, even if they used to be left. Bill Clinton dems are turning red. What you are seeing is a dangerously activist left wing forcing censorship and cultural control onto our social institutions. Very difficult for individuals to defend against this. Most dems across the country are right with Chappelle and Rowling but NYT has been pretending otherwise. NYT is full on Ivy League DEi progressive now. They arent allowed to admit anything negative about trans ideology.
Biden is East coast elite version of a moderate democrat. He gives progressives whatever they want. He does not represent dems nationally very well at all.

Samantha Stevens
Samantha Stevens
5 months ago
Reply to  Mark Carpenter

I meant that it’s a men’s rights movement because the trans movement is about fetishist men in women’s clothing who want to usurp women’s rights and spaces.

Mark Carpenter
Mark Carpenter
5 months ago

Kind of an insult to blame trans activist trans women on men’s rights groups. The idea of gender as a social constructs came out of fe_minism. Men mostly thinks its just wrong and weird. Can’t blame men for everything.
You are asking for democrat politicians who stand up to progressive idiocy but don’t seem to realize the nature of moderate democrats. We aren’t like coastal blue progressives from safe districts. Moderates have to be pragmatic in order to win elections. It used to be that nyt was also fairly moderate, but not anymore. They refuse to print any detransition stories, and they havent questioned gender affirming care nearly enough. This just leaves all of us hanging. Why would any smart Pol risk the jk Rowling treatment? So NYT is the biggest democratic media and it seems like it’s Jewish owned and run. Who is betraying who?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
5 months ago

“There are none”, here’s one. Or did you just mean politicians?

Samantha Stevens
Samantha Stevens
5 months ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

I meant politicians. I am a registered Democrat. But thinking of switching to Independent. So disheartened, and this recent anti-Semitism may have done me in.

Mark Carpenter
Mark Carpenter
5 months ago

This is tough for a southern moderate dem like me. We blame nyt progressives for taking over the democratic party. They destroyed it with some weird identity politics out of the ivy leagues. And super-spoiler Bernie Sanders. There aren’t any southern candidates anymore because east coast doesn’t like us. Nyt has canceled Bill Clinton, lower cased whites and called Rachel Levine the first female admiral. That’s progressives not democrats.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
5 months ago
Reply to  Mark Carpenter

I’d like to be more sympathetic to you than I am. But I’m not, because complaining about those “other” Democrats isn’t good enough. If that’s your party and you want to stay in that party, then it’s surely your responsibility improve it from within. If you can’t do something–and I doubt that you can–you should go somewhere else.

Mark Carpenter
Mark Carpenter
5 months ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

I really do not like a headline that calls us all anti-semitic. That is offensive.
Best I can do is point out the Bubble that coastal dems are in. Read Ruy Teixeira. In the internet age, the NYT became a monopoly. There are not any nationally read papers in South or Center.
Bernie Sanders ran as a socialist not a democrat.
Note: I edited out last couple of sentences and two links because repeat of what I posted above.

Last edited 5 months ago by Mark Carpenter
Katja Sipple
Katja Sipple
5 months ago